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  • Got a Helix the other day after stumbling onto this website. I couldn't wait to try it out. Anyway, I read the instructions, went on the forum and read the Wiki before I started (information overload). I have tried three times. I get the breathing, the relaxation and the contractions. After about 15-20 minutes I start to have lower abdominal contractions. Feelings a bit like I'm shivering without being cold. It feels really good, but they only last for a couple of seconds. I have a lot of them in a row then a few minutes of nothing and then they start again. I know that it will take some time to get it all right, but, what is this feeling and am I on the right track?
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 817
    Hello, Mothers_Finest.

    Yes, you're on the right track.

    Lots of guys, including myself got absolutely nothing going on during the first 3 sessions. The fact that you get involuntary contractions already is a good sign. It may take weeks or months before those little shivers turn into a major explosion.

    It helps to practice every day for an hour if you can manage that. Even 30 minutes is better than nothing. You may also find the "do nothing" approach works for you; no voluntary contractions at all and let the Helix do its own thing.

    Best Regards,

    Dave
  • et1swcnet
    Posts: 8
    Hello, Mothers_Finest:

    Yes, you are on the right track. Keep with it. I am so jealous, but not in a bad way. It took me several sessions before I could get to that stage. Now I am at that stage and progressing.

    It seems to me that total relaxation is the key for my sessions. If I can just totally relax, and keep my mind off of other things for a while, I find that the MGX takes on a mind of its own. This seems counter to what one would think, but that is part of the "rewiring" you will read about throughout the forum. It took me a long time to figure this out.

    I enjoy the MGX tremendously. As well as the Progasm Ice. Can't wait to get a Helix, and experience that journey as well.

    One day, I will have to find the time to document my journey. Sounds like you are well on your way. Relax, and enjoy the ride!

    Regards,

    ET1
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102

    It helps to practice every day for an hour if you can manage that.


    There are several schools of though about this, quite a few others feel that daily practice causes the prostate to lose some sensitivity.I'm not sure which camp I am in. I do know that too long an interval between uses (4-5 days) allows my own prostate to begin going back to sleep again. You will get a sense of how your own body responds with a little more experience. Good luck.
  • CockadoodleCockadoodle
    Posts: 397
    Hi, guys.

    Nah, M_F, just keep working at it. I always endorse the "put it in and relax" method. I call it the "do nothing" version. The Helix will move on it's own with your breathing and natural anal contractions...that's the key, by the way. Learn to control your sphincter and pleasure will follow, as the Helix moves across your prostate. And give it time, man, you're just beginning your journey. And be patient...sometimes takes weeks or even months before you really start to "feel" something.

    I think and hour or more a day will help to speed things along. I use it almost every morning, and it's usually a bang up session. I do not think you can "over-use" your toy at that rate. Hours of use multiple times can lead to a less-than-satisfactory session, but vary things up, and especially try it in the morning when you're rested. Mornings are great if you have the time to do it.

    Good luck, man...it's worth the work.

    Cockadoodle
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    Cockadoodle:

    I'm glad to hear you have had good luck with daily use, it encourages me to go back to that approach. I can't honestly say I detected any desensitizing effect when I was doing it daily before, but I began cutting back to two or three times a week just in case, and it hasn't helped.
    M_F, keep us informed about your progress.
  • Okay, so now for session number 4. Got home from work today, nobody home. Let's try my Helix again. After relaxing for a few minutes, turned on ITunes and began the next phase. After about 10 minutes, started abdominal spasms just like the first three times. Feels good but you guys tell me that there is more...much more. I have found that lying on my back seems to work best. They spasms seem to come in groups, maybe 2-3 at a time then 5-10 minutes of breathing and the whole thing starts over again.

    I guess I was kind of getting into the music and really relaxed when I decided to bend my knees and put my feet flat on the bed. Not really anything new, just seems to be more in tune with myself, I guess. Started feeling the rub on my prostate. It felt like maybe I needed more lube cause it felt like it was creating a little friction. Sort of like the wheel of a lighter against the flint (sounds dumb but I think of any other way to describe it). Anyway, it was feeling pretty good or maybe just different, so I kept doing it. After a minute or so, while I was doing the contractions I found myself moving my hips up and down ever so slightly. I thought to myself, what are doing, this isn't going to help anything. Just relax and let things happen, but this friction feeling was feeling great. So I thought what the heck and just kept my mini thrusts going (only a couple of inches, if that).

