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Aneros and dope, the best thing since Rum and Cola
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    The fact that this combo is such a great fit, helping beginners and advanced Aneros users alike, perhaps this for some is threatening. Perhaps they feel 'their' Aneros is getting marginalised by such a synergy. A synergy that in effect is stronger, more longlasting and healthier than MDMA. Each of the synergistic parts create a high in itself, but when combined it BLOWS YOU AWAY.
    Perhaps it'll be like the story of Methamphetimine, one of the elements is ephedrine, which was used in coughdrinks etc, was completely legal, until the meth epedemic swept the country. They knew they couldn't stop the illegal use of meth but they did know they could make illegal the use of ephedrine.....

    Perhaps Aneros users are scared if this endorphine avalanche created by this combo ever caught on it would spread like a meth plague over the country....

    Would the authority's outlaw weed? Nope, it already is, yep, they'll outlaw the one that's still legal.

    The point being: Aneros, currently legal, USE IT WHILE YOU CAN!

    How should Aneros look at this?

    A threat or an opportunity. I'd say an opportunity, how many ppl smoke dope in the US? how many ppl that don't would smoke if they knew about the Aneros combo? There's a HUGE market when users combine!!
    Like cigarettes and alcohol but healthier.

    This to me is an opportunity for Aneros, penetrate the market as soon as possible, get things going, cash in before the authorities catch on, cause they will
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello People, :)


    I just want to add my own experiences with this for a counter opinion on this subject. Just recently I was able to try getting high a number of times prior to Aneros sessions. And for my body, it doesn't seem to be helpful at all. I only had one session that was mildly interesting. The others, I just felt too high to even be interested in sexual pleasure, let alone Aneros. For me it seems like weed has a similar effect as alcohol on me. In that sexual desire, sensations, and interest are numbed and flee when using them. One of the problems was trying to get the right dosage. Most of the time I was just too plain damn high to do much of anything. The one session where I had some sensation and interest I was just lightly high. But I still felt out of touch with my body and sensations during the Aneros session.

    I'm not against people using weed or alcohol. It's their own bodies and they choose what they want to do with it. But using weed to achieve super-O's with Aneros sessions may not work for everyone. But it was an interesting experiment to try. In the end I found it to be more of a distraction, as I didn't feel as in touch with my body. And I wasn't able to have my regular sessions, as often times the arousal and interest wasn't there. So I'll be happy to get back into the swing of things with regular Aneros sessions now that include all the nice sensations and arousal.


    Love_is
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    So what was your method of intake?(smoke, eat, vaporize it?)
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    OK guys,

    Assuming you could standardize the substance and the dose, do you think that:
    a. The Aneros is just amplifying and/or focusing the hallucinogenic effect of the weed; or,
    b. Weed, at it's "optimal dose" is opening the brain to the Aneros stim.

    Answer quickly before the "thought police" kill us. :)



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  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hi Helixer, :)

    Sorry, I forgot to mention my intake method was smoking with a pipe. Are you suggesting that perhaps the intake method may effect the out come of how well weed works with Aneros sessions?

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    Hello Rook, :)

    I obviously don't have the experience of weed turning my Aneros sessions into super-O's. But my take on it is that perhaps for some people weed puts them into the right frame of mind, or a trance that allows them to be open to these sensations and experiences the Aneros creates. I suspect you'll get a better answer from the folks that have had success with the weed method though. LOL

    Love_is
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Hmm, 'optimum'dose....That's a hardun...how would you know? you only get one shot, maybe in a parallel universe the less or more would have been better.
    I do think in general I do overdose a bit, I could probably take much less, but still, the way I do it always produces great results.

    Normally I get hasj and sprinkle it on chocolate or whatever to mask te taste, next time I think I'll just sprinkle it in yoghurt and down it this way it won't even get stuck in my teeth....
    I think the problem with Love_is method is not only that it's damaging to your lungs and unhealthy way of taking it....it's also instantaneous, you're high straight away, this IMO is where it goes wrong.
    After I've eaten the hasj I try and take a dump and empty my bowls and then I do what I normally do. It used to take about an hour to get into the O-zone when sober...but at the same time the effect of the hash is gradually taking effect. So when it does takeover you're already completely focussed on the orgasmic feelings of the Aneros and then the hasj starts working and it just amplifies what you were already feeling...that's when the Super O normally happens.
    Still I agree with Love_is that if the focus isn't there you'll get too distracted...That's why eating it is best, if you can't get hasj perhaps make some Weedabix....Still when high your body is highly receptive and really sensitive, with alcohol it is the complete opposite. The only problem is sometimes you can't keep your focus on your body sensations coz creative thoughts start creeping into your head(at least they seem that way at the time ;) but if you're already Super O-ing then, youre just not intensifying....you're cumming and having fun...

    The next day your body is less sensitive, (but I can still benefit at least a week from the subdued effects of the thc), but your body is still extremely responsive and sensitive, this IMO is the best time now you can really keep your focus and incorporate what you learnt the previous day when high.
    Normally first thing I do when I wake up the next day is make a cup of coffee and do the ksmo, 'the day after'that gives an amazing effect!

    Hope this made sense, it's really hot here, the heat is making me a little incoherent

    Again: don't use it to often, every month or 2 months is best.
  • petard
    Posts: 27
    [QUOTE=rook;89319]
    Assuming you could standardize the substance and the dose, do you think that:
    a. The Aneros is just amplifying and/or focusing the hallucinogenic effect of the weed; or,
    b. Weed, at it's "optimal dose" is opening the brain to the Aneros stim.
    ??

    For me it's b. For better or worse, I find that weed greatly enhances my ability to visualize, fantasize, and sustain vivid imagination. At the same time it makes me feel more attuned to my body, more patient, more receptive. These qualities combined help me to explore the sensations emanating from my prostate, with or without Aneros (mostly without).
  • Anon17564
    Posts: 57
    Personally, I smoke the stuff but I don't own an aneros yet (hello again everyone - will probably be moving out this autumn, so depending on circumstances where I end up... :) )

    Just for normal masturbation, it works amazingly well - I don't bother masturbating to completion unless I'm high now, because it's only a shadow of what it normally feels like. I've actually started getting synthasic effects on orgasm - this is going to sound ridiculous, but it feels as if the lower part of the penis can taste chocolate while orgasming. So, I'd imagine it'd work brilliantly for me when I get the aneros too. Haven't tried it with any kind of anal stim, because my bowels fill up the moment I do anything down there, and by then I'm high and can't be bothered with flushing out properly. (Tried using a shower hose, will probably try drink bottles next)

    The trouble with any kind of drug is that the human physiology has much variation - it's why, for example, different people react differently to medicines. Drugs are, after all, merely medicine taken for recreational purposes. I think it's a thing that, unless you have compunctions against using weed, you should try at least once.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Anon you owe it to yourself to buy an Aneros, I'm amazed you could be so patient!
    I agree, masturbating when stoned is also so much better, still, the pleasure you can experience in your anus and prostate, so much more fulfilling and so much more varied compared to to your penis. Once you've experienced it, you'll only be masturbating to keep your penis in shape. Seriously if you're already experiencing this with a penile orgasm, what you'll experience with an Aneros is really going to be mindblowing.

