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To eat or to vaporize?
  • Practically any dug can be absorbed by the rectum lining.
    Weed being a social thing mostly i"m sure there are people that have tried your idea but I don't know if they reported it.
    I am not certain if it would result in stronger effects or longer effects.
    I am fairly certain that it would be absorbed & kick in quicker & I'm also inclined to think you would feel it down there in a unique way.

    As for the milk / cream concoction yes that can be done I have had THC coffee creamer before.
    Part of getting the THC into your concoction is aided by heating which is more likely to destroy the cream thus many people use butter or other mediums to extract THC

    Here"s a link on the cream.
    Quick weed recipe - Grasscity.com Forums

    And another cool recipe page I stumbled upon.
    THC Club - Cannabis Recipies

    Edit: Please follow thier directions to the letter, this is a safety concern people can & do mess up & light shit on fire & burn thier house down when trying to make hash oil. DO THIS STUFF SOBER & CLEAR HEADED!!!!

    Edit 2: Some of those recipes include the use of isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. Don't use that there is nothing that rubbing alcohol can do that ever-clear or other high proof alcohol cant achieve. Rubbing alcohol labels have those warnings for a reason.
  • movermover
    Posts: 69
    You know what? I am curious enough to give it a shot. What do you guys think would be better?

    Oil? Butter? Milk/creamer? Since I'm not eating or drinking it, I guess taste doesn't matter
  • mover;

    Pick a fat or oil that does not decompose at 350F. Monitor the temperature. Too hot and you will decompose the THC. When I had asthma and couldn't smoke, I used clarified butter to extract the THC. Problem was, at 350F, butter turns brown and gets a burnt taste. I guess if it's going up your butt, the taste won't matter. Nonetheless, I'd use something more stable than butterfat. Lard?

    Cheers,

    Dave
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    milk would not be the best liquid to dissolve thc in as the fat content is so low.
    butter is probably most often used - I have been using coconut oil lately and that works great.

    I don't see any reason why you couldn't give yourself a thc enema - wouldn't you have to hold it in for quite a while for the body to absord it? I wouldn't think you would want to use very much. the last batch of oil I made, I made part of it into capusules using a size 000 cap. One of those is enough for a great buzz so I don't think you would want to inject your rectum with a shooter full of canabutter or oil

    I think I might give that a try... sounds interesting
  • movermover
    Posts: 69
    Thanks for the feedback all! This is going to be interesting LOL

    There are several websites around that list all the smoking points - I'll probably go with whatever appears to be the healthiest and has a point above 350. Refined Olive Oil seems to fit the bill quite nicely actually.

    @ thhn what amounts of each did you use? I would imagine potency varies a LOT based on the quality of bud, but what amounts did you use when you made the caps? Should I estimate the same approximate amount that I would smoke?

    How long you guys think it should stay in the oil at 350?

    I'm thinking I won't need more than a few tablespoons of oil. I have an oil thermometer so I can monitor the temp accurately the whole time, and I'll probably wait for the oil to hit the target temp before dropping in the plant matter. Will most likely monitor time elapsed as well so we have a reference, and make caps of the excess if there is any.

    Any/all feedback welcome!
  • mover;

    When I made my clarified butter batch (years ago) I put all the ground weed (one half ounce) in the frying pan on low heat and then added butter until the weed was saturated. It might have been a half stick of butter. I don't remember exactly. I cooked the mixture at the butter's smoking point (350F) until all the cannabis turned very dark brown, darker than coffee, almost black. I think that took about 15 minutes. We did not filter the mess. Instead, we mixed it with a pint of strawberry jam and refrigerated it. Kind of ugly-tasting jam, but very effective.

    Cheers,

    Dave
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=mover;102069]Thanks for the feedback all! This is going to be interesting LOL

    There are several websites around that list all the smoking points - I'll probably go with whatever appears to be the healthiest and has a point above 350. Refined Olive Oil seems to fit the bill quite nicely actually.