    Then one of my spasms started, except instead of in my gut it was happening in my thighs. The more it happened the better it felt, so I tried to go with it and not try to do the abdominal crunch that I had been doing previously. Well, that friction WAS actually like a Zippo lighter (LOL) because it caught me on fire and in a few seconds I was convulsing throughout my body. My hands even started shaking like I was having some sort of convulsion! I started moaning and trembling and totally lost control. Was I having a Super-O? I thought to myself, this is got to be it. If it got any better I would have bounced off of the bed.

    After I calmed down, I was still wondering if this was the Super-O. I thought it couldn't be, this is only my 4th try. So, the feeling was so good, I had to try it again. Started the mini thrusts again and this flicking start again! All of a sudden... my dogs started barking like crazy. WTF, is my wife home? Butt naked, Helix in my butt, just figuring out this Super-O thing, I jumped up and grabbed the towel; ran into the next room to look out the window. False alarm! My dogs just f'ed up the best feeling I've ever had. Damn. Now what?

    So, Helix still installed, I go to the kitchen to get some water and figure play time is over. Just as I'm about to take it out, I figure, that felt so good, I might as well try it again just to see. So I get back on the bed and quickly start all over again. To my surprise, that friction starts up again as if I never left. Not quite as explosive, but still very good. I lay there catching my breath thinking this could get addictive. Let's try again. This time the explosion is so great I know it has to be the Super-O. Any more intense and I would have a heart attack!!! But, being the additive personality that I am, I thought maybe one more. This time I think I tried to help it along to much and it sort of petered out. One more try. This time it was about half of what the best one was, so i figured playtime is up.

    Well, that's my story. Probably didn't do it right, but it was awesome. If that's not a Super-O, then I probably won't be able to handle one. BTW, during the episodes, erections and no erections, very little pre and no ejaculation.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    Mothers_Finest,

    Congratulations on crossing over into the Super-O zone! You have obviously been doing it right, following the pleasure path, experimenting with slight variations, allowing your body to lead you. Don't worry about doing it "right", there is no right or wrong, there is only what works or doesn't work. Listening to what your body is telling you, that is what works. Continue to enjoy the awesome, as your body reveals more and more of its magnificence to you.
  • airbagairbag
    Posts: 116
    Okay, I need your guidance. I have some very interesting results but I don't know what I'm doing. I would be very grateful if you could name the things I'm doing and experiencing. I've been reading the wiki for a while, and it's pretty confusing. Everyone is different, different kinds of sensations, nothing is the same for everyone, it seems.

    Read on if you want to know where my nickname comes from.
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    I have Aneros Helix for about 2 months. 27 years old, lean, relatively fit. I'm an extremely tall guy - approximately 6 ft 8 in. I had been doing kegel exercises for months. I'm straight, no prior anal experience.

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    My first session.
    I had been reading Aneros wiki and forum for a while. I know I had to take a lot of time, relax, use lots of lube, not rush anything. I already had ID Glide gel because I had been using other toys. I've learned since that the gel is not ideal for anal play (could last longer, and may have moderate amount of chemicals) but it's okay until I replace it with, say, Sliquid Sassy.

    I lied on my right side, with right leg straight and the left bent in knee.
    I inserted the Helix and started reading a book. After 15 minutes the alarm bell rang. I was already getting curious feelings prior to that, I couldn't fully concentrate on the book despite not contracting any muscles. It felt nice.

    On my first ride, the Helix felt slightly uncomfortable. I wasn't used to the feeling of it inside of me. Being very tall, I suspect I have larger than usual anal canal and I had little to no problem "housing" it. Unfortunately, the perineum tab was very uncomfortable, it actually created a minor wound down there. Yet it stopped being uncomfortable after the first several sessions.

    I started doing PC contractions, as if I was doing kegels, only a bit slower. I couldn't see anything, but I felt the Helix hitting something nice on the anterior wall of my anus. It was fairly subtle, but nice. After no more than 60 pretty contractions, my right foot (from the straight leg) started quivering. I kept the rhytm, very slightly increasing the strength of contractions. The shaking in my foot increased. Actually, it was slowly spreading upwards. To my knee, then hips. It was involuntary, but I could control/stop it to a degree. Instead, i was working my way farther (deeper?), and slightly amplified the movement myself. The shaking kept making its way upwards, up to my neck and head. I may have screwed it up a few times, and was losing some progress, I don't completely remember now. The rhytm was important. It was strange, I couldn't put my finger on the spot where I felt pleasure. Rather, It was mild pleasure all around. Interestingly, by this point I basically stopped feeling the Helix inside me.

