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Keep having wet dreams / Aneros killing my hunt for a GF
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    Hi,

    2 quick issues. I will be brief in order to get replies:

    1: I need to build a lot of arousal for Aneros sessions - meaning no ejaculations for a week or more. But I always end up having a wet dream, meaning I have to break from my Aneros training. Any others dealing with this?

    2: I got this girls number yesterday. I am kinda on the whole PUA/art of seduction/dating thing. I want a GF, but I want to become multiorgasmic prostatically FIRST. It will be harder once in a sexual relationship... I am disappointed that she hasn't texted me back, but at the same time relieved. I am kinda between a rock and a hard place.
  • johntrevy
    Posts: 220
    My advice is to forget the whole PUA/seduction thing. Most of these "gurus" arnt exactly the whole ticket and have extreme ego problems. If you are taking that kind of evolution handed on a plate, then you are doomed to fail. These people play on the vunerable and desperate because it makes them feel better.
    There is no S.O.P (standard operating proceedure) for getting a girl, you have to find your own way and move ever forward.

    Yes im single, and i forsee that il be single for long time to come, but there are extreme circumstances that are beyond my control.

    I live in an area where the women here are very questionable, There is no incentive for loyalty and drug usage is common place.
    I know it may hurt that your single, but believe me its better that way. Rather than ending up with someone you know deep down that you wont/cant love.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Why exactly do you have to stop using the Aneros after a wet dream? Unless you shit your pants I can't really see any reason why you should discontinue use. But even then, to each their own, eh...
    Unfortunately I rarely have wet dreams, I rarely even remember my dreams I do however sometimes wake up and find myself covered in mud with my cloths on and blood all over my shirt and hands and a ROCKHARD erection, so I guess I must have some nightlife.....

    2) Why do you feel you have to enjoy a piece of plastic up your ass before you can have a gf? Do you think that'll impress her? What's the pua take on that one?
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=johntrevy;89298]My advice is to forget the whole PUA/seduction thing. Most of these "gurus" arnt exactly the whole ticket and have extreme ego problems. If you are taking that kind of evolution handed on a plate, then you are doomed to fail. These people play on the vunerable and desperate because it makes them feel better.
    There is no S.O.P (standard operating proceedure) for getting a girl, you have to find your own way and move ever forward.

    Yes im single, and i forsee that il be single for long time to come, but there are extreme circumstances that are beyond my control.

    I live in an area where the women here are very questionable, There is no incentive for loyalty and drug usage is common place.
    I know it may hurt that your single, but believe me its better that way. Rather than ending up with someone you know deep down that you wont/cant love.

    I agree in part. I do not copy their routines and opening lines, or openers, but I do follow their attitude. Girls are not attracted to neediness, calling 30 times a day, lack of selfconfidence. You may say "that's just common sense", but hey, some people need to learn it this way. It has given me the at least AWARENESS that I can approach any girl, an "5" or a "10" and I have qualities that she might like. It has made me realize I am a "10", that my social value is more important than my physical looks, that I can dress in a way to stand out. This may all be stuff that you know, but I didn't.

    But yes, I don't use canned-lines, only little adlibs here and there. Yes, I know I need to find my own way, but training wheels do not hurt.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    You are a very, "dry", direct, to the point Nederlander, so I will be direct too. :)

    [QUOTE=Helixer;89299]Why exactly do you have to stop using the Aneros after a wet dream?

    Because my arousal needs to build up. I do not feel a buildup of sexual tension after an ejaculation. This is why some people here advise to hold back from ejaculation.


    Unless you shit your pants I can't really see any reason why you should discontinue use.

    Coz I don't have time to waste on potentially dud sessions.


    Unfortunately I rarely have wet dreams,

    I had "grown out" of them until I became an Aneroser: I need to abstain from ejaculation for a while - longer than most people here because my libido is low. I could actually go weeks without masturbating, in fact, I could never do it again, and I'd be fine.


    2) Why do you feel you have to enjoy a piece of plastic up your ass before you can have a gf? Do you think that'll impress her? What's the pua take on that one?

    Because once I am having regular ejacs (as you do in a relationship), I won't be able to build up weeks of sexual tension. You can say: "have sex without ejac", but as sex was quite disappointing to me, the ejac was the only thing that made it worthwhile. Cut that out and I might as well not bother.

    It won't impress her. But I'd rather tell a girl: "I can have prostate orgasms with an Aneros" (or even better: ANEROSLESS), than tell her "I am kinda shoving this plastic in every couple of days to see what might happen, but I have no expectations coz that ruins it, but I hear there's a P-orgasm at the end, but...".

    PUA take?:

    1) Women like secure, confident men. I feel it would be slightly better to say: "I can have prostate orgasms...Aneros....I clean well....it won't turn me gay....deal with it or we can go our own ways" than to say: "well, I sorta can't ejac for a while coz there's this thing I'm trying to do, but I shouldn't be 'trying' it coz then that makes it not happen, so anyway, I bought all these toys, but I hope one will work one day, but I've had hardly any indication that Aneros P-orgasms aren't just lies, but I think there may be a way it's true since..."

    2) It is probably best not to make women the most thing in your life, or make them your life - instead, bring them into my life. Well, I am not READY really to bring a girl into my life coz I have this Aneros thing going on.

    Why are you so down on PUA? Just because it didn't work for you, or you already "do" what it teaches naturally, it doesn't mean it's worthless and should be forgotten and anyone practicing it should be shot. It is helping thousands of people. Who is anyone to rubbish it? Find something that/continue to use whatever works for you then, Helixer. There's room in this world for different opinions! :)
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I think the sexual tension part is overrated. As I stated previously in the Penis Not thread I think it's imperative not to forget your penis, give it some exercise lest it shribble up into a chlitoris. Contrary to my expectation regular ejaculation actually makes you hornier.
    My schedule at the moment is KSMO one day in the morning, fleshlight at night, just to keep me from getting emasculated too much by all the feminine/passive Aneros routine. If I ejaculate it's ok, I'll be going to sleep after that anyhow. First I used the fleshlight as an energy circulator, now when I'm ready I want to try blocking off the emission phase with my pc muscle and experience true mmo's.

    I've read some ppl use the Aneros with their partner IMO this is the wrong way to use it. To me it makes more sense to use the Aneros in the receptive role, the female role, focussing on your own pleasure as the Aneros moves inside you, be your own anima, it's all projection anyhow. With the Aneros it's so much more enjoyable cumming with a limp dick, please your partner and youre forced into the active role, which sucks compared to the passive, unless.....the above mentioned method(pc) really works you can experience multiple orgasms the male way without ejaculation an have ever increasing pleasure as well.

    I can't look inside a woman's head, but having experienced the passive role with the Aneros, a man that can fuck her hard all night would surely be in demand.