    If your health isn't much of an issue by all means take it any way you want, but why take the chance? Eating it is healthier and much better suited for the Aneros. To me thc is like candy. I treat myself every once in a while, this way when I do take it I enjoy it so much more, really you're best to do it in moderation, you'll feel better as well.
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    I want to comment once again about what Love is said that alcohol and weed do the same thing. To me this is a complete misunderstanding of the effects.
    The Aneros basically gives a female orgasm, to me weed is a female drug and alcohol is a male drug. THC makes you receptive/passive/sensitive/innerawereness thus this is a perfect fit for a female orgasm. Alcohol on the other hand makes you focus outward, makes you insensitive to your body sensations. Sure, for a traditional male sex role alcohol is ok, it can possibly even make the ugliest woman pretty and because you're less sensitive to your body sensations you can probably postpone cumming a little longer.
    But for a female orgasm of the Aneros it's a wrong fit.
    Comparing alcohol with weed when using the Aneros is thus, IMO, DEADWRONG!

    Some ppl can perhaps smoke weed and not be to high to focus on the Aneros and achieve a Super O.
    To me however, it just makes more sense to eat it coz then it takes about an hour before you first start to notice the effects of the thc, these effects gradually then get stronger. Coz if you started of at the hight of the effects of the thc (which happens sooner when smoked or vaporized) you might indeed be too fucked up to concentrate on your body.

    So you eat it, do what you normally do with your Aneros....this way your focus is already on your bodysensations and because the effect is gradual when eating it really helps to amplify and everything becomes really sensitive. Just the slightest movement can start you off on a Super O and then the effects of the thc gradually get stronger, later on you can then perhaps loose focus coz you're too fucked up, but what a ride before that happens!!!
    Last time I literally understood that every cell,not just the erogenous zones, is capable of orgasm.
    One time I had continuous dry orgasms for at least 8 hours(up until now my longest when sober has only been 10 minutes)....talk about thc helping you get into the right state!!!! mild understatement.....

    The last time I ate hasj I did it wrong, not that the experience wasn't mindblowing, I'm talking about something that's equally important, the days after.
    The days after, the week after, is a window of opportunity, use this window wisely and you'll reap the rewards permanently.
    Instead of using my Aneros however, I wasted my time arguing on this forum with Pommie who was vehemently against any use whatsoever( I thought I'd made the better arguments though, that was probably why his thread was closed, in short A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME)

    The days after while sober you can still ride out the high, but now without being completely fucked up, you can make use of the newly discovered pathways(the extra rewiring)and the extra sensitivity. If you're not as fortunate as I am, I recommend you take a week off 1 day stoned and the rest of the time just benefitting from this window of opportunity.

    Last time I used was a month ago, normally I'd wait another month, this month however I'll do it sooner, after all with the cardinal climax approaching I don't want to take any chances Rare ?Cardinal Climax? Planetary Alignment This Summer Puts Stocks at Risk, says Veteran Sky Watcher - Hewitt Heiserman -- Seeking Alpha

    If the world is going to fuck I won't feel so bad when I'm Super O-ing. In the worst case my Super O will become a Super D, if not I'll probably look foolish but at least I will have had a good time ;)
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Helixer, :)


    I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to get across. I totally agree that weed and alcohol have totally different effects upon the body/mind. But for myself from a sexual and arousal point of view, they both have the same effect of loss of interest and ability. Even conventional sex with a woman, or masturbation, I'm pretty much useless in those states of mind. My point in posting my experience was to show that not necessarily everyone will respond the same way to various substances. So that people don't get the expectation that weed and Aneros use will always lead one to super-O's. It depends on the person. I think it's great that you are so enthusiastic about it, as it seems to work amazingly well for you and others here. I wish I could say the same for myself.


    I totally would experiment with ingesting THC if that were an easy option to acquire for me. As it makes sense that you can start out the Aneros session sober, and then it slowly kicks in. I like to keep an open mind. So perhaps someday that will be an option for me to try. Thanks for all the good information. :)


    Love_is
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    One of the sayings on this forum is to let go of expectations. Generally that's good advice at least if it gets in the way of focussing on/becoming aware of subtle feelings in your body. But when it comes to thc I'd be really aware of what you're expecting. I guess some ppl might try it to prove me wrong, others my try it with mixed feelings as they were always told that it was bad.
    All thc does is amp up what you're feeling expecting, in this case whatever you focus on/expect gets intensified. Perhaps some ppl might go in with the thought it's dangerous, then YES for them it will be dangerous. Others might go in with the expectation it's not going to work, then of course they'll get what they want.

    So I'd say expectation is important with thc, it's important for where you focus your awareness.

    A long time ago when I used to smoke the stuff every day it never affected me the same. Nowadays I'm pretty useless and I definitely wouldn't even go outside high. I used to be great making music on the guitar, now I'd just get paranoid when I'd pick up the guitar. But even if I'm totally scatterbrained when I'm high now, I experience a hightened sensitivity+horniness and awareness(so if you have that at least I'd definitely recommend eating it), which IMO makes it ideal for the Aneros.
    Still I think if I was high before I put the Aneros in, what happens when smoking, I might loose focus and interest like you do. Maybe ppl that smoke regularly wouldn't have that problem, but if you do like I do maybe once every two months you're definitely making it harder on yourself doing it this way.As you say yourself I'm pretty much useless in those states of mind

    Again the advantages of EATING it:
    -healthier(no polluting your lungs)
    -gradual impact, mirroring the impact of the Aneros
    -nothing gets wasted, 100% gets used
    -when you smoke it to make it burn properly you generally use it with tobacco, if you don't smoke the nicotine that's in tobacco is highly addictive so smoking cannabis might get you addicted(and perhaps make you think you are addicted to cannabis when in reality you're addicted to nicotine)

    Perhaps it's many factors not just the weed. Things really took off when I stopped using my Aneros in bed. Now I always use it in the livingroom, so I have easy access to munchies + porn. Also my 2 seater couch is ideal. I lie back with both my feet and my head raised, a chair behind the coach just in case I want to stretch my legs(what gives amazing feelings is having my left leg stretched and my right knee up and raised at the side) I like to vary coz then I feel I'm hitting my prostate from all angles.
    Still I always start lying back on the coach with both knees raised under a cushion, feet pointing down. Just lie back do the deep breathing and holding and very subtle contractions then wait till I feel at least something then when that diminishes I change position.
    Anyways that's my normal routine, then after about an hour the thc starts to kick in and the good feelings become mindblowing

    Just lie back and relax and focus on the good feelings and just be assured that as the thc gradually takes effect your body will become hypersensitive, pretend you haven't even taken anything, just focus on the feelings and you'll be amazed how good it's going to make you feel.

    If all this doesn't help to get you rewired at the very least, then give up coz IMO nothing else will work ;)

    One last exercise: this is an exercise I use during my ksmo and Aneros sessions just to get the chi flowing and to heighten my bodyawareness.

    1`)Breath thru your nose and notice how the inbreath is cold and the outbreath is warm
    2)Pretend you're breathing this way from your perineum, that you have a mouth or a nose there and imagine it getting cold and warm, you can perhaps even imagine that your circeling the area with an imaginery finger. Now move up to the area of your (b) pubic bone, slightly above your penis and do the same move up again (c) your navel . Also only move to the next area when you feel like a tinteling feeling emanating from where your focussing your awareness. (d)solar plexus (e)heart (f)_throat (g) third eye (h)top op head (i)back of head) (j)back of heart (k)back of solar plexus etc then start again.

    Now as your feeling this tinteling over your whole body start again now with subtle contractions.

    Anyways this might help to learn how to get body awareness and learn to focus on subtle feelings and intensify them
  • ViggenViggen
    Posts: 20
    has anyone tryed legal hurbal buds or hurbal pills with there aneros sessions yet? I for one can not smoke or eat anything ilegal because of where I work. Thanks
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Helixer, :)

    Good observations and thoughts!

