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how much own force is "right"?
  • grayfox
    Posts: 81
    hey guys,

    after almost a 3/4 year now I've already reached sth like 3-5 super-Os but I'm struggeling for the last couple of weeks because my body seems to tell me a different story every new session. I've reached the best results by clamping pretty hard (probably 70-80%) and holding this level for as long as possible. But then there are session where this seems to be absolutely counter-productive.
    In the opposite, just relaxing and applying no or very low physical force at all doesn't get me any further as well. It can definitely generate some good feelings but they won't get me over a certain level.

    So I'm really puzzled all the time and a lot of my sessions end up in me spending my whole energy in experimenting what's the best way to build or at least maintain pleasure. I'd be much happier if I could be sure that I'm on the right track and concentrate on my feelings but as soon as the first couple of pleasure waves subside I'm like "okay this doesn't seem to get me further so lets change something". Again: This doesn't necessarily mean more physical force although I had my best results with it.

    How did you do this? When do you know that your current set of input-stimuli is the right or wrong mix? Do you just lay there for an hour waiting for the one wave that will start the building process or how does this work?
  • Would love to know the answer to this one myself. Sorry I don't have an answer for you.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    grayfox,

    When we have success with a certain technique or process there can creep into our thinking an expectation for success each time that technique is employed. Unfulfilled expectations lead to frustration. I detect from your post a certain level of frustration due to an inability to duplicate prior results.

    I am sure you have read on this Forum of the many reasons/conditions which can impede progress toward a Super-O. You asked "When do you know that your current set of input-stimuli is the right or wrong mix?" IMHO, this line of thinking is perhaps a bit judgmental and unnecessarily so! The 'right or wrong' - 'good or bad' thinking can be a logic trap to narrow your possibilities for action.

    Every Anerosession is a new and unique opportunity to experience yourself, your current mood and attitude greatly effect the outcome of that session. If your initial arousal level is insufficient, your Aneros massager will have little to work with and amplify. If your mind is preoccupied with distracting thoughts, you will be unable to focus the subtle sensations and energy necessary to build toward a Super-O. If your body is sore or tired, it will not respond as it might otherwise. If privacy or time constraints exist, these too will impede the free development of pleasure waves.

    The range of possible techniques one may employ may be thought of as a scale, like tastes from sour to sweet. Neither extreme is right or wrong, it is just what you are in the mood for at the time. Likewise your Aneros technique may need adjustment as your mood condition changes. Some days an Anerosession may be entirely inappropriate and attempting to 'force' a session will only be counterproductive, regardless of technique.

    Only you can determine when conditions are conducive to good Anerosessions. I know the memory of previous pleasures from Super-O's is a strong lure to entice one into more sessions, but the likelihood of success is dependent on a lot of factors, not just one's desire for the pleasure. You need to make an honest evaluation of your current mental state to determine if an Anerosession is going to be worthwhile or likely successful. When the conditions are appropriate, when you just 'Let Go' and follow your pleasure technique of the moment, the P-waves are likely to flow freely, carrying you once again to a Super-O.
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    I learned how to dry O through willful contraction first, and then used the confidence that I *could* to teach myself to relax and "surrender" to the experience. In your case, I'd suggest starting with surrender now - letting it happen (maybe with no more than a "first push"'to get things rolling, if necessary) - with the confidence in the back of your mind that you can force it later if you need to. While "surrendered," think of or expose yourself to as much arousal stimuli as possible, and experience your Aneros activity as the manifestation of that arousal, and see how high it will take you.

    In practice, I taught myself the mindset of surrender with that confidence that I could force it if I needed to, but you know?, I don't think I ever ended up actually doing so. The surrender mentality got me so much further. The effort, in my opinion and experience, should be directed purely toward keeping the mind aroused, and then letting the body simply respond to that.

    Hope this might help!
  • I agree with Tremelo. I found that in my early experimentation I forced things too much. Nothing much would happen. I finally just let my body decide what it needed and when it needed it. Then things really began to happen. Since becoming rewired I have Super-O's 90-95% of the time.
    Moving to the next plateau, I not only let my body decide, but quite often fight it. I deny my body. If it wants a deeper thrust for example, I push back. I tease myself.
    At a point, you have to give in but by then it is amazing.
    Sometimes when it makes the perfect sweet spot contact, I try to keep in right in that spot by either clamping or releasing whichever the case may be.
    I have found the Peridise to be great trainers in developing my level of precision of positioning.
    The more you consciously manipulate things, the less you will be transported to the unknown and the amazing.
    So you don't think I sound contradictory, what I mean by that is forcing (the original question) the rhythmic in and out thrust mimicking trad sex.
    There's a big difference in that and what I am referring to as precision positioning and teasing or denial.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    [QUOTE=Carolinaguy;90465].... snip... The more you consciously manipulate things, the less you will be transported to the unknown and the amazing.
    So, ...don't think I sound contradictory, what I mean by that is forcing (the original question) the rhythmic in and out thrust mimicking trad sex.
    There's a big difference in that and what I am referring to as precision positioning and teasing or denial.

    @ Carolina guy -- you got it man. Divine stuff this, "precision" in the most minor of gentle denial and tease. It rocks and really threads the needle !!

