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Is the Aneros Sexual?
  • I know most would say "Your prostate is a sex organ", "well duh you cum don't you?".

    Lets imagine for a moment you found a special place on your foot. To your amazement if you rub it long enough and just right, it would trigger a release of endorphins. If feels really good, however it doesn't feel anything like copulation. Would you call this sexual? Would you call what you felt "orgasm?"

    This is sort of like the Aneros experience to me. For me "sexuality" is very closely association with the biological need to spread our seed. I have certain methods that are tried and true for very effectively satisfying that need. Stuff like porn and fantasy is almost always effective at having an ejaculatory orgasm.

    However Aneros requires a different road. Porn doesn't work, often it is actually distracting. Music works better. I would NEVER have considered jacking off to music before. There is a neediness, a lustufullness, selfishness associating with traditional orgasm. With the aneros there is an openness, and acceptance. When the aneros is really working I don't feel as though my sex is being stroked but the core of my being is being manipulated.

    For me the Aneros is about pure pleasure and sensuality, but not about sex. For me the super orgasm is a Pleasure orgasm not a sexual orgasm. We all use the word orgasm because it is the closest thing we know... however even though it relates it is different somehow. I personally don't really like the super orgasm/traditional orgasm chart. I don't see the super orgasm as a just simply a higher form of the traditional orgasm. For me the chart would split at some point. One branch would go towards traditional orgasm and the other would go in a totally different direction towards super orgasm.

    Maybe I just totally misunderstood what sexuality was about, or is the Aneros something other than sexual?
  • fnog9
    Posts: 7
    I find it is both a relaxing thing, and also a sexual thing. I sometimes use the aneros for relaxation, but more often I use it to build up super intense sexual energy. The aneros isn't just sexual, it takes sexuality to another level. To me, suggesting an aneros session isn't a sexual thing is about as logical as making the argument that taking coke isn't about getting high because it's a step above marijuana.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Hi chris_SoCal and fnog9! :D :D Fnog9, welcome to the forum and our great exploratory community too!

    I know most would say "Your prostate is a sex organ", "well duh you cum don't you?".

    Lets imagine for a moment you found a special place on your foot. To your amazement if you rub it long enough and just right, it would trigger a release of endorphins. If feels really good, however it doesn't feel anything like copulation. Would you call this sexual? Would you call what you felt "orgasm?"



    At first glance, no... But, and butt!... Chris you have asked a key question, perhaps THE key question in all of this aneros "training wheels" adventuring! Thank you very much for putting this question so clearly and in such a heart-felt way.

    IMHO, we have to begin by recalling explicitly that the whole point of the aneros project is to get we males to "untie" to disconnect and separate our orgasmic neuromuscular response from our ejaculatory neuromuscular response. So, this disqualifies at least half of your "special place on your foot" analogy. Because, our prostate is a core part of our sexual apparatus, not a disconnected "other" part of our male body. And yet...

    This is sort of like the Aneros experience to me. For me "sexuality" is very closely association with the biological need to spread our seed. I have certain methods that are tried and true for very effectively satisfying that need. Stuff like porn and fantasy is almost always effective at having an ejaculatory orgasm.



    Sounds like you have had a clearer sense of the ejaculatory/... :shock: .../orgasmic differentiation earlier and more effectively than many. Did you sense this in your life B.A., Before Aneros? BTW, may I ask how old you are?

    So you have a very clear mental-model/internal-body-image, and you have your ejaculatory track well planned and rehearsed! All excellent, BTW. Ideally we all do. You hypothesize finding (what about intentionally using?) a spot on your foot as an orgasmic energetics arousal trigger point, like your prostate.

    As rook reports in his post below, others are actually doing this kind of thing with fingers and wrists, or other non-genital/breast body parts. It has been said often that our skin, all over, is our biggest sex organ. Then again, that has also been said of our brain, particularly if you also count the gut brain, our second major one, to which a lot of our pelvic basin and the ano-rectal-prostate tissues and much more are connected!!!

    Well then we can transfer our erotic responses trigger points toward both orgasm and ejaculation to almost anywhere on or in our bodies! So, the seed planting initiating impulse and the separated orgasm initiating impulse can both be displaced to almost anywhere. They naturally pervade our being.

