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Is Using The Aneros A Sin?
  • Smoothboy mentioned about feeling no guilt in using the Aneros, Truth Is I do feel guilty about using the aneros, I'm a very recent born again christian and it is considered a sin to masturbate, however I find it very addictive, I know we all sin but that doesnt give me the right to think I can sin all I want because God will forgive me, I feel it is my duty to try and beat my addictiveness to the aneros, porn and my nasty smoking habbit, I guess I'm just curious how many people here really believe in Jesus and If they do, Are you ok with using the aneros?
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    Since you have given your life to Jesus, everything about your life is His. Your Aneros, your sexuality, your affections your lungs; everything. You have not entered into a code of conduct, but into a living relationship. It appears that He has clearly shown you a direction with regard to this - take it. You have also been born into a family and this family is also a family of relationship. In this relationship, calling your new brothers (or sisters) out over the web is something that doesn't work well (but it is forgiven). Jesus takes anyone, and we come as we are and trust Him for the rest. You will see as He continues His work in you that there are many things you will be led to eliminate or alter. Be faithful to those and you will grow. The highest value you are being moved toward is an all-encompassing, sacrificicial love. As you continue, you will be increasingly humbled by the distance between His kind of love and the best you will be able to display. Don't be discouraged; humilty is a great attribute. He will be the one to bring it to completion either through your going to Him, or His coming for us. If you are still visiting this sight to witness this response, I counsel you as a brother to stop. It will not help you lay this activity aside. Welcome.
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    Oh cut the bullshit! If your life is given to "Jesus" then don't use it. If you should feel so "ashamed" when you use it then don't. I don't mean to sound so shrude and rude, but cut the bullshit already! Obviously I'm not a man of faith, but a man of science.

    Techincally, if you believe in that thing called the bible, then you are doomed to an eternity of pain and suffering and burning and torture for even THINKING of purchasing an Aneros, but now that you have, you're pretty much FUCKED! Have fun burning in hell...lmfao!!!!

    Sorry, but this Southern Comfort makes me a dick...lol...lol
  • d_fault
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    I somewhat agree with Kramer's statement, We are all here ONCE, If you choose to go through the short existance we have here, living by someone's else's rules from a book, re-written so many times, interpretated in so many ways, how anyone can give their life to a "mostly" fictional person?
    Do this, believe in yourself, better yourself..do things FOR YOURSELF!! Because nobody is going to hand it to you, nor does the being or entity that was responsible for our creation send out special overnight Fedex packages to those in need.
    That thing between your ears is very very powerful, pratice using it, get good at it, usually good comes from this.

    -art

    p.s. I have to laugh, I have a friend that is very religious, she's always smacking me on the cheek if I'm over their place if so much as the word "Damn" pops out. So I put her on the spot one day and asked her, well If 'Jesus" was such an important figure in our time, then where is he buried? Where is the Grave? If he was Cremated, where are the ashes? I'd think someone so "magical" at the time would get quite a burial, hell... the egyptians built PYRAMIDS for their KINGS... you smell what I'm stepping in??

    Go snort some holy water...
  • Lincoln
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    Frankly, I am thankful that someone here has broken the ice on this topic. I would also say that even though I am an owner and user of an aneros device, I am also a believer in Jesus Christ.

    This topic is one that some folks take very seriously, and I would like to appeal to kramer and d_fault to consider respecting those who may have thoughts as the ones reddevil1999 has had. I cannot think of any logical reason that this should not be debated.

    Having said that, I have some slight suspicions that began with the second post (it's so full of what I call "Jesus-speak" (no disrespect intended) that I wonder how the "brother" found his way here). The suspicion has migrated back to the first. Regardless, I still hold this to be a valid discussion.

    Even with my extensive religious knowledge and background, I am able to locate exactly one place in the Bible that may or may not deal with masterbation. I won't bore the forum with the details unless requested. The topic of self-pleasuring, unlike homosexuality and the prohibition therof, is nowhere to be found in the Pentateuch - or the first five book of the Bible where Old Testament law is spelled out.

    I have to date chosen to look at the subject in this manner. One of the Bible's main themes - believe it or not - is moderation. If you look for it, you will find it over and over again. Moderation in everything in life. If my practice of anything from eating to aneros-using gets out of control, I am in violation of a Biblical concept.

    For example, if I am using this device or soloing so much at night that I am too tired to be a good father to my family, or that I begin to dwell on these sensations so much that I fail to seize opportunities to help folks in the the community who need help, or if I am so horny constantly that I find myself trolling constantly for sexual companions, it is a problem.

    Perhaps the use thereof is not directly that, but the end result is since it is an addiction.

    I have conversed with BF about this in the past as I felt I saw a potential issue, and he, of course, urged as with anything, moderation.

    If reddevil1999 is for real (that is - he isn't a ficticious plant in the forum along with his "guest" followup), and this bothers him in his new life (which, by the way, I am thrilled for him), the smart and right thing is for him to leave it till he sees differently or for good - whichever he decides.

    I have not come to that point, but if I came across something new to convince me otherwise, would do the same thing.

    To all you non-religious types in the forum, thank you for reading. Please don't feel Bible-thumped by my comments as no thumping was intended!