    I use to like Ross Jeffries speed seduction but eventually gave up coz things like the embedded commands are impossible in Dutch as are certain ambiguities but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

    As for the rest of the pua jive.....I'll keep this short, I don't know what I find more revolting, the guys that use it or the women it actually works on.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    OK, well I will definately relax a bit more on the wet dream "problem" and give myself about 2-3 days to recover rather than 1-2 weeks. Thanks.

    It seems that you agree with me that the Aneros is best experienced on one's own. As a man with very little time, AND even less "private" time, having a relationship now would kill my Aneros sessions. I don't want to bother with the last minute suppression of an orgasm and call it an orgasm. I don't like the "holding back" that men are encouraged to do (during sex, especially). I much prefer the "letting go" that women are encouraged to do.

    I don't see why you find it revolting that I've learned that I should demonstrate high value (DHV) when meeting a girl for the first time, rather than telling her: "Hi, I'm a nice guy, and just want someone to love, I have self-confidence issues, but my therapist thinks I might be ok. I thought I was gay for so long...I still don't know what I am. Maybe 90% hetero? I fall asleep on the bus...I dribble and miss my stop.., but that jus shows how human I am." - that is a demonstration of low value..

    I could tell her: "hi, I had to come talk to you coz I thought you were cute....you're welcome...I bet your boss would hate to know you're out here this late on a Tuesday? ...Yeah mine too. Me? At an I.T. firm, and no I will not come and fix your PC. You shouldn't have been surfing porn, you wouldn't have got the virus...who's your friend? Talk about SHY!..."

    Who is the more fun guy to be talking to? Someone who is socially calibrated and interesting, or a guy that's too honest for his own good?
  • There's an important distinction to be made here... The PUA stuff MAY get you LAID, but it will not find you a girlfriend. Any woman who falls for those routines, generally speaking, would make a LOUSY long term partner.

    I've read the stuff, and about 80% of it is just silliness, but there is about 20% of it that does give some rather startling insights into human nature, surprising for the material. So it shouldn't be discounted out right, the key is to find the gems of observation and discard the rest.

    But be warned, the PUA stuff has been portrayed in many TV shows as part of the plot, or in some cases reality shows demonstrating the techniques. Woman now know "The Game" and the good ones will shut down your routine before you even get started, those are the ones you want for a girlfriend :)
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    LOL, thanks Cave. But in the UK, VH1's screening of The PUA wasn't even that popular. Pick up in the UK is quite underground. Ironically, British girls are harder to pick up, even with PUA knowledge. The "british reservedness" translates into girls here (as well as guys) not being open to conversation out of the blue. We keep ourselves to ourselves. That's why certain UK versions of shows here are crappy and understated:

    I loved the US version of The Weakest Link. People gave that bitch a taste of her own medicine. On the UK version, they practically shat themselves and cried all the way home. The US talent shows (AGT, Amer Idol), etc..it's all better when people are more loud, OTT, extroverted, etc.

    People here aren't that friendly outside of "Do you have the time?" (Now obsolete with phones, Ipods, etc) or "How can I get to....?"
  • johntrevy
    Posts: 220
    Are you from UK MyTurn? If so, what part. Unfortunately for me, im from ESSEX (Home of the unemployed, the unwashed, the unwanted and the unworthy).
    So you can see how i would have trouble meeting a girl worth my time. Yes my condifence has room for improvement, but if i ever got with one of these girls in my area, i would lose far more than i'd gain. And im certainly not letting them have my virginity.

    As regards to PUA only being for sex, i agree. Id rather pay 60£ for a decent fleshlight that will work for many times to come. Than spend £100+ on useless materials that would frustrate me in the long run and quite possibly do damage to my mind and body.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566


    I don't want to bother with the last minute suppression of an orgasm and call it an orgasm. I don't like the "holding back" that men are encouraged to do (during sex, especially). I much prefer the "letting go" that women are encouraged to do.



    The pc technique I was referring to isn´t about suppressing an orgasm it's about bypassing the ejaculation.(ejaculation and orgasm are two separate things). And as for having a (feminine) multi orgasmic experience solo with the Aneros is the way to go, but that IMO renders women obselete(unless you can find a chick with a dick with your pua routine).
    That's the point I'm trying to make, what you're saying doesn't make sense. I don't believe you'd be fucking every day and even if you were, especially if you were it would make more sense to master ejaculatory control. And if it's a female orgasm you want you only need an Aneros not a woman...


    As for the pua,Ross Jeffries I can appreciate. Using language patterns and guiding the female's imagination and fantasy and making her feel so good and horny she's DYING to get fucked....whereas the Venusian bogus it's all about gimme gimme gimme. Why demonstrate high value?
    It's a bit like guys that have a lot of money. Sure for some women that's high value, but for me that's a turn off. I don't care how pretty these women are, I honestly would rather not have any money and stay single the rest of my life than have women like that or(supposed) high social status for attracting women
    Same thing with guys that beat their women. Sure, they get the hottest babes, but that's just not me, I wouldn't want to be like that and women that are attracted to that are just not attractive to me.

    Sure neediness isn't attractive, perhaps if you made a list of qualities a woman really possesses and not what you wished she possessed you wouldn't feel the need so much, then you genuinely wouldn't be needy. I mean besides the romantic fantasy what are you really expecting to get out of a relationship?
    I guess experiencing a Super O would also help....hopefully in the future because of tools like the Aneros men will finally wake up and won't feel the need to DHV as we're actually doing women a favor by having sex with them.
    As Brian Mayfield says:"

    Why take the coach when you can fly first class with Aneros?"

  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=johntrevy;89317]Are you from UK MyTurn? If so, what part. Unfortunately for me, im from ESSEX (Home of the unemployed, the unwashed, the unwanted and the unworthy).
    So you can see how i would have trouble meeting a girl worth my time. Yes my condifence has room for improvement, but if i ever got with one of these girls in my area, i would lose far more than i'd gain. And im certainly not letting them have my virginity.

    As regards to PUA only being for sex, i agree. Id rather pay 60£ for a decent fleshlight that will work for many times to come. Than spend £100+ on useless materials that would frustrate me in the long run and quite possibly do damage to my mind and body.

    LOL@Essex description. Yeah, London is better. At least we have tourism and are more multicultural, so there "hot babes" of al types and flavours here. So are you going to not have sex til you leave Essex? What if you don't?

    I haven't spent any money on PUA materials. I watch shows, read forums, then learn how to exhibit my best qualities, how to not fall into the same category of every other man that has hit on a particular girl. Like I said. It's not for everyone. Just like the Aneros.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=Helixer;89318]The pc technique I was referring to isn´t about suppressing an orgasm it's about bypassing the ejaculation.(ejaculation and orgasm are two separate things). And as for having a (feminine) multi orgasmic experience solo with the Aneros is the way to go, but that IMO renders women obselete(unless you can find a chick with a dick with your pua routine).


