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Lubes Again...
  • XilehXileh
    Posts: 353
    I know it will sound weird, but when looking for shea butter lubes, I ran across "Valera Organic Vaginal Lubricant". USDA, Shea Butter, Organic. It really works! It lasts a long time, not drippy messy, and does not foul the surface of your new Syn. It is not as "sticky" as vaseline, hence allows move movement with the smaller massagers.

    I promise this will be my one and ONLY contribution to the lube discussions!

    Xileh
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    [QUOTE=Xileh;48389]I promise this will be my one and ONLY contribution to the lube discussions!
    Why? All viewpoints are welcomed.
  • isvara
    Posts: 574
    I think lube discussion is second only to anerose purchase. Beginners really want to know what works and the pros and cons. It was my great worry when I discovered I just did not like glycerine. I thought there's was not alternative. Now the good possibilities are almost endless and this forum prevents serious errors. Most grateful to all.
  • XilehXileh
    Posts: 353
    Thank you for being so generous. Actually it was a bit of dry humor. It's a pretty well discussed topic.

    Isvara - I agree totally!

    Xileh
  • ID Glide works for me.
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    [QUOTE=Xileh;48411]Actually it was a bit of dry humor.
    Well, then, it obviously needs some lube on it. :wink:
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Not unless it was dry-O humor! LOL

    Thanks for the information Xileh. How do you apply it, as I assume it is gel like in consistency?

    My only constructive criticism is, cost wise it is more than double for less lube than a 7oz container of Now Solutions 100% shea butter that can be had online for around $6.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    Will vegetable oils cause rubber to degrade over time?

    In other words, can you use coconut or almond oil in one of those lube syringes?
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    For a really good water-based lube, try Slippery Stuff Gel; it's super slippery, super thick, super long-lasting, glycerin-free (anal-safe), and it's not too expensive. I just purchase a 16 oz pumper for under $15 del'vd from Amazon.
  • isvara
    Posts: 574
    dingus
    My syringes are made of plastic, both the shell and the plunger. These have been used for 5 months and i think will last forever. They come with my androforte for which i am very grateful. I had to modify the ends to suit. I don't know the product you speak of. The rubber you speak of may be neoprene or a plastic which should not deteriorate. IMO Vegetable oils are not as destructive as mineral oil (Vaseline) but still are an oil. I don't think this helps much.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    What's an androforte?
  • [QUOTE=isvara;48432]dingus
    My syringes are made of plastic, both the shell and the plunger. These have been used for 5 months and i think will last forever. They come with my androforte for which i am very grateful. I had to modify the ends to suit. I don't know the product you speak of. The rubber you speak of may be neoprene or a plastic which should not deteriorate. IMO Vegetable oils are not as destructive as mineral oil (Vaseline) but still are an oil. I don't think this helps much.

    I, too, am wondering what androforte is.
  • XilehXileh
    Posts: 353
    What a crack up!

    No pun whatsoever. The humor here is something else. The tube does not recomend use with latex. It has the consistancy of a light vaseline so you don't need to inject it. Being light, it isn't as sticky as vaseline so there is more movement for the smaller massagers like the Eupho and Perdise. It works really well with the Syn, especially if you warm it first. Unlike liquid lubes, it doesn't drip and make mess. It seems to last. I also like the idea that it is organic. I just ordered a bunch more from Cheap Lubes.

    Xileh
  • priapusonepriapusone
    Posts: 257
    Hmmm, sounds interesting and I shall order some too!
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    I just checked Cheap Lubes for Androforte--are you sure that's the name? I can't find it there.
  • XilehXileh
    Posts: 353
    "Valera Organic Vaginal Lubricant"

    That's why it is a bit odd.
  • isvara
    Posts: 574
    Oops I shouldn't have said that! Androforte is a hormone replacement therapy I am on. Available by script only. What I meant was syringes are around. E.g. Vaginal thrush medication comes with an all plastic syringe I think! There used to be an applicator for a vaginal contraceptive. Amazon will not mail anything like toys or syringes to Australia. So I have had to improvise. I also notice they won't mail the same to some US states. Bit hard when you want to do the right thing safely! Sorry if I have misled you. I do appreciate the discussion and information on the forum.
  • [QUOTE=Xileh;48443]"Valera Organic Vaginal Lubricant"

    That's why it is a bit odd.
    I hope it lasts a long time because it is pricey (or dear to Brits) @$16 for 3oz at both Cheap Lubes and Amazon.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    Yes, I searched for af and figured out what you meant.

    I'm using a glue applicator, bought from a woodworking shop and modified. Works fine.
  • ImapooheadImapoohead
    Posts: 24
    I use a baby oral medicine syringe that I got at the grocery store for less than a dollar.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    I think what dingus is talking about is the rubber O ring on the plunger. Unfortunately I don't know the answer to this.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    That's exactly my question: will vegetable oils cause that rubber piece to deteriorate. I would expect mineral oil to damage it, but vegetable oils, I'm not sure.

    I Googled "rubber" and "vegetable oil" and "deteriorate" and discovered discussions on biodiesel boards about the damage to some engine parts (gaskets and seals and such) that results from converting a diesel engine to biodiesel, so that might be the answer: yes, it does.