  • Originally Posted By: reddevil1999
    Smoothboy mentioned about feeling no guilt in using the Aneros, Truth Is I do feel guilty about using the aneros, I'm a very recent born again christian and it is considered a sin to masturbate, however I find it very addictive, I know we all sin but that doesnt give me the right to think I can sin all I want because God will forgive me, I feel it is my duty to try and beat my addictiveness to the aneros, porn and my nasty smoking habbit, I guess I'm just curious how many people here really believe in Jesus and If they do, Are you ok with using the aneros?


    Out of Aneros, porn and smoking, you should probably focus on quitting your smoking habit (it's the only one of the above that can kill you). As for the Aneros, you're massaging your prostate... a wise thing to do for the health benefits, let alone the fact it feels so good. Think of it in terms of getting a massage - you don't feel bad about a backrub, right? It IS a massage, isn't it? So I wonder if it really can be considered "masturbation" in the traditional sense? Is the prostate considered part of the human genitalia? Any thoughts on this?
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    Hi Lincoln, I am the second reply. Sorry if my communication was in "Jesus-speak". I have my own triggers for that term and try to stay away from them. I was only relating my thoughts based on what I have experienced or feel I've learned. I called him a brother because I took his profession of belief at face value and that would make him "family" at those he directed his question to, brothers and sisters - nothing real fancy. It was meant to be to him - even though I know it is seen by everyone. I saw his zeal and was hoping to redirect it a bit, that's all. To me the point for him was not whether or not others are ok with their use of Aneros; the point was that he is feeling like he shouldn't - a feeling I wouldn't want to inerpret for him.
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    Originally Posted By: Guest
    Hi Lincoln, I am the second reply. Sorry if my communication was in "Jesus-speak". I have my own triggers for that term and try to stay away from them. I was only relating my thoughts based on what I have experienced or feel I've learned. I called him a brother because I took his profession of belief at face value and that would make him "family" at those he directed his question to, brothers and sisters - nothing real fancy. It was meant to be to him - even though I know it is seen by everyone. I saw his zeal and was hoping to redirect it a bit, that's all. To me the point for him was not whether or not others are ok with their use of Aneros; the point was that he is feeling like he shouldn't - a feeling I wouldn't want to inerpret for him.


    Hi Lincoln, I am the second reply. Sorry if my communication was in "Jesus-speak". I have my own triggers for that term and try to stay away from them. I was only relating my thoughts based on what I have experienced or feel I've learned. I called him a brother because I took his profession of belief at face value and that would make him "family" at those he directed his question to, brothers and sisters - nothing real fancy. It was meant to be to him - even though I know it is seen by everyone. I saw his zeal and was hoping to redirect it a bit, that's all. To me the point for him was not whether or not others are ok with their use of Aneros; the point was that he is feeling like he shouldn't - a feeling I wouldn't want to inerpret for him.
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    Originally Posted By: d_fault
    I somewhat agree with Kramer's statement, We are all here ONCE, If you choose to go through the short existance we have here, living by someone's else's rules from a book, re-written so many times, interpretated in so many ways, how anyone can give their life to a "mostly" fictional person?

    Well this is mostly a non-starter, because the believer in Jesus would agree with you, that it is strange to give your life to a mostly fictional person.

    p.s. I have to laugh, I have a friend that is very religious, she's always smacking me on the cheek if I'm over their place if so much as the word "Damn" pops out. So I put her on the spot one day and asked her, well If 'Jesus" was such an important figure in our time, then where is he buried? Where is the Grave? If he was Cremated, where are the ashes? I'd think someone so "magical" at the time would get quite a burial, hell... the egyptians built PYRAMIDS for their KINGS... you smell what I'm stepping in??[/EndQuote]

    Yeah, you're stepping in your own constructed idiocy.

    Jesus isn't buried anywhere. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If he was, in fact, buried somewhere, there wouldn't be Christianity, or that movie with the albino monk.

    Go snort some holy water...


    Yeah, you're stepping in your own constructed idiocy.

    Jesus isn't buried anywhere. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If he was, in fact, buried somewhere, there wouldn't be Christianity, or that movie with the albino monk.

    As for Jesus/aneros, if you make the aneros into a god/idol, sure that would be sinful. If it's a recreational activity, like playing the Gamebox or whatever it's called, no biggie. Jesus didn't say anything about masturbation or prostate massage.
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    Sorry about how I posted the above post, I guess it's the 2nd half that ought to be read.
  • Ok I had an Aneros session last night, I realised it wasnt the Aneros I was ashamed of, It was the porn that was turning me on, Today I deleted all 200GB's of it! It was hard, I realised I was addicted and having just read Lincoln's post I think you are sooo right! moderation is important, I use the Aneros every day, 2 or 3 "propper" sessions, and the rest for just a normal masturbation session, Now that I have deleted the porn maybe I will now stick to just having 2 or 3 "proper" aneros sessions a week, without the porn.

    I'm sorry to the members If it sounded like I was judging you, I have no right to and it wasnt my intention, I needed help, all your comments have helped! Thank you.

