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Think I had a breakthrough
  • Hello everyone.
    After just over a year of Aneros use I think I had my first major breakthrough.

    For a couple months now I have been able to generate some unique sensations during my sessions that would originate from the prostate.  The best way to describe it would be tingly.  A few sessions ago I started to really get some serious leg quivers going.  They didn't really build any sensations but were interesting none the less.  Problem was is that they would really get in the way.  Quivers would start and I would lose all of the pleasurable sensations I had built up.  The quivers would subside and I would continue with my light contractions, build up some nice feelings, then on would come the quivers again and I would lose my progress.

    Well tonight I had a session that lasted about one and a half hours. (FYI, I go 2 or 3 days between sessions)  I had reached the point where I had some really nice sensations going.  Starting with tingly and then changing to full, warm, and deep.  I could feel the leg quivers coming on, but this time they were not as strong, but quicker.  Then these light but fast quivers traveled into my glutes and eventually into my mid and lower abs.  What was interesting is that I was able to maintain my contractions during this and that's when things really took off.  When I make an active contraction I go to about 40%-60% strength with a resting contraction of maybe 10%.  I could feel these internal sensations really build and build, almost to the point of just before a traditional orgasm.  I hovered at this level for maybe a couple minutes and then something clicked.  My aneros started going in and out rhythmically, not unlike an ejaculatory muscle response.  This lasted for probably a minute, it's really hard to say.  This was shortly followed with two more similar sequences.  So all in all I would say that I was in this state for about 10 minutes, 2-3 minutes of intense building followed by a minute or so of rhythmic involuntary contractions.  All I could think was, man that was wild!

    I'm not sure if what I experienced was a super-O or just a dry mini-O.  From my readings around the forum it seems to be that a super-O is unmistakeable.  So seeing that I have some doubt as to what is was I just experienced, it seems safe to say it was just a series of mini-Os.

    If anyone out there has been in a similar situation as this, or has any insight or advice for me as far as what I may have experienced, please share.

    P.S. Glory to Hypnotoad!
    NG
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 981

    Your description is almost exactly like mine, quivers causing it to loose progress, not had your success where getting around it is concerned, not had in voluntaries yet either though, but I've had hours of mini-o's (out of session on a few occasions)

    It might help to know about your your contractions in more detail and perhaps can figure out a way to get this happening again for you as well some other things that might help generate interesting sensations. 

    What is the sequence that you have the contractions in,  exactly? for this session did you have a 10% resting contraction throughout your entire session (i find this helps me lately, a little) and the contraction you hold for 40-60% how long do you hold those for?

    You're on the right path dude!
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
    Posts: 740

    Hello everyone.
    After just over a year of Aneros use I think I had my first major breakthrough.

    For a couple months now I have been able to generate some unique sensations during my sessions that would originate from the prostate.  The best way to describe it would be tingly.  A few sessions ago I started to really get some serious leg quivers going.  They didn't really build any sensations but were interesting none the less.  Problem was is that they would really get in the way.  Quivers would start and I would lose all of the pleasurable sensations I had built up.  The quivers would subside and I would continue with my light contractions, build up some nice feelings, then on would come the quivers again and I would lose my progress.

    Well tonight I had a session that lasted about one and a half hours. (FYI, I go 2 or 3 days between sessions)  I had reached the point where I had some really nice sensations going.  Starting with tingly and then changing to full, warm, and deep.  I could feel the leg quivers coming on, but this time they were not as strong, but quicker.  Then these light but fast quivers traveled into my glutes and eventually into my mid and lower abs.  What was interesting is that I was able to maintain my contractions during this and that's when things really took off.  When I make an active contraction I go to about 40%-60% strength with a resting contraction of maybe 10%.  I could feel these internal sensations really build and build, almost to the point of just before a traditional orgasm.  I hovered at this level for maybe a couple minutes and then something clicked.  My aneros started going in and out rhythmically, not unlike an ejaculatory muscle response.  This lasted for probably a minute, it's really hard to say.  This was shortly followed with two more similar sequences.  So all in all I would say that I was in this state for about 10 minutes, 2-3 minutes of intense building followed by a minute or so of rhythmic involuntary contractions.  All I could think was, man that was wild!

