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Aneros, Arousal & Abstinence
  • didymusdidymus
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  • rumelrumel
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    didymus,

    For me, there is a type of refractory period but not as strong or long lasting as after an ejaculation. I think you could consder it a peaceful easing of the pressure for immediate release but it is distinctly not the hormonal sea change triggered by ejaculation. Sensual/sexual interest, arousal & desire are not deeply affected and I am still interested in soon resuming any sensual play I may have been engaged with prior to the milking. However, for me, after milking it is nearly impossible for me to have an ejaculatory orgasm and it takes a great deal more penile stimulation to even get an erection. I've read that some men can still easily get an erection and that their stamina is increased allowing them to stay engaged in intercourse for longer periods of time but that's not me. With regard to Aneros use, I don't think it affects your ability to re-engage your massager for pleasurable purposes.
    I don't understand why most dry-O's do not trigger the same hormonal changes (prolactin release) which ejaculatory orgasms do given that both orgasms induce similar involuntary spasms. I would speculate it has something to do with sensory feedback of semen flow down the urethra in combination with the prostate spasms, if there is no flow then perhaps no signal is sent back up to the brain to release the prolactin and shut down the orgasmic spasms. In milking, you are not causing the prostate to go into orgasmic spasms, just the opposite, you are getting it relaxed enough to open the ejaculatory ducts and allow the flow of prostate fluid out and thus releasing fluid pressure. Now, since there was no spasming to begin with, the sensory feedback from flow down the urethra goes to the brain and the brain says since no spasming was occuring there is no need to release prolactin and shut down a non-existant orgasm. Hence, little or no refractory period but a distinct loss of fluid pressure in the prostate making an ejaculation a more difficult possibility until the fluid pressure is again built up. Just my theory anyway.
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  • didymusdidymus
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  • mdadmdad
    Posts: 139
    I'm still trying to figure this balance out. So far, I find that my prostate is way more sensitive and responsive the 24 hours after I have ejaculated than before having ejaculated. It's like it's switched on during ejaculation, and is more receptive to pleasure. I've gone a week without ejaculating, and things kind of "die down" to the point where I have to work to bring them back up. But otherwise, for science, it's not possible for me to go longer because my wife won't let me. And the only time I can go THAT long is when she is on her period. Otherwise, she ruins the science experiment every time.
  • rumelrumel
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    didymus said:

    One more question about weekly milking-does it help to edge prior to the milking?

    I mentioned in a previous post in this thread, "Non-ejaculatory, masturbation sessions will increase one's arousal levels for future sessions." Repeated edging not only ramps up your arousal, it also stimulates the production of testosterone and stimulates the prostate into preparing for ejaculation (often called "loading" the prostate). This "loading" has to do with the prostate engorging with blood due to arousal, enervating the muscle fibers in preparation for their forceful contraction spasms during ejaculation. I suspect this also primes the seminal vesicles & ampulla as well. IMHO, yes, it helps to edge prior to milking as you are going to get the both the prostate and seminal vesicles involved in releasing their fluids.The drawback here is that you may be tempted to take your edging past the PONR into an ejaculation or your edging may be sufficiently stimulating that when you begin your prostate massage you also trigger an ejaculation, thus defeating the purpose of the milking. Edge, yes, but use restraint, the idea is to drain the prostate without inducing orgasmic spasms.
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  • CanacanCanacan
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    Linum said:

     An interesting point is that sex after having avoided ejaculation, is FILLED with multi-orgasmic experiences.  I almost feel the need to apologise sometimes, lest my partner thinks I am a bit of a freak, or that I am enjoying it just a little too much!



    Man did I laugh at that!
    I can perfectly imagine the scene... Comical!
  • G-ForceG-Force
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    Thanks again rumel for guiding me along!

    Like Linum, I also experieced an awkward side effect.

    Recently, I too felt the need to apologize to my wife. I reacted in such a way during sex that she looked at me with amazement, concern, unease, jealousy, etc. She knows of my aneros sessions and I have had them with her at times. However, I think she was worried that I was going to have a heart attack!

    Obviously there are many factors involved here......Any advice rumel?