    @ thhn what amounts of each did you use? I would imagine potency varies a LOT based on the quality of bud, but what amounts did you use when you made the caps? Should I estimate the same approximate amount that I would smoke?

    How long you guys think it should stay in the oil at 350?

    I'm thinking I won't need more than a few tablespoons of oil. I have an oil thermometer so I can monitor the temp accurately the whole time, and I'll probably wait for the oil to hit the target temp before dropping in the plant matter. Will most likely monitor time elapsed as well so we have a reference, and make caps of the excess if there is any.

    Any/all feedback welcome!

    Before you do anything, I would check out the first link that imperium sent to you. It would be very easy to burn the cannibus by putting it in oil in a frying pan. The method I have always used is to use a crock pot with butter and quite a bit of water. Let this cook for 3-12 hours and then refrigerate it overnight.
    the butter/thc will solidify on top - discard the water and the rest is the good stuff. you can do the same proecess once more to reomove more impurities but I'm not sure the second steeping is worth the effort.
    the quality of your weed would certainly determine the outcome of the product. I generally use one oz of grass to 1 lb of butter. when I make cookies or brownies (or whatever) substitute the cannabutter or cannoil for the ammount of oil or butter called for in the recipie. I generally use about 1/4 cup of oil per batch. You should also familarize yourself with decarbing the grass. I think this step is very important.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Consider tinctures rather than fats; however, it's not a fast process:

    Cannabis Tincture Recipe by Sweet Baby Ruth - YouTube

    How To Make Medical Marijuana Tonic & Tincture (Alcohol Infused w/Cannabis):THE GREEN MONSTER RECIPE - YouTube

    BASIC CANNABIS TINCTURE RECIPE

    Old family recipe from my Carolina kin: dry-bake the whole plant at 250 deg. F. for 2.5 hours to convert thc. distribute the baked remains, into 1 qt fruit jars generously filling them and balancing out amounts of flowers, leaves and stems between jars. Fill jars with vodka or preferably, Everclear. Cap and allow to 'steep for 2-3 months. Enjoy !
  • Yes In my opinion rook a tincture is superior to a edible as you are eating as little as possible just the extract, not the unnecessary brownie along with it.

    The recipe is just that simple,grind a bunch of bud put it in a jar full of ever-clear or glycerin if you prefer alcohol free or a sweeter concoction allow it to macerate 2+ months, if you like you can strain out the plant matter but I usually just grind it so fine it can all be swallowed easily.


    For movers experiment however that will not work as glycerin is notoriously uncomfortable and ever-clear is down right stupidly dangerous.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    I have made tincture using bacardi 151 and while it is easy to make, I find it hard to take. that shit is so strong straight up and still burns even when mixed into an entire drink.
    I don't have an issue eating a brownie or cookie. make them potent and the brownie might be 1"x1" I find that much more tasty than strong booze

    I would have to disagree with you imperium that I don't see why a tincture is superior to an edible? just my opinion
  • movermover
    Posts: 69
    THC Suppositories - Page 2 - Grasscity.com Forums

    Booyah. This wonderful person responded to my post with so much more info than I was expecting LOL but the bottom line is this:

    Whilst rectal use may have a quicker absorption rate it bypasses the functions of the liver which, when properly prepared, magnifies the effect significantly. However, in order to properly achieve this effect one must prepare the greenery appropriately (I won't even begin to describe the details but the post linked above as well as its sources do an AMAZING job of it, and I am a science moron).

    With this in mind, burdening the liver with processes like neutralizing alcohol in the bloodstream may end up hindering your efforts, while ingesting on empty stomach may cause the liver to neutralize them before effects are felt resulting in a milder experience overall. The bioavailability of the fat you're using (i.e. how much of it actually gets absorbed) is also a factor.