    I have thought that, except the emotional aspect of sex, the companionship, the eye-candy, the touch, the family aspect - women are quite ...have sort of lost their high-importance to me slightly. In a way, I'd rather have my eyes rolling back in my head (one day I hope. Plzz!) with an Aneros, than watching how many times I can get a girl off. I never got guys who were proud of how much pleasure they could GIVE / GIVE AWAY / IMPART / GIFT / TRANSFER FROM THEIR BODY INTO A WOMAN'S.


    That's the point I'm trying to make, what you're saying doesn't make sense. I don't believe you'd be fucking every day and even if you were, especially if you were it would make more sense to master ejaculatory control. And if it's a female orgasm you want you only need an Aneros not a woman...



    It's why life and nature is wrong. The best pleasure a man can have is, apparently without a woman. But the best for a woman is usually with a man. Talk about one-sided.


    As for the pua,Ross Jeffries I can appreciate. Using language patterns and guiding the female's imagination and fantasy and making her feel so good and horny she's DYING to get fucked....whereas the Venusian bogus it's all about gimme gimme gimme. Why demonstrate high value?



    Because you want to put your best foot forward.
    You demonstrate high value - or try to - all the time: job interview (freshly ironed/clean suit?), meeting new people (you try not to get curry down your shirt), etc.


    It's a bit like guys that have a lot of money. Sure for some women that's high value, but for me that's a turn off. I don't care how pretty these women are, I honestly would rather not have any money and stay single the rest of my life than have women like that or(supposed) high social status for attracting women
    Same thing with guys that beat their women. Sure, they get the hottest babes, but that's just not me, I wouldn't want to be like that and women that are attracted to that are just not attractive to me.



    If you think getting tips on how to put one's best foot forward is like wifebeating, then, I'll save time but not trying to point out the differences.


    Sure neediness isn't attractive, perhaps if you made a list of qualities a woman really possesses and not what you wished she possessed you wouldn't feel the need so much, then you genuinely wouldn't be needy. I mean besides the romantic fantasy what are you really expecting to get out of a relationship?



    You say "sure neediness isn't attractive" like everyone knows this at birth.
    Some need to learn it through developing their social awareness. What is wrong with someone learning how to display confidence?

    PUA, Helixer, is not for everyone. Just like the Aneros isn't. Do you accept that? C'mon. :)


    I guess experiencing a Super O would also help....hopefully in the future because of tools like the Aneros men will finally wake up and won't feel the need to DHV as we're actually doing women a favor by having sex with them.



    *high five*
    TOTALLY. If I had a Super O, I probably wouldn't want a woman. Maybe it's a blessing that I haven't had the Super O yet. Women IMO get the most out of sex. That's half the reason I came to this forum. Sex is all about them. Especially in these days of: "can you satisfy her?", "penis length", song lyrics like: "she/I need(s) a "REAL" man", independent women, etc...they still need us for the pleasure bit!

    That's the thing about PUA: it is an attempt to take women off that pedastool of them selecting a man to make them attracted, make them laugh, make them horny, seduce them, marry them, take care of them, care and protect them, be at their beckon call, etc. Have you heard of qualification? It is a phase in seduction where you make the girl qualify herself to you, so you know if SHE is worthy of YOU.

    e.g.: So how ambitious are you?
    Is that a stepping-stone job to something greater?
    I bet you don't study that hard and are happy to get D-grades (reply should be: "oh, no, I do study hard...etc).

    PUA is about not "pedastooling" girls for their beauty. "Beauty is common" as Mystery says.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    1)If I read the tantric technique on pc contraction right, you're not parting with anything, you're actually on par with women as you don't ejaculate and the more you cum the more intense the pleasure will become. I don't know why it gives me a kick to really please a woman, it just does, it turns me on. And if with this method I wouldn't have to hold back or think about football or something, but could experience orgasm after orgasm and really please the woman at the same time.....even if the feeling wasn't as nice as the Aneros it would perhaps be psychologically more fulfilling.

    2) You don't see a similarity with negs and wifebeating? IMO, it's the same kind of technique to attract psychologically damaged women. As for putting your best foot forward, I presume you're referring to peacocking?like these rappers with their golden chains....sure if you cover yourself with shit you'll attract flies....

    3) Are you saying you were shy at birth?These are things that develop, just like insecurities like neediness. IMO following these assholes isn't going to get you anywhere if anything it's just going to make you more insecure, learn to appreciate your own style, trying to be like these guys is just sad.
    The only reason you want to be like them is coz they say they get the hottest babes, who's even to say that's true?
    What if it wasn't or you didn't know anything about this 'Mystery' and you saw him walking down the street, you'd think to yourself:"Who's this fucking freak?", perhaps you'd walk on quickly just in case he was some junkie after your money(maybe that's not even that far of the mark).

    4) Again it's just nature. A man gives a woman receives, don't fight it that's just the way it is. The good news as male you can be both active as passive, so you can have what a woman has and more. Be grateful you were born a male. The only time a woman gives is when she gives birth, that's divine active and passive at the same time(perhaps why most women like making babies). With women it's material(MATERerialism, Mother Earth)and it results in a screaming baby(and if you're 'lucky' a twin or a triplet)....The diviness in men is spirtitual, namely receiving from the 'Great Spirit'(or whatever) and actively converting it into a theory, an invention, a composition or whatever. Feminists will have you believe it's because women never had a chance and were suppressed that, if it wasn't for male ingenuity we'd still be living in caves, but it's not...it's just nature

    5)she qualifies you, you qualify her, quid pro quo. Again, imagine Mystery without a beautiful woman, suddenly he becomes just another nobody with a big mouth
  • ArcticWolvesArcticWolves
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    MyTurn, I haven't read this whole post. I did read that you are having some issues if you are gay or hetero and I feel you on this one. For I was once in the same position of questioning my sexuality of being gay, bi, or hetero. I had stuff that happened to me in my adolescent years that totally changed my life. By labeling myself bi-sexual for a long time it kept me open to the possibility of being with a woman. Now that I'm with a woman I wouldn't have it any other way and can say I am 100% heterosexual.

    However back to the subject, what I'm trying to understand is that you believe in that pick up art nonsense. Although it is true you can dress certain ways or do something to stand out from the rest (like hooli-hooping for 15 minutes non-stop). Hahah, that drives the women crazy when they see your hips move in such a position. :P That's not all women. Don't try to change who you are to try and impress some lady. Stay the way you are and communicate with your girlfriend. Communication is of the utmost importance. You need to find a lady that understands and accepts you for you. It may not be the one you've dreamed about but setting your preferences aside you will see that it was worth it to find someone that does accept you for you. It will make being with that person so much more enjoyable. You do not need fancy pick-up lines for this unique type of woman. All's you'll need is a few things in common to have a decent conversation with. Just do not OVERWHELM her with too much information to early in the relationship. You'll know when you can start talking about other things such as prostate massage, aneros, etc...