    Is anyone else experiencing this? I don't know if it is the obstaining from ejaculation period, or the ability to "let eveything go" (thanks to aneros use), or a combination of things.

    I dooo know, that this practice is working! I just don't know yet how to convince my wife not to be scared!

  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,419
    G-Force said:
    "Recently, I too felt the need to apologize to my wife. I reacted in such a way during sex that she looked at me with amazement, concern, unease, jealousy, etc. She knows of my aneros sessions and I have had them with her at times. However, I think she was worried that I was going to have a heart attack!

    Obviously there are many factors involved here......Any advice rumel?"

    First bit of advice I will offer is...ENJOY IT! You have come to know the power of your arousal and its ability to take you to higher levels of sensual experience. Isn't this one of the outcomes you desired when starting your Aneros journey?

    Second bit of advice, tell your wife you would not be experiencing these sensations and feelings were it not for her love, support, affection and caring during lovemaking. The emotional bond betwixt you two will enhance any interaction, this can not be understated. Assure her that intensive sexual excitement is naturally healthy and your body would never generate sensations to harm itself so there is no reason to fear.

    Third bit of advice, congratulate yourself (ego pat on the back) for learning to "Just Let Go !" so your body took control and your ego just watched (the reverse just doesn't work well). Also congratulate yourself for understanding there are, indeed, many factors involved with this rewiring journey, you've come a long way in a short time, good for you!
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  • G-ForceG-Force
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    Thank you very much for taking the time to respond!!

    As always, you have invaluable advice and it is greatly appreciated!
  • AnerosHelixAnerosHelix
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    rumel said:

    Guys,
    I've revived this thread because I think it is germane to 'BigOluver's challenge thread (related to Alex Vartman's 21 Day Challenge) to avoid ejaculation. As the men in that thread and this thread have found, Avoiding ejaculation for a period of time does increase one's overall arousal factor and for some, who have made it through the that 7-10 day period, a new found sense of energy and well being.

    The question you may now be asking yourself is "How can I maintain this new level of vitality/arousal?" The simple answer is you can maintain it by no longer ejaculating but for most of us that isn't an option we want to adopt. Ejaculations are natural, probably systemically beneficial and feel great. Men in relationships may have partners who take satisfaction in seeing/feeling their man have these ejaculatory orgasms so they should continue to share these with their partners, just less frequently. Men with out partners really have the greatest flexibility here, you can choose to ejaculate with or without a partner as mood suits. Whether you are in a partnership or not, this fact remains, once you ejaculate, you have hit your reset button and will then have to go through the arousal/hormone cycle anew. For young men, this may be more difficult, but for older men, this may actually be a welcome re-enervation period. Since you've already gone through it, you know it is not so bad and the next cycle through will be easier, as will each subsequent cycle, but what about trying to actually maintain that arousal level indefinitely?

    It may be possible to maintain that vitality/arousal at a high level indefinitely by avoiding ejaculations altogether. Regular use of your Aneros massagers and periodic prostate milking will enable you to avoid the hormonal crash induced by ejaculations without sacrificing the healthful benefits of "cleaning the pipes". Regular milking (once every 7-10 days) will take the edge off the urge to ejaculate without tripping the reset button so you're still functioning at high arousal energy levels. Such a regime moves you closer to Taoist practices of semen retention to preserve 'Chi' energy as well.

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  • AnerosHelixAnerosHelix
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    Hello Rumel,

    I found your tip of temporal abstinence and periodical milking especially helpful, as it really helped to lessen my urge to masturbate. I usually ejaculate once or twice per month, and try not to touch my penis during session. During the milking process I didn't touch my penis and as a result the milking didn't leave my on the edge or PONR, which I'm very proud of. I performed the milking procedure with an Njoy Pure Wand. The amount of prostatic fluid was not huge but the relief was pleasant.

    I've been using my Aneros toys for about 4 years and so far I'm still waiting for the first p-waves and dry orgasm to come.

    Does anybody of you combine temporal abstinence and periodic milking?

    What are your experiences so far?

    I consider the periodic milking as a special rewiring phase because during milking I don't touch my penis at all and massage my prostate with the toy.

    Greetings, AnerosHelix