    SO, it's all about balance. The simplest solution I've seen so far involves gently cooking ground herb (convection baking seems to be the safest bet), mixing it with a fat (oil seems to be the most efficient if it's not being drunk, milk with added fat seems to be the most palatable if it is), adding something that increases bioavailability (lecithin or perhaps digestive enzymes in the milk) and allowing it to infuse/steep prior to ingestion.

    I thought this would be a funny question LOL it's turned into a very interesting science project.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=mover;102086]THC Suppositories - Page 2 - Grasscity.com Forums

    Booyah. This wonderful person responded to my post with so much more info than I was expecting LOL but the bottom line is this:

    Whilst rectal use may have a quicker absorption rate it bypasses the functions of the liver which, when properly prepared, magnifies the effect significantly. However, in order to properly achieve this effect one must prepare the greenery appropriately (I won't even begin to describe the details but the post linked above as well as its sources do an AMAZING job of it, and I am a science moron).

    With this in mind, burdening the liver with processes like neutralizing alcohol in the bloodstream may end up hindering your efforts, while ingesting on empty stomach may cause the liver to neutralize them before effects are felt resulting in a milder experience overall. The bioavailability of the fat you're using (i.e. how much of it actually gets absorbed) is also a factor.

    SO, it's all about balance. The simplest solution I've seen so far involves gently cooking ground herb (convection baking seems to be the safest bet), mixing it with a fat (oil seems to be the most efficient if it's not being drunk, milk with added fat seems to be the most palatable if it is), adding something that increases bioavailability (lecithin or perhaps digestive enzymes in the milk) and allowing it to infuse/steep prior to ingestion.

    I thought this would be a funny question LOL it's turned into a very interesting science project.

    Mover:
    I am a member of that forumn and I feel you got your answer from the right person.
    Badkittysmiles seems to be the Mayfield/Rumel of that forumn
    great info! guess I won't bother after all
  • movermover
    Posts: 69
    Why thank you sir! I'm a decent researcher LOL

    So to answer the initial question of this thread - it would appear that vaporizing is the better alternative where time and effort are concerned, but ingesting is the more efficient use of bud.

    Rectal/suppository use only really makes sense when the person in question shouldn't inhale or ingest for any reason.
  • [QUOTE=thhn;102084]I have made tincture using bacardi 151 and while it is easy to make, I find it hard to take. that shit is so strong straight up and still burns even when mixed into an entire drink.
    I don't have an issue eating a brownie or cookie. make them potent and the brownie might be 1"x1" I find that much more tasty than strong booze

    I would have to disagree with you imperium that I don't see why a tincture is superior to an edible? just my opinion

    The brownie is entirely un-necissary.
    Really it is.
    If you enjoy it more then go for it.
    I still say they are purposeless calories.

    Your body must digest the brownie to get to that butter, tincture just truncates that process.
    Also many people bake at too high a temperature & bake off the THC at times.
    I have never out of the countless edibles I have eaten, noticed the effect.

    Taste is a factor but ultimately a tincture is superior as there are less steps, less to digest and less chance of wasting your money.
    Bacrdi 151 tastes horrible any way there is nothing that will ever mask it to taste good, you are better of taking the shot & then drinking a chaser than mixing it.

    Make your tincture out of 40% ever-clear 60% glycine will result in a far tastier concoction.
    Or you can put the tincture into a gel cap to take it so it never touches your tongue at all.

    I still stand firm that the extra digestion and un-necissary calories of a edible are why I never notice it.
    When making brownies all you can do is mix in the butter and hope it actually stays distributed evenly you have no guarantee or actual manor of dosage its all a gamble.
    With a tincture its exact, the liquid is all the same distribution (give it a good stir each time to be certain) and you have the ability to actually measure the dose.

    Tincture is more exact, more effective, less empty calories, less chance of failure, less time to be digested.
    As I said taste is/can be a factor but in in no way outweighs the other benefits a tincture provides.