    I'm a bit (perhaps a week) behind Carolina Guy on this one. (have to work on pacing)

    Employing quiet denial and teasing the prostate -- getting my prostate strung out without satisfaction is my expression of the control I'd been missing in Super-O land. It's perhaps the extreme opposite of 'forcing it.' I'm getting to be a real quick change artist in teasing with the Peridise then swapping out to a Eupho and falling into the arms of pelvic orgasms.

    This gets me extreme pleasure as an alternative to my more conventional soaring Super-O. (Perhaps an analog of the classic "short time" sessions in Trad-O country.)

    Product idea: A two-stage tool that would start out as an anal stimulator (a la Peridise) then easily slide inward to become a full fledged Aneros.
  • grayfox
    Posts: 81
    okay...

    it then seems like getting properly aroused is the thing I should be working on. I have to admit that this is pretty difficult for me since I can hardly find any porn on the net that really turns me on and there also is a massive lack of naked women in my place :)
    I've already figured out that having sessions tired/stressed or just not in the mood is a terrible idea. I will also ommit the traditional orgasm at the end of my sessions and probably decrease my schedule to onc session per week. Does that sound good?

    Sometimes it feels like I just got a machine running but it's superhard to keep it running because I have to concentrate all of my feelings and thoughts on this. Especially having arousing thoughts is very difficult when there's so much trash in my mind (not necessarily stress). It's like trying to think of nothing which is kinda impossible for me.
    Additionally, when this machine is working it sometimes feels like it gets faster and faster but then suddendly there is a stronger involuntary contraction which turns the machine close to off.
  • I my opinion the secret is become as aroused as possible with the least possible stimulation. That way when you get close to cumming, you can really clamp down and push yourself over the edge. If you have been going crazy with the stimulation, you might stuck on the edge of orgasm. The prostate becomes somewhat numb from over stimulation, and you have no way to increase it.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    grayfox,

    I think you have the positive direction you need to take in mind. Video pornography is one form of stimulation to increase arousal but another, perhaps even more powerful form, is reading erotic literature. When you read something your mind starts using the story line to create mental images and your own creativity starts to fill in the fantasy details. When the mental fantasy becomes strong enough , the body will start to follow along. You may want to read 'Pan's responses in The five minutes leading up to a Super-O thread for some help with this approach.
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    Ironically, just lately, I've been *writing* erotica, just in my mind during my sessions. That is, I focus my attention on weaving my own little fantasy narrative (which is, not incidentally, much easier than "thinking about nothing"), and then experiencing my arousal as I build up the story. (I'm not too strict about it - it can jump around between earlier and later - but I stay focused on the same scenario.) This has the added benefit of keeping my attention *away* from interfering with my experience below.

    Also, grayfox, do you have any porn that you like the *sound* of? My first couple (very successful) months of Aneros usage were accompanied by porn *sound* in my iPod, and I found that tremendously helpful. I found I could hear *her* pleasure in the audio and experience that as shimmers and ripples in my own body.

    Finally, just for the record, but I'm NOT in favor of the "less is more" strategy - to my mind, a week is long enough to forget so much that you've learned - but "less often" is the prevailing wisdom around here. I'm more of a fiend myself. ;-)
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    [QUOTE=Tremelo;90474]... Finally, just for the record, but I'm NOT in favor of the "less is more" strategy - to my mind, a week is long enough to forget so much that you've learned - but "less often" is the prevailing wisdom around here. I'm more of a fiend myself. ;-)

    Slightly OT.

    Yup, I'm finding that between the 3rd and 4th day after any Aneros orgasms the butt-buzz and need to be fulfilled begins to wane. So eight or more sessions a month is about right.

    I'm also finding that I no longer need to conserve semen to the degree that I did before I Super-O'd. My libido regenerates much faster than it used to. ...rook
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    [QUOTE=rook;90468].)

    Product idea: A two-stage tool that would start out as an anal stimulator (a la Peridise) then easily slide inward to become a full fledged Aneros.

    I use many of my models this way by only inserting them part way and holding them in place for a while. this seems to work the best with the progasm as there is a valley between the two bulges that will stay in place all by itself. this position provides great sensations and when I feel the time is right, I just give it a push in all the way. I think by using the models in this way they become more of an anal stimulator rather than a prostrate stimulator
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    Whoa, thhn, that sounds like a VERY cool thing to try! Will see if I can do that with either of my smaller devices, will probably have better luck with the Eupho than the Helix.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    I think it was Rumel that made a post a year or two ago about using a short piece of foam pipe insulation as a spacer between the aneros and your ass, which does work quite well. I like to hold on to it myself, that way I can give it a minor twist or turn to generate new sensations.
    for me, I like using the progasm like this. it generates the most intense sensations plus will stay in place about half way in
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    thhn,

    As much as I'd like to take credit for some of the good ideas offered on this site, in this case I can not. Actually, I think it was a post by 'hlaser99' a while back who originally proposed a foam type spacer. I can't remember the name of the thread but I did copy the photo he used to demonstrate the concept and here is a copy of it.
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    When making your spacer you will need to account for 'shrinkage' since the foam is soft and compresses quite well.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    right you are rumel.... now I recall that he cut the tail off a fleshlite to make the spacer. I guess I was the one who used foam pipe insulation
    sorry about the confusion