    I'm not sure if what I experienced was a super-O or just a dry mini-O.  From my readings around the forum it seems to be that a super-O is unmistakeable.  So seeing that I have some doubt as to what is was I just experienced, it seems safe ! to say it was just a series of mini-Os.

    If anyone out there has been in a similar situation as this, or has any insight or advice for me as far as what I may have experienced, please share.

    P.S. Glory to Hypnotoad!
    NG





    Congrats...You've experienced the wonderful giving nature of your prostate! Keep paying attention to these feelings, without over analyzing them...let them grow over time and relax, AND then relax some more! Keep experimenting with your technique and contractions, and don't assume that anyone else's technique is better! Just enjoy everything you get and go with the flow!

    TG
  • ThrusterThruster
    Posts: 52
    A prescriptive approach does not work for me at all, i.e., 10% here, then 30% there, etc.  I've only been at this a couple of weeks, so nothing spectacular to report yet, but I am making slow progress just exploring at random, contracting and relaxing in various rhythms, strengths, and durations, sometimes holding steady at a particular strength, sometimes relaxing as much as possible for a time.  All the while, I'm carefully monitoring all sensations, and if some random action leads to a sensation I like, I linger or repeat to see if it can be prolonged or increased.  My tool of choice for this initial training period is the Progasm Jr. rather than the Progasm Black Ice.  The Jr yields more movement and allows for a greater range of contraction and relaxation, yet still provides sufficient bulk to feel things happening, where Helix and Eupho are still too subtle for me at this novice stage.

    @inhope - I suggest try setting aside what seems to be your goal of finding a magic formula, as I believe there is, in fact, no such thing to be found in this game, and maybe try a more fluid and dynamic approach that you make up by yourself and for yourself as you go, without your or anyone else's preconceptions or expectations in mind at all.  Enjoy whatever feelings you do experience, even if it is only the satisfaction of exercising your PC muscles and massaging your prostate for a little while, which is inarguably healthful, even without the orgasmic incentives.  Stop demanding things from your body, and it will thank you and reward you soon enough!
  • ClenchyClenchy
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    @Thruster you seem to have the right attitude about it. I think it's all about finding your own rhythm. And being in touch with yourself to the point where you can recognise when to change that rhythm (or not).
    Traditional masturbation doesn't have a prescribed formula like 100 up-strokes and 85 down-strokes, inhaling on the up-stroke and exhaling on the down-stroke. It's about feeling your way into it, responding in the moment and developing a synergy between movement and pleasure.


  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    @Clenchy --- I like your words..."feeling your way into it"...so appropriate!

    TG
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 1,135
    @Clenchy, well said.  @Thruster, have you tried holding a 10% - 30% contraction for as long as you can?  Doing this helped me progress into the involuntaries early on.  Holding the contraction for a long time will eventually tire the muscles, and eventually start moving on their own.  Its just a thought, try it out sometime.
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 981
    I wanted to know the detail because i FEEL i am nearly at a breakthrough also. I just want to try new ways of doing things, I'm not asking to copy someone to the letter i just would like to try out various things so i can get my own rhythm)

    Plus the aneros wiki is lacking in the areas of the clarity of contractions (i know is only a guide), the poster is getting to what i need to know to move to the next level i feel, its all about sharing knowledge and experience, that will help my progress as well as his.

    All i need rough guidance on is this: how long to hold the 40-60% contractions and is a 10% resting contraction maintained the whole session? is there any resting period here? if so do you stop the 10%  base level contraction and rest for a time or straight into the 40-60% contractions, that sort of thing! thanks @Nucleargamer

  • ClenchyClenchy
    Posts: 177
    Sorry @inhope, I know you're getting a lot of flack around here lately, I don't like to add to it. I understand the search for specifics.

    I agree a lot of this stuff is too vague. I didn't know what exactly an involuntary was for a few years, and whether I was getting them or not. And I still don't know what is meant by "Involuntary clamping" in the Wiki milestones list. Even with anal contractions, I experience two distinct types.

  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    @inhope --- Your search for a "standard operating procedure" has the potential for limiting your success!

    The vagueness you detect in the forum and Wiki, is, in my opinion, a license to experiment and to just be free to find what works for you by "feeling your way into it", and not a deliberate attempt to keep you in the dark!