    Lincoln, I will share with you how I became a Christian, I have always believed in God, but never thought about him, never believed he helps me etc. Last week I was on the CrimeLibrary website reading about the Columbine School Massarce, It explained about the first victim, Rachel Joy Scott, Her killer asked her "Do you believe in god?" her responce was "You know I do" He then ended her life, It really hit me and felt the need to find out about her, i bought a book called "Rachel's Tears" It features her Journals and I found it amazing of the relationship she had with Jesus, It really was unique, The book explained how she died, I got really angry, and then all the sudden, I know it sounds weird, but I'm sure I felt Jesus, He reassured me she's ok, she's with him in heaven, My anger dissapeared completely, I then cried my eyes out lol, But In her journals it seemed like she knew she was going to die young, exactly 1 year before she died she put in her Journal "Lord, I have gotten what I can, Thank You" But since reading it I feel great, you see my life sucks, but suddenly I feel great, I walked the talk a bit a little and told my work collegues, they mainly laughed which didnt really bother me but It turns out one of my friend's does, and we have been talking out The Bible a lot, (I bought a bible yesterday) and have started writing down what I am thinking about

    I really recommend you get the book

    Cheers
  • Lincoln
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    To reddevil1999-

    Congratulations on your newfound faith. LOL - I find this a really strange place to be saying this - like two fully clothed people walking a stretch of nudist beach!

    To give you a bit of history, my dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer and had his removed. His physician pointed his finger at me while I was visiting Dad in the hospital and told me to get my PSA tested at my next physical.

    Naturally, I began researching prostate cancer on the internet, one thing led to another, and I found aneros. I was fascinated by this forum and thought at first it must be some concoction of the company to boost sales. As I read, I began to realize that no one could make up all the misspellings and poor grammar I was sifting through! I ended up purchasing the Helix, and though I have had ebbs and flows in the success, it does indeed tap a pleasure nerve I've never experienced anywhere else.

    I went though the same process you are going through. I have strong beliefs based on the clear teachings of scripture. I don't agree with some of the things I read in some of these posts, but I am merely a fellow amongst many here - no more and no less, and have not seen that it would be effective to scream from the rooftops what sinners everyone is!!

    Though I fear there are some highly addicted people here whose lives are possibly out of control, I haven't found a way to do anything about it. As you saw quickly, some become quite vitriolic should the question even be raised.

    To get to the point, Aneros falls into a weird category, because though it can be easily coupled with lust (the porn), that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. I am not tempted to be with a man sexually, so I am not violating anything there. I have read in this very forum and agree with the posters that this can be a self-standing solo pleasure.

    Now, having said that, I am sensitive to your self-admitted addiction to pornography. Be very careful and true to yourself that you get far enough away from that not to fall back into the addiction. It may be wise to stow the aneros for a time - or if you find it hurting your relationship with God - for good. Only you can decide that.

    If you haven't found the place in the New Testament about the apostle Paul and his behavior toward young Believers in the early church, I would recommend you check that out. I ask you to consider what road you choose to go down based on what is best for you - not just because another believer seems to be able to enjoy this activity. I wish you the best however you decide.

    Finally, my standard caveat to those non-religious types who have wandered into more than they bargained for - no two people will agree on everything. Sure, I disagree, as I stated, with some behaviors I see alluded to in this forum. Does that mean I think I am better than those people? Yeah right.

    No way. It's just where I am in my life from what I have come to believe. I enjoy reading the experiences and learning from the people here - from whatever port they hail.

    Thanks guys.
  • Lincoln
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    Originally Posted By: Guest
    Hi Lincoln, I am the second reply. Sorry if my communication was in \"Jesus-speak\". I have my own triggers for that term and try to stay away from them. I was only relating my thoughts based on what I have experienced or feel I've learned. I called him a brother because I took his profession of belief at face value and that would make him \"family\" at those he directed his question to, brothers and sisters - nothing real fancy. It was meant to be to him - even though I know it is seen by everyone. I saw his zeal and was hoping to redirect it a bit, that's all. To me the point for him was not whether or not others are ok with their use of Aneros; the point was that he is feeling like he shouldn't - a feeling I wouldn't want to inerpret for him.


    Please forgive my delayed response.

    Admittedly, this is a strange forum for this type of discourse! However, after "translating" (a good-natured jab) what you are saying - I think we are roughly on the same page.

    I am curious, though, what brings you to this obscure corner of the internet?

    (my story of how I found this place is posted somewhere in this thread)
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    Everyone should remember that this is a worldwide forum and that Christianity is far from the only religion on this planet. Plus there are many people who are non-religious or even anti-religious.

    Each religion has its own interpretation of what we're doing here, and people should choose freely according to their belief systems whether the Aneros is suitable for them. Having made a decision for yourself, it is much better to just move on if you don't want to use Aneros, rather than trying to preach others into not using it. Remember its a *personal* thing and noone has a monopoly on the truth.

    Frankly I dont think any good can come of discussing this. Especially in the extremely narrow context of Christianity, a religion that is far from universal and has a well established history of persecution (hint: the Vatican apologized to various minorities it persecuted in the past, so this is not an arguable point).

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    Originally Posted By: FleshJoe
    Everyone should remember that this is a worldwide forum and that Christianity is far from the only religion on this planet. Plus there are many people who are non-religious or even anti-religious.

    Each religion has its own interpretation of what we're doing here, and people should choose freely according to their belief systems whether the Aneros is suitable for them. Having made a decision for yourself, it is much better to just move on if you don't want to use Aneros, rather than trying to preach others into not using it. Remember its a *personal* thing and noone has a monopoly on the truth.