    That all said if a brownie still appeals to you more then do that, but in reality you are only complicating and risking another possible mistake, when you re-bake that butter.

    Even if you don't buy the argument about empty calories & digestion time, a tincture is still superior and always will be because of 1 key thing.
    It can be accurately dosed.

    If you were to stop the brownie process a few steps short & just compare the THC butter to a tincture then its an impossible decision.
    The second you mix that butter into something you loose the ability to accurately dose, along with the other arguments I pointed out.


    EDIT: This thought is un-related to the edible / tincture discussion but i didn't want to make a post for just this.

    What about just boiling / heating some Shea butter, with some bud, it should have enough oil content to absorb THC sufficiently and then you can have it all ready & just use that Shea as lube, I may try this eventually.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=mover;102090]Why thank you sir! I'm a decent researcher LOL

    So to answer the initial question of this thread - it would appear that vaporizing is the better alternative where time and effort are concerned, but ingesting is the more efficient use of bud.

    Rectal/suppository use only really makes sense when the person in question shouldn't inhale or ingest for any reason.

    for me, it's not about the most efficient use of the bud but the quality of the high. I so prefer the high from an edible compared to that from smoking
  • karyon
    Posts: 34
    To those who want to avoid the calories of edible preparations (i.e. foods) and the burn of alcohol tinctures, I recommend doing an extraction into OLIVE OIL instead of butter (the crock pot water method, but using oil instead of butter). If you "wash" the final oil with water (mix it several times with fresh hot water, let the layers separate, then repeat until the water is mostly clear, maybe 3 times), you'll be left with a very potent product (provided you use enough material to begin with) with a very mild taste. I've vaporized and eaten for years, but unless I don't have the time to devote to a long experience, the olive oil extract is now my preferred ingestion method. (The very nice thing about it is that it has little aroma, so it's perfect for traveling.)

    - karyon
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=karyon;102131]To those who want to avoid the calories of edible preparations (i.e. foods) and the burn of alcohol tinctures, I recommend doing an extraction into OLIVE OIL instead of butter (the crock pot water method, but using oil instead of butter). If you "wash" the final oil with water (mix it several times with fresh hot water, let the layers separate, then repeat until the water is mostly clear, maybe 3 times), you'll be left with a very potent product (provided you use enough material to begin with) with a very mild taste. I've vaporized and eaten for years, but unless I don't have the time to devote to a long experience, the olive oil extract is now my preferred ingestion method. (The very nice thing about it is that it has little aroma, so it's perfect for traveling.)

    - karyon

    Karyon:
    I would be interested in knowing what is your final product like? Is it an oil or a solid
    when you are separating the oil from the water how do you do it? wouldn't the oil just float on top but still be in a liquid state? with coconut oil, the product hardens so it is easy to separate. I think coconut oil is higher in fat content also.
  • karyon
    Posts: 34
    It is an oil. It looks and tastes mostly like olive oil. To separate, you decant off the oil from the water, once the layers separate (a fat separator is useful here). Or pull it off with a turkey baster. That it is liquid at room temperature is the beauty of it, since it doesn't need warming to dispense. If you put it into dropper tincture bottles, it looks and acts like any other tincture, minus the alcohol burn.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=karyon;102139]It is an oil. It looks and tastes mostly like olive oil. To separate, you decant off the oil from the water, once the layers separate (a fat separator is useful here). Or pull it off with a turkey baster. That it is liquid at room temperature is the beauty of it, since it doesn't need warming to dispense. If you put it into dropper tincture bottles, it looks and acts like any other tincture, minus the alcohol burn.

    so how do you take this? do you put it in something or just eat a spoonfull?
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=mover;102086]THC Suppositories - Page 2 - Grasscity.com Forums

    Booyah. This wonderful person responded to my post with so much more info than I was expecting LOL but the bottom line is this:

    Whilst rectal use may have a quicker absorption rate it bypasses the functions of the liver which, when properly prepared, magnifies the effect significantly. However, in order to properly achieve this effect one must prepare the greenery appropriately (I won't even begin to describe the details but the post linked above as well as its sources do an AMAZING job of it, and I am a science moron).