    In regards to you having wet dreams and having to build up sexual tension because of it. Damn, I wish I had wet dreams like that. Consider yourself lucky you have wet dreams so often and be happy with what you have. I am at loss for words though on helping you with this though, sorry.


    During sex, the only thing pleasurable was ejaculation? Wow, you must have totally missed another concept. I think it's more pleasurable to see how turned on you can get your woman. Instead of just jumping straight into sex you should experiment a lot with foreplay. There is so much more to sex than just the usual penetration. This is what separates the idea that you stated of a "real man." Foreplay plays such a huge role in everything both for you and your girlfriend. It was not enjoyable for you because you did not have the right feelings for that woman. Sex is a beautiful thing and it's a shame to see those abuse it with the one night stands. It creates one of the closest connections and bonds between two people. Done with the wrong people and not having the feelings then you have just hurt the purpose of this beautiful art.

    In regards to wanting to become multi-orgasmic prostatically first before having a relationship with a girlfriend, all's I can ask is, why on earth does this matter so much to you? Wanting is an attitude that will lead to expectations which only leads to frustration and therefore the super-O will elude you forever more, most definitely. Aneros should not become an addiction or lifestyle. It's sad that some have let it become one. It's a very hard habit to break once you do experience the super-O.

    It's part of the reason you don't see me around here much anymore. I have moved on. Make no mistake the Aneros and the Super-O can become very addictive and take over ones lifestyle if they let it. Don't make it a lifetime pursuit to be multiorgasmic at the sacrifice of not having relationships with women. We're only this age once and we might as well enjoy every bit of life we can.

    Good Luck!
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=ArcticWolves;89390]MyTurn, I haven't read this whole post. I did read that you are having some issues if you are gay or hetero and I feel you on this one. For I was once in the same position of questioning my sexuality of being gay, bi, or hetero. I had stuff that happened to me in my adolescent years that totally changed my life. By labeling myself bi-sexual for a long time it kept me open to the possibility of being with a woman. Now that I'm with a woman I wouldn't have it any other way and can say I am 100% heterosexual.


    Well, I am keeping my options open. I am really getting "back" into girls, after a decade of contemplating that I may be gay. Girls are amazing, it would be sad to go back to "gay". Bi is an acceptable middlegroud, although it is still not what I'd prefer to be.


    However back to the subject, what I'm trying to understand is that you believe in that pick up art nonsense.



    Nonsense because you say so? Because God did? Darwin did? Obama did? NATO did? Have you analysed everyone who has ever used PUA and measured their success and failure. How can you be so quick to rubbish something that you either don't believe works, or, that you don't know if it works for other people?


    Although it is true you can dress certain ways or do something to stand out from the rest (like hooli-hooping for 15 minutes non-stop). Hahah, that drives the women crazy when they see your hips move in such a position. :P That's not all women. Don't try to change who you are to try and impress some lady. Stay the way you are and communicate with your girlfriend. Communication is of the utmost importance. You need to find a lady that understands and accepts you for you.



    Yes, but girls have too many guys to sift through. They need to shortcut it. You need to stand out. Otherwise you won't make it to that "communication" point in the meeting/friendship/relationship. You stand out by displaying attractive qualities. Why is this so hard to accept for PUA haters? :P


    It may not be the one you've dreamed about but setting your preferences aside you will see that it was worth it to find someone that does accept you for you. It will make being with that person so much more enjoyable. You do not need fancy pick-up lines for this unique type of woman. All's you'll need is a few things in common to have a decent conversation with. Just do not OVERWHELM her with too much information to early in the relationship. You'll know when you can start talking about other things such as prostate massage, aneros, etc...



    True.


    In regards to you having wet dreams and having to build up sexual tension because of it. Damn, I wish I had wet dreams like that. Consider yourself lucky you have wet dreams so often and be happy with what you have. I am at loss for words though on helping you with this though, sorry.



    But would it not be better to NOT hve wet dreams and have the arousal constantly building up until all you have to do is think Aneros and you get a Pwave? Instead of restarting from 0 every so often?


    During sex, the only thing pleasurable was ejaculation? Wow, you must have totally missed another concept. I think it's more pleasurable to see how turned on you can get your woman.



    Meh. Men are 99.9999% all the same. Getting their pleasure from giving pleasure, seeing it given, rather than being the beneficiary. That's why girls have their eyes closed sometimes during sex. They seem to need less visuals, coz they FEEL it. Men can't feel the pleasure that a woman does, so they seem to need the woman's eyes rolling back, the woman moaning, etc, in order to make up for the lack of pleasure. Men's pleasure is somewhat based on the woman's demonstration of pleasure.


    Instead of just jumping straight into sex you should experiment a lot with foreplay. There is so much more to sex than just the usual penetration. This is what separates the idea that you stated of a "real man." Foreplay plays such a huge role in everything both for you and your girlfriend. It was not enjoyable for you because you did not have the right feelings for that woman. Sex is a beautiful thing and it's a shame to see those abuse it with the one night stands. It creates one of the closest connections and bonds between two people. Done with the wrong people and not having the feelings then you have just hurt the purpose of this beautiful art.



    True.


    In regards to wanting to become multi-orgasmic prostatically first before having a relationship with a girlfriend, all's I can ask is, why on earth does this matter so much to you?!



    Why does wanting extreme pleasure matter so much? LOL. Because pleasure feels nice???...I dunno what else to tell you??
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello MyTurn, :)

    Meh. Men are 99.9999% all the same. Getting their pleasure from giving pleasure, seeing it given, rather than being the beneficiary. That's why girls have their eyes closed sometimes during sex. They seem to need less visuals, coz they FEEL it. Men can't feel the pleasure that a woman does, so they seem to need the woman's eyes rolling back, the woman moaning, etc, in order to make up for the lack of pleasure. Men's pleasure is somewhat based on the woman's demonstration of pleasure.Your wearing your rose colored glasses again. :D What you've said here is all based on your own experience. Many men including myself get an immense amount of pleasure from sex before, during, and after ejaculatory orgasm. And if I follow your logic, then technically men shouldn't enjoy receiving and being the beneficiary of getting a blow job from a woman. Which I personally can tell you if very far from the truth. Giving the gal pleasure, and seeing her enjoy it is only one of many facets of the pleasure of foreplay and intercourse in sexual activity. There is no one way that women respond and enjoy sexual pleasure. Yes there is going to be some common things, but also some different responses. I've been with women who have enjoyed the visuals as much as the sensations, and also kept their eyes open at times. Generalizing and stereotyping women and their actions and responses is not going to be a helpful trait in your interactions with women. Allow them to be who they are, much as you would want them to allow you to be who you are.

    Love_is
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I'm sorry you're ignoring my remarks MyTurn but in your eyes I'm probably committing sacrilege and offending your beloved Mystery, so I forgive you.

