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What's your trick for getting over the top?
  • I find myself able to get to where I feel like I'm *seconds* away from a huge super-O, but cannot for the life of me figure out how to get "over the top"! I must be trying too hard or something. What's your secret? :)
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    Alex

    How does it feel right before the super O? I have no idea myself if I'm right next to it, any help would be appreciated...

    W/o really knowing whether I'm correct, relaxing might help you over the hump.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
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    Alex,

    The key is......sustained effortlessness. Yes, it is the pleasure paradox. If you've read through the forum you've certainly seen details on maintaining an attentive passivity and such. What it all boils down to is that for you to be successful, you can't MAKE this happen, rather you must just allow it to happen by creating. building and focusing on sensation, and without any preoccupation of a set outcome.

    Just as some of the greatest songs are composed from the same handful of notes sequenced together in a unique way, the Super O is composed of the right set of contractions, coupled with breathing and focus. If you're looking for something different to try...give a shot at visualization. Visualization is a form of mind's eye imaging that may be abstract or quite real.

    One of the abstract images that I've discussed very often here in the forum is one of visualizing anal contractions as sweeping sensation deeper and deeper into your body. Hold on to the sensation mentally and keep it deep within your abdomen. Remember subtle contractions are the basis for everything....if you employ stronger contractions, always return to the subtle contractions. Also, be just as observant of the sensation of release as you are of the contraction itself. Now maybe try a rectal and anal contraction simultaneously and use the images of concentration almost like you're rolling the sensation into a tighter and tighter ball within your abdomen. What's next? Maybe critical mass..

    Less abstract visualization might involve something like imagining yourself having a Super O in full detail.

    The power in visualization, is that mental images can and often do, produce involuntary responses, which would be difficult to coordinate with voluntary effort.

    BF Mayfield
  • Pan
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    Excellent posting as always B. :-)

    I also use visualization as my primary technique, the only difference is, I use fantasies that are entirely focused on penile stimulation and ejaculation. At this point, my sessions mainly consist of:

    1. Inserting the device and just relaxing for about 20 minutes.
    2. Watching some erotic videos to enhance my mood.
    3. Turning down the lights, putting on some music, closing my eyes and enjoying erotic fantasies that focus on stimulation of my penis and experiencing ejaculatory orgasm.

    -The more vividly I imagine the sensations of my penis being stimulated and experiencing a continuous state of ejaculation, (without actually touching myself, using voluntary contractions, or physically "doing anything") the more sensitive my prostate feels, resulting in more and more pleasure.

    -Eventually, the sensations in my prostate intensify to a point where my body triggers spontaneous contractions, resulting in a Super-O.

    -Once the Super-O subsides, I simply continue visualizing and re-charging the sensations until another Super-O occurs, and then another, and so on. It becomes easier and easier to re-create the Super-O's, the longer I remain focused on the imaginary sensations of ejaculating.

    -Generally, I can keep this going for as long as I keep visualizing, experiencing a Super-O perhaps every 3-15 minutes, without ever using any physical effort or voluntary contractions.

    -I don't know why, but for some reason the key to this technique for me is to specifically visualize experiencing the feeling of ejaculation as vividly as possible. The more clearly and continuously I do this, the more quickly and powerfully the Super-O's occur.

    * I also combine other techniques in my sessions like KSMO and Amygdala Clicking, but that's a whole different topic of discussion. I believe that relaxed visualization alone is enough to produce a Super-O, provided one is already feeling at least moderate pleasure in their prostate.
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    Pan

    Those spontaneous contractions that trigger the super O, are they rythmic and orderly, or wild and spasmic? I get lots of spasm contractions when I'm really enjoying the pleasure, and I never get the kind of 0.8second contractions like during ejaculation.

    Also, maybe you can answer my question for Alex about what it feels like when you're on the brink.. :)
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    Smoke some pot... I'm serious. The sensations happen way quicker and are more intense.
  • Pan
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    I know what you mean with those random contractions. They feel great, but not quite orgasmic, right? Sort of a teasing pleasure, without a sense of release?

    In my experience, the Super-O is essentially the opposite. It always occurs as a pattern of rhythmic contractions, and includes a feeling of climax and release.

    Although the contractions do always follow a rhythmic pattern, the patterns themselves can vary quite a bit, depending on the intensity of the Super-O.