    A little harder to separate, and yet I essentially share the same sense of separation as you, and a growing sense of separation as my journey and explorations continue.

    And we need to do exactly what you are doing and discussing here, appreciating and feeling the differentiation/analysis, while at the same time, never losing and in fact much more appreciating the unity/synthesis/reintegration of the eros in all, as well as the many other dimensions of sensual and spiritual orgasmic energetics. It is all therefore, IMHO a case of BOTH/AND, at the core of fully developing what Aneros has to offer.

    Perhaps the stages of this experience, as you and other document it in our journeys here, can also be added to alv's great chart of the range of orgasmic responses: http://www.aneros.com/forum/comparing-a-super-o-to-traditional-o-t4858.html

    However Aneros requires a different road. Porn doesn't work, often it is actually distracting. Music works better. I would NEVER have considered jacking off to music before. There is a neediness, a lustufullness, selfishness associating with traditional orgasm. With the aneros there is an openness, and acceptance. When the aneros is really working I don't feel as though my sex is being stroked but the core of my being is being manipulated.



    Here is where we differ a little in our experience/preferences. I have jacked off to music over the years and decades. So have many others. Think Bolero as just one example! :lol: It used to be said that a woman couldn't compose a classical symphony and certain other forms of music because, the final movement is essentially the male build-up and final ejaculatory orgasmic release of great tensions. Just listen to them!

    This is butt one example of how sex and sexual response resonates all through our minds and our cultures around the world as a primal experience and universal metaphor among metaphors in our mental life. Hormones and harmonies, mind games and melodies, all weave sexuality as well as sensuality into our lives night and day, deep in the heart of us all. Robert Jourdain's Music, The Brain, and Ecstasy: How Music Captures Our Imagination, is a helpful tour of these possibilities.

    The built environment we exist in is not immune either. Plumbers do nothing but innovate male and female couplings 24/7. Read Hypnerotomachia Poliphili, eros of architecture, by Francesco Colonna (a prostatic pseudonym?) translated for the first time into English only a decade ago by Joscelyn Godwin.

    Whether one has synaesthesia or not, we all function by the constant interplay of our memories and imaginations in response to current perceptual incoming! We are never without our sex hormones and conscious or subconscious antennae twitching. Our whole world and our whole enfleshed being are inevitably profoundly eroticized. Butt that is never the whole story either.

    So the key to the prostate/Aneros is that it is BOTH/AND rather than either/or.

    For me the Aneros is about pure pleasure and sensuality, but not about sex. For me the super orgasm is a Pleasure orgasm not a sexual orgasm. We all use the word orgasm because it is the closest thing we know... however even though it relates it is different somehow. I personally don't really like the super orgasm/traditional orgasm chart. I don't see the super orgasm as a just simply a higher form of the traditional orgasm. For me the chart would split at some point. One branch would go towards traditional orgasm and the other would go in a totally different direction towards super orgasm.

    Maybe I just totally misunderstood what sexuality was about, or is the Aneros something other than sexual?



    I agree and that is what alv has been working on charting too. The chart "splits" and yet it is always our whole being, reintegrated! (See the link above.) IMHO, Aneros is a great extender and generalizer of our sexuality and, at the same time, goes way beyond into realms of reintegrating our whole being, far far more than a "sex toy".

    As I work/explore more and more with the energetics of this and even return to my genitals in a non-ejaculatory intention, finding other stimulus opportunities there in what you might characterize as a non-sexual way, I am thrilled with the sensual orgasmic experiences in this male mode of experience too: http://www.aneros.com/displayblog.php?id=3544

    Sex has been terribly split by certain religious and social efforts that cycle through civilization from time to time and de-naturalize sex, and try to control it with hurtful even hateful misconceptions that are unnatural and unscientific, as well as immoral. Aneros's contributions to men's health potentially go way beyond prostate therapy for BPH and Prostatitis. That is another important discussion sometime soon.