    It's funny though how different people experience different things; In your world 'not being able to use the Aneros properly yet is killing your hunt for a gf', in my world the Aneros is killing my need for a gf, but then again you state something similar yourself
    [B]TOTALLY. If I had a Super O, I probably wouldn't want a woman. [/B]

    So to summarize: you want to become proficient with the Aneros so you can 'hunt'for a gf, but once you become proficient you won't feel the need for a woman.....
    Can I infer from this that woman and gf are two different things? Or does it mean you'll still hunt but you won't consummate? or perhaps 'hunting' should be taken more literally than I presumed?

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    Love_is: God= Love I'm starting to figure that one out.

    There are always exceptions to the rule but looking at why things are the way they are. Did you know for instance that when a woman is orgasming with sperm she's more chance of making baby? Just like with what most perceive as classical beauty is in fact the shape of woman that'll be most likely fertile.
    So there's a rational behind the male's role and enjoyment of giving a woman pleasure, why it's important for a man that a woman orgasms, why woman fake it so often. And yes I think the giving/receiving role extends further than just biological roles.

    As I explained to rakaaim when he brought up a similar argument with the blowjob, the mouth is just another receptical and I'd be surprised at a man that closes his eyes and keeps still while getting a blowjob. It's not in the man's nature to remain passive with a penis. The turn on of a blowjob is seeing a woman suck it, closing my eyes would spoil the pleasure, being completely still would spoil the pleasure
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Looks like 'Mystery' has gone way too far in his peacocking for pussy

    http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/7179965/__Man_met_hoorns_gearresteerd__.html?p=17,2
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=Love_is;89515]Hello MyTurn, :)

    what you've said here is all based on your own experience.


    Sorry, yes, I did generalize.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=Helixer;89537]I'm sorry you're ignoring my remarks MyTurn but in your eyes I'm probably committing sacrilege and offending your beloved Mystery, so I forgive you.


    I am not ignoring your remarks at all. But, once I ask you: "Why can't you accept that this works for some people, and not for others (such as yourself)?", you ignore me. It is not a rhetorical question.


    It's funny though how different people experience different things; In your world 'not being able to use the Aneros properly yet is killing your hunt for a gf', in my world the Aneros is killing my need for a gf, but then again you state something similar yourself



    A little context is needed: Not having reached my full potential with the Aneros is "killing" my hunt for a gf. And that was probably a little strong. I meant that it is a worry that I might find a GF before I reach my full potential with the Aneros. I do not want to be struggling with the Aneros once my time and arousal is taken up with a relationship. Do you understand what I mean?


    So to summarize: you want to become proficient with the Aneros so you can 'hunt'for a gf, but once you become proficient you won't feel the need for a woman.....
    Can I infer from this that woman and gf are two different things? Or does it mean you'll still hunt but you won't consummate? or perhaps 'hunting' should be taken more literally than I presumed?



    LMFAO! Yes, It is a little confusing. I don't know. I guess I just want the Aneros to work for me, then to find a GF that is fine with me using the Aneros.


    The turn on of a blowjob is seeing a woman suck it, closing my eyes would spoil the pleasure, being completely still would spoil the pleasure



    This proves my point: many men seem to need visuals to psychologically "remind" them that a sexual act is taking place. Many woman just FEEL it, and zone into it by closing their eyes and opening their mind, etc.
  • gabrial
    Posts: 31
    late but what the fuck . . .

    Forget the whole thing about gender and whether you are gay, straight or bi: partners are better then toys, no matter what they do for you. Toys are great by themsleves, with partners, but not a substitution for partners.

    Good luck, I hope you resolve your issues. But a word of warning, telling a prospective girl friend that you are in to receptive anal play may make them run, unless you find one who thinks your sexual practices are exotic. They are out there, more everyday. But on the whole your posts seem to go to a very very lonely place. Life is hard enough, unless you really want to be a hermit, consider your options in a different light.

    good luck.

    gaby
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    @Myturn, I hadn't noticed your message back, thanks to gabriel I have:


    I am not ignoring your remarks at all. But, once I ask you: "Why can't you accept that this works for some people, and not for others (such as yourself)?", you ignore me. It is not a rhetorical question



    I advise you to read #14 again. It's not a case of working or not working, it's more a case of wanting or not wanting. If you like yourself and the females you attract this way, then by all means....


    A little context is needed: Not having reached my full potential with the Aneros is "killing" my hunt for a gf. And that was probably a little strong. I meant that it is a worry that I might find a GF before I reach my full potential with the Aneros. I do not want to be struggling with the Aneros once my time and arousal is taken up with a relationship. Do you understand what I mean?



    The only way I can understand is if you want to be able compare which one is better ;) And I think this is a admirable thing, (after all you don't want to be stuck in a relationship,perhaps even make babies,when you experience the full extent of a Super O)coz Aneros is going to win,hands down.


    This proves my point: many men seem to need visuals to psychologically "remind" them that a sexual act is taking place. Many woman just FEEL it, and zone into it by closing their eyes and opening their mind, etc.



    I suggest you read http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-coz-men-only-think-one-thing-14725/
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    @Gabriel: You'll probably say it's subjective, but I believe you and Myturn have been suckered into believing that not having a gf=lonely. Believe it or not but I actually feel lonelier with a gf.

    Also that partners>toys, perhaps if you're gay, coz then you have the sexual gratification part as well as being on the same wavelength. See, this to me is the problem in the heterosexual interaction, men and women are so different from eachother due to different evolutionary motives and strategies that what made the sexual dynamic work was the fact that men are slaves to sex. Men thus adapt to women,not that this is a bad thing in itself, but the point being things we take for granted in society for 'being a man' are in fact indirect attributes, supplication for sex.
    For them to feel any kind of connection at all with eachother they both have to delude themselves, make projections onto the other sex that are more in line with their (evolutionary)nature.

    I was once speaking to a friend about this, he asked me(as my gospel of my experience with Aneros+Hashcake+erotic imagery isn't just restricted to this forum)if there was nothing at all I missed in not having a gf, the frenchkissing I thought perhaps. But then that same night while using the magic combo, cumming hard, SuperOing, I tried to imagine kissing a woman at the same time, I actually felt my pleasure diminish. Sure I can understand when you're 'warming up'(the first hour or so)there might be a place for a woman to kiss you and turn you on, but when the SuperO really starts to kick in I really just want to be left alone so I can focus on the inward pleasure.At such a time I wouldn't want any female around no matter how pretty she is, it would only distract.

