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  • To anyone thinking of using, or using this or any other "prostate massaging" product-While it may provide some benefits for some people, I think the potential risks are not adequately stated here. The product does contain a very general statement of "seeing your doctor"-IF- you have a prostate condition. This is not adequate warning. While prostate massage does have some meidcal benefit in some cases, it can also be VERY dangerous even in a medical setting, let alone done without medical supervision. If you have a enlarged prostate or prosatitis, massage can result in a generalized blood infection if bacteria present in the prostate are released into the blood stream. There has also been at least one death from bleeding resulting several hours after massage that resulted in a embolism in the lungs.(from prostate massage in general, not the Aneros per se) It can also result in stricture of the urethra. If there is a tumor on the prostate, this can be aggravated and create complications as well. This list of potential problems is not exhaustive. Many Dr's prescribe antibiotics in conjunction with massage to help prevent complications such as infection.

    These complications are possible with ALL forms of prostate massage not just use of this product. The bottom line is, see your Doctor before you start prostate massage of any kind-to see if prostate massage will be safe for you. The time to find out is not after a complication has occured. No matter whether you are doing it for the "sexual kicks" or health reasons, the result can be the same-serious infection, torn/bruised rectum, aggravated cancer, bleeding, urethra stricture. I hope anerous takes steps to adivise people of these risks on the packaging. This is especially true of any hard plastic non-pliable device. Just a bit of caution about this product and all "prostate massagers" from personal experience. While I doubt Aneros will allow this message to be posted for commercial reasons, if they do, do yourself a favor and take my advice. Nothing is more embarrassing than going to the ER and having to explain the infection, bleeding and pain that COULD occur.
  • Thanks for this frank post. I'm thinking of buying one and trying it out as no posts have really explained the dangers of using something like this.

    I'm interested to hear what the rest of the population on this forum thinks about this.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    I think the warning is sufficient. Buckshot2 has not provided us with any examples of people with healthy prostates being injured in any way, while using the Aneros as directed. I think it's virtually impossible to tear or bruise one's rectum using the Aneros as directed. The only potential risks I can see would occur from misuse of the product (such manipulating it by hand) or ignoring the company's advice to see one's doctor prior to use. What more can they do?

    Being a relatively healthy 31 year old man, with no indications of prostate problems, I see no reason to be concerned for myself using the Aneros. If I had any discomfort in my prostate, difficulty urinating, or any other tell-tale signs of prostate inflammation or infection, I certainly wouldn't be using the aneros without talking to my doctor first. That's just common sense. As it is, I've been using the Aneros regularly for 6 years now, and have yet to experience any discomfort or complications. In fact, I must admit, if anything, it helped cure my hemorrhoids!

    As for Buckshot2's suggestion that the company would censor his post, obviously, he doesn't know this board very well. Anyone who's read this forum regularly over the years knows that any time a post has been made that questions the integrity of the company in one way or another, they have always been left as they are, unedited, for all to see. If that's not integrity, I don't know what is.

    And if a person with any kind prostate problems or discomfort doesn't have the good sense to see their doctor before using a prostate massager, especially when the company selling the product has a warning to do so, well then let's face it folks - that's called natural selection.

  • Originally Posted By: Pan
    I think the warning is sufficient. Buckshot2 has not provided us with any examples of people with healthy prostates being injured in any way, while using the Aneros as directed. I think it's virtually impossible to tear or bruise one's rectum using the Aneros as directed. The only potential risks I can see would occur from misuse of the product (such manipulating it by hand) or ignoring the company's advice to see one's doctor prior to use. What more can they do?

    Being a relatively healthy 31 year old man, with no indications of prostate problems, I see no reason to be concerned for myself using the Aneros. If I had any discomfort in my prostate, difficulty urinating, or any other tell-tale signs of prostate inflammation or infection, I certainly wouldn't be using the aneros without talking to my doctor first. That's just common sense. As it is, I've been using the Aneros regularly for 6 years now, and have yet to experience any discomfort or complications. In fact, I must admit, if anything, it helped cure my hemorrhoids!