    No matter how many people describe their technique in the discussions, expecting yourself to get the same results is more likely to yield different results because you may try too hard to focus on the exact process from someone else, without focusing on what you do get!

    TG
  • brinebrine
    Posts: 291
    I ditto Theme_Gasm's response completely.

    brine
  • @inhope - What seems to be working for me is starting my session with a bit of deep relaxation. This may take 5 minutes or 20 minutes, depends on the day. After I'm completely relaxed I start with the smallest contraction that I can make, and hold that for a few seconds. Then I release for a few seconds. The next contraction I make would be just the slightest bit stronger. I repeat this sequence until I reach a point where my contractions are at roughly 10% strength. From this point on I try to maintain that 10% contraction between my stronger contractions. I will continue this contraction sequence, very gradually getting stronger until I find a point that begins to trigger involuntary twitching. Once I find a contraction strength that causes this twitching I will try and hold that level for as long as I can maintain those twitches. This may only be for a second or two, or at times I've been able to maintain for a few minutes. If I lose the twitching I relax down to that 10% contraction and rest there for a time, usually dependent on how long I held that last contraction, before making another contraction in search of that zone. For me that zone can move quite a bit during the session. Sometimes I only need to go slightly past 10% or even upwards of 70%, it all varies. The most important thing for me is keeping the body relaxed. One of my early roadblocks was that I would tense up in my back and shoulders. If at any time I find that I'm carrying a lot of tension I will completely relax, including any sort of contraction.
  • Armon-neatArmon-neat
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    @nuclearGamer: you're well on your way. Theme_Gasm's said it all. As you grow in your experience you'll find other paths and very different pleasureable experiences, with not a few surprises. enjoy
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 981
    Rest of you guys here: thanks for your input, I AM trying to find my own path, please understand, but asking these questions helps me to me have a better starting point and go from there. Nuclear gamers description and advice is mirroring my own and it's helping so please let's not derail it.

    @nucleargamer Thanks dude, that's helped me a lot! When you make your bigger contractions how long do you hold them? Do you release immediately to your 10% or hold for 10 secs or some other timeframe?

    Think this has got me somewhere as well! Having great sessions lately. Hopefully I can add info from my own sessions and see if we can help each other progress :-) you also might want to add 'pushing out' or reverse kegel to your sessions, I have started to feel a build of energy between contractions
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 981
    So @nucleargamer or anyone else, for those of you that do the proactice of a 40%-60% contraction, how long do you hold it there? a second? 10 seconds? or like the wiki says 16 seconds? (very specific that one!)

    Thank you in advance!
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    inhope said:

    So @nucleargamer or anyone else, for those of you that do the proactice of a 40%-60% contraction, how long do you hold it there? a second? 10 seconds? or like the wiki says 16 seconds? (very specific that one!)


    Thank you in advance!

    I'll hold a contraction for anywhere from 10-20 seconds, no need to count the seconds IMO, then I'll relax slightly, and do it again a few more times. Lastly, I'll relax deeply, and inevitably, I'll get some pleasure waves, and I'll ride them out for a while.

    Then, I'll start the contractions again, followed by deep relaxation and p-waves which start to build in intensity.

    Once I've reached a certain intensity level, the p-waves are flowing without any addition contractions...except a few small, very slight, twitch like, contractions, and then the strong p-waves resume!

    This routine can go on for a long time, and is fully satisfying for a session!

    If I have enough time, I'll prolong my session and the build-up will enter into a phase of full active-body responses with p-waves, mild to strong involuntary muscle movements, and eventually a full-body cascade of very strong contractions, p-waves, extremely heavy breathing and often bucking myself all over the bed in response to the quite intense, nearly constant flow of orgasmic waves of pleasure that just keep going as long as my mind stays in the orgasm zone!

    On some occasions, I'm totally out of control, and have to deliberately force myself to come back down from the mountain I've climbed. The plateau I find myself on is one of pure unimaginable pleasure, a gift from my own mind and body to myself!

    These descriptions are 100% genuine and not induced through artificial stimulants in any way! Gotta love it!

    I think I just talked myself into jerking off! Yikes!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
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    Sounds awesome! So you're saying after a while of contracting and holding you then no longer need to do the contractions at all? Your body takes over?
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    inhope said:

    Sounds awesome! So you're saying after a while of contracting and holding you then no longer need to do the contractions at all? Your body takes over?