    The evolutionary reason men want to be with women is coz we're slaves to sex, the Super O is what you can call our LIBERATION from the evolutionary predicament we're in. And in the words of Martin Luther King:"We're free at last, thank Godallmighty we're free at last"
    So now perhaps men can stop killing eachother so that women can go shopping in shoppingmalls and buy stuff that will be 'unfashionable' tomorrow, men can finally release themselves from this indirect link to the petty, superficial, MATERialistic world of the female. Looking at the state of the planet I'd say the Aneros is a Godsent, perhaps our last chance of salvation.
  • JayT
    Posts: 14
    Yikes! If you're following Mystery Method, you're wasting your time. Look, we're all entitled to our own opinion but I've spent a lot of time on this subject. Memorizing routines and caned lines will get you NOWHERE. Trying to be someone who you're not is a step back in evolution. As someone said above, there is not clear defined and set rule to picking up women and it's all subjective I suppose.

    In the Mystery Method, you automatically assume lower value, hence the negs (lowers female value to boost you own).With that sort of mentality you will NEVER come off as an authentic human being looking for an authentic interaction. Sure, that stuff is cool to do but... only if it's coming from your core being and not as a "tactic" to squirm your way under her radar. I found this video of a classic Mystery interaction, watch it YouTube - Date Fail Mystery Method Exposed PUA! here is another YouTube - Date Fail "Mikey Aka Pick Up Artist"

    Think of it this way. We all want to have a fun interaction without any hidden motives that might come off as "what is this person hiding". We've all had interactions with someone that's putting on an act. Those interactions ALWAYS put an edge that makes you think "wtf is wrong with this person", "I may not be able to put a finger on it and I'm not willing to waste my time and energy to figure it out" and they will blow you off, you're simply not someone worthy of their trust.

    Put yourself out there, man. Be who YOU are.. not some arbitrary actor on the prowl for someone who will fall for your tactics. And honestly, would you really want to be with someone who falls for the person you are not? Do you have a problem being YOU? If so, GO OUT. Go out as often as you can and as many times as you can. It's hard, I know this. It's the only REAL way to hone your social skills and maybe even figure out who you really are. All those layers of "Ross Jeffries" and "Mystery" will need to be shed sooner or later. The sooner you realize this the better.

    I realize my opinion on this subject is VERY strong. I've learned from experience as should everyone else out there.

    As far as the wet dreams go. In my opinion it's natures way of letting you know that you need to ejaculate. You can't hold it off forever. It's said that sperm is our life force. In the same way it can heal it can also poison. You have to keep a fine balance and recognize when It's time to ejaculate and when you shouldn't.
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    I just got to say that all this "be yourself" stuff only goes so far, and it always interests me how the "be yourself" crowd fails to acknowledge that for many people, "be yourself" is a prescription for indefinite solitude.

    I think a lot of the PUA stuff quickly becomes a parody of itself, but I absolutely believe that many of its core attitude adjustments are extremely fruitful learning for guys who got off to the wrong start with women from a young age. Those who dismiss it entirely, to my mind, are taking too black and white a view of it.
  • JayT
    Posts: 14
    You're absolutely right. Being yourself isn't always good enough. What we should be saying is "be your BEST self". There is an NLP presupposition that says; If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten. So in that case, yeah, you have to start somewhere.

    This guy explains what I was trying to say much better than I ever could.
    YouTube - RSD Tyler: Absolute Core Of Natural Game [1/2]

    YouTube - RSD Tyler: Absolute Core Of Natural Game [2/2]
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    Roger that. And in my case, PUA was very helpful in understanding why MY best foot forward, which is quite successful in every *other* social context, goes absolutely nowhere with engaging women on any animal level. So it hasn't changed who I am or how I behave, but at least resolved some frustrating questions. That's why I'm averse to any blanket condemnations of PUA altogether - some guys need to at least be exposed to the POV.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    "Aneros killing my 'hunt' for a gf"

    Yeah and supermarkets are killing my hunt for wild animals!

    Back in the good ol' days we used to go hunting, it wasn't coz we liked killing animals but because we had a need for food. Since this need is now taken care of, we prefer to leave the killing to the sickos, sadists and butchers;)
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=gabrial;90315]late but what the fuck . . .

    Forget the whole thing about gender and whether you are gay, straight or bi: partners are better then toys, no matter what they do for you. Toys are great by themsleves, with partners, but not a substitution for partners.


    Thanks for replying, gabrial. Well, yes and no. Of course the intimacy, the emotional connection, spirituality, etc is necessary and a huge part of sex.

    But balance that out with some testimonials here where men say the Aneros is the best sexual experience they've ever had! So their wife/GF did not provide it. Plastic did!

    So on one hand, you have the intimacy, and on the other, the personal pleasure. Who's to say that you NEED one or the other?

    Women get them both in a man - usually. Why should we only be content with one?


    Good luck, I hope you resolve your issues. But a word of warning, telling a prospective girl friend that you are in to receptive anal play may make them run, unless you find one who thinks your sexual practices are exotic. They are out there, more everyday. But on the whole your posts seem to go to a very very lonely place. Life is hard enough, unless you really want to be a hermit, consider your options in a different light.

    good luck.

    gaby



    Thanks. Personally, I also find not experiencing the full range of pleasure while being able to provide it, a lonely place too.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=Helixer;90316]@Myturn, I hadn't noticed your message back, thanks to gabriel I have:



    I advise you to read #14 again. It's not a case of working or not working, it's more a case of wanting or not wanting. If you like yourself and the females you attract this way, then by all means....



    Do you mean that negging - a comment to show that she has no value to you yet because she hasn't shown any (affection, attention, courtesy, etc) to you, to show that you are a man that won't be her bitch and try to impress her in order to get her, to differentiate yourself from the guys that flatter her in order to fuck her, to show that she isn't as perfect as she has herself believe, to show that you have options of other girls if she doesn't take this chance with you now, to preserve your self-value and self-worth...

    That's the same as physically abusing her?

    Negging is showing her she can accept you as you are or leave coz you aren't here to please her - at least without her pleasing you in return.

    Abuse is forcing yourself on her and inflicting pain.

    It's no different from "telling kids off" if you are a parent. Is saying: "don't touch the fire, Jonny" - an abuse of parental power? Is telling your kid to hurry up for school being overly domineering?

    You're the one who said women are passive. Even to the point of rape fantasies. When a man is passive, needy, desperate and clueless towards a woman, it is not attractive usually. Not in my experience anyway.



    The only way I can understand is if you want to be able compare which one is better ;) And I think this is a admirable thing, (after all you don't want to be stuck in a relationship,perhaps even make babies,when you experience the full extent of a Super O)coz Aneros is going to win,hands down.



    So, what WOULD you choose? A wife or your Aneros? I mean, if you could only have ONE.



    I will put that in my text to speech software and listen soon.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    The similarity is the same as the reason why some women are attracted to bad boys, jerks etc.
    It's their twisted way of associating that lousy attitude(that amongst others could lead to the women getting beaten up)with a 'strong man'.
    To me these women are damaged.... to me Mystery is deranged, why would I want to act like him when his way of acting(negging, peacocking, conveying high social status,etc) I find repulsive? The type of women he picks up this way I find repulsive? and, as I find myself much more appealing than this Mystery clown, why would I want to be like him?