    Maybe ppl that smoke regularly wouldn't have that problem, but if you do like I do maybe once every two months you're definitely making it harder on yourself doing it this way. For me it's typically even less often than that. Maybe once or twice a year. I can't foresee doing this somewhat regularly again like I did in my youth.

    -when you smoke it to make it burn properly you generally use it with tobacco, if you don't smoke the nicotine that's in tobacco is highly addictive so smoking cannabis might get you addicted(and perhaps make you think you are addicted to cannabis when in reality you're addicted to nicotine) I've never heard of anyone smoking weed and tobacco together. And as a non-smoker, with the exception of occasional weed, I wouldn't want to. It's certainly not necessary at all. Weed burns just fine on it's own. And the little piece I was given a while back was pure bud. :D

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    Hello Viggen, :)

    has anyone tryed legal hurbal buds or hurbal pills with there aneros sessions yet? I for one can not smoke or eat anything ilegal because of where I work. Thanks I have not. But I have tried smoking “legal herb” before many years ago. It's a scam. It obviously does not have any THC in it, or it would be illegal to sell. So thusly it had no effect to alter my state of consciousness.

    Some other users here have experimented with Salvia Divinorum.
    Salvia divinorum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It can be smoked, fresh leaves chewed and swallowed, or made into a tea or tincture. And is generally legal, but not in all states and countries. So inform yourself first of the area you live in if this is a problem with your job. Here's some forum thread links about it:

    http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/salvia-divinorum-arousal-facilitator-11374/

    http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/drugs-aneros-11210/


    Love_is
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I've never heard of anyone smoking weed and tobacco together. And as a non-smoker, with the exception of occasional weed, I wouldn't want to. It's certainly not necessary at all. Weed burns just fine on it's own. And the little piece I was given a while back was pure bud. :D

    Guess it's different in different parts of the world. I thought most ppl smoked joints. Maybe a pipe is different,but what I can remember that too was 'sharp' on the throat and less sharp with a little tobacco, like the joints. Smoking pure (without tabacco)joints was sore on the throat also the joint burned badly without tabacco. Anyways, that's just my experience I'm certainly not advocating smoking with tabacco I'm against smoking period.

    I think the problem with smoking as well, if you don't smoke, is not only does it make you feel sick, because it's not pleasant you don't take very much in. Compare that with the 100% culinary intake. Sure my hasj brownies aren't exactly haute cuisine but they'll do the trick.

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    Vriggen:

    it's hard finding a substitute, but I think the main characteristic should be that the drug has feminine qualities to suit the feminine orgasm of the Aneros. For me thc is the perfect fit and a harmless drug(softdrug). Perhaps a google search for legal substances that are similar to thc?
  • It helps with sensation awareness, but hurts focus. And while it is a great combo, I think it hurts the rewiring process (or at least it doesn't seem to help sessions w/o it).
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Well if going from feeling nothing to Super O's and having 8hr dry orgasms is 'hurting the re-wiring process' I guess I just can't reason with some ppl.
    Sure after eating my hasj brownies I always experience better orgasms than when I'm sober, but that doesn't take anything away from the fact that, even when sober, I have really good sessions, no more dud sessions for me thanks to thc!
    Once learnt(re-wired)not easily forgotten.Anyway as you say yourself:"

    It helps with sensation awareness

    " IMO awareness and re-wiring is the same thing. Some ppl are so focussed on achieving a Super O or expect it to be as obvious as a penile orgasm miss the subtle signs along the way. Now, with thc the subtle signs get magnified that's why it DOES aid the re-wiring process.

    Still whose to say that when HIH accidently discovered the hidden benefit of the medical device that was designed for ppl with prostate(cancer)problems....whose to say that one of those pioneers that had a Super O wasn't on some kind of medication that helped induce the Super O?
  • Anon17564
    Posts: 57
    This is off from the discussion we have going at the moment, but I think this thread would be made more useful if it took on an instructional tone.

    It was already mentioned how eating weed will possibly suit the aneros experience more, and furthermore is healthier to the lungs. I believe it also works out to be more efficient, transferring more of the THC into your body. For anyone just looking into it now, these aren't the only two ways to take THC. There's also the option of a Vaporizer, a device which heats the product to a high temperature to cause the THC on the bud to vaporize, allowing you to breathe it in. This is at a much lower temperature than smoking, releases all of the THC without destroying any of it as smoking does, and it doesn't lift the harmful by-products from the plant matter, making it as harmful as breathing plain air. This is expensive, though.

    Does anybody know any good/easy recipes for making THC edible? I'm aware, although this may be a fallacy as I've not tried it, that it has to actually be cooked to be made viable; unfortunately I'm a total klutz when it comes to cooking, so I've not tried anything yet.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Personally I prefer hasj, it saves sifting out the leaves and branches that tend to give a headache. But if (good) hasj isn't an option I'd make sure you get a good grinder if you don't have one already, making powder out of the weed makes it easier to apply to food.

    For some reason I'm inclined to eat hasj with something sweet and weed with something warm, it probably doesn't matter either way. I think the main thing is just eating it and masking the taste.If you don't cook just go to McDonalds or something and buy a big mac and sprinkle(copious amounts of) the weed powder on it.

    The next time I'm just going to down it with yoghurt, IMO there's no logical reason hasj has to be eaten with something sweet.

    Thus no special recipe, just eat it stupid!
  • petard
    Posts: 27
    [QUOTE=Anon17564;89477]Does anybody know any good/easy recipes for making THC edible? I'm aware, although this may be a fallacy as I've not tried it, that it has to actually be cooked to be made viable...

    I've heard of people eating cannabis uncooked, but it is far more efficient to extract the THC into butter or oil by applying heat. Extracting the THC into a fat renders it easier for your body to absorb, since it is soluble in fat but not water.

    The problem with most "cannabutter" recipes on the internet is that they recommend using excessive amounts of butter, requiring you to eat upwards of a tablespoon to feel any effects, which in itself is a health hazard. I would use no more than 1 tablespoon of coconut oil (or butter) per 1g of bud. Assuming that 1g of bud can get you high five times if smoked, your cannabutter dosage would be one-fifth of a tablespoon, which can easily be melted into a small cup of chai or an espresso (no need to bake brownies). It should be consumed on an empty stomach and at least 20 minutes before a meal for optimal effects.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    As a medical marijuana patient, I have to say my favorite edible medication from my local dispensary is cannabis (hash oil) infused honey. I keep it next to my bed at all times. Just a few drops of honey on the tongue is enough to have me fully medicated in under 10 minutes. Since the honey literally melts in my mouth, it's instantly absorbed regardless of how recently or how much I've eaten. I have even used this stuff in the middle of eating large meals and gotten the full benefits immediately, every time. And to top it all off, it tastes like honey! :)

    For a heat-free extraction method, I've read one can extract the cannabanoids (including THC) by simply mixing the finely ground buds into some peanut butter and letting it sit for a few days. From what I understand, the oil from the PB (probably best to get the unprocessed kind) will create an effective extraction within 24 hours, but the extraction continues over a few days, making the PB more potent with each passing day. Of course, I haven't tried any of this...

    Questions for Helixer -

    You keep mentioning THC in your posts, are you familiar with CBD and how it interacts with THC? Do you think there are significant quantities of CBD in the hasj you are using? Do you happen to know what strains of cannabis the hasj you are eating is made from? Indica or Sativa? When you consume the hasj, does it make you feel more relaxed or more energized, or both?