    Yup...It can! It's never 100% guaranteed to happen...I have sessions that are not as successful as I would have hoped...like yesterday...but, after a good nights rest, without my Aneros, I was feeling good this morning! A few contractions like I described and the p-waves returned, just as sublime as ever! I've learned to listen to my mind and body better than ever, and it's paid off big time!

    When I have those superior sessions with my body and mind taking over, I'm usually nicely rested, laying on a comfortably warm bed in a room that's not too hot or cold...and I'm not interrupted for the entire session...that's when things can get crazy!

    Afterwards, in the shower, I'm often out of breath, quietly saying "Thank You" over and over because of how tremendous the session became for me!

    Now that's when I know I've gone over the top! That's SUPER to me!

    When I can go for several hours having constant self-perpetuating waves of pure pleasure...that's just incredible! Compared to a regular orgasm...wow...I'm speechless after those sessions!

    TG

  • inhopeinhope
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    Ok so when it doesn't happen you just contract and hold for 10-20 secs the whole session (2hrs)?

    Also when releasing your contractions after 10-20 secs etc down to your base level contraction, how long again before you contract again?

    Thanks, really helping me out!
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    I don't count how long, but I'll contract, hold for a little while, and release and see if that gets things going again...if not, I'll contract again maybe for a little longer. Sometimes it's a quick contraction, others I'll hold for longer...I do what feels good! If I don't get a response, I may just relax for a while and try something else later...I don't worry about it because I know it'll happen again when my body and mind are ready again.

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 981
    Awesome dude, awesome. I just had my best session (every session i seem to be getting more and more happening) i was about to do the 40-60% contractions this time however i didn't need to! just 10% or moving between 2-10% rapidly then holding at 10% was enough.

    I got to a point where i felt the build of an orgasm, so powerful and intense, it was amazing, but once again i didn't 'fall into orgasm' the feelings just stopped (before anyone asks, I'm sure that its not an orgasm, its just a build up feeling but its very strong) nonetheless it was just crazy how good it was (not orgasm crazy-good though) had a little more precum than normal too afterward

    Its great I'm making such progress but getting so close to orgasm is incredibly exciting/frustrating. I've also found that my best time when having sessions is in the first 10 mins, i feel things RIGHT from the start, within seconds (no acclimatisation to the device needed!) but after that 10 mins is up its hard for me to start the 'engine' again.

    Still waiting for my breakthrough!
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    Awesome...keep focusing only on the positive and the good feelings, forget about what didn't happen!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
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    You're right theme_gasm, i just wish i knew what changes things or what suddenly makes you orgasm from not orgasming at all for many years, its not like I'm doing anything massively different or anything it just suddenly.... works? and thats the case for when i hopefully get proper orgasms to happen? its such an inexact science!
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    inhope said:

    You're right theme_gasm, i just wish i knew what changes things or what suddenly makes you orgasm from not orgasming at all for many years, its not like I'm doing anything massively different or anything it just suddenly.... works? and thats the case for when i hopefully get proper orgasms to happen? its such an inexact science!


    Dude...you are both you own worst enemy and your best supporter...you choose! YOU can focus on whichever you want...and you'll get what you focus on!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 981
    I think you misread, or i didn't explain clearly enough (these pwaves make it hard to think clearly!)

    What i was trying to say, or ask rather, is why or HOW maybe doing the same things in many sessions yields no progress and then the same exact things in later sessions starts to make things happen. For anything else repeating the same thing and getting no result usually means you're insane! so my question was why this repeating of the same techniques will one day yield an orgasm when in the past it does not, what changes? what set of variables is DIFFERENT.

    Just a question, not a complaint (and not necessarily about me either!)
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    What's different is you, and what you choose to think about or not...that's what we keep trying to tell you...your mind is the sole arbiter of your success...not how many contractions, or how long you hold it...it's what you are thinking as you are having a session that's going to determine your success! When I'm having a session, I'm thinking about sex...nothing else! I'm not counting or thinking about why this or why that...I'm f_ucking horny as f_uck, and I'm excited...not counting contractions! Plus, I'm bisexual, so I get just as excited looking at pussy as I do looking at cock!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
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    Well I've not yet shared what I'm thinking about during my sessions, but it certainly isn't sex!? that is not conducive to sessions, that is was everyone has been telling me for years, that and porn being a distraction! I think about what is going on inside me and yes, i too am Horney as f*ck. If i think about sex it actually then transfers the feelings into the penis area and the pleasure stops being as nice.