    To me it's about communication, staying true to who you are, but learning to communicate in a different way with women. Like you speak differently to e.g. a dog coz they're fysiologically different from men, so you have to speak differently to women. Language has a different impact on women than it does on men. It's as simple as that.
    Anyway pm if you want to learn more.

    So, what WOULD you choose? A wife or your Aneros? I mean, if you could only have ONE

    .

    I don't want to marry anyhow, so that's an easy choise to make. Basically I believe that men and women are only adapted to eachother for one thing, all the rest is chimera.
  • [QUOTE=MyTurn;90826]
    So, what WOULD you choose? A wife or your Aneros? I mean, if you could only have ONE.


    If you asked me this question last year I would have said Aneros. Now though I can confidently say that I would choose my girl over a silly piece of plastic anytime.

    Why? Well if you find the right woman in your life whom loves being around you for you then the easy answer is the bond and having someone to share everything in life with. A woman means much more to me than a piece of plastic and I'm willing to make that sacrifice. My girlfriend and I listen and communicate very well with each other. We understand each other on so many levels. Now if you find the right woman in your life who understands and supports your prostate pleasure well now you have just heightened that bond when she's able to see how much pleasure guys can have from prostate massage. In time, you will be able to implement it into your sex life and then you'll have the best of both worlds as you're fucking your girl and getting intense pleasure at the same time. As they say, nothing beats the real thing. This includes sex but moreover having the contact and relationship with a woman is something I'm never willing to give up now that I have experienced it.

    I choose my woman over Aneros to answer your question.

    Good luck in your pursuits.
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    Based on my experiences with women to date (and not just a few), I'll take the plastic (especially lately, when my Aneros time has become as vivid and extraordinary as fucking itself). In my case, anyway, but all the women's instincts that Helixer alludes to make them a poor fit with me, personally.

    Though I'm not knocking your own happiness, Wolves.
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    What I had with my ex girlfriend before things went bad was the happiest time in my life. Having an amazing connection and being fully immersed in love is like nothing else. I feel it's more important than experiencing MMO's. Though like AW stated. There's really no reason why you can't have your cake and eat it too. Besides an aneros is not necessary to achieve MMO's any ways so really the question is moot. No need for sex toys when our body's/minds are all the sex toy we really need.
  • Tremelo
    Posts: 141
    I could honestly repeat your first sentence exactly, except that it ended so badly that I no longer believe partnership is viable, at least not for me. (I bring certain virtues to the table that I believe women are predisposed to abuse, and I'm not going to change who I am, not the right things about me anyway.)
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    [QUOTE=Billy11;90861]What I had with my ex girlfriend before things went bad was the happiest time in my life. Having an amazing connection and being fully immersed in love is like nothing else. I feel it's more important than experiencing MMO's. Though like AW stated. There's really no reason why you can't have your cake and eat it too. Besides an aneros is not necessary to achieve MMO's any ways so really the question is moot. No need for sex toys when our body's/minds are all the sex toy we really need.

    Just like you don't need a sextoy to achieve mmos you don't need a gf to be happy. Based on what you said earlier, seems like for you having a gf was conditional to your happiness? Since the love you felt for her was a projection of what you already feel inside why let this feeling be dependant on a gf? Sure I enjoy intimacy with a women just like everyone else, just don't make it into any more than that. Coz if you place yourself in that situation, women have you by the balls and wouldn't give a damn if you selfdestructed
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    BTW: don't make em leek this anymore

    frauen mit schwanz
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    You are one argumentative, but intriguing mo-fo, lol. :)

    [QUOTE=Helixer;90845]The similarity is the same as the reason why some women are attracted to bad boys, jerks etc.
    It's their twisted way of associating that lousy attitude(that amongst others could lead to the women getting beaten up)with a 'strong man'.
    To me these women are damaged.... to me Mystery is deranged, why would I want to act like him when his way of acting(negging, peacocking, conveying high social status,etc) I find repulsive? The type of women he picks up this way I find repulsive? and, as I find myself much more appealing than this Mystery clown, why would I want to be like him?


    I am gonna number my questions to see which ones you answer.

    (1). So what is your method of preserving your self-value when putting your arse on the line to approach a girl?: "Hey, you look attractive. I'm Helixer. I work at bla bla. How do you do? Can I buy you a drink? What can I do to impress you?" etc.

    (2) Why do you have a problem with guys empowering themselves to think: "let me give this girl the opportunity to amaze me. I won't give away my self-value - i.e. buying her a drink so she talks to me, after all, you wouldn't buy a guy a drink." It is about not doing stuff that makes you look desperate. I don't know why you find it hard to believe that some men need this.

    Women have their Cosmo!, Hello!, etc advice column sections. (3) Is it bad that a man ask for help too? (4) What is wrong with being told how to put your best foot forward. (5) What is wrong with learning social dynamics?

    All this "be yourself" stuff is beyond bullshi
    t. How is that advice? That is like telling the sky to be blue. You already ARE yourself, hence the SHIT you're in!!!

    OK, you tell me what is wrong with each of these facets of pickup:

    (a): Don't buy a girl a drink in order to get her to talk to you, in order to buy her time, in order to impress her.
    (b): In a similar way that women dress up, wear clothes to show off your personality, dress sense, physique, hell, even ass.
    (c): After you get a girl's number, if you call her at 4pm and you have a good talk, don't call her again at 6pm, 9.30pm, 11pm, 12pm, 1am and send various unnecessary texts about how you wanna see her.


    To me it's about communication, staying true to who you are, but learning to communicate in a different way with women. Like you speak differently to e.g. a dog coz they're fysiologically different from men, so you have to speak differently to women. Language has a different impact on women than it does on men. It's as simple as that.
    Anyway pm if you want to learn more.

    I will pm you coz that is some abstract theory that doesn't mean anything except to you. What does "learning to communicate" even mean? How do I know when I have learnt? OK language has a different impact, ok, so what do I do with that info?


    I don't want to marry anyhow, so that's an easy choise to make. Basically I believe that men and women are only adapted to eachother for one thing, all the rest is chimera.

    OK, then....
    GIRLFRIEND vs ANEROS?
    FUCKBUDDY vs ANEROS?
    ONE NIGHT STANDS vs ANEROS?
    PLAYBOY BUNNIES vs ANEROS?

    Which????
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=Helixer;90867]BTW: don't make em leek this anymore

    frauen mit schwanz

    Next time, please put a little warning.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I've pm'd you. Read what I sent you, then all will be revealed. I can't be bothered writing about it as the one who wrote the book does a much better job than I do.

    What you don't speak German?, how insular! ;)
    To answer the rest of your questions....