    As for Buckshot2's suggestion that the company would censor his post, obviously, he doesn't know this board very well. Anyone who's read this forum regularly over the years knows that any time a post has been made that questions the integrity of the company in one way or another, they have always been left as they are, unedited, for all to see. If that's not integrity, I don't know what is.

    And if a person with any kind prostate problems or discomfort doesn't have the good sense to see their doctor before using a prostate massager, especially when the company selling the product has a warning to do so, well then let's face it folks - that's called natural selection.


    My point is, and I think you stated it, check with your dr, first-My personal experience and opinion is that I wouldnt just dive in using it without seeing a dr even if I didnt "think" I had a problem. The warning as I recall says that if you have a problem see your dr first. The issue is many people dont know they have a problem. Whi9le burning, trouble urinating ect is present many times, it isnt always. And many people actually think from the info given that the device helps theses problems-and sometimes it does-but it can cause more and serious problems.

    Generally its my understanding from my dr, that prostate massage is relatively safe-barring a existing medical issue. I thought -and I may be wrong-that the package said if you have a problem see your dr before use. If it gives a general warning-and I dont have my package anymore-then thats great and my point is that I suggest you do as it says and see a dr before use. Dont just buy one and use it without some forethought into possible consquences.

    In my particular case i had BHP and had little if any symptoms. After use I got an infection that actually caused systemic problems. Take it for what its worth, but better safe than sorry in this instance. My case is not isolated either similar things have happened from "prostate massage" some no doubt from improper use of various implements not designed for the activity.

    Not trying to get into a contest of egos here and Im not afraid of disagreement either so take my opinion as one in a hundered here. I just know what my doc said and what happened to me, and what the INFREQUENT reports are.
  • P.S.

    Your right I havent provided you with names, people DOCUMENTS regarding injury. Why would I have some guys medical record relating to a injury to his prostate from playing with a anal toy? I doubt that information would be readily available for review by me. My proof is the same as your, my experience and second hand info from a dr. Its no more reliable than yours or anyone else here. No need to get into a credientals war since we have no way of varifying them is it? Ive been reading the posts here and the regulars talk about how "open" and non-biased it is, but the minute someone posts a dissenting opinion or something even remotely negative about thier product theres a dang character lynching. I clearly stated that my comments were directed as PM in general, not just the Aneros. It just so happens that it is the one I have experience with.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    If this post is a blanket warning about the perils of prostate massage, I think there are some good points made here by Buckshot. However, since these objections have been raised in THIS forum which is directed at the use of one type of prostate massage in particular (the Aneros), I would also stand to draw a distinction here. Unlike other forms of prostate massage that utilize a great deal of force, the Aneros is an anally driven device that when used as directed (yes, that again) is safe (that is given that there are no underlying problems to begin with). Am I just taking the manufacturer's word for it? No. As many in this forum are aware, I have been a life-long sufferer of prostatitis, and as a result have had numerous occasions upon which to discuss the use of the Aneros with my urologist. I even had him go to the HIH website to examine the device on line. The word I got from him is consistent with what I've presented here,.... as long as one doesn't have cancer, or any ongoing infection, there is little harm that one's own anus can inflict upon oneself. I know there are some who have used prostate massage as means for relieving inflammatory diseases, and I would admit that he stopped short of advocating it for that purpose. (I should mention however that he is not an advocate of any kind of therapeutic prostate massage for such conditions).

    It bears mentioning too that the Aneros was not cooked up by some itinerant adult toy fabricator (if that were the case ostensibly they could of come up with something less austere!) To the contrary the device was designed by a urologist.