    The reason I ask is because after all your posts about hash and THC lately, I'm still not clear as to whether you are using a stimulant or a sedative strain during these experiences you are describing. Since your intention here is to sing the praises of cannabis and it's role in your re-wiring process, please consider adding more details (whenever possible) like what strain of cannabis it was and what effects that kind of cannabis has on you overall (not just in terms of orgasmic/Aneros pleasure). How does it make you feel physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually in general? All of these factors play major roles in one's Aneros session, so knowing how the specific cannabis you use affects you (specifically), might help others guess how the same herb might affect them - specifically. ;);)

    There are just so many different kinds of people on this forum, and sooo many kinds of cannabis, I can't support recommending "THC" to all of them and expect only positive results. I completely agree with you that cannabis can be a powerful aphrodisiac for many people (myself included), but certainly not everyone. I also know for a fact, not everyone reacts well to cannabis. And even when cannabis is a good fit, using the right strain of cannabis is essential to achieving the effects you desire.

    So how about discussing the specific aphrodisiac properties of Indica vs. Sativa strains just so non-users out there can start to get a sense of what kind of cannabis might be best for them as individuals. For instance...

    Potential Aphrodisiac Benefits of Cannabis:

    General: Both strains of cannabis have aphrodisiac potential simply by increasing neurotransmitter and endorphin levels associated with it's use. Whether or not these effects are interpreted or experienced as being aphrodisiac is highly dependent on the individual consumer and a wide variety of factors including use of other medications, personality traits, overall mental, physical, and emotional well-being, etc.

    Indica Strains - Sedative, often both mentally and physically relaxing. Indica cannabis tends contain high levels of the cannabanoid CBD.

    Pros: Ideally, a good Indica will help an overly-analytical (left-brained) practitioner quiet their mind and get lost in the physical sensations, therefore potentially leading to new erotic awarenesses/re-wiring. Indicas are excellent pain-killers which could lead one to a blissful state of comfortable awareness allowing for new pleasurable sensations to be noticed and enjoyed. Overall, Indica's have a "dreamy" quality to them useful for taking little mental and physical vacations from the stresses of everyday life.

    Cons: If you're already in a depressed state, lacking energy, motivation, etc, Indicas might contribute to those problems or simply fail to improve them. Indicas are often referred to as a "night time smoke" because they tend to leave one feeling sleepy, groggy, and slightly disoriented. Obviously, not a good medication for driving or any activities which require your full attention.

    Sativas - Stimulant, energizing. Sativa strains typically contain very little CBD.

    Pros: Personally, it's been awhile since I've used them, but a good Sativa usually provides an energizing, sensation amplifying enhancement to a session. On a good Sativa, one may feel euphoric, mentally focused, emotionally uplifted, and sensually more aware and responsive. This effect could be an excellent boost for those who feel a lack of enthusiasm in their sessions, physical lethargy, boredom, etc.

    Cons: Anyone with an anxiety disorder, nervous condition, heart condition, etc should exercise extreme caution with Sativas. They are often powerful stimulants and should be respected as such.

    I would follow this up with a "General Tips For First Timers" section, another to compare ingestion methods (smoking, vaping, eating), another to compare products (flowers, hash, kief, honey oil, sublingual sprays, etc) and so on.

    So...there's my suggestion for elevating the discussion beyond "Pot Good" vs. "Pot Bad." Any takers?
  • I'm not sure HIH would allow that on their forum. When it comes to illicit substances, there's a big difference between the expression of opinions and technical instruction on use.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    I don't wish to weigh down this thread with a legal discussion. It's not my intention "instruct" anyone in anything illegal. I trust the better judgment of Aneros Support to decide what's appropriate here.

    The point of my previous post is really that as long as Helixer and others (like myself) are going to discuss cannabis use in the forum, it might as well be a productive and informative discussion. I think we can provide that by adding small details or bits of information that so far, have not been included.

    For instance, Helixer has spoken many times about his using hash, how he consumed the hash, etc. does it suddenly become "instructional" if he now tells us whether it was an upper (Sativa) hash or a downer (Indica) hash? I think not. But it would give some of us a clearer idea of what he was experiencing physiologically and whether it sounds helpful or not in one's use of the Aneros, which is of course, up to each of us to decide for ourselves.

    Another question I would have for Helixer is overall what kind of personality does he have (easy going? stressed-out?) and how does the hash affect his perception of himself and what/if anything about that does he find helpful for his Aneros practice? For instance - "I'm easy going, and perhaps a little unfocused, but when I use a good sativa before a session, my mind sharpens and I'm able to really acutely feel the sensations of the Aneros..." and so on.

    Or in my case...

    "I'm in chronic pain most of the time, but when I use just the right Indica, I feel a wave of euphoric relief as my pain fades into the background, and suddenly I'm much more aware of the pleasurable feelings my body is capable of producing and my mind, now free of the burden of constant discomfort, is free to soar with the sensations, creating positive, uplifting thoughts, thus vastly improving my mood and my session. Of course, the downside is my mind tends to wander on this strain and that can hinder my awareness during a session..."

    Right now, I'm thinking that to most forum members, the accounts of most cannabis users' accounts look something like this:

    Got home from work, ate a pot brownie, got really high during my amazing Aneros session. so glad I got high. Pot really helped.

    Here's how it gets filtered in my head:

    Got home from work (how was your day? what kind of mood were you in before your session?), ate a pot brownie (what kind of pot? was it a stimulant? sedative? a wacky combination of the two? was it a strong dose for your tolerance level?), got really high (what does that feel like for you? were you comfortable? did your heart rate increase? were you super excited or super relaxed? how did it change your mood? were you able to focus or was your head fuzzy?) during my amazing Aneros session (cool!), so glad I got high (sweet), Pot really helped (awesome).

    If the topic is to be discussed anyway, I'm simply suggesting we make the effort to provide slightly more descriptive posts and accounts, not necessarily instructive ones.

    I hope I've clarified my position sufficiently. :)
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I'm not really sure what exactly is in Polm Pan, although it's 'gedoogd' in Holland it's not legal and doesn't come with a table of contents. Also because it's not legal the quality isn't standardized, and even if it were everyone reacts differently, still......
    In my lifetime I've used many types of thc it's true the effect varies a lot. Some would give a light high and others would make you really stoned, even so, I think the common denominator is that they all relax and produce some euphoric feelings. Also your state of mind is always important as it magnifies what you are already feeling.

    For me hasj is the perfect fit. Not only does it relax, but the euphoria isn't limited to the mind but spreads like a blanket over my entire body increasing sensitivity manyfold whereever I focus (usually my erogenous zone until I'm orgasmic and then start circulating it all over..)

    When I used to smoke( a long time ago)it was predominantly skunk as that produced the most extreme effect, later on a friend introduced me to a good polm and although the effect is less extreme and has less thc I really prefer it to weed. Now years later, I don't smoke and live reasonably healthy, so when I want to get high I only eat it and since hasj is less trouble I''ve only eaten this and it works well in combination with the Aneros so I see no reason to try anything else.

    See, I don't use hasj for the effect of hasj, I only use in combination with the Aneros, if it wasn't for the Aneros I wouldn't even get HIH!

    And again. I think the reason not everyone gets aroused or relaxed by thc is because of the equally important psychological element. All hasj does is intensify, not only body sensations but also psychological and perhaps psychosomatic sensations.. So if thc scares you DON"T take it!If you've got troubles on your mind, don't take it!