    Thanks so much Chris for your lucid, crisp, beautiful exposition of your sensing of this key phenomena in all of this adventure.

    all the best orgasmic/pleasure-id/life-force/spiritual integrated whole being all

    artform
  • rookrook
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    I know most would say "Your prostate is a sex organ", "well duh you cum don't you?".

    Lets imagine for a moment you found a special place on your foot. To your amazement if you rub it long enough and just right, it would trigger a release of endorphins. If feels really good, however it doesn't feel anything like copulation. Would you call this sexual?



    I call it "sensual," a means of building arousal. About two months ago I attended a marketing meeting where a facilitator had the group using fingertips, hands and wrists to experience sensuality. I adopted that as an arousal tool and it works well. With the Aneros inserted, I can build pelvic, penis, prostate arousal with just finger/hand/wrist excitation.

    Would you call what you felt "orgasm?"



    The important thing that alv and frenchy boy communicated is that the Super-O is a "whole-brain" experience. I'm still approaching it too rapidly. My current Mini-O is overly intense and focused in too limited an area of my brain--it triggers a Migraine situation that's an arousal killer.

    Alv's and Frenchy boy's excellent diagrams resonate with my 'nuts and bolts' approach to plateau building. If I label the plateaus in their Phase 2 as 2A, 2B, 2C and 2D it makes sense that I'm not allowing myself to linger (and smell the roses) in Phase 2. For three months, I've been making it to "2A" then, by adding nipple and foot stim I skyrocket to an intense Mini-O.

    When I was in my teens, my orgasm resulting from ejaculation lasted 15 to 30 seconds and I'd vocalize its presence. Fifty years later that had shortened just one or two seconds and was over before the urge to vocalize hit. The Aneros experience has lengthened my Trad-O to about 5 seconds and I'm getting more expressive about it (small 'tiger' chuffle).

    I must learn to fully exploit the 2B, 2C and 2D plateaus before easing (falling ?) into Phase 3. I liken this to ice fishing -- can't either see or capture that fish but must patiently 'temp' the fish to take the bait and the hook!

    For me the Aneros is about pure pleasure and sensuality, but not about sex.



    Hey bro Chris -- I think you've got that right. The sensual feeling from a vagina wrapped around one's cock is definitely pleasurable and offers a brief reward. Having my rectum wrapped around an Aneros is also pleasurable and I'm hoping for a longer and more intense reward.
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  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Well gentlemen all! :D

    Sorry to take so long to complete my response to your great question and discussion chris_SoCal. fnog9, welcome to the forum and these great conversations. Rook your expansion on this from your experience is a great addition and evolving reframing of the possibilities.

    Plantation, does this help, because I agree with Chris that the "core of my being is being manipulated" assuming the use of "manipulated" is seen as something we choose to do to ourselves and not by an outside agent, malevolent or friendly! :lol:

    I hope we can think about this in connection with alv's chart as he and frenchyBoy continue to refine it.

    all the best sexual and non-sexual orgasmic energetics and whole being reintegration all

    artform
  • I really can't get behind the notion that Aneros is sexual. As a liberal minded straight guy, anything else would probably rob me of my innocence. :oops:

    Seriously, and I'm with Artform here:
    "As I work/explore more and more with the energetics of this and even return to my genitals in a non-ejaculatory intention, finding other stimulus opportunities there in what you might characterize as a non-sexual way, I am thrilled with the sensual orgasmic experiences in this male mode of experience too..."

    It is most definitely, IMHO, THE most sensual of experiences and feelings. Somehow, I never connect it with a sexual act. I guess that's because I have never had anal sex, at least to this point, and that allows me to disconnect very easily.

    Rather, it not only appeals to my need for physical release garnered through its use, but it meets my much-higher-sought mental needs as well. I guess I didn't realize that I had these higher mental needs, aka spiritual needs, before accepting the Aneros as an alternative to masturbation or sex, initially. Obviously, it's far, far more at this point.

    After rewiring, however, I see Aneros as a much more body/spirit enhancing experience than I have ever felt about straight sex or masturbation. It's simply not sexual, for me.

    Dunno...one of the great mysteries we get to ponder. Whoda thunk these little plastic "gizmos" (thanks Chuck or whomever) would lead to such enormous ponderings?

