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I hurt myself
  • yesterday.i have a session with aneros mgx..just more than 1 hour. I very tired, i want to finish off with hand mastubation. At the same time, i use my hand and slowly pressing-tapping the aneros against my prostrate. It very nice feeling, i ejaculated a lot of semen. When i remove the aneros, i notice some blood covered on it. It freaks me out. What have i done? Do i hurt my prostrate? Any side effect? Do i need to visit doctor? I think i need to keep off from the aneros for a while but how long?
  • The anus will bleed sometimes, as a result of hemarroids for me usually. I still haven't used an Aneros, but apparently it can be a sign of not enough lube or going too rough, It could also just be something that happens.

    Unless the bleeding is dark, which means it comes from earlier in the digestive tract, or it is very persistant, I really wouldn't worry overly. I can bleed even when I'm not playing with my prostate at all for months beforehand.
  • No. Aneros doesn't directly touch your prostate, but there is intestine in between.

    So the worst case is that you've frazzled the mucosa. Better to stop using it for some time.

    There is also high possibility that the blood is from your anus, as the previous reply said.
  • dpnathan said:

    At the same time, i use my hand and slowly pressing-tapping the aneros against my prostrate.



    This you should not do - I understood from another thread that applying force beyond what your rectal muscles can muster can easily lead to injury.
  • james513 said:

    No. Aneros doesn't directly touch your prostate, but there is intestine in between.

    So the worst case is that you've frazzled the mucosa. Better to stop using it for some time.

    There is also high possibility that the blood is from your anus, as the previous reply said.



    I don't think you got that first part right. Not according to the diagram which comes with the aneros and not according to the illustrations at wikipedia:


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    I don't see any intestine there. Although you don't have to trust the picures; you can digitally appreciate the prostate for yourself. Go ahead, check it out.


    On topic, though, yeah, I'd not worry too much. It probably came from not enough lube or hemorrhoids. But definitely, definitely do not move the aneros by hand! They didn't design it to operate like that, and yes you can harm your prostate by using the force of your own hand. It is a delicate organ and it doesn't take much to stimulate it.

  • I don't think you got that first part right. Not according to the diagram which comes with the aneros and not according to the illustrations at wikipedia:


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    I don't see any intestine there. Although you don't have to trust the picures; you can digitally appreciate the prostate for yourself. Go ahead, check it out.



    Hmm, I'm not sure he meant a part of the complete organ, but rather the lining of the rectum/colon that the Aneros has to apply pressure against to stimulate the prostate behind the tissue? Anyway, glad we can agree on the "excessive force" clause.
  • Thanks guys..i will rest 2 to 3 weeks before i start to use the aneros again. Hopefully no more blood..
  • Ok I checked it out, and I did goof. Apparently the rectum qualifies as intestine. I had assumed the intestine didn't include the rectum. A little peek at wikipedia (a taste of my own medicine if you will) showed me that I definitely have forgotten a lot of my anatomy.

    My apologies, james513.

    However, the narrow layer of rectum covering the prostate does not prevent it from injury at the hands of forceful stimulus. If you do feel it for yourself, you can easily tell the thinness of that wall, as the prostate stands out in rather prominent relief.

    So the warning still holds. Take care of yourself. That little organ holds the key to a world of pleasure; treat it with respect.

    Fly safe, dpnathan.

    -PQ
  • thecritta
    Posts: 154
    Yes i have a question how would one know if you had injured your prostate?

    Would there be blood anywhere like in your semen?

    Would it be very painful or midly painful?

    Would the damage to prostate completely heal or would it leave permanent scarring?

    I only ask these questions because it is the on the relevant topic and i have a similar problem to
    do with injuring oneself, i will be visiting the urologist in two weeks for an examination to asses what damage i may have caused to myself and whatever it is i hope it doesnt spell a big freakin GAME OVER for my aneros journey because i am too hooked on using them, and it will just be too hard and painful to accept reality and just quit trying.

    And Nathan i hope you get well soon mate and dont us it until you are absolutely sure it is healed and all well again
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Let me ask these questions. (I'm an actual doc in real life--my practice includes among other things doing rectal and prostate exams for guys and doing colonoscopies to evaluate the rectum and colon). You can PM me with any specifics you don't want to share here. How old are you? Someone in older age ranges should have any bleeding from the rectum, even if thought to be from something as insignificant as hemorrhoids, checked out. There's no real cut-off age wise; it's just that someone in their 20's or so would be very unlikely to have cancer there but someone getting over 40 or 50 would take it more seriously. Have you ever seen any blood on your bowel movement? Dark blood mixed in with the bowel movement often will come from diverticula (happens in older age) higher up in the colon and more red-ish blood on the surface of your stool will come from hemorrhoids or (though statistically less frequently, but more seriously) from a cancer growing on the wall of the lower colon or rectum.