    Knowing this you need focus. If arousal is important for the Aneros experience, make sure you have erotic imagery(I prefer a slideshow)at hand, so focussing on that will arouse instead of focussing on for example paranoid thoughts. If relaxation is important put on some relaxing music or sounds so you focus on that when needed and not on distracting or stressful environment sounds. Perhaps even some incense.
    But these are just aids to get the right focus, coz for me the main purpose is focussing inward when in the right frame of mind, and thus intensifying the incredible sensations.
  • waverider
    Posts: 49
    Over analyzing this seems ridiculous. The fact is that many people on this forum, myself included, have found that cannabis enhances the Aneros experience, and can be a great way to experience a super O if you are having difficulty doing so otherwise. My own personal experience has been that the better the cannabis, the better the effect, though I have had some sessions that were almost out of body experiences with quite crappy weed. Just as many folks enjoy sex after smoking cannabis (this is well documented), using an Aneros or stimulating the prostate by other means after smoking or ingesting cannabis can be a far more powerful experience. The legality of cannabis in many places is an issue for whatever reason. Many states in the US have passed decriminalization bills, while some others have started to push through legislation legalizing the drug (as I think it should be). Helixer states that he uses pretty infrequently despite the easy access that he has in Holland, and I think his use pretty much mirrors mine, in that I only smoke cannabis if I am going to be using my Aneros (I use my Aneros without cannabis far more often than with). I have no interest in being high outside of massaging my prostate or having sex. All I think that matters in this discussion is the stated observation that weed and the aneros go together quite well, and if you are open to smoking cannabis, or already do, try it when using your Aneros....the results are intense and amazing. If you don't smoke or ingest cannabis, good for you. Keep living your life the way you see fit, and don't try to impose your views on others who may be comfortable making different choices that you.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    Helixer,

    thanks for your reply and eloquent description. I definitely feel like I understand how the hash is helping you with your sessions now. I hope others find it helpful as well.

    For the record, not all hash is relaxing. Any hash made from a stimulating Sativa plant will also be a stimulant. Since there are plenty of Sativas, there's plenty of stimulating Sativa hash going around. So telling people that all hash is relaxing without checking your facts first, is in my opinion a little irresponsible. And that's my whole point with analyzing what is said about cannabis here.

    Every year, the stuff gets stronger - the stimulant Sativas get more stimulating, and the sedative Indicas become more sedating. Simply referring to "cannabis" or "hash" or "THC" as if it's all the same stuff that produces the same effect is misinformed at best, and dangerously misleading at worst.

    But hey, that's my opinion. :)
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I presumed putting hash with thc and dope it would be blatantly obvious which type of hasj I was referring to. And just for the record I'm also not referring to the type that contains a fly dinosaur or whatever of a few million years old either. I feel you're being slightly querulous about it.

    So telling people that all hash is relaxing without checking your facts first, is in my opinion a little irresponsible


    I'm not a botanist, and I'm pretty sure if I'd go to a coffeeshop and asked for hash that didn't make me stoned but was stimulating they'd either rip me off with their worst hash or they'd at least look puzzled and I'm pretty sure asking a streetdealer would give the same effect. Sure it's interesting if you're into plants, but Im not and for me and this thread it's a complete NONISSUE. If I could I'd say that I'm impressed by your erudition but I'm not, especially if you're implying with your trivia that I'm being irresponsible.
    So obviously not to mislead I mean the type of hasj containing thc the stuff that makes you stoned or to avoid any more nitpicking from the wikipedia:

    The psychoactive effects of cannabis, known as a "high", are subjective and can vary based on the individual and the method of use. Some effects may include an altered state of consciousness, euphoria, feelings of well-being, relaxation or stress reduction, increased appreciation of humor, music or art, joviality, metacognition and introspection, enhanced recollection (episodic memory), increased sensuality, increased awareness of sensation, increased libido, creative or philosophical thinking, disruption of linear memory or thought, nostalgia, and paranoia or anxiety

    .

    BTW: looks like the wikipedia touches on similar effects as we have been up to now, this I suppose goes to show that despite the differences in thc level and despite the fact we're all individuals thc has similar effects on all. Notice too, how positive effects far outweigh the negative and besides the negative effects are in your own hands...you determine the setting and the mood.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Well it appears that there is more for me to learn. I didn't realize there was a difference in the effect between the two strains of marijuana. Thank you for the explanation Pan. :) Although for those of us that have to buy it illegally, we likely will have no idea what exactly we are getting. I'm guessing based on the descriptions that what I had tried somewhat recently was Indica. And that I'd probably much prefer the effects of the Sativa strain in general. But whether or not that would help with my Aneros sessions is still questionable in my mind. As I still suspect that being high impedes my own sexual arousal. But I could be wrong. If I ever get a chance to try it again, I will.

    Love_is
  • petard
    Posts: 27
    @Pan: I had never heard of hash oil infused honey before, but that sounds excellent, particularly its ability to bypass the digestive process. I will be on the lookout for that product.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I concur with waverider that this quasi-scientific overanalytical specification Pan suggested isn't the way to go, I think the same can be said about the Aneros, but I guess beginner's feel they need some routine, some technical specification, a 'how-to' description of a subjective experience.
    For me when it comes to something like this it's all about focus and awareness, if successful this might lead in retrospect to the mistaken belief that a certain routine was to thank, when really it was awareness of the sensations that made you act in a certain way. So if a beginner follows up this routine without the awareness that caused it he might still get nowhere.

    To me for the beginner the testimonials are most inspiring. All those 'how-to'manuals though despite the best intentions actually make insecure you're doing it right. Just become aware on your own of the subtle sensations(that thc will intensify) and soon you'll be on your way to writing your own testimonial.

    So instead of debating if cannabis is helpful or not to experiencing a super O, or if hash is a stimulant or a sedative, maybe this thread is best served with testimonials.
    A few comments before starting:

    - As I've indicated why eating it is the best method and if you don't have hasj(you know the stuff that makes you stoned*)grinding the weed into powder and sprinkeling on your food and then eating it. And when it comes to eating it I'm a purist, meaning I don't want to delute the workings of the hasj or weed by processing/boiling/cooking or whatever. Guess a bit like some people only eat vegetables raw coz they loose a lot of their micronutrients when cooked etc.I'd say the same applies to hasj and weed. And believe me it ingests just fine when powdered. You really don't need to risk your health by eating butter or spiking your suger level by eating it with honey. Just eat with food you'd normally eat.

    -The advantage of hasj over weed(no leaves and branches etc that might cause a headache); I don't claim to be an expert, but I've found the best hasj is usually soft and sticky and has a strong smell and you hardly need to light it(if at all) to break it into tiny pieces. I guess best would be powder but hasj unfortunately has to get imported.

    -Now if you're ready it's time to write your testimonial. Good or bad, but just like the effects of cannabis it'll be far more good(or should I say great)if you're a first timer using this method write down how it compares to when sober, write it a week after you've ingested so you can include the echo effects of that week in your testimonial. Don't overnalyse the experience, just enjoy the experience and know that this life changing event won't be forgotten in a week's time. Also what's great about the whole rewiring experience and experiencing echo effects is that browsing for example the mega picture threads on www.pornbb.org can lead to dry orgasms just by looking at pictures of beautiful women. Also using the ksmo the day after a Super O can give fantastic echo effects. But these are just suggestions, obviously make the most of the rewiring and increased sensititivity by using the Aneros as much as possible the week after

    If youve already had a Super O without cannabis again write down if thc enhances your experience.

    Coz really when it comes down to it, people that are against it but have never tried it can't argue convincingly. Sure I'm against heroine and crack and would never try it coz I know what it leads to, I don't have to or want to experience it therefore, but this same argument is utterly unconvincing when it comes to an unaddictive natural softdrug like cannabis

    Really even if what you feel without cannabis is great, with cannabis is so much better, you're really denying yourself a great experience if you're not willing to at least try it.