    The reason I asked is that someone mentioned coconut oil as a lube. I tried it, using my syringe as an applicator, and it worked really well. But if it were to cause the rubber thing to rot away or melt, I'd have to think of a different way to use it.
  • stumpy
    Posts: 140
    I really think everyone is overthinking this. I see alot of discussion of wear due to type of lube and I really think it's unfounded. You're not driving a car here...your sticking something in your ass and learning how to let yourself be free and feel pleasure...lol.

    Just make sure whatever lube you use is safe and works for you. Overthinking things was not apart of my journey.
  • isvara
    Posts: 574
    Over thinking - yep you can get lost in it.
    Many hardware stores will sell various sized "o" rings. These will most certainly be neoprene and oil safe. Car garages and autos shops will also sell oil safe "o" rings.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 715
    FWIW, a few weeks ago I mistakenly used walnut oil instead of KY gel in a syringe (each are stored in similar small jars), and that syringe has never worked properly since. It is as if the oil has caused the O ring to swell and it is now too tight.
    It's not a great problem as syringes are not that expensive but I doubt I will use walnut oils in a syringe again.
  • [QUOTE=Pommie;48484]FWIW, a few weeks ago I mistakenly used walnut oil instead of KY gel in a syringe (each are stored in similar small jars), and that syringe has never worked properly since. It is as if the oil has caused the O ring to swell and it is now too tight.
    It's not a great problem as syringes are not that expensive but I doubt I will use walnut oils in a syringe again.

    I was trying to think what happened to one of my syringes, butt that is it. The o ring swelled up so it became impossible to push it in the plunger. I don't remember what I used. It was before I started using shea butter and vaseline. I don't use syringe anymore. No need for it.
  • XilehXileh
    Posts: 353
    Just a quick update after a couple of weeks of use:

    - A comment was made about the cost of a 3oz tube being high. It does seem expensive, but it only takes a small amount and lasts a long time. Maybe one reapplication in several hours. My first tube is going to last much longer than my liquid choices.

    - No messiness. Other lubes rub most off during insertion. This seems to stay on the massager.

    - No side effects during or after. No laxative effects.

    - Outstanding with the Syn, even sleeping.

    - Great with the smaller massagers, nice movement.

    - Easy to cleanup, no residue on the Syn.

    - It still has a weird name.

    Xileh
  • Xileh
    You've convinced me.  I'm going to give it a try.
  • Tomasheen
    Posts: 181
    I have tried a number of lubes and some were sticky, messy and horrid. I have now settled on MAXIDUS, a water based lube available from Lovehoney in the |UK. (250ml for £10).  It is fairly viscous and slow to draw up into a dropper so I have now watered it down a little. 2 to 1 ie. one part water. This water is sterile from cold but boiled kettle. It is easy to load up and very effective. No mess and very clean.
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    Do you mean Maximus lube? I have some, but my body doesn't like it much.
  • KeokeKeoke
    Posts: 67
    Thanks, Xileh, for the heads-up on a vaginal lube! I probably would not have discovered it without your recommendation. I've been experimenting with various lubes and like silicone a lot, but have laid off for a few days to get in some sessions with the Syn. 

    And, of the non-silicone lubes I've tried, my current favorite is the Valera Organic Vaginal Lubricant. I've used it with the Syn and MGX two nights in a row with excellent results, and I experienced no irritation or discomfort during use or the following day. In fact, after two overnighters, my butt feels so good and "natural" today, with no lingering stickiness, soreness or other reminders, that I thought I'd pass along my experience.  :-)  

    As mentioned above, Valera is expensive but "a little dab will do ya." Applying it in bed, in the dark, with my fingers, I got it places it shouldn't go, including the sheets. It looked oily but washed out. 

    For anyone interested, check Cheaplubes.com (more detailed description) and Amazon.com for the complete list of ingredients. The top two are sunflower seed oil and shea butter.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    Valera on the toy, a gel w/o glycerin inside me--works great. I just finished up my Slippery Stuff.

    Also, look around for a recipe for homemade lube, made from flax--works great and it's good for you.
  • KeokeKeoke
    Posts: 67
    Thanks, Dingus; I'll try the combo. 
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,603
    Lube syringes

    I'm more concerned about how Aneros and I match up with a given lube rather than how it plays in a lube shooter.    Prompt cleaning the shooter with a soapy solution seems to prolong the life of the plunger O-ring.

    So, during my journey through various lube preferences, I've received three weeks to a month of use from a syringe shooting vegetable oil, a couple of months shooting melted shea butter and over a year from the "road warrior syringe" that's used for just Slippery-Stuff (gel).  I have no experience shooting Mobil-One 5w-20. :lol:

    I keep my eye open for bargains on B-D 5ml and 10ml slip-tip syringes and buy a batch on ebay or amazon when the price is right --  that should be between 30 and 75 cents apiece in quantities of 20-50.   Look for the ones that are sealed but when you get them, clean them as if they were non-sterile.    (better than the several bucks one would lay out for the "Company Store" to afix a rectal tip to a B-D syringe.)

    Checkout the B-D syringe catalog.  The slip-tip configuration (as opposed to Luer-Loc) usually friction fits into an adult enema tip.  That makes for a shooter 'resembling' that in the Aneros store catalog.  Different slip-tips seem to have various lengths, diameters and tapers.  Whenever an old rectal bulb or enema bag dies, I hang onto the tip so have a few and each a different inside diameter from the others.  


    On rare occasions, a Becton-Dickenson part number, searched on eBay will turn up a good deal.