    Have you ever done a really good "finger" exam up inside yourself? Anyone can do this--especially guys open to using the Aneros. Get a glove (if that helps make it less unpleasant) and right after a good "clean"' dump or after your little flush enema (if you do that to prepare for sessions) lube well and squat down and relax your anus and slide your finger in gently. Feel of your anus carefully. If you feel a little pea-sized painful hard thing on the side of the anus itself, you likely have an internal hemorrhoid and sometimes these will bleed this way. Once you go past your sphincters and enter the more open part of your rectum, it should be empty. You can feel your prostate through the front rectal wall sitting there about the shape/size of a walnut just above the internal sphincter of your anus. If you're not sure, rubbing over that area will give you that little feel-good tingle all us guys into prostate massage like. Then push down like you're trying to make your bowels empty and slide your finger gently as far as you can upward. You should be able to go the full length of your finger comfortably. If your rectum is clear of bowel movement everything at this point should just feel soft and warm inside. Anything hard or bumpy is serious. Don't mistake a little stray piece of bowel movement for something serious though. A little lump of BM should move if you push it with your finger and you can try another exam later when you're sure things are all clean. As funny as it sounds, if you have a good fart come down while you're feeling the walls of your rectum (just don't poot it out) it will inflate your rectum like we do with the insufflated air during a colonoscopy and you can feel the walls of your rectum much more precisely.

    When you withdraw your finger look for any blood on the glove. Additionally, a real good look at the anus itself with a mirror will help. On another occasion that you're clean but un-lubricated, squat over a mirror and gently pull apart the edges of your anus with your fingers and look to see if you see a fissure, that is a little split (these are pretty painful and you'll basically know it if you have one) on the side of the anus. These will bleed in a manner similar to what you described also.

    Hope this helps. Will be glad to answer any other questions.
  • GeogioGeogio
    Posts: 107
    thecritta said:

    Yes i have a question how would one know if you had injured your prostate?

    Would there be blood anywhere like in your semen?

    Would it be very painful or midly painful?

    Would the damage to prostate completely heal or would it leave permanent scarring?

    I only ask these questions because it is the on the relevant topic and i have a similar problem to.



    Good question. I have experience blood in the pre-ejaculate. After the Aneros is removed, I usually sit on the toilet and squeeze out residual KY, every now and then I notice a drop of blood at the head of my penis. This occurs immediately after usage, and only if it was an extended session.

    What do I do? After the first time I did the initial freak out, but I've had idosyncratic blood in my urine before, and that was a large amount at a urinal in a hardware store... whew, went to the doctor's and after EVERY test known to mankind, it was undetermined. Probably a bit of crystalized (sharp edged) calcified junk passing down the urethra and it nicked up the walls of the tract which produced the blood.

    After Aneros sessions, I do sometimes follow it up with a drop of blood or bloody pre-semenal, but that's all, just a drop. Since I can urinate immediately after a session, I drink a hot tea, urinate, clean out the tract and it has yet to be chronic. I attribute this to over extension of the session and possibly just pressed tissue oozing a bit. Much like a bruise. So, I try to be careful. I have talked to a specialist about this and she said to monitor and don't overdo it. Everything in moderation, always.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    As a followup, I had a tiny speck of blood one time in my ejaculate with traditional sex (in one day had sex a couple times with my wife, then a couple more orgasms with masturbation and on the last one saw it on the tissue paper). Urologist gave me a routine check up, shrugged his shoulders and told me hematospermia didn't mean anything bad. Haven't ever seen it since. Never really heard of blood in precum. It's generally said on this forum that precum comes from the Cowper's glands, and it's hard to conceive (from the anatomical pictures) that Aneros usage would cause trauma to those glands. I guess it's conceivable that aggressive Aneros usage (different than advised by the manufacturer and the Wiki, etc.) could cause injury to the prostate, but prostate bleeding otherwise is not a typical presenting medical finding. I've always questioned (with blood in precum being referenced), since the Aneros stimulates the prostate, whether (at least) some of that clear fluid we make during sessions and that we all call 'precum' comes from the prostate too. Anyone got any medical insight as to whether what we call 'precum' from Aneros sessions (where the prostate is massaged) is identical/different in quantity or composition to the precum we all know normally and physiologically drips out our penises just with traditional sexual excitement?
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    What we refer to as "precum" is a product of Cowper's and to a lesser extent Littre's glands. As you know, the consistency of this substance is clear and somewhat viscous and is considered by many to be homologous to female lubrication. Prostatic fluid on the other hand, is what gives semen it's milky appearance. Can the Aneros express precum and stimulate greater precum production? Certainly. It is also possible that a small amount of prostatic fluid makes it way into the urethra as result of Aneros use. (Urologists will sometimes attempt to obtain a sample of the fluid in the course of a DRE by massaging the prostate when prostatitis is suspected.) If it is in significant amounts however, it would likely change the appearance and consistency of this pre-ejaculate.

    With respect to the observance of blood on the Aneros upon removal, this topic comes up from time to time. When it does, with few exceptions it relates to an individual attempting to drive the Aneros by hand. As other users have already stated, the product was NOT intended to be used in this manner. It's important to remember that it is not straight like a dil or a vibrator which generally contact the prostate tangentially. The Aneros is anatomically configured, so the tip is canted forward. What this means is that a fair amount of leverage can be brought to bear by the use of a small amount of force. This is what makes the device so effective with ones own anal contractions. Using ones hand provides far more force than is necessary and can cause rectal irritation.

    On the presence of blood in the semen, I find it doubtful that any of this would be attributable to Aneros use. There is simply not enough pressure being exerted on the prostate to cause damage sufficient to produce bleeding of this type. It's likely that there are underlying causes for this (idiosyncratic or otherwise) that would be involved.

    BF Mayfield

    P.S. I am not a doctor. If anyone is experiencing blood in their semen or urine it is something that warrants some investigation. It's not necessarily a cause for concern. But only your treating physician can tell you that for certain. So have it checked out.