    I think just like the sticky topics my first Super O, that a thread containing Testimonials of Super Os with cannabis will be just as, if not more intriguing!
  • petard
    Posts: 27
    [QUOTE=Helixer;89538]Guess a bit like some people only eat vegetables raw coz they loose a lot of their micronutrients when cooked etc.I'd say the same applies to hasj and weed. And believe me it ingests just fine when powdered. You really don't need to risk your health by eating butter or spiking your suger level by eating it with honey.

    Hi Helixer, I agree with most of what you are saying, except eating raw hash (especially imported) probably poses a greater health risk than eating small amounts of THC-infused butter or honey. I've read of lab analysis showing some hash samples contain mold, fecal matter, and various other adulterants. Probably not a high risk, but something to consider.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566

    I've read of lab analysis showing some hash samples contain fecal matter, and various other adulterants. Probably not a high risk, but something to consider



    Well I must be eating some good shit mmm,but seriously.....


    I'd attach the same value to this type of (scaremongering) research as I would to the test results of the garlic sauce in a (certain)Shoarma place containing sperm with HIV
  • normaltype
    Posts: 21
    I brought this up years ago and very few people had experience with the two. Nice to see more people are trying it.

    I used 420 for my sleep disorder and when I first bought the MGX many years ago I tried the combination. The first time it was amazing, subsequent attempts where not as successful. But over the years I have tried it with and without and have found I have more success with 420 than without.

    Now, I do not use my aneros without smoking first. I find that it relaxes the body AND the mind, both of which are keys to achiving a super O.

    But like someone else said, what works for some doesn't for others....that goes for both the aneros and 420 and the combination. To each his own. Like it says over and over on the forums here....do what you FEEL works best, relax, enjoy, have fun.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    420 I've heard cannabis being described many ways, but that one's new to me, besides in Europe it would be called 20/4 the birthday of the Fuhrer!
    I do think that one can get used to cannabis and then it just becomes as normal as having a cup of coffee(I know this, coz I used to be an addict), so i definitely wouldn't prescribe taking it everytime you use the Aneros, actually I'm strongly against this.
    Using every 1 or 2 months is enough for your system to cleanse itself, and the only way you can fully incorporate the 'rewiring'is by being sober. Sure it'll be less than with thc but it'll still be better than before '420'helped you rewire.
    Afterall the reason thc gives you a Super O is because it enhances the experience, but if you're used to heightening your sensitivity with thc then how can there be any enhancement or Super O?

    So:
    -thc not too often or it'll loose it's effect
    -eat it, so it mirrors the workings of the Aneros and you slowly get overwhelmed by the combined effect
    -Don't start too late; so yeah 4:20 pm would be a good time to take so you can enjoy the Super O all night
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Huh! I learn something new everyday. :D And here all along I thought it was the police code for marijuana smoking in progress.
    Here's the story:
    What 420 Means: The True Story Behind Stoners' Favorite Number

    On the other hand, I assume because of the language and cultural divide, I've had to research several of the words you use for different weed based substances you talked about Helixer. It's all good though. Opening our minds is a good thing. :D

    Love_is
  • After reading about Helixer's experience, I decided to give it a try. So, here's some info on my first experiment with marijuana + prostate stimulation (Aneros-less for this first try):

    My history: I have been working with the Aneros for about 9 months now (no Super O yet, but I'm making forward progress). I've been able to stimulate my prostate without an Aneros just by thinking about it (so-called "Aneros-less" sessions), so I decided for this first session to try an Aneros-less session with marijuana, to see what would happen. I am a complete newcomer to marijuana.

    Strain: 90% indica, according to the package the brownie came in
    Dosage: 1/2"x1" square of marijuana brownie, then because I wasn't feeling anything, another one 1 hour after the first.

    Positive effects: When the marijuana started to kick in (after about 1-1.5 hours from the start), I decided to try light PC/anal muscle contractions without the Aneros. With the marijuana, it was FAR easier to get involuntary contractions going, and they were FAR more pleasurable than my normal contractions. The involuntaries got going on their own, and my heart rate went way up. Incredibly pleasurable experience, but not quite into Super-O territory yet (definitely closer than I've gotten before, though). I felt very warm and relaxed -- far more relaxed than I normally get. Overall, I consider this a great success!

    Negative effects: The dosage ended up being FAR too high for me. After about 2-2.5 hours from start, I went from a mild pleasurable experience to a heavy couch-locked experience. I was not able to go to sleep, despite the heavy sedative effect of the marijuana. It was too hard to concentrate on much of anything, so I just watched TV until the marijuana wore off. Mild headache the next day.

    Duration: the effects tapered off rapidly after about 7 hours from start. I was then able to get to sleep with no problems.

    Comments: For me, it looks like marijuana can make a huge positive difference for prostate stimulation, but only at a low dose. At higher dosages, the high/buzz makes it too hard to pay attention to my prostate, and the session is essentially over. I think it's far too difficult to control the dosage with an edible, especially for a first-timer like me. It look so long to kick in, that I upped the dose (bad idea). Sublingual tinctures are supposedly much faster-acting, and easier to measure, so I'm going to try that next time.

    Future: Next time, I'm going to switch from an edible (brownie) to a tincture (liquid), which I should easily be able to titrate down to a very small dose. It's faster-acting, so I should be able to control the dose over time better, too. I'd like to get the dose down to just the minimum that gives me the nice prostate feelings (I'm not a fan of the high), and then I'd like to switch to a with-Aneros session when I'm just at the right point.

    Hope this helps any of you out there wanting to try something like this!
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    @Cosmicmuffin

    There seems to be some misunderstanding that everybody thinks I'm advocating brownies as the only way to eat it, my p.o.v is ANYTHING goes.(yoghurt,chocolate, anything to mask the taste)
    The reason I prefer eating it is coz the effect slowly takes hold which makes it ideally suited for the Aneros. In the beginning when I was both a novice Aneros-user and cannabis eater it seemed to take approximately an hour, seemed, coz now that I'm more in tune with my body I'm more aware of the slow transformation taking place, so now I notice much sooner.

    I'm an advocate of an Aneros-less session with '420' but only AFTER I've become orgasmic. It's like plug&play. First I eat, then I insert the Aneros, then I do what I normally do(deep breathing, focussed awareness, very light contractions etc) then after the thc has enhanced the experience enough, tipping me over the edge into a Super O territory, obviously enjoying a little first, the moment I need to go to the WC then I just SHIT the Aneros OUT and lie back on my sofa again and continue the Super O without the Aneros with obviously much more flexibility.
    So I'd recommend Plug&Play first before going Aneros-less!
    My guess is you probably would have had a Super O if you'd done this, or at least very close to one.
    (But preferably wait a month or two before trying again with thc)
    The above mentioned effects of thc from the wikipedia make it clear why the combination with the Aneros is such a good fit.( Increased relaxation, increased inner awareness/sensuality./libido etc) as you've probably noticed yourself.

    Did you keep breathing deeply when you're heart rate went up?
    Did you have any erotic imagery to focus on when you lost focus?

    Maybe I'm wrong as I haven't tried it myself but I'd stick to eating, it's because of the(slower to take effect) digestion that eating is a good fit with the Aneros. You'd expect oil to be more quickly absorbed and thus faster to take effect, that's a problem IMO, better is when you slowly get overwhelmed by the combined effect.

    Still, I applaud your courage and openmindedness for giving it a go, I do think if you take some of the above mentioned recommendations into account when you take it (in a month or two) next time your experience will be truely mindblowing!