    Once the shaking reached my head, it just continued for about half a minute. Then it hit me - I lost control of myself, started shaking very violently for perhaps 15 seconds. The whole body - legs and arms flailing like a madman, even my head. It felt very nice, but I wouldn't say as good as a normal orgasm. More like "very fun", than overwhelming pleasure. And I felt almost nothing in my butt, no clenching, contractions etc. I was actually laughing and making silly noises.

    Question no. 1: What's this ? A mini-orgasm ?

    I've been able to repeat the experience several times during my first session. The thing that seems to work well is, after some warmup, just holding a weak/medium contraction for a minute or so. By the end of the session, I was able to create (shorter) violent shakings by just contracting my muscles once.

    Somewhere during my first session I started worrying. The shaking is so violent that I could hit something hard with my head. And there's risk of micro-concussions (if soccer players get it from head hits...). Now I hold a pillow in front of my face when it happens, to try to hold my head still and absorb any shocks. Hence the nickname.

    Once I started getting sore, I pulled it out and cleaned it up. For about half an hour after removing it, I was able to get such violent shaking feeling just by contracting my butt once. It wasn't nearly as violent or long-lasting anymore, but it was fun. The thing is, I wasn't able to reproduce this feeling (after-effects ?) for a long time.

    Question 2: what is this shaking by contraction without aneros ?
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    Second, third sessions were duds. I expected too much. Also, I lost a night's worth of sleep before my 3rd session. I felt desensitized.

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    My 4th session was one of the best ones. I'm not able to recall what exactly I was doing. I mostly repeated the weak/medium contractions from session 1. By the 2/3 of my session I already got a few of those violent "shakings", for the lack of a better word. Then I realized I cound trigger them immediately with just by holding a single short contraction. The position almost didn't matter, for example it worked even when I was kneeling. One contraction would send me to the floor. And just like with the 1st session, I had after-effects after removing aneros (contracting without it inside).
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    It's 2 months since the toy arrived. Since then, the sessions have been moderately enjoyable. I never again got the "shaking after removal of aneros" effects. As a side note, I seem to only get them when I'm extremely turned on. When I play with my penis afterwards, my hand moves fast as crazy and I can barely control it. I get erections very quickly, too.

    I discovered a few things and subtle sensations, though. Things like moving my hips in certain ways, or moving my whole body. Nothing to write home about, though. I'm a bit disappointed that I only get partial erections (those mythical ultra-hardons would be good for my vanity). Also, virtually no precum.
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    A bit later, I wanted to try something new. Up to that point I was only doing PC contractions, no butt muscles. The wiki and I think the leaflet coming with Aneros suggests it's better this way. But I discovered that strong, very deep contractions produce a new feeling. Like I'm (literally) hitting something new inside me, around my tailbone.
    It works especially well when I'm laying on my back. I normally avoid this position, because it limits my movement too much. I realized it's much easier for me to get the "violent shaking" when I have freedom of movement, no gravity to drag me down.
    I achieve it by first clenching my PC muscle very hard, and then, without releasing it, clenching my butt muscles. I hit something I didn't know was there. I often can't keep quiet when I do. I tend to arch my back, too.
    Back to my position - on my back, legs on my bed (which is about as high as a typical chair). I'm very tall so when I just bend my knees and place feet flat on the bed, I have to spend a bit of concentration keeping the legs from falling. It's distracting. This way (legs bent in knees 90 degree, and on bed) there's no risk of legs falling to one side.

    On my first "deep contraction" journey, I just contracted the muscles and held them very long. The funny thing is, I started feeling something nice in my penis. After half a minute or so I started oozing precum. Not much, but definitely an improvement after precum-free sessions before. Also, good for vanity (and I like to eat it).
    I've found that it (not always, seems to depend on session) feels good to just contract the muscles and hold them that way while laying ony back. I started arching my back, got a mild and somehow very calm feeling. I just wanted to lie there. It was a subtle feeling, as if my body was covering with wax, starting with genitals.

    While holding the contraction, I started feeling mild involuntary contractions of my anus. This hasn't really happened before, I get involuntary contractions of everything else. Now it was a mild pulsing, and I believe I got pleasant sensations from blood flow. It was pleasant, but a bit annoying, since holding such a strong contraction is exhausting in the long run. Once or twice I felt like there may be something else for me if I wait longer, but I can't do that for very long. Now I'm starting to think that because I'm extremely tall, maybe I need a longer device. Anyway, another funny thing about strong/deep/long contraction is that for the first time I felt the need to touch my nipples. And not just nipples, but my chest in general. It was like a slightly different, calm state of consciousness, albeit still quite line and no massive wave of pleasure or anything.