    Frankly I dont think any good can come of discussing this. Especially in the extremely narrow context of Christianity, a religion that is far from universal and has a well established history of persecution (hint: the Vatican apologized to various minorities it persecuted in the past, so this is not an arguable point).


    Hi Fleshjoe, One of the really cool things about this Forum is that the thread topic appears before you even have to read it. It appears you should have skipped this one.
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    Originally Posted By: Lincoln

    Originally Posted By: Guest
    Hi Lincoln, I am the second reply. Sorry if my communication was in \"Jesus-speak\". I have my own triggers for that term and try to stay away from them. I was only relating my thoughts based on what I have experienced or feel I've learned. I called him a brother because I took his profession of belief at face value and that would make him \"family\" at those he directed his question to, brothers and sisters - nothing real fancy. It was meant to be to him - even though I know it is seen by everyone. I saw his zeal and was hoping to redirect it a bit, that's all. To me the point for him was not whether or not others are ok with their use of Aneros; the point was that he is feeling like he shouldn't - a feeling I wouldn't want to inerpret for him.


    Please forgive my delayed response.

    Admittedly, this is a strange forum for this type of discourse! However, after "translating" (a good-natured jab) what you are saying - I think we are roughly on the same page.

    I am curious, though, what brings you to this obscure corner of the internet?

    (my story of how I found this place is posted somewhere in this thread)

    Hi Lincoln, Boy if that isn't a fair question to ask me. I was looking for something to spice things up at home and saw the Aneros. I wasn't very connected to my curiosity at the time and bought something for my wife, but I checked it out on the web. It sounded more than interesting. I purchased one and have been using it and have gained some real side-benefits. I have yet to determine whether or not I am going to continue using it or not. I have a pattern with new things of going overboard for awhile. My interest level will sometimes balance out or I lose interest altogether. I think this device is beginning to assume a proper place in the balance of my life, but the jury is still out. Losing interest is not a likely outcome here. I know from my own experience that when it comes to something which is tied to intense pleasure I have to spend a bit more effort to be objective. I have been fascinated by the relatively high caliber of dialogue and the naked honesty in the Forum. Fleshjoe seemed to protest a bit too much, but he is probably more right than not that weighing the morality of this is not what the forum was intended for. It sure would be a challenge to find another spot. That is what has kept me coming back.
  • Lincoln
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    Originally Posted By: FleshJoe
    Everyone should remember that this is a worldwide forum and that Christianity is far from the only religion on this planet. Plus there are many people who are non-religious or even anti-religious.

    Each religion has its own interpretation of what we're doing here, and people should choose freely according to their belief systems whether the Aneros is suitable for them. Having made a decision for yourself, it is much better to just move on if you don't want to use Aneros, rather than trying to preach others into not using it. Remember its a *personal* thing and noone has a monopoly on the truth.

    Frankly I dont think any good can come of discussing this. Especially in the extremely narrow context of Christianity, a religion that is far from universal and has a well established history of persecution (hint: the Vatican apologized to various minorities it persecuted in the past, so this is not an arguable point).


    Fleshjoe - Im a little surprised at you. Limiting discourse in the forum?

    Spiritually is one of the many facets of sex, so why shouldn't it be discussed. Because religion has been abused? Nearly everything in life has been abused at one point or other in history - including and especially sex. Maybe we shouldn't talk about that either.

    Of course I plead Ad absurdum here.

    No one is pushing a point of view on anyone. reddevil1999 never did anything more than state what is heavy on his mind, which to my best understanding, is what we all do here. You, by suggesting that discourse be constricted, have pushed your view more than anything we have said, which was never aimed at anyone but ourselves or each other.

    I don't ask you to swallow everything we say - just read if you so choose and consider another's view. Perhaps your horizon will be expanded.

    I do appeal to you for tolerance.

    Incidently, I have learned from you and even responded to one of your posts in the past.

    Best regards,

    Lincoln
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    You're misreading what I wrote. I said its gonna come to no good, everyone will get inflamed and flamed, and noone's opinion will be changed on iota by this discussion.

    What I *did not* say is that we should not allow the discussion. Anyways thats neither here nor there, because I'm not an admin here, so I cannot do anything about it. I just expressed my opinion that this kind of discussion will lead nowhere but trouble.
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    I have read the Bible quite a bit, and I am VERY, VERY certain that Jesus himself said absolutely nothing about anal stimulation. In fact, here is a nice site that will tell you exactly what Jesus did have to say about sex.
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/sex_jesu.htm

    Just because your religious leader thinks he follows the teachings of Jesus does not mean he actually does. If you are a Christian you follow Christ, not some person who claims to speak for him. Enjoy yourself. You are harming no one and you are not a sinner for doing so.
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    Don't give me this bullshit "Jesus died for my sins so I can whatever the fuck I want and be forgiven" routine. Like I stated above, CUT THE BULLSHIT!

    And Maeve, how in the hell do you interprate that link as Jesus saying fuck who you want, whaen you want, even if it's yourself?