    With this in mind, burdening the liver with processes like neutralizing alcohol in the bloodstream may end up hindering your efforts, while ingesting on empty stomach may cause the liver to neutralize them before effects are felt resulting in a milder experience overall. The bioavailability of the fat you're using (i.e. how much of it actually gets absorbed) is also a factor.

    SO, it's all about balance. The simplest solution I've seen so far involves gently cooking ground herb (convection baking seems to be the safest bet), mixing it with a fat (oil seems to be the most efficient if it's not being drunk, milk with added fat seems to be the most palatable if it is), adding something that increases bioavailability (lecithin or perhaps digestive enzymes in the milk) and allowing it to infuse/steep prior to ingestion.

    I thought this would be a funny question LOL it's turned into a very interesting science project.

    Mover:
    I decided to give it a try. I took one of my 000 caps filled with cannaoil and stuck it up my butt.
    It's been about 30 min so far and I don't feel anything yet, but don't expect I would this soon.
    feels a bit like the smallest peredise stuck in there!
    I will post tomorrow and let you know the results
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    I would say my experment was a bit of a bomb. I got nothing out of it.
    one capsual is enough to give me a decent buzz if ingested so I guess I'll stick with that method of getting it into me.
    I could take a lube shooter and melt the butter down and use 3-4 times as much but that might be a bit of a waste
  • karyon
    Posts: 34
    [QUOTE=thhn;102142]so how do you take this? do you put it in something or just eat a spoonfull?

    I keep it in tincture bottles, and just swallow a dropper full or two.
  • Isn't creating a oil much more expensive than vaporizing?
    That is, doesn't it take a lot more weed to produce a oil?
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=The_Bishop;102163]Isn't creating a oil much more expensive than vaporizing?
    That is, doesn't it take a lot more weed to produce a oil?

    That may be true and if you only have small ammouts of weed, then making edibles may not be the best choice

    However, there are many advantages to edibles and the high is superior to smoking in my opinion and well worth the expense.
  • I've tried vaporizing, and I actually like it better than edibles. The effect of edibles I found was hard to control. The difference between a dud dose and a perfect dose and too much was on the order of a gram or two of brownie (less than one bite!). Consistency from session to session was difficult, and the wait time is long.

    On the other hand, vaporizing is much shorter acting, and much easier to meter the dose, at least for me. And, I think it is fairly easy on the lungs.

    Both have been excellent to unlock the Super O for me. I don't think I would have got there without the assistance from cannabis....small controlled doses showed me right where my prostate was, and made it a lot easier to activate. It's not for everyone, for sure, but it was very helpful for me.
  • movermover
    Posts: 69
    Hey thhn, sorry to hear about the bomb. It seems that the appropriate prep for that sort of thing requires a lot of very specific effort. With suppositories, you're only getting the 1:1 ratio at best.

    At the end of the day, edibles are actually a more economical use of bud provided you are willing to undergo the extensive and careful preparation required. If you do, your liver actually enhances the effect of your bud allowing for a longer, more economical and cleaner high. IF you feel like being a scientist. LOL Of course each batch is slightly different depending on the flowers you get and their composition.

    If not, it seems like vaporizing is the cleanest option.

    I myself gave the milk a try yesterday and I have to say it was amazing! I gently microwaved a shallow teaspoon of bud (leftovers and such) in a reconstituted tea bag for about 30 seconds. I then paperclipped and tossed the bag in a very small saucepan with about a cup and a half of full fat milk and gently heated it for about an hour. I then let it steep for about a half hour and gently heated it again for another half hour.

    The result was delicious and quite effective! A half hour after ingestion I was in a happy place and stayed there for the better part of two hours.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    Here's a strange question: what about pot butter as a lube?