    -----------------------------------
    @Love_is: 420 was new to me as well until normaltype mentioned it
    (divide it by 10 and you have the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything ;)
  • [QUOTE=Helixer;89625]@Cosmicmuffin

    There seems to be some misunderstanding that everybody thinks I'm advocating brownies as the only way to eat it, my p.o.v is ANYTHING goes.(yoghurt,chocolate, anything to mask the taste)
    ...


    I agree, actually...I chose brownies, only because that's what I had available pre-made (and, I like chocolate)!

    [QUOTE=Helixer;89625]@Cosmicmuffin
    Did you keep breathing deeply when you're heart rate went up?
    Did you have any erotic imagery to focus on when you lost focus?


    Yes, I was able to keep breathing deeply, even when my heart rate went way up. It was quite an experience to have my prostate active, while the rest of my body and my breathing were very relaxed! (Well, mostly relaxed -- my body, especially my abs, would tense up during some of the peaks...but, that seems to be normal for me while doing Aneros.)

    The only erotic imagery I had during this time was in my head. :-) I basically had this session in a mostly-darkened bedroom, lying face down, so I could focus on being relaxed, waiting for whatever would happen. I also figured that if the effects of the marijuana got to be too much, I'd just fall asleep (didn't happen that way). Are you suggesting that I use erotic imagery (e.g. pictures on the computer) to help maintain my focus?
  • petard
    Posts: 27
    [QUOTE=cosmicmuffin;89632] I basically had this session in a mostly-darkened bedroom, lying face down, so I could focus on being relaxed, waiting for whatever would happen...Are you suggesting that I use erotic imagery (e.g. pictures on the computer) to help maintain my focus?

    I personally would only use porn at the outset if needed to get aroused, but I find it distracting once I start concentrating deeply on my "inner world." Your setup already sounds ideal. Lying face down on a soft surface puts gentle pressure on the pubic bone, which feels unusually good when the edibles start kicking in (like an effortless male deer exercise).

    Incidentally, if you don't feel the effects of an edible after 90 minutes or so, but you think the dosage was correct, try eating something else, like fruit or a light meal, anything that requires chewing. This should be enough to get your digestive system to process the edible.
  • [QUOTE=petard;89664]Lying face down on a soft surface puts gentle pressure on the pubic bone, which feels unusually good when the edibles start kicking in (like an effortless male deer exercise).

    Yeah, I noticed that soft-external-pressure effect. It was REALLY nice, and you're right -- it was effortless!

    [QUOTE=petard;89664]Incidentally, if you don't feel the effects of an edible after 90 minutes or so, but you think the dosage was correct, try eating something else, like fruit or a light meal, anything that requires chewing. This should be enough to get your digestive system to process the edible.

    Ah, that makes sense. I am still a bit wary of edibles, though, since I don't feel that the dose was very controlled (or controllable).

    Since then I've been working on titrating the dose with a tincture, starting at the very smallest amount. I'm not interested in getting high here -- I'm interested in controlling the effects just to the level that they bring me back to that warm, comfortable place that I passed through last time (on my way to "too much"). That place essentially doubled or tripled the amount of prostate feeling I was getting, so I consider this to be an interesting experiment. Right now, I'm at about 1/10 of a regular dose, and the warm, relaxing effects are just starting to be felt (without any high).

    Thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys! I'll let you know how the ongoing experiment goes...
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Nice work guys
  • Update on dosage for those who are interested in this experiment:

    I've been slowly (very slowly) increasing the dose drop by drop, night by night, to try to get back into the "good warm feeling zone", without getting into the "stoned zone".

    Had an Aneros MGX session that was WAY more productive than usual at 7 drops. Lots and lots of involuntaries, very easily produced. Effect kicked in about 1.5 hours after start, and lasted just an hour or so. No high, and no after effects the next morning.

    At 9 drops, there weren't any effects for a couple of hours after my start time of 8PM, and I was tired, so I went to sleep.
    I was awakened at 2AM with that nice warm feeling, and much prostate action from 2-3AM, FAR more than with 7 drops. I was enjoying it way too much to get up and put in the MGX. No high, just a nice warm slightly-buzzing feeling, especially in my arms and legs. When I turned on the light, I couldn't even notice any effects at all (the warm feeling just evaporated). But when I turned the light off and relaxed again, involuntaries kicked in like mad.

    It seems that the key is to "relax into it", something that most of the Aneros veterans have been saying for a while. :-) I am
    finding that the tincture helps to get to that point much quicker, but the mechanism (relaxation) sounds like it is the same.

    So, I think that 9 drops is right about at the threshold dose, where prostate effects kick in like crazy, but I'm still completely
    unaffected mentally. The "recommended dose" is 1 dropper full, which is about 30 drops. So, I'm currently at slightly less than 1/3 of the recommended initial dose. Remember, Your Mileage May Vary. :-) The point here is that a low dose can have some very powerful positive effects on prostate action.

    As a bonus, this morning I'm still getting waves of good feelings that affect my entire body (the echos that Helixer was talking about?)...

    That's the updated report for now, fellow Aneros-ers!
    CM
  • OptimusOptimus
    Posts: 25
    [QUOTE=cosmicmuffin;89883]Update on dosage for those who are interested in this experiment:

    I've been slowly (very slowly) increasing the dose drop by drop, night by night, to try to get back into the "good warm feeling zone", without getting into the "stoned zone".

    Had an Aneros MGX session that was WAY more productive than usual at 7 drops. Lots and lots of involuntaries, very easily produced. Effect kicked in about 1.5 hours after start, and lasted just an hour or so. No high, and no after effects the next morning.

    At 9 drops, there weren't any effects for a couple of hours after my start time of 8PM, and I was tired, so I went to sleep.
    I was awakened at 2AM with that nice warm feeling, and much prostate action from 2-3AM, FAR more than with 7 drops. I was enjoying it way too much to get up and put in the MGX. No high, just a nice warm slightly-buzzing feeling, especially in my arms and legs. When I turned on the light, I couldn't even notice any effects at all (the warm feeling just evaporated). But when I turned the light off and relaxed again, involuntaries kicked in like mad.

    It seems that the key is to "relax into it", something that most of the Aneros veterans have been saying for a while. :-) I am
    finding that the tincture helps to get to that point much quicker, but the mechanism (relaxation) sounds like it is the same.

    So, I think that 9 drops is right about at the threshold dose, where prostate effects kick in like crazy, but I'm still completely
    unaffected mentally. The "recommended dose" is 1 dropper full, which is about 30 drops. So, I'm currently at slightly less than 1/3 of the recommended initial dose. Remember, Your Mileage May Vary. :-) The point here is that a low dose can have some very powerful positive effects on prostate action.

    As a bonus, this morning I'm still getting waves of good feelings that affect my entire body (the echos that Helixer was talking about?)...

    That's the updated report for now, fellow Aneros-ers!
    CM

    C.M.,

    Thanks for the info. I generally don't do MaryJane (it messes up my mind too much, and wakes me up in the middle of the night), but I do have access to THC tincture (which I haven't used before) so maybe I'll try that. Is the tincture you are using standardized to a certain percent THC? Here in the U.S. the only tinctures available legally are via medical marijuana programs, and these programs are variable from state to state, and the state I'm in doesn't require dispensaries to have standardized % THC. So I'm not sure what to use as a starting dose with the tincture I have available.