    The fact is if you religious people actually practiced your religuion and had FAITH in your religion, you wouldn't be fucking yourself in the ass with an Aneros. Cut, dried, and too the fucking point!
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    Pardon the typos in the above statement, but I get a little excited when I hear a bunch of hypocrites trying to justify to their "God" fucking themselves in the ass. Actually, it's quite amusing 'cause if you all believe in that bullshit Jesus thing, you're all going to burn in hell anyways! Because, in the bibles sense, you're all homos anyways so what the fuck is all this justifying bullshit for anyways? All you "religious" people obviously don't read you book of lies anyways if a heretic like me knows more about the book of lies than you people do..
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    Originally Posted By: Guest

    Originally Posted By: Lincoln

    Originally Posted By: Guest
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    Please forgive my delayed response.

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    I am curious, though, what brings you to this obscure corner of the internet?

    (my story of how I found this place is posted somewhere in this thread)

    Hi Lincoln, Boy if that isn't a fair question to ask me. I was looking for something to spice things up at home and saw the Aneros. I wasn't very connected to my curiosity at the time and bought something for my wife, but I checked it out on the web. It sounded more than interesting. I purchased one and have been using it and have gained some real side-benefits. I have yet to determine whether or not I am going to continue using it or not. I have a pattern with new things of going overboard for awhile. My interest level will sometimes balance out or I lose interest altogether. I think this device is beginning to assume a proper place in the balance of my life, but the jury is still out. Losing interest is not a likely outcome here. I know from my own experience that when it comes to something which is tied to intense pleasure I have to spend a bit more effort to be objective. I have been fascinated by the relatively high caliber of dialogue and the naked honesty in the Forum. Fleshjoe seemed to protest a bit too much, but he is probably more right than not that weighing the morality of this is not what the forum was intended for. It sure would be a challenge to find another spot. That is what has kept me coming back.

    It seems I can't escape this thread! Three posts in rapid succession.

    It sounds as though we have similar personality types. It doesn't matter what it is, when I get a new diversion, I tend to run it into the ground as well! I wish you the best also as you work to "find your center".

    As for its place in my domestic scene, my wife hasn't taken to the aneros concept, so that has been a real disappointment. Otherwise....well, all one has to do is read the forums! It's in a class by itself.

    Last, unless there is something I am missing, the Taoists and Tantric practitioners all tapped into the spiritual aspect of sex. The spark of the Divine is unavoidable as this is where life begins - and so roll on the three great questions of philosophy.

    People have a tendency to confuse spirituality and religion. As you aptly, I believe, pointed out, reddevil1999 is in a new relationship with his creator. The spiritual "robe" he has donned transcends the shabby rags of denomination. It has nothing to do with Catholicism, being Baptist, Lutheran, or Prebsyterian - rather it's going back to the one-on-one relationship enjoyed by Adam and Eve in that garden paradise. Organized religion can't touch that.

    Like Columbo trying to come to my point - people not aware of that difference naturally come to the conclusion Fleshjoe did. And that is where I challenge him to reconsider. Learning new things is one of the benefits of this forum and why I believe that, though strange, it's appropriate discussion here.

    Thanks all.
  • Lincoln
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    Originally Posted By: Kramer
    Pardon the typos in the above statement, but I get a little excited when I hear a bunch of hypocrites trying to justify to their \\\\\\\"God\\\\\\\" fucking themselves in the ass. Actually, it's quite amusing 'cause if you all believe in that bullshit Jesus thing, you're all going to burn in hell anyways! Because, in the bibles sense, you're all homos anyways so what the fuck is all this justifying bullshit for anyways? All you \\\\\\\"religious\\\\\\\" people obviously don't read you book of lies anyways if a heretic like me knows more about the book of lies than you people do..


    Hi Kramer,

    I have to admit, Buddy, you lost me.

    One, I am not a homosexual - never have, never will be.

    Two, as I stated early on, show me where this pleasure is unscriptural and I will promptly destroy my Helix. I have not found it. Is your position based on something factual or just a cultural bias? And hypocrite? Ouch - but nah, we're just regular people, just like you. We can be and often are stupid too.

    Three - telling us we are all going to hell?!!! Take a chill pill, Big Guy. We are all just talking here. Anyway, I'm the Believer - you're stealing my thunder!

    Your friend, I hope,

    Lincoln
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    Hi Lincoln, You must live in one of the warmer climates, you handle the heat so well. I am quite certain we see life very similarly. I am having some difficulty integrating the use of Aneros in the context of my marriage. The reason I was in the novelty section in the first place was because menopause and the rigors of life have done a number on my wife's drive. We have been working to find things to heighten our experience. It's too bad we waited until there was a problem to experiment. We could have had some great times! My prayer is that this is only temporary. With all we have learned and shared, it would be something else to have another shot at it. She is fine with my use of Aneros. She receives the benefit of me having an expanded view of sexuality - less of a penis-focused one - and the increased capacity that use of this product gives me. It is really incredible how much more I am able to focus on her now. Her orgasms were full body before and I never experienced anything like that. Aneros has enabled me to get a sense of what she had been experiencing. It is quite an amazing thing to have your sexuality blown wide open in middle age. My challenge is to keep our sexual relationship as mutual as I can in the circumstances.