    I'm not certain from reading your comments whether you were directly attributing your difficulties to the Aneros or not? Not knowing the conditions under which it was used it's impossible for anyone of us here to dispute the validity of such a claim. But if you're truly convinced that this device precipitated your problems, I can certainly understand your concern for others. However, I would have to add, as a forum vet of some 4 years, that I am unaware of any other instances as you have described...not from use as labeled that is.

    I would agree with you that it's a good idea to check with one's doctor before trying something like this, even if one is asymptomatic, particularly if one is 45 years or older. I would also agree with Pan however, that the manufacturer touches on this adequately.

    With regard to your allegations of lynchings of dissenters, I would beg to differ. As you must realize now your comments have a place here just as any one else's. But just as certainly, it doesn't mean that everyone here must agree with you. After all THIS IS A FORUM.... and in expressing ones opinions one may be called upon to defend them on occasion. I don't know what your prior experience has been with adult forums, but I can tell you from mine that the demeanor here is quite exceptional as compared to what's out there. The fact that the Aneros has inspired many fiercely devoted followers speaks for itself.

    BF Mayfield
  • Could not have said it any better than that. I have been using these devices long enough to say they are safe when used as directed. Now if you have any medical condition that might be affected by the use of one of the aneros common sense comes into play, go and talk with your physician. When in doubt email the makers of the product or ask the forum members if you are to shy to talk to your doctor. The members of this forum give educated answers that come from experience. Excellent posts by everyone.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    (this post was edited 2005-12-18 20:38:36)

    Originally Posted By: buckshot2
    P.S.

    Your right I havent provided you with names, people DOCUMENTS regarding injury. Why would I have some guys medical record relating to a injury to his prostate from playing with a anal toy? I doubt that information would be readily available for review by me. My proof is the same as your, my experience and second hand info from a dr. Its no more reliable than yours or anyone else here. No need to get into a credientals war since we have no way of varifying them is it? Ive been reading the posts here and the regulars talk about how "open" and non-biased it is, but the minute someone posts a dissenting opinion or something even remotely negative about thier product theres a dang character lynching. I clearly stated that my comments were directed as PM in general, not just the Aneros. It just so happens that it is the one I have experience with.


    Buckshot, I agree that our opinions are equally lacking in proof. That was my point after all. You began this discussion with two accusations and I expressed my opinion about them.

    It seems to me that if you intend to start a conversation here with accusations about the safety of the product and the people who maintain this website, the burden of proof rests with you, not the people who reply to your statements.

    As for the, "character lynching," what can I say? I made no references to your character. I replied to your statement, reported my personal experience, and expressed my opinion. That's all.

    As B. Mayfield suggested, some members of the community (myself being one of them), feel an obligation to say something when people make attacks against the character and integrity of the good people who maintain this forum. You claimed that your post would be censored for commercial reasons, which was clearly an unfair attack on the character and integrity of those who work for the company. So who's really doing the "lynching," around here?

    Of course you're free to express your opinion here, the same as anyone. But if you plan on beginning your participation in this forum with accusations, then I think it's reasonable to expect some retorts. Don't you?

  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    Thanks luvin but be advised that there are no medical doctors in the forum. At least none who have identified themselves as such (actually, I take that back, there was one, some time ago now...an orthopedic guy though...said this was out of his area of expertise). Consequently even the best of information that is provided here (as buckshot points out) comes to us second hand. So my suggestion is to take it as reference material to be verified by a physician, particularly when there are underlying health concerns to be addressed.

    One other thing, if you have a doctor that you can't confide in about such things....find one who you can be more candid with. If you're embarrassed about telling him/her that you do this by yourself...tell him/her that you have an adventurous girlfriend! In any event it's worth finding someone that you can be open with in this regard.