    C
  • alvalv
    Posts: 179
    chris_SoCal and the above responses are interesting, made me sit back and think about the question.
    The Webster Encyclopaedic Unabridged dictionary defines sexual as:
    1 : of or pertaining to or for sex
    2 : occurring between or involving the sexes
    3 : having sexual organs or reproducing by a process using both sexes

    we also need to look at the definition of lust:
    1 : intense sexual desire or appetite
    2 : passionate or overmastering desire or craving
    3 : ardent enthusiasm, zest or relish
    4 : pleasure or delight, desire, inclination or wish

    so from above two definitions I would initially say the Aneros is not sexual, after experiencing the Aneros we lust to use it, the Aneros evokes what we wrongly describe as a sexual response, an erection and pleasurable feelings by prostate and anal stimulation, a state of ecstasy and the subsequent orgasmic response.

    I purposely used wrongly above, as the journey of pleasures the Aneros gives us is so different to sexual pleasures, it is a new dimension but has parallels to sexual pleasure. Furthermore, our response to the Aneros is new to the knowledge of humankind, we have no better way than to reference this Aneros journey to our sexual experiences and and as such classify it as sexual. However, some have integrating the Aneros journey into their sexual acts to reach higher peaks, which then makes the Aneros a sexual aid.

    The real question actually is "Is an orgasm sexual" to which I can answer "not necessarily"
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Thanks cockadoodle and alv for your rich commentaries, and welcome to this conversation!! :D :D

    The philosophical door that has always found my favour is phenomenology, the science of phenomena, which focuses on consciousness and the objects/nature of direct experience. The meaning of our varied forms of internal time consciousness my particular saddle burr. That is a related story for another time.

    One of the most accessible books about simply being this way is David Abram's book: The Spell of the Sensuous: Perception and Language in a More-Than-Human World. This is the most acclaimed and popular book that I ever introduced to our non-fiction book club and the book store still has to keep re-stocking it due to the ever expanding word-of-mouth spreading demand.

    Sensuous rather than sensual. Dictionary defs I checked still put a substantial sexual overtone to "sensual". Apparently John Milton (1641) coined the word sensuous specifically to avoid the sexual in sensual. I think we are talking about that fine distinction here too. Unfortunately, as the dictionary advises, in modern usage, this distinction has gone foggy and that one find another term if it is the non-sexual meaning one wants to convey.

    Speaking of Milton, I hope you have all read TXcoyote's post in rikaaim's fabulous thread of his visionary travel orgasm, My Eupho Experience: http://www.aneros.com/forum/my-eupho-experience-t4831.html

    TXc said in part:

    >>>One of the ways in which your post resonated was in reminding me of this passage from Milton. In "Paradise Lost" the archangel Michael visits Adam and Eve in every bit as corporeal a form as they have and dines with them. Adam ventures to ask whether angels experience love. And since Milton makes it plain that Adam and Eve had sex long before the fall, by "love," Adam means just what he and Eve experience. Milton says,

    The Angel with a smile that glowed
    Celestial rosy red, love’s proper hue,
    Answered. “Let it suffice thee that thou know’st
    Us happy, and without love no happiness.
    Whatever pure thou in the body enjoy’st
    (And pure thou wert created) we enjoy
    In eminence, and obstacle find none
    Of membrane, joint, or limb, exclusive bars:
    Easier than air with air, if Spirits embrace,
    Total they mix, union of pure with pure
    Desiring; nor restrained conveyance need
    As flesh to mix with flesh, or soul with soul.”
    (Book VIII, lines 614-629)

    I doubt Milton was using an Aneros when he wrote these lines.<<<<br />
    And that last distinction flesh with flesh, OR, soul with soul. Or meeting one's deeper being and meaning through the non-sexual sensuous capacity of our enfleshed being and core personhood, the areligious or extrareligious (outside of religion) "scientific" spirit/soul.