    I don't know if I will go much farther with this thread. I have never entered into this kind of communication before and it has me confused. I am not comfortable having a side conversation that isn't really aside at all. It is in plain veiw where, of course, anyone can comment in any way they chose. Then if we comment on the comment it is like we are talking behind their backs in front of them! So strange. This medium may be for others. A have come to really like a number of people who post here - not just the professed Christians. I have been challenged and blessed. B. Mayfield is a true prince and taught me much about how to be gracious through his posts. I am looking forward to an eternity to get to know you and reddevil1999 better. This side of eternity, it is probably a fond farewell.
  • (this post was edited 2007-04-06 07:26:35)

    Wow, I didnt realise my post would be such a big deal, I'd just like to start by saying i'm straight, I have no problems with homosexuals - do I think there all going to hell? Hell No! thats absurd imo, My mind was conflicted so asked for advice assuming there would be someone here who was in a similar situation, I got confused as I read numerous conflicting things from the net, some christians said its ok to masturbate some said not, I dont agree with what all Priests etc. say, for instamce I read on a bible forum saying its innapropiate to have sex before marriage, saying you should stick to holding hands and "light" kissing which I thought was just completly stupid! I've had a few girlfriends but am still trying to find the one I would like to spend the rest of my life with, I think some people follow the "rules" of the bible way to strictly, imo you need to live life normally and make mistakes because if you live by these rules of the bible literally its gonna take over your life. Some people try to live there lives like Jesus does which just isnt gonna happen, he was sinless, we are clearly not! truth be told I sin everyday, I'm new to this Christianity thing and am still learning, The only differance ive made since me becomeing a Christian is deleting all my porn lol, oh and bought a bible and am going to start going to church, but i'm not going to channge the way I am, I like being me, I treat people with respect and help others as much as possible which is all you can do to have a good life right?
  • Enemagra
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    its a sin not to! actually, im an athiest but if i werent id have to say that prostate induced pleasures are gifts for those who are open to embracing wholesome pleasures and ignore cultural niches! why would god give us these bettering capabilities if not to use them
  • Lincoln
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    Originally Posted By: Enemagra
    its a sin not to! actually, im an athiest but if i werent id have to say that prostate induced pleasures are gifts for those who are open to embracing wholesome pleasures and ignore cultural niches! why would god give us these bettering capabilities if not to use them


    Since I can't quit running my mouth on this thread, I would like to take this opportunity to state my case of a belief in a divine Creator. Enemagra, please don't feel dissed. No malice is intended whatsoever. Simply another point fo view.

    The academic scientific community here in the United States and possibly elsewhere is grappling right now with what they have come to call "irreducible complexity". That is, that there is no way everything we see could be chaulked up to mere happenstance. There are a myriad examples of this.

    For us in the forum - think of what is involved to create the prostate pleasure center we experience and write about here. Could something like this evolve? I'd sooner expect a Chevrolet Suburban to evolve itself in the parking lot of my local mall than all the ingredients needed to form the nerve pathway alone to be able to figure itself out. Our nervous system is irreducibly (if that's correct usage of the word) complex - hence, a Creator had to have designed it (and wrap your brain around this one)...for us.

    Just a little thought....
  • Eeegad!
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    To All,

    I think what Fleshjoe was trying to express is that the issues that are being dicussed here are as old as time, and will not be settled here. Several people have made some compelling comments here, but I too doubt that anything really tangible will come from this. There seems to be nothing that will get people riled up like grappling with spiritual beliefs. And while on general principle I have no problem with such free expression, invariably it always leads to guy like "Kramer" chiming in with some crude diatribe. I guess he lacked the words to properly express himself? Honestly, it was pretty pathetic. I think that this man had a point to start with, unfortunately he lost me, (and others I suspect) when he started in with the language. He completely undercut himself.

    Frankly, I think this topic is far too deep for discussion in a forum dedicated to male masturbation. Should it be deleted, probably not, for it seems that some enjoy the intellectual exercise. If this kind of thing doesn't interest you, one can always ignore the thread.

    It just seems to me that this sorry 'ol world that we live in is forever in turmoil over how people hold, practice and interpret their respective religious beliefs. I had come to regard this forum as an oasis from such things. Talk about paradise lost . I think I'll be bypassing this one in the future.

    May your way be as pleasant,


    Eegad!
  • Lincoln
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    Originally Posted By: Eeegad!
    To All,

    I think what Fleshjoe was trying to express is that the issues that are being dicussed here are as old as time, and will not be settled here. Several people have made some compelling comments here, but I too doubt that anything really tangible will come from this. There seems to be nothing that will get people riled up like grappling with spiritual beliefs. And while on general principle I have no problem with such free expression, invariably it always leads to guy like "Kramer" chiming in with some crude diatribe. I guess he lacked the words to properly express himself? Honestly, it was pretty pathetic. I think that this man had a point to start with, unfortunately he lost me, (and others I suspect) when he started in with the language. He completely undercut himself.

    Frankly, I think this topic is far too deep for discussion in a forum dedicated to male masturbation. Should it be deleted, probably not, for it seems that some enjoy the intellectual exercise. If this kind of thing doesn't interest you, one can always ignore the thread.

    It just seems to me that this sorry 'ol world that we live in is forever in turmoil over how people hold, practice and interpret their respective religious beliefs. I had come to regard this forum as an oasis from such things. Talk about paradise lost . I think I'll be bypassing this one in the future.

    May your way be as pleasant,


    Eegad!