    Cheers,

    BF Mayfield
  • I do not claim - nor did I claim-that the device CAUSED my BPH. What I do claim, is that one should ALWAYS consult with a doctor before using ANY device for massaging the prostate, especially internally. My condition existed before use of the Aneros, but the infection was caused by subsquent use of it. Pressure, rubbing, and manipulation can cause infectious material in the prostate to become blood borne in some cases. You may be aysmptomatic or have minor symptoms of prostate disease and this COULD cause problems, some of them serious. I am only 37, so I also did not suspect prostate problems, but it happens. My advice is that while the staff of Anerous may be knowledgable on the use of thier product, and the designer may be a MD, the only person qualified to tell you if it is safe to use this device is your Physcian who is familar with your condition.

    As for making "accusations", Im stating what happened to me, and it wasnt any "super O" but a infection. Others may not have that experience, or at least I would hope not. I came here stating a opinion and a experience. I shouldnt have to provide anyone with any "proof" that what I posted happened or is medically sound. If that is the case, theres no use in having a forum because everyones "opinion " is subject to being proved.


    As for the product doing what is claimed, I havent experienced that, but it may work for others. It seems many people here havent experienced it from the other posts as well. But because some people have , it clearly is possible in some cases. Because it sounds so good ,if it does happen, I may try the device again after I am fully healed and see if I get a different result under different circumstances, after and if my doctor says it is safe to do so. But I stand by my comments that the decice is not "completely harmless" in all circumstances, some that may exist without the user being aware. There is always a risk when inserting something into the rectum, esp. something that is hard plastic, no matter how it is used. That can be backed up medically.

    I would think that the forum would be available to discuss these serious concerns, and not limit itself only to the teqnique of achieving orgasm. The Aneros is a prostate massager, and therefore prostate massage in general is not off topic by any reasonable standard.

    Ineveitably the fact that it was my first post was bound to draw fire from those who fancy themselves above criticism or dissenting comment due to thier "expertise?" in prostate massage. I have been involved in enough forums to know this is typical reaction to a "newbie" by those few who consider themselves the "final word" in any given forum. I also know that there is bound to be very little deviance in opinions of those few, since they have already formed alliances long before the newbie arrives. This is not meant to be slight, but a reality.

    None the less, I have said my piece on the matter based on first hand experience and can only hope that people heed it to prevent possible injury. Whether or not the warning issued with the device is suffcient remains to be seen, and given our litigous society, is bound to be decided in a court somewhere, instead of people just taking responsibility for thier own actions. My injury was purely my fault, as given my proffession, I should have known of the injuries that COULD result, warning or not. But someone eventually wont see it that way.

    In any event, I apologize for any offense given, but respectfully stand by my comments. I trust we have beat this horse to death, and are ready to move on to more interesting topics?

  • I do not claim - nor did I claim-that the device CAUSED my BPH. What I do claim, is that one should ALWAYS consult with a doctor before using ANY device for massaging the prostate, especially internally. My condition existed before use of the Aneros, but the infection was caused by subsquent use of it. Pressure, rubbing, and manipulation can cause infectious material in the prostate to become blood borne in some cases. You may be aysmptomatic or have minor symptoms of prostate disease and this COULD cause problems, some of them serious. I am only 37, so I also did not suspect prostate problems, but it happens. My advice is that while the staff of Anerous may be knowledgable on the use of thier product, and the designer may be a MD, the only person qualified to tell you if it is safe to use this device is your Physcian who is familar with your condition.

    As for making "accusations", Im stating what happened to me, and it wasnt any "super O" but a infection. Others may not have that experience, or at least I would hope not. I came here stating a opinion and a experience. I shouldnt have to provide anyone with any "proof" that what I posted happened or is medically sound. If that is the case, theres no use in having a forum because everyones "opinion " is subject to being proved.


    As for the product doing what is claimed, I havent experienced that, but it may work for others. It seems many people here havent experienced it from the other posts as well. But because some people have , it clearly is possible in some cases. Because it sounds so good ,if it does happen, I may try the device again after I am fully healed and see if I get a different result under different circumstances, after and if my doctor says it is safe to do so. But I stand by my comments that the decice is not "completely harmless" in all circumstances, some that may exist without the user being aware. There is always a risk when inserting something into the rectum, esp. something that is hard plastic, no matter how it is used. That can be backed up medically.