    Perhaps, in this conversation, sensuous does/can convey the distinction we mean.

    all together now in extraordinary ecstatic energetic inward journeys all

    artform
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    All I can say is this is a marvelous conversation, it touches on the very essence of our being. I never imagined such a discussion until I came across this forum. Thanks to all who have taken the time to contribute to it.
  • hello has all I return to the restaurant I read the last topic of the forum in a drinking glass of wine and listening to music I find you all is wonderful especially arforme which captures very well the emotions of the person to thank you again bravo forum has everybody on this forum magic fix here. :oops: :oops:
  • Love that observation Woodsman. I agree with Alv's point that it is a kind of alien experience, and as such you can only bring analogous situations to bear to attempt to give it meaning and perhaps (but usually never an appropriate action) a label (labelling always seems to reduce potentiality - though of course necessary to have language and a sense of meaning exchange, oh dear bit of catch 22 there!) - given what it is catalysing in individuals' sensoriums - it could easily be classed for me as a physical rather than metaphorical manifestation of the Philosopher's Stone :)

    It ain't sexual, but it seems to be capable of bringing the sun and the moon together within your mind / body / spirit - neuro-somatic-mysterium - triadic hermetic feedback - (choose your favourite cultural reality underpinning metaphor and insert) - I ramble :)

    For me use of Aneros questions our current consenual understanding of reality and sense of self and oh yes, is just awesomely pleasurable, but I wouldn't label it as sexual, that just limits its facilitation.
  • zanebluezaneblue
    Posts: 224
    Men! :lol:

    Women who have vaginal orgasms (as opposed to clitoral orgasms) have vaginal orgasms from intercourse, from penetration. These orgasms feel the same as Aneros orgasms. So basically the OP is saying a woman's orgasm from sex isn't sexual. :roll:
  • alvalv
    Posts: 179
    zaneblue said:

    Men! :lol:

    Women who have vaginal orgasms (as opposed to clitoral orgasms) have vaginal orgasms from intercourse, from penetration. These orgasms feel the same as Aneros orgasms. So basically the OP is saying a woman's orgasm from sex isn't sexual. :roll:



    In my 40 years of sexual activity most of my partners experienced full body MMO’s during lengthy love making sessions, but none as ecstatic and physical as the Aneros Super-O. (comparative observation) Now you tell me vaginal orgasm feels the same as Aneros orgasms, so the vaginal orgasm should be as ecstatic.

    From my experiences and Zane's statement I conclude there must be more for the ladies. Zane you just have given me my first inferiority complex :cry: :) .
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    This excellent discussion has motivated me to contribute a few thoughts I have been pondering over the last few months.

    First, I would like to respond to Zaneblue:
    I understand your reasoning, but respectfully disagree with the conclusion you draw. I don’t believe anyone here would argue that a woman’s orgasm from sex is not sexual. First of all, as men, we may be able to experience something similar to a woman’s orgasm, but lacking the actual organs, we are incapable of experiencing the exact same thing, just as a woman could not experience a true penile or prostate orgasm, even while feeling similar sensations. Moreover, the gender differences in brain organization and hormonal responses probably cause an even greater difference in what we “feel.” To claim that vaginal orgasms “feel the same” as Aneros orgasms is highly questionable. Those of us without vaginas can never know how a vaginal orgasm feels, just as people without prostates can never know how an Aneros orgasm feels. Of course there are similarities, but one need only spend time on this forum to see that the varieties of orgasmic sensation and perception are virtually endless.

    Regarding the sexuality of the aneros:
    It is the nature of humans to think of themselves as singular entities. But it is often useful to view ourselves, and all other biological entities, as an assembly of individual components, which work together to produce the end result. Of course our resulting humanity far exceeds the sum of our parts; typically we only think of the parts when something goes wrong with one of them, or when we are trying to change something, for example, rewire ourselves to respond to the aneros.

    It is known that evolving organisms must make do with whatever components and materials they possess, as opposed to creating new organs, appendages, hormones, etc. Evolution works not by creating, but by adapting. Thus a fish evolving toward becoming a land animal does not “create” feet, but instead adapts its fins which gradually become feet. Prolactin is a hormone that typifies the multiple uses to which nature puts something, rather than trying to create a new hormone. First, it helps us enjoy sexual gratification, then in males it is employed to induce the refractory period after sex, presumably to make us stop screwing and get back to work. Still later when the resulting newborn arrives, it is again put to work in the mother to promote lactogenesis, the production of milk. An on and on.
    The same materials are constantly being used for different functions.