    Also, is your tincture from indica or sativa? Which one is preferable for amplifying involuntaries? You made a comment about sleep above; do you find it's better to do THC early in the day, so it can wear off before you want to sleep?
  • [QUOTE=Optimus;89884]
    Is the tincture you are using standardized to a certain percent THC? Here in the U.S. the only tinctures available legally are via medical marijuana programs, and these programs are variable from state to state, and the state I'm in doesn't require dispensaries to have standardized % THC. So I'm not sure what to use as a starting dose with the tincture I have available.


    Good question! I have been searching for a standardized (assayed) MMJ tincture, but I haven't found one yet. That would be my preference, so the dose can be more precisely controlled. Many of the MMJ coops assay their plant material for THC (and cannabidiol) content, but they buy their tinctures from companies that do not precisely measure or publish the THC content. I think this will change over time, as the MMJ industry matures.

    I started with a dose of 1/4 drop (diluted precisely with water), and I've been working my way up from there, adding 1 or max 2 drops per session. No more than 1 session per day. Effects for me seem to start around 7 drops.

    I tried sublingual (try to keep drops under the tongue), but it didn't seem to make a difference (and it's hard for me to keep it under my tongue for long). The effects in almost all cases are delayed an hour or more, as was the case with the edible.

    I suspect that vaporizing might be a much quicker onset, but I think it's almost impossible to control the dose for medical and/or Aneros purposes.

    [QUOTE=Optimus;89884]
    Also, is your tincture from indica or sativa?


    The one I'm using is Sativa. I have a bottle of Indica as well (which I haven't tried yet), and my first edible (which resulted in Too Much) was Indica. As far as the "warm feeling" goes, I haven't noticed a difference between the feelings yet. I am a novice user, so I literally am starting from scratch here on dosage.

    [QUOTE=Optimus;89884]
    Which one is preferable for amplifying involuntaries?


    Not sure. The conventional wisdom is that Indica is for falling asleep/body high, while Sativa is for staying awake/head high.
    Sativa is higher in THC, while Indica is higher in cannabidiol. I'm not sure yet which one is more important for involuntaries.
    I got good involuntaries from both the Indica edible (on the way up), and I'm getting good results from the Sativa (tincture).
    My guess is that you'll need to experiment, to see how your body reacts, based on your weight, your metabolism, etc.

    [QUOTE=Optimus;89884]
    You made a comment about sleep above; do you find it's better to do THC early in the day, so it can wear off before you want to sleep?

    I have been doing the tincture only at night, when I am in for the night, so that I don't have to drive for at least 12 hours after the initial (small, controlled) dose. Many people use MMJ (especially Indica) as a sleep aid, so same for me -- right now it's nighttime-only experimentation for me. (I also have too many things to do during the day to be taking anything...)

    Hope this helps,
    CM
  • The_BishopThe_Bishop
    Posts: 810
    A welcomed experiment cosmicmuffin!
    My experience mirrors your, low does is the way to go and gets you into that perfect zone where your mind wanders and the prostate starts to activate. I use a vaporizer and it gives more of a full body high. Smoking gives you more of a head high. I just inhale twice on the vape and I am read for a great session. If you are interested you can read about my first Super-O aided by pot in my signature.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    This is some fantastically detailed information being passed along! Thank you. I really like the approach you are taking cosmicmuffin of using just enough and no more to get you in that state of mind without without being too wacked out mentally. I wish I could try this approach with the tinctures. My state doesn't have access to this sort of stuff yet. But perhaps sometime in the future.

    Love_is
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    [QUOTE=Love_is;89922]... snip... I wish I could try this approach with the tinctures. My state doesn't have access to this sort of stuff yet. But perhaps sometime in the future. Love_is

    DIY info Google cannimist or cannamist. Slightly different approaches for each. Enjoy... rook

    --- late edit: Admin instructions say to spray on the inside of the cheek -- that's not the cheek with which you are most familiar :LOL: : 8) :
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    Hope this doesn't seem contrary to the spirit of the thread...

    In my case, I just take two small tokes, and then immediately lie down and insert. The "first buzz of the day" disorientation then becomes an ideal context for my Aneros to "get busy." Thereafter, I take another couple tokes about every hour, as long as I want to keep re-firing my libido.

    I'm a cigarette smoker (unfortunately), so I'm not at all worried about small intakes of a more benign smoke. But I usually toke up (depending on which country I'm in) for almost any nighttime session (but almost never for daytime sessions), and it's proven a fabulous asset for my journey.

    (Though, if y'all have read my other thread recently, you already know that I seek mind altering in almost any way I can find it. I find the period right after transitioning from "day to day lucidity" to something else to be most potent for letting the Aneros get to work. Thus, the faster kick of toking suits me just fine.)
  • @all: an update on my experiments...The best dose so far for Aneros/Aneros-less work (for me) seems to be about 11 drops sublingual. I swish it around to get the cheek exposure that was mentioned with Cannamist above, but I really don't get any short term effects at all this way. So, I just end up swallowing it. It tastes like weeds in alcohol, so I usually chase it with a bit of something to eat, to get rid of the taste. The alcohol is also not kind to the mucous membranes under your tongue, so swallowing it seems like an easy way to avoid the mild burning effect it has. Others may prefer to mix it with juice or something.

    The tincture I'm using is made by Apothecary Star, and it's based on the strain called Sour Diesel (Sativa). It doesn't kick in for a couple of hours, and when it does, there's very little "high", but it's a direct prostate activator for me. Involuntaries start right up, easily and fairly strongly. The mild body warmth effect seems to wear off in 8-12 hours, but the prostate involuntaries are still enhanced the next morning. No munchies at any time.

    FYI, I weigh about 170 pounds, and I would guess that dosage depends on your weight, and your prior experience with this stuff (frequent users report needing more to feel effects). Cost was about $15 for what I estimate to be roughly 75 or so doses at this level.

    I'm not a drinker or a smoker, but I think judicious use of this stuff might help some people with their Aneros journey, and at this level seems pretty safe. (Reminder: please do not dose and drive or operate heavy machinery, though!)

    @Tremelo: good info -- thanks! I may try vaporizing at some point, but it's just so hard to control the dosage. If two tokes takes you there, I'd always be wanting to see what happens if I control it down to the fraction-of-a-toke. :-)
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I'm fairly openminded when it comes to herbal treatment for diseases.This guy on youtube claims he helped cure cancer with hemp-oil and countless others as well. The strange thing is that terminal patients aren't even granted the choise to opt for this option cause the whole plants illegal. So on and on goes the moneymaking scam of pharmaceutical companies for their toxic drugs that supposedly lengthen a person's life(if you can even call it that since it seems the drugs are more dangerous than the disease itself) while ppl that have safed ppl's lifes are being prosecuted.
    What's going on? Perhaps a cheap natureproduct generating no license income is too much of a threat for the AZT's and the chemotherapy's of this world?

    Anyways the first of the 7 parts on youtube

    YouTube - ‪RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story (Part 1 of 7)‬‎
  • @all: A quick update on the other main type of MJ plant -- I tried an equivalent amount of an Indica-based tincture from the same manufacturer, and the experience was quite different. Not a whole lot of prostate activation, just made me feel kinda "slow". So, I'm headed back to the Sativa-based tincture for future Aneros-enhancement experiments.

    @Helixer: thanks, I'll check out the video!
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Climbed on this train over a year ago to enjoy the Aneros ride. I then learned how to rip sound and produce mp3 files for playback during sessions. Then it was a wiring harness to keep from strangling myself while in bed. Then it was learning to blend vegetable oils for lube. Then it was re-plumbing our shower.

    Now it's gardening. Cheeze!! Just one thing after another.

    @c...muffin. Tks for the test results on the indica tincture. Had been wondering about that.