    For instance, a "regular" sized Super-O will usually create contractions at close to the same rate as ejaculation, although for me it's always just a little bit slower, perhaps once every .7 or .6 seconds. The pattern of contractions almost always lasts a little longer than the typical ejaculation pattern. Perhaps 30 seconds or more, for a regular sized Super-O.

    Generally speaking, the more intense the Super-O is, the longer the individual contractions as well as the overall pattern. For instance, a strong Super-O may include contractions every .3 seconds and continue on for a couple minutes or more. At the most intense levels, I can experience individual contractions lasting for one second each, which may go on for several minutes at a time. The overall feeling is one of "cumming in slow motion."

    As for what it feels like on the brink -

    Well, I would compare it to the feeling of passing the "Point of No Return" during normal intercourse or masturbation, but prior to ejaculation. Actually, that's why I use the "ejaculation visualization" method, because the feelings just prior to a Super-O and just prior to ejaculatory orgasm are very similiar. They both include a feeling of "peaking sensation" around the prostate, so I find that visualizing the feeling of that peaking sensation associated wih ejaculation sort of fools my body into thinking it's about to ejaculate, which results in the spontaneous contractions of the Super-O.

    To me, being on the brink, feels like being "stuck at the top" of an ejaculation, just before the contractions occur. It's a strange mix of intense pleasure and intense frustration as the prostate feels highly stimulated, but without the spontaneous reflex of muscular contractions, there's no sense of release.

    In the past, I often found myself in this position, trying to manipulate my sphincter muscles in the just the right way to induce those involuntary contractions and finally bring myself over that edge. What I found is that, by simply relaxing and visualizing myself ejaculating, my body will get the message, and take itself over the edge without any effort or interferrence on my part.





  • Thanks for the tips guys! I think visualization is going to be the key for me too. I am almost certainly trying too hard to "force" an orgasm, by contracting harder or shifting my positiong. Both of which turn out to have no result, or worse bring me down a bit. All part of the unlearning process I suppose. I feel like if I *have* to go harder/faster/etc or nothing will happen. It is very hard to relax when you are on the brink like that.

    As for what it feels like, it is hard to describe. :) It's a growing tingly sensation... since I am contracting my PC muscle, it feels like a constant "pulling in". As it builds, my hands and feet start to twitch, my pulse races, and I start sweating tons. This is very distracting to say the least. I hope those sensations will lessen if I can train myself to relax more.
  • Pan
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    Originally Posted By: Alex G
    As for what it feels like, it is hard to describe. :) It's a growing tingly sensation... since I am contracting my PC muscle, it feels like a constant \"pulling in\". As it builds, my hands and feet start to twitch, my pulse races, and I start sweating tons. This is very distracting to say the least. I hope those sensations will lessen if I can train myself to relax more.


    Yeah, that experience sounds very familiar. I found that the effort of using contractions as I approached the Super-O, tended to result in more tension throughout the rest of my body, and like you said, that becomes a distraction from the pleasure.

    It's fine to use a little contraction here and there in the beginning, just to get the feeling going. But once you feel distinct pleasure in your prostate, my advice would be to relax your body and focus entirely on that "tingly sensation." Use erotic fantasy to convince yourself that the tingly feeling is actually an ejaculatory orgasm that keeps getting stronger and stronger. If you maintain this single point of focus long enough, you'll reach that state of "critical mass" B. Mayfield was talking about and sail right over the edge.

    :-)

  • hulahula
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    Some excellent posts above. I would just like to add that for me, each Aneros experience is different, as is each peak moment. As far as visualization, I sometimes experience a sensation close to my "reargasm" that my anus is growing bigger in diameter, spreading across my buttocks, looking something like a really big pancake nipple. When I get this sensation, and visualize it happening, I seem to go to a higher level.
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    seems to me that the way to get there is becoming really full of complex methods, even though these methods have a valid result.
    My experience is such that I do have all the fantastic sensations, yes, they are almost mind blowing, yet, no "SUPER O" So, I have decided no ignore all of the expert posts with their actually complex ideas of super o reailization and just "wait" till it happens... you and me both 'Joe"
  • Pan
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    Ok Geezer, I gotta ask, what exactly did you find complicated about the technique I described here? Perhaps I used too many words explaining it, but you could sum it up as, "just relax and imagine you're cumming until you start cumming, then do it again." Seriously now, how "complex" is that?
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    Originally Posted By: Pan
    Excellent posting as always B. :-)

    I also use visualization as my primary technique, the only difference is, I use fantasies that are entirely focused on penile stimulation and ejaculation. At this point, my sessions mainly consist of:

    1. Inserting the device and just relaxing for about 20 minutes.
    2. Watching some erotic videos to enhance my mood.
    3. Turning down the lights, putting on some music, closing my eyes and enjoying erotic fantasies that focus on stimulation of my penis and experiencing ejaculatory orgasm.