    The point is that we modern humans are a collection of parts whose original functions were in many cases very different from the way we are using them now. When nature gave us hearing, it was probably to help protect us from predators, and then later to help us communicate. But our brains went on to develop the capacity to go into raptures upon hearing music, which, as far as I know, does not confer on us any survival advantages. When nature gave us sexual pleasure, it was solely to make sure we reproduced. In fact, the quicker the better, as one can often see by watching animals mate. There is no evolutionary advantage in pursuing orgasms for their own sake, but that’s what we have learned to do.

    Most of us, male and female, have grown up assuming that our sexual nature, with all its physical, mental, and hormonal components, is an integrated, indivisible system. We are now learning that this is not necessarily true, that we can separate and isolate these mechanisms, suppress some, and bend others toward outcomes that were not intended by nature, such as dry prostate orgasms.
    It is to be expected that the young plastic brain would wire its pleasure centers to the sexual organs as nature intended. Exactly the way it connects the ears, eyes, etc, to their proper neural circuits. But these connections are not cast in stone. It is now known that when a person loses a limb or eyesight, the part of the brain that formerly controlled that function will often be taken over in time by some other function.

    Something akin to this is probably happening when we rewire for the aneros (although we obviously are not losing the original function). Other studies reveal the extraordinary ability of the brain to act at times as a kind of switchboard, switching all its attention to one input and ignoring another (example: drivers on their cell phones). At least temporarily, the aneros user is probably disconnecting the link from the conventional input (the genitals) and enhancing the link from the prostate. At that point, one can argue that the sensation is no longer sexual.

    I am still an amateur at aneros rewiring, but my current perspective is this (it might change as I progress):
    When I am massaging my prostate with my aneros, my external genitalia quickly begin feeling like irrelevant appendages. They have no more connection to the pleasure I am feeling than does and ear or a foot. Touching them draws my attention away from the prostate and sets the process back. I have not yet even achieved an aneros prostate orgasm, but I can confidently say the prostate pleasure I’m feeling is unrelated to my external genitalia. Instead it flows down the legs and up into the abdomen, and I can almost feel the hormones doing their thing in my brain. The dry orgasms I had before I had ever heard of the aneros or rewiring were so profoundly different from sexual that there is no question in my mind that they should be in a different category.

    I agree with the view that these sensations can be both sexual and non-sexual, depending on at least two factors:
    how much involvement there is with the external sex organs and/or sex partners etc.; and
    how the brain interprets the stimulus.

    Our hearing is a good example. If we hear something crawling toward us in the dark, our brain reacts in a certain way, and a specific mix of hormones is released (fight or flight). When we hear a soul-wrenching piece of music, our brains react in a totally different way, and other hormones are triggered, with a vastly different result (pleasure and emotion). All the distinction and interpretation is taking place in our brains, not the organs receiving the signals.

    After Beethoven completely lost his physical hearing, he was still able to hear in his mind the music he was composing. This capacity is latent in all of us.
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    We are sexual creatures. Much of the way we act and react to things is sexual. When we interact with others and things it's because of our sex. We may not realize this is happening but it is. We're fueled by our sexual drive and sexual being.
    The aneros/MMO experience is something beyond what kind of "normal sexual" experience most men are "used" to. We want to believe and think it's something beyond sexual. Like it's something deeper than that. Which it is in a way because it's not the normal way we're used to experiencing a sexual experience... It's sensual, pleasurable and yes sexual.

    I agree with the view that these sensations can be both sexual and non-sexual, depending on at least two factors:
    how much involvement there is with the external sex organs and/or sex partners etc.; and
    how the brain interprets the stimulus.