    I don't count contractions either, but is good to have a STARTING POINT so that the body can then take over intuitively. Let me tell you this: I've had more success in the last 2 weeks (leaps and friction' bounds!) than I've had in many years. Why? because I've cherry picked pieces from various individuals techniques from their sessions that have posted here.... and its working!


  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    You've missed the crux of the porn issue...porn does distract you because your mind is too focused on the images...instead of the excitement of the sex itself...and of the Aneros and the feelings it's helps you to magnify! Also, when I read a story that's sexual, I get much more excited than with pictures! It's what works for me!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
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    i get the use of porn but yes its a distraction, pics are better for me too but a pic gets boring for me after 10 seconds or so, so that to me is a distraction, a 'mind picture' is far better, though again if it turns sexual it stops being about the prostate for me...
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    Ok...I get it! What works for you is all that matters bud! You are making progress from what you describe, and that is what's important!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
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    Yes mate, i just hope you can appreciate (perhaps you were there yourself once upon a time?) where i get so close to orgasm, wonderful feelings and my body aches with desire to orgasm and yet won't 'fall over into orgasm', which makes me VERY frustrated afterwards and then try NOT masturbating either. Its not easy.... and cold showers don't seem to work much
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    I've read many a post from guys who start out with little success, they take an extended break, many months in some cases, and then come back with a roar and a bang! You may be someone like that dude! I just know that as long as you feel frustrated you're not likely to make huge progress! It's all up to you!

    TG
  • inhopeinhope
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    I don't feel frustrated, my body feels frustrated, like if you were about to cum normally, then denied it, over and over and over. Biologically, how would your body feel? imagine it if you can.

    Mentally I'm very happy indeed :-)
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
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    Ok buddy, I'm not here to argue with you, two statements ago you said "...which makes me VERY frustrated afterwards..." so make up your mind! I only know what you tell me, and I'll believe whatever you tell me about your experience, but if you say you're frustrated, but you deny it later, I'd say you need to get a grip!

    Sexual tension can be friendly toward this journey because of the pent up energy which you can use to focus on your prostate!

    I feel like I'm chasing you in circles trying to help, but there is some kind of language barrier or something preventing the message from connecting with your experience!

    I'm done with this thread!

    TG
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 1,135
    @inhope, the prostate can be a fickle bitch, for sure.  You can have everything going the right way and it still will not cooperate.  Many guys have more pleasureable sessions then orgasmic ones, keep that in mind.  Its not one of those things where you do A, then B, and add a little C, then boom, orgasm.  It just doesnt work that way.  But definitely keep doing what your doing and eventually things will click.  When will this happen?  Who knows.  The re-wiring takes place at different paces for everyone.  
  • inhopeinhope
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    @Theme_Gasm perhaps you're not understanding because of the connotation people have of me on these forums, not that i care what others think of me one jot.

    I said nothing of being unhappy or displeased with my progress (hence my saying mentally I'm fine), i deny nothing i think its just a question of semantics. All i stated was that i get close to orgasm and cannot seem to step over the threshold, which makes my body frustrated (you have experienced sexual frustration yes, but your body, at least in my experience, aches to orgasm more than the 'mind' ever does. That throbbing prostate, the heat, physical tension etc.) can you imagine what this is like? if not then yes, please be 'done with this thread'. No offense meant, thought we were just having a discussion....

    @ineverknew thanks dude, i will and i will report back when i notice a change :-) thanks for your response.
  • ClenchyClenchy
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    inhope said:

    i get close to orgasm and cannot seem to step over the threshold

    IMO you don't so much step over it, as float very slowly over it without realising it.
    The times I've experienced actual orgasms, I wasn't pushing anything or trying to get over an edge. My mind was completely blank and I was just enjoying what I was feeling at the time. Lost in a thoughtless trance. My thoughts only come back after some orgasm action is already happening. I probably screw it up at that point distracting myself with "Oh wow this is great!" and pouring analysis on what I'm feeling.
    That's me anyway.