    -The more vividly I imagine the sensations of my penis being stimulated and experiencing a continuous state of ejaculation, (without actually touching myself, using voluntary contractions, or physically "doing anything") the more sensitive my prostate feels, resulting in more and more pleasure.

    -Eventually, the sensations in my prostate intensify to a point where my body triggers spontaneous contractions, resulting in a Super-O.

    -Once the Super-O subsides, I simply continue visualizing and re-charging the sensations until another Super-O occurs, and then another, and so on. It becomes easier and easier to re-create the Super-O's, the longer I remain focused on the imaginary sensations of ejaculating.

    -Generally, I can keep this going for as long as I keep visualizing, experiencing a Super-O perhaps every 3-15 minutes, without ever using any physical effort or voluntary contractions.

    -I don't know why, but for some reason the key to this technique for me is to specifically visualize experiencing the feeling of ejaculation as vividly as possible. The more clearly and continuously I do this, the more quickly and powerfully the Super-O's occur.

    * I also combine other techniques in my sessions like KSMO and Amygdala Clicking, but that's a whole different topic of discussion. I believe that relaxed visualization alone is enough to produce a Super-O, provided one is already feeling at least moderate pleasure in their prostate.


    Pan,

    I am just curious, what do you mean with "techniques...like KSMO and Amygdala Clicking"? I don't know if they are clear for everybody, but they are not for me...

    Thank you
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
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    Originally Posted By: geezer
    seems to me that the way to get there is becoming really full of complex methods, even though these methods have a valid result.
    My experience is such that I do have all the fantastic sensations, yes, they are almost mind blowing, yet, no \\\"SUPER O\\\" So, I have decided no ignore all of the expert posts with their actually complex ideas of super o reailization and just \\\"wait\\\" till it happens... you and me both 'Joe\\\"


    Geezer,

    I think you may be missing the point of Pan's comments and my own. Although we both took some time to outline steps (techniques), the main thrust of our posts WAS itself non-technique. Visualization is simply about people moving away from nervously contemplating technique and steps, when they should be ENJOYING THEMSELVES.

    The concept of following sensation is simple as well. I hope you re-evaluate your decision on this one because I think it may be of real value to you.

    BF Mayfield
  • Pan
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    (this post was edited 2005-09-10 11:21:18)

    Originally Posted By: Permasto
    I am just curious, what do you mean with "techniques...like KSMO and Amygdala Clicking"? I don't know if they are clear for everybody, but they are not for me...

    Thank you


    Actually Permasto, neither of those techniques is widely known, so it's perfectly understandable if you're not familiar with them. I felt obligated to mention that I use them in addition to visualization, but I didn't want to drag the conversation too far off topic.

    Anyway, in simple terms:

    "KSMO" is Key Sound Multiple Orgasm. It's a revolutionary new technique for experiencing multiple orgasms. I guess you could call it "simplified Tantra." You can read more about it at www.multiples.com.

    "Amygdala Clicking" is a method of self-improvement that enables you to stimulate the pleasure centers of your brain (septal regions) through visualization. You can read more about it here http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/sex.html.....and here...... http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/viewzone/amygdala.html.



    And B. Mayfield, thanks for saying it more eloquently than I could.

    ;-)

  • Woohoo, I think I finally got it! Strong visualization definitely did the trick! I tried to lay as still as possible without tensing up, and concentrate only on the building sensation, and pictured myself having great sex. It was a bit weird trying to imagine myself ejaculating before I actually had an orgasm, but I guess it really worked. :) I felt myself beginning to orgasm and tried to strengthen the visual. Then I just kept that up for like 2 minutes of this purely amazing feeling "rolling" orgasm. Holy crap! :) And I was able to bring it back up 3 more times with very little effort. Thanks everyone!! I think I'm getting addicted.

    BTW, I just switched tonight to KY from ID Glide... not sure it made the difference but it sure is nicer to put on (doesn't drip all over the place).
  • Pan
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    Way to go Alex!

    It sounds like you've got the hang of it. As you get better at visualizing, the Super-O's will keep getting better too.

    Enjoy! :-)