    I really don't think our external genitalia is in control of what's sexual or not. When I have the most full body P-wave action going on my penis is normally limp... but this is still "sexual energy" that's flowing through my body creating this.
    For me the difference in what may seem like it's not a sexual experience is that to have my best sessions I have to go about it very differently than a normal sexual experience like not focusing on sexual fantasy and relaxing and focusing on my breathing and things like that. I can't go about it the same way I would as if I were jerking off just to feel good and ejaculate. When I'm having an aneros/aneroless session, thinking in terms of what used to be "normal" for this act doesn't prove to be successful. If I do, then normally I'll have a sexual switch happen where these sexual energies stop becoming full body and internal feeling and instead become more external concentrated in my dick and prostate area if I begin fantasizing or trying to force things to happen.

    I've had some of the most mind blowing sexual intercourse I've ever had while having MMO's. It's nothing like any "normal" sex I've ever had. The difference is I somehow was able to keep the sexual energy full body instead of having the sexual energy switch take place that moves and focuses it more in my penis. These full body MMO sexual intercourse experiences are far beyond anything I've ever experienced and were even a step up from my best aneros/aneroless sessions. Though I was having intercourse, my thought process was far from how I'd "normally" think during a "normal" sexual act. I was in a realm of absolute ecstasy. To get to this level during intercourse I've found things have to develop just right and I have to have my sexual energy flowing just right beforehand or the energy switch happens and it's nearly impossible to switch it back to full body MMO style.

    Once I actually had the worst thing ever happen to me during sex. Basically before we even began having sex I could feel that buzz going on that I was going to go into multiples right away. So instead of foreplay and stuff which can really kill the internal energy and switch it to more external, I just went right for it and instantly was ingulfed in MMO's upon insertion. I wasn't doing anything that I'd do during "normal" sex. Maybe a couple minutes into it I looked into my GF's eyes and just saw that she was absolutely disgusted with me. She was so pissed at me for being "greedy" and being too much into my own pleasure. This pretty much killed the moment and I stopped. I was pissed cause she knew just how difficult it is for me to get to that perfect level to be able to have MMO's during sex. It only happened on rare occasions since I really don't know how or when I'd be energetically able to do that. I thought she'd be happy that I was at that level of sexual pleasure since for her it was very easy to get to that level. Nevertheless because of that experience I was never able to MMO with her again because it put up a mental block to do so and the rest is history.
    The point of that rant is because even though I was having intercourse I was mentally in the realm that I'd be in during my best aneros/aneroless experiences. Does that make those experiences non-sexual because I experienced pleasure in a different way than I'd normally would with my mind not normally where it would be?

    Some will probably say yes it is sexual just because of the fact that I was engaging in sex with another person, but that's besides the point. Mentally I was in another realm that allowed me to get to that level... just like how I get to that level during an aneros/aneroless session. If instead of having sex with my GF and I decided to have an aneros/aneroless session instead when I felt that energy buzz going on, I still would had gone into MMO's but maybe not as intense. Either case it would still be sexual.

    Have you noticed that I keep using the word sexual through out this post? Because it's a sexual act/feeling even though yes it does feel like so much more because it's not the "normal" way we're used to experiencing our sexual energy flow. But it's still sexual energy. With out it we wouldn't be able to experience everything we post so passionately about here.

    Or maybe I'm just totally wrong on this. Very well could be. It happens :wink:
  • Woodsman said:

    There is no evolutionary advantage in pursuing orgasms for their own sake, but that’s what we have learned to do..



    Unless you have an evolutionary drive which is seeking a more exquisite interface between physical and mental realms perhaps - which kinda of feels what the recent discipline of biosemiotics may be trying to get to grips with - but I can't quite get my head around that yet.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Hey hapticbear! :D

    Thanks SO much for the connection to biosemiotics! :shock: 8)

    Here is free access to the articles in the April 2009 issue of the academic journal, Biosemiotics http://www.springerlink.com/content/l8l71g348560/

    Here is the link to the best, IMHO, article in this issue, The Poetics of Purpose, http://www.springerlink.com/content/l7120184724143u2/?p=f5d7a00bf10b4b92b5849cf6c18d5777&pi=6

    This goes to our question here! :lol: No, it REALLY does! :D

    Also bumped for consideration in the "Welcome to the Forum" potential added users guidance...

    all the best research and development all

    artform
  • artformartform
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    Great thread anytime! This time for the new synaesthetes!