    Ack - take it easy on those guys - it's all good, Mr. (John) Milton!
  • Kramer
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    Licoln, I wasn't referring to the people here as actual homosexuals, but in the religious sense we are. In religion and the bible, anything "anal" and has to do with a "man" is considered homosexuality even though you don't actually screw other men. If I offended you or anyone else by that statement I apologise, that wasn't my intent. I'm just simply stating that in the churches eyes we are homosexuals because we indulge in "homosexual" activities by putting the Aneros into our butts.
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    Originally Posted By: reddevil1999
    Smoothboy mentioned about feeling no guilt in using the Aneros, Truth Is I do feel guilty about using the aneros, I'm a very recent born again christian and it is considered a sin to masturbate, however I find it very addictive, I know we all sin but that doesnt give me the right to think I can sin all I want because God will forgive me, I feel it is my duty to try and beat my addictiveness to the aneros, porn and my nasty smoking habbit, I guess I'm just curious how many people here really believe in Jesus and If they do, Are you ok with using the aneros?


    You guys are funny for you forum antics - its fake, i'm aware

    It is a hoax for sure - this forum is maintained by paid employess of aneros - . The design of the aneros is not really that great - I have one, it doesn't do much. I don't get much out of it, and I have used other things in me (my fingers, markers etc) that do feel good. First of all, it sticks at the entrance due to a sort of ridged area at the opening, so IT DOES NOT slide in and out easily. In fact, it rather seems to just kind of vaccum in, and is hard to get out.

    So employees of aneros, congratulations on perpetrating one of the biggest intenet hoaxes (many sex toys are hoaxes - its allright, most don;t do much). I know your industry relies on writing you own reviews, posing as customers, and giving sites kickbacks to "review" your product. I understand these are just your jobs, but try to have some conscience, and when you quit your unfulfulling job here, blow the whistle on Aneros.

    I'm not mad at you employees per se, but more the management of your company. I understand this is just your crappy job. I'mm mad at your management: why don't they just try and make an actually good sex toy? I mean if you were actually trying to stimulate the perineum for example, you wouldn't make some little, skimpy, sharp plasting thing to poke into it. Make it broader and softer. Same goes for the supposed prostate stimulator part - its just too skinny to actually work, if one looks closely. The part facing the prostate is a thin ridge, nothing of the sort to pad and masage a prostate.


    But You guys got methough , nice job with the sale. I propose to salvage your consciences though, that you actually start making better toys (i think you are doing that). Use your ill-gotten gains for good, in other words. Most companies got rich through some deceit or another, so its normal.

    All the best (and bitterness)
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    LOL how many employees do you think this company has? 100? 200? 10000?

    Man you're the joke, not us :)

  • Originally Posted By: FleshJoe
    LOL how many employees do you think this company has? 100? 200? 10000?

    Man you're the joke, not us :)


    I know you are an employee- every body talks the same here - like they use the same vocabuluary, have the same way of talking - its allright, its your job
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    you guys are funny should go and hit the bong for a few more tokes, you jackass moron!
  • Hey "kramer" - i know you are not a normal user - because they would reply with sympathy to mee - most normal people don't want to get scammed - thats all I'm saying.

    Your reaction gives you away, because you are so harsh. I really shouldn't debate with you too much, you will probably do more of the same.

    I feel bad though too. I mean - i don't want you to get less money over the idea gettign out that Aneros is not what it is said to be by the employoed forum posters). Sometimes I think - o, that sucks, what if it really isn't a hoax - but unless I can get you to change your vocabulary more from post to post (the way you use English - every body ha s acertain pattern), I have all the more reason to remain unconvinced of the validity of this aneros thingy. (in addition to the fact that the product looks/sounds neat, but really doesn't work)

    To clarify my position for any real potential customer : The Aneros doesn't actually work, most posting are fake - they are too similiar to be from different people.

    Sayonara
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    Hey dude, I'm right with you on this Aneros bullshit scam. I got one too and it doesn't do shit, I wasted 86 fucking dollars on this thing. I get better results with a ten dollar dildo from the local smut shack. That's pretty amusing if you think I'm an employee, or the 100's of other posters here, of Aneros. Are you a paranoid schitzo? And one more thing, create your own thread for this silly second grade bullshit, this is supposed to be a topic on religious bullshit.
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    I forgot my name i posted as before, but I'm the guy you're yelling at-

    if you were real customer, you would have more sympathy ffor what i say - no one wants to be scammed- i was

    now please reply with some talking points about aneros

    or try to make me seem ganged up on by pther users, or condemned by the cool "dude" saying guy as uncool
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    Conspiacy theroist douchebag! Medication might be in order for your rapidly dilapidating mental condition!
  • A SCAM! that made me chuckle, I used to get pissed of with the Aneros when I first had it I tried it for 15 months and chucked it in the bin, then a few days later routed it out of the bin and tried again, Its takes time but patience is vital, It pays off in the end
  • Eeegad!
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    To All Users,

    It's pretty clear that we're being victimized by one or two guys here that get their kicks from screaming "fire" in a crowded theater. There is NO WAY that any of these guys have EVER used the Aneros. If there are any fakes out there...it should be very clear to all who they are.

    It's interesting how they throw out a bunch of garbage that's intended to prevent you from saying anything in response too. It's like they're saying anything that you possible can say to me will label you as a confederate or "paid employee" . It's hilarious, this guy Kramer tried to agree with them and he got slammed too. (Frankly, I've got my doubts about him at this point also).

    For the record the Aneros has receieved glowing reviews in numerous magazines world wide. Oh, I know what these "crashers" will say, it's was all paid advertizing, right?