    GIRLFRIEND vs ANEROS?
    FUCKBUDDY vs ANEROS?
    ONE NIGHT STANDS vs ANEROS?
    PLAYBOY BUNNIES vs ANEROS?

    Which????



    .Í think they're all ludicrous, sorry.....in what kind of insane world would I have to choose
  • [QUOTE=JayT;90333]You're absolutely right. Being yourself isn't always good enough. What we should be saying is "be your BEST self". There is an NLP presupposition that says; If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten. So in that case, yeah, you have to start somewhere.

    This guy explains what I was trying to say much better than I ever could.
    YouTube - RSD Tyler: Absolute Core Of Natural Game [1/2]

    YouTube - RSD Tyler: Absolute Core Of Natural Game [2/2]
    Nice videos..imageimage:)
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    Hardly anyone speaks German, and fewer speak Dutch. First or second language.

    Any Dutch person I've ever interacted with spoke perfect, American-sounding English. Dutch is almost like Quechua in Chile. It's like a minority language of the older generation. Most people in Chile speak Spanish. Just like many people in Holland speak English. TV shows aren't dubbed but subtitled for you guys coz it isn't worth employing dubbers and going to that hassle.

    I do speak French, well I did. And I learn Spanish. 400 million speakers and a presence in the USA and now in London.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    Helixer, answer the questions in my post please? If you can!!!!
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Read the fucking book, if you don't want help, fine, pretend you're Mystery see how you, the shy insecure mommies boy get on ;)
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    I will read the book. I downloaded it, but not tonight at 2.15am coz I won't read it properly. Tomorrow I will. Will you answer the questions in my post, or can't you deal with it?
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    As I said, if you read the book all your questions will become superfluous and you'll understand that you CAN be yourself, just learn to communicate on the level of the female. And understand that women think differently learn to take advantage of this, just like women take advantage by wearing sexy clothes

    btw, just for the record, wtf do you mean?


    [B]All this "be yourself" stuff is beyond bullshit. How is that advice? That is like telling the sky to be blue. You already ARE yourself, hence the SHIT you're in!!![/B]



    Unless you are speaking about your own situation, which doesn't seem to be the case as you've tried to become a Mystery clone, saying I am in the shit is a preposterous claim to make. Just coz I'm not trying to be Mystery doesn't mean I'm in the shit, au contraire......
  • Do you have the self-esteem to talk to ladies? Are you trying to fuck the ladies on the first time you meet them? What are you looking for exactly? Being yourself is the way to go. If you aren't in shape then get in shape. Sex appeal to ladies does count just as sex appeal counts towards your judgment. Look good! Say hello. Engage in conversation and you'll have so many girlfriends you won't know what to do with them.

    Seriously, you're way to worried about this pick-up stuff. Go walking, talk to the girl, say something nice or funny. See how they react. Then you're off! Enjoy flirting with all the women at your disposal. :D

    Some may not talk oh well. Move on... don't dwell on the rejection. Courage (Self-Esteem) to talk my friend. They just want someone to talk to and will listen to them. Not at first but you'll see! Have fun!
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    [QUOTE=ArcticWolves;90910]Do you have the self-esteem to talk to ladies? Are you trying to fuck the ladies on the first time you meet them? What are you looking for exactly? Being yourself is the way to go. If you aren't in shape then get in shape. Sex appeal to ladies does count just as sex appeal counts towards your judgment. Look good! Say hello. Engage in conversation and you'll have so many girlfriends you won't know what to do with them.

    Seriously, you're way to worried about this pick-up stuff. Go walking, talk to the girl, say something nice or funny. See how they react. Then you're off! Enjoy flirting with all the women at your disposal. :D

    Some may not talk oh well. Move on... don't dwell on the rejection. Courage (Self-Esteem) to talk my friend. They just want someone to talk to and will listen to them. Not at first but you'll see! Have fun!

    OK, there is some middle ground to be had.

    It amazes me how much the "be yourself, just say hello and before you know it, you will be raped by supermodels" stuff is bandied about. Obviously, not everyone can display their "best self" or best aspects in an appropriate or appealing way.

    Would you agree that at least learning some social dynamics would help? Let's say: Instead of asking a girl out on a packed train and embarrassing her, making her feel cheap if she gives you her number, ask her once you get off, if you both get off at the last stop. Not everyone knows this or has this idea in their head.

    How are we fine with being taught how to speak, read, write, etc, but interaction is "ohhh no, don't do that, just be yourself". I AM myself!

    The middle ground is:
    (A): don't imitate any pick-up artist you learn from.
    (B): just as PUAs display their best self, you do that too: show you dress well, show you're confident, etc, don't bother with trying to impress her, show her who you are.

    That is more specific than "be yourself". That's the trouble with that. There is no specific advice. Advice may have to differ from person to person, but this "be yourself" stuff is a blanket, naive "hope".
  • Dress Well means don't look like a bum or street person unless that's your cup of tea. Show I'm confident? LOL nah just talk to them it takes a hell of a lot of confidence to talk to them. You wanting to meet "supermodels" image needs to get out of your head. They are in demand and way too many guys all over them. They know all the tricks and can play them right back on you and you'll fall into their traps. If you want a supermodel though then keep carrying on reading your PUA stuff as it will get you nowhere pretty much. These girls know they are in demand and have a wealth of guys to choose from. Impress her however you want but don't impress her by being something you're not or that relationship will be gone before you know it.

    Sure some social standards are obvious: Open any door for her, walk on the outside to prevent her from harm and cars splashing her with mud, Give her "space" but more closer space. A lot of what you're missing is all the nonverbal communication that women are masters at. Call to make sure she made it home safely. Sure there's certain etiquette but I guess I just assume everyone knows this.

    Seriously, engage the lady in a conversation. Sounds like to me you're trying to find a "dream woman" (supermodel) for a one night stand. Better to reevaluate your desires, goals and standards in a woman and not base them so much on appearance. The one thing all your reading about PUA can't do is give you the courage (guts/self-esteem) to talk to a woman. That comes from within and if you're constantly worried about all the other minor stuff that doesn't matter, then you're never going to get anywhere with them. Who am I to say this though. Sorry for starting another ball of fire.

    You're worried way to much on the mechanics of "picking up" a woman. You need to start talking to women and not being afraid to get rejected. Rejection hurts but don't make up excuses about it because you didn't have the right PUA mechanics. Move on... Don't dwell on it.... talk to another lady, and another... etc... You'll soon have the confidence in now going about talking to a woman and being your "best self." You sitting talking about it and trying to justify your things with valid arguments isn't getting you anywhere obviously. Get out there and start talking.
  • MyTurn
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    ok ArticWolves. Just one point: I didn't mean "supermodels" literally - most blonde, brunette types aren't my type. I usually prefer from dark European (Spanishy) down to Black, anyway. What I meant was girls with the "ego" of a supermodel, or who get treated as if they were.

    Which is most goodlooking women!!
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