    Since then, I experimented with contractions on my back. Those "deep" contractions somehow feel more real, more whole. A few times I got ??mini-orgasm (those violent contractions) from deep rather than shallow contractions. The spasms felt better that way, too. I actually felt some mild pleasure in my butt this time.

    I'm confused. I'm also planning to buy a Progasm Ice when I get more funds. Can anyone explain what I'm doing ?
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 817
    Hello, airbag.

    Explain what you're doing? Sure, you're becoming more adept at Aneros. The experiences you described are typical for someone whose prostate is "waking up." Congrats!

    As for you questions...

    One: I've long since given up trying to define classes of orgasms. If it feels good, be happy.

    Two: Feeling Aneros-like effects without the device is called "going anerosless." It's related to the Tantric Yoga practice of self-induced prostate or whole-body orgasms. Again, it's a sign that you're getting tuned into the prostate pleasure thing. It may be awhile before you can turn it off and on at will.

    Keep practicing. Focus on getting to a deeper state of relaxation. The "Do Nothing" technique may start working for you.

    Best Regards,

    Dave
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    airbag,

    I agree with 'ten_s_nut's analysis. What you are experiencing are all normal reactions to your evolving new learning - the "rewiring".

    [QUOTE=airbag;99308]I would be very grateful if you could name the things I'm doing and experiencing. I've been reading the wiki for a while, and it's pretty confusing. Everyone is different, different kinds of sensations, nothing is the same for everyone, it seems. From the Aneros WIKI Milestones section - [quote=Aneros WIKI]Milestones are progress indicators in ones journey with the Aneros. It is important to note that each journey is a unique and personal experience. All of these milestones may not apply to everyone. Some men may whip right through them without realizing what they are, while others will skip many of them altogether. Every man’s pace with this is different; some will accelerate and then plateau, while others will move slowly through them savoring each achievement. Regardless, the journey is well worth it. Again, everyone’s experience is unique, so the order presented here is an approximation. Where you land is the luck of the draw.Please read that a couple of times, it is important to note there are numerous paradoxes associated with Aneros use. Perhaps therein lies some of your confusion. Being very tall, I suspect I have larger than usual anal canal and I had little to no problem "housing" it. Unfortunately, the perineum tab was very uncomfortable, it actually created a minor wound down there. Yet it stopped being uncomfortable after the first several sessions.While there are certainly natural variations in the size of one's rectum, its great flexibility should pose no problems for Aneros owners. You can read some suggestions for Softening the P-tab in the WIKI.
    Then it hit me - I lost control of myself, started shaking very violently for perhaps 15 seconds. The whole body - legs and arms flailing like a madman, even my head. It felt very nice, but I wouldn't say as good as a normal orgasm. More like "very fun", than overwhelming pleasure. And I felt almost nothing in my butt, no clenching, contractions etc. I was actually laughing and making silly noises.Question no. 1: What's this ? A mini-orgasm ?It sounds like a Super-O to me, from the WIKI definition of a Super-O - [quote=Aneros WIKI]Super-O's come in all shapes and sizes. Some are small, some are large, some are single, some are multiple, some are centered in one area while others are in another. Some are particularly intense, while others are more subdued. Generally the experience is one of a surging pleasure wave that leaves one in a blissful yet energized state. The Super-O is very personal and different for each individual.
    Question 2: what is this shaking by contraction without aneros ?Very likely these are what are called "Echo effects" - from the Aneros WIKI GlossaryEcho Effect™(Jack Johnston) or after effect Spontaneous body sensation(s) felt after an Aneros session, these may include chair orgasms, mini-o's, butt buzz or other minor sensations.Second, third sessions were duds. I expected too much. Also, I lost a night's worth of sleep before my 3rd session. I felt desensitized.Expectations, soreness or lack of sufficient arousal are all major causes for "dud" sessions.I'm a bit disappointed that I only get partial erections (those mythical ultra-hardons would be good for my vanity). Also, virtually no precum.Ego, vanity and mythology are of no advantage when it comes to Aneros use, set yourself free from those concerns to drift into the stream of pleasure and allow your body to react as it likes, not as you would command or desire it to react.I'm confused. I'm also planning to buy a Progasm Ice when I get more funds. Can anyone explain what I'm doing ?From your description of events, I surmise your body is much less confused about what it's doing than your conscious self. IMHO, you have made very rapid progress in a short amount of time due to your reading of the WIKI information and your willingness to experiment with varying techniques. Keep practicising, you're on a good path and please understand the Aneros journey is ever evolving as you garner more experience. I don't know if anyone can really explain the mysteries each of us are encountering along this journey.
  • makelimakeli
    Posts: 14
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  • airbag,