    Everyone here should know that this happens from time to time in ANY forum. What we're witnessing here are the same people that pulled wings off of butterflies when they were kids, and then grew up to hack websites. They LIVE off of the upset that they create. Guys like this would never get anything out of the Aneros. THIS EXCHANGE, this "hit and run stuff", and making everyone angry, is the ONLY thing that turns them on.

    You're sad and pathetic.

  • Edit
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    I think maybe you should show him more sympathy - he just genuinely thinks he got a bit scammed, and he was (aneros doesn't work). He just wants to let others know, so they don't buy something that will not work

    As to this forum being cooked by the aneros company: of course it is, it is from their company website. Never trust forums maintained for a product by the very company that makes them, Companiies review their own stuff online all the time: its common.
  • Eeegad!
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    Show him more sympathy....and you are SUCH a sympathetic guy. Again, your comments are nothing more than a farce. The one consolation to us all in your "speaking out" here in the forum is that it has likely saved some butterflies from an untimely death!

    Regarding the integrity of on line reviews, the Aneros has been reviewed and lauded on line, in magazines, on television and radio...by reputable sources who have no vested interest in this product. The Aneros record speaks for itself, as does yours!
  • The way Im see it, If it was a scam surely they would have been caught out by now? Dont believe if you dont want to but the Aneros DOES work, just give it a chance and follow the great advice on here and you will get great results

    p.s

    When I said 15 months I meant 15 minutes
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    I was listening to a biblical radio show on my drive home today. The guy was talking about the DEBT we all supposedly OWE to GOD. How unless we are perfect all the time from when we are born to when we die, we all OWE this DEBT, and can NEVER pay it off, no matter what we do.

    Well, since we all owe this debt apparently, and no matter how little debt we have we still cant pay it off, it seems logical to me to have a really HIGH debt! So go sin all you want.


    Personally I don't buy into superstitious belief systems. Since the dawn of man (long before modern religions came to be) we have been asking ourselves 3 questions:

    Where did we come from? Why are we here? What happens when we die?

    These 3 questions have driven religious belief systems to where they are today. It is our curious nature that drives us to ask these questions, so it would seem that our own evolution has directly driven the evolution of religion.

    And as we learn more about our own reality, the mainstream religious sects align themselves to conform to these scientific truths. Thus, continuing the evolutionary cycle of religion.
  • Lincoln
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    Originally Posted By: gourdy
    I was listening to a biblical radio show on my drive home today. The guy was talking about the DEBT we all supposedly OWE to GOD. How unless we are perfect all the time from when we are born to when we die, we all OWE this DEBT, and can NEVER pay it off, no matter what we do.

    Well, since we all owe this debt apparently, and no matter how little debt we have we still cant pay it off, it seems logical to me to have a really HIGH debt! So go sin all you want.


    Personally I don't buy into superstitious belief systems. Since the dawn of man (long before modern religions came to be) we have been asking ourselves 3 questions:

    Where did we come from? Why are we here? What happens when we die?

    These 3 questions have driven religious belief systems to where they are today. It is our curious nature that drives us to ask these questions, so it would seem that our own evolution has directly driven the evolution of religion.

    And as we learn more about our own reality, the mainstream religious sects align themselves to conform to these scientific truths. Thus, continuing the evolutionary cycle of religion.


    Hi Gourdy -

    Thank you for bringing this thread back on track from its derailed state the last few days.

    As a Believer, I shudder at many of the radio "Bible" shows - who are living forty to fifty years in the past and who make no apparent effort to relate to the culture of today. Even their speech is archiaic, causing them to sound stilted and weird. No doubt they mean well, but as no one can understand them except veteran Believers, they are preaching to the choir and alienating those they supposed are trying to reach out to.

    In response to your thoughts on superstitious belief systems, I urge you to consider a belief in and relationship with your Creator separately from the status quo so-called world religions.

    A true relationship like this one is timeless and outside the bounds of fashions and trends. Not to say that we don't change, but as the laws of nature stay the same, take for instance gravity or thermodynamics - so the Creator is immutable, or timeless.

    To support my position that there is a Creator, I recycle part of an earlier post:

    ...the academic scientific community here in the United States and possibly elsewhere is grappling right now with what they have come to call "irreducible complexity". That is, that there is no way everything we see could be chaulked up to mere happenstance. There are a myriad examples of this.

    For us in the forum - think of what is involved to create the prostate pleasure center we experience and write about here. Could something like this evolve? I'd sooner expect a Chevrolet Suburban to evolve itself in the parking lot of my local mall than all the ingredients needed to form the nerve pathway alone to be able to figure itself out. Our nervous system is irreducibly (if that's correct usage of the word) complex - hence, a Creator had to have designed it (and wrap your brain around this one)...for us.

    People have a tendency to confuse spirituality and religion. A rich relationship with one's Maker transcends the shabby rags of denomination. It has nothing to do with being Baptist, Buddhist, Catholic, Lutheran, Muslim, Hindu, or Prebsyterian - rather it's going back to the one-on-one relationship enjoyed by Adam and Eve in that garden paradise. Organized religion can't touch that.


    I would encourage you, Gourdy, and anyone reading this post to eliminate the "mainstream" religion from their spiritual considerations. Eliminate the static.

    Go straight to the Creator. It is possible.