    I would think that the forum would be available to discuss these serious concerns, and not limit itself only to the teqnique of achieving orgasm. The Aneros is a prostate massager, and therefore prostate massage in general is not off topic by any reasonable standard.

    Ineveitably the fact that it was my first post was bound to draw fire from those who fancy themselves above criticism or dissenting comment due to thier "expertise?" in prostate massage. I have been involved in enough forums to know this is typical reaction to a "newbie" by those few who consider themselves the "final word" in any given forum. I also know that there is bound to be very little deviance in opinions of those few, since they have already formed alliances long before the newbie arrives. This is not meant to be slight, but a reality.

    None the less, I have said my piece on the matter based on first hand experience and can only hope that people heed it to prevent possible injury. Whether or not the warning issued with the device is suffcient remains to be seen, and given our litigous society, is bound to be decided in a court somewhere, instead of people just taking responsibility for thier own actions. My injury was purely my fault, as given my proffession, I should have known of the injuries that COULD result, warning or not. But someone eventually wont see it that way.

    In any event, I apologize for any offense given, but respectfully stand by my comments. I trust we have beat this horse to death, and are ready to move on to more interesting topics?

  • Edit
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    Buckshot2,
    As my user name indicates I'm a newbie too. I've been using the Aneros for about a month now...some good sensations, but no Super O yet. It occurs to me in reading all of the comments here that there is a great deal more agreement than disagreement, about the stuff that really matters that is. The rest seems like a lot people taking stuff way too personally. I for one think you've made some great points...I just wish you weren't so hostile about it. I just wanted to say that I hope that your condition improves and that you do give the Aneros another shot in the future.

    NM
  • Billdo
    Posts: 25
    (this post was edited 2005-12-19 10:33:26)

    I suffered some SEVERE bouts with prostate infection when I was about 24. No idea how it started, but it was severe. The general feeling of being so run down I couldn't exert myself at all...it was no fun, nor was the more acute symptoms.

    When my doctor examined me, he said my prostate felt like an 80 year old man's prostate! It was swollen and soft, and it was painful when he touched it. He informed me that he'd put me on antibiotics for a week before doing a prostate massage. Ever the curious one, I asked why.

    I was told that the massage itself could release toxins and bacteria into my blood stream, so the antibiotics were to protect me, and to start curing the infection.

    A week later, I went back for my "Massage." Yeah. Remember Indian-burns, where you twisted back and forth with both hands on someone's wrist? Well, I think a doctor would just call that "Wrist massage" based on how he referred to the brutal assault on my prostate as "Prostate massage." :)

    It was awful. And the next day, I felt like a truck had run over me. Almost too weak to get out of bed. I called him and he said that meant the toxins (from the infection) and the bacteria had most likely "leaked" into my bloodstream. He assured me the antibiotics would protect me from the bacteria and that I'd be feeling better in a couple of days.

    It took me 10 weeks to completely get over that infection. And it was not to be the last. I'm about 40 now, and using the aneros for over a year, I haven't had an infection in that time and haven't had the typical symptoms I used to have of general prostate weakness/hyperplasia. I pee more freely, and don't dribble afterwards. I think it's been incredibly useful for me. Haven't had a super-O either, but I've had some great feelings, and normal orgasms with the Aneros in are sooooo intense.

    My wife has also commented on the hardness of my erection, and how it's become like steel over the last few months. She knows why, but she still comments on how I'm like a teenager again.

    So, I can 100% identify with Buckshot's warning. If I had used the Aneros back when I had that first truly awful prostate infection there's no telling what might have happened. Perhaps it wouldn't have been as bad as what the doctor did, but who's to say? I will go on to say, though, that the long-term benefits in my experience have been excellent. I'll probably always use it a couple of times a week, and hope that it continues to keep me as hard as I was when I was 16.