    Seems like you are getting some of the same sensations that I get. Since I don't really know what to expect, every time is a new experience. Kinda like it that way, although it scares me sometimes; the things that happen. I am just trying to be open-minded and let it take me where it wants to. I guess that's the "getting in tune" with your body part of the journey.

    You and I seem to be able to relax relatively easy, which appears to be a big advantage. I am a little dis-pleased also by the fact that I don't get that raging hard-on and massive pre that some people get. I guess that I just expected this to be a more sexual experience. Don't get me wrong, I love the sessions, but a massive orgasm as the 'Super-O' is going on would really put the icing on the cake.

    Maybe that can come with practice. What I am figuring out is that letting your body lead the way seems to be the key. I feel like my mind is leading right now most of the time. But in those brief moments when I let my mind go, I have great flashes of brilliance. The question for me becomes, can my mind follow and eventually become equal, or one, with my body so that a 'Super-O' includes a traditional orgasm.

    Time for session 5...
  • airbagairbag
    Posts: 116
    Mothers_Finest:

    Most types of stimulation don't cause me to emit any precum. But when I just hold strong and deep contractions, I emit significant amount. I will work on that .

    As far as me being able to relax easily... Nothing could be further from truth. I'm looking for a job (nearly a year now), no GF, and have various other problems which are just not worth bringing up here. In fact, I use aneros as a way to try to relax. It works pretty well usually. Perhaps I concentrate easily.

    I think I may just have a natural sensitivity in prostate area. On many occasions, even as a little boy, I felt strange mild pleasure when I was about to defecate. I guess faeces exert pressure on the side of my canal and stimulate the prostate.
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    One thing I think I forgot to write about: by stimulating different parts of prostate I can already get spams to start in a different part of body. Weak contractions make me start with feet, while strong ones go from head in the opposite direction.

    Misc observations:

    - with aneros, I can watch insane amounts of porn and not ejaculate. Prostate stimulation switches me to the alternate mode and I don't feel the need to touch my penis. Unless I choose to do, and then it can be extremely hard to hold off.

    - watching porn seems counterproductive as far as my prostate is concerned. When I do, I focus on what's on the screen. I do much better if I focus on my sensations.

    - frequently, I don't feel anything special until I repeat the same movement several times. I mean, it's not very gradual, I progress from no feeling into strong preasure with no in-between.

    - the super-O's (if they're indeed super-O's) I get are not that amazing. But I get many strange and very pleasant feelings even without them, by experimentation. In my first session I crawled from the bed onto the floor and was rolling like an animal.

    - A fun game: once your spasms start, try to completely stop them. But continue contractions. Try to lie perfectly still. Surprisingly hard ! Last time I tried, I was lying for a minute or two, until I could hold it back no longer and erupted. It's like a bursting floodgate.

    - when most people think "hands-free orgasm" they think they can now use their hands for something else. Funny, most of the time I don't feel the need to. The beauty of aneros is, for me, that I can get pleasure in so many ways, so many positions. I get unprecedented freedom of movement. While I dislike having to deal with the dirtiest area of my body, my butt is perfect for holding the toy inside my body.

    - I think it would be very hot to use aneros in pairs (2 males). I'll have to search for aneros users in my city. Viva la internet.
  • Note from my 5th session;

    As I said before, I try to steer my experience with my mind instead of my body. That's what happened today anyway. After having an apparent 'Super-O' the last time, I guess I must have thought that I knew what I was doing. How wrong I was. Session was for over 2 hours and only very mild sensations. I'm very upset with myself for thinking I could guide myself to the climax.

    Note to self; just sit back and relax... the next time have no expectations...get out of your own way. You can't drive and sit shot-gun at the same time!!!
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    [QUOTE=Mothers_Finest;99375] You can't drive and sit shot-gun at the same time!!!

    That's pretty awesome. I need to adopt this back into my anero/aneroless sessions.