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Relaxation during sex
  • I want a woman who initiates sex at least half of the time.
    I want a woman who gives me an equal amount of foreplay.
    I want a woman who doesn't mind me getting foreplay first sometimes.
    I want a woman who gives me an equal amount of oral sex.
    I want a woman who gives as much if not more than she takes.

    Here is the main thing. I want to have multiple, full bodied orgasms that are as intense as as any female orgasm and I want to be ridden to them. I want to be completely relaxed. I do not want to worry at all about my sexual performance at all. I want to be able to think about other women and not have to think about baseball during sex. I want that sexual experience which women take for granted. I want no stress, no worries about performance. How can I get this?

    Someone mentioned women having an extra sex organ the clit. Is this true? Don't men have testicles, the million dollar spot and the foreskin?

    Do women also have more nerves as someone said? How can this be if the foreskin has twice as many nerves than the penis and clit combined?

    I was inspired to make this thread based off this post.

    OH MY GOSH.

    I never thought I would find someone that felt how I did.

    I feel overwhelmed by your post as it is what I have felt for so long. It has TOTALLY depressed me and distorted my view of sex.

    Women = lie down and have the man kill himself to give her orgasms and feel GOOD that he can, or feel bad that he can't. The woman's idea of sex is to "let go". They moan more than men, so I can only assume they are having orgasmic sensations throughout sex. They have no pressure to perform. They can close their eyes and relax, limpen their hands, they have the psychological sensuality of opening their legs and letting the pleasure come to them, they can be surprised by the thrusting as they don't know what the man will do next, making it an exciting rollercoaster. They can go in different positions. They can be submissive or "on top"/dominant. Women's role seems to be to ACCEPT PLEASURE.

    Imagine being chatted up/approached by a stranger who's aim is to have you lying down while they give you orgasms?

    Man = Do the thrusting work, have less pleasure and sensitive sexual organs, less of a spiritual journey with it all. The man has the downside of being judged according to his penis size, shape, sex style, sex performance, sex length. He can't go in different positions. The man's sex is to "contain himself until the woman is satisfied", then he gets a weak (in comparison) organ (penis) orgasm to END the sex. No man moans as much as a woman during sex, which suggests that the man's aim is a fairly "pleasurable orgasm" at the end, compared to waves of orgasms without moving a muscle. Missionary position has to be the most mindboggling position for me. I'm balancing on my knees and foreams or hands, concentrating on how Im performing, analysing and comparing pleasure, readjusting my positioning, and not making a sound.

    A man's role seems to be to PROVIDE pleasure.

    This has depressed me TOTALLY to the point where I wish I could experience sex as a woman. Even with the woman on top, the man has to keep his erection, maybe hold the girl's hips. He can't let go and empty his mind. He can't be distant and reflect on what he saw on TV while pleasure comes to him.

    The woman is encouraged to pleasure her clit during sex. If the man has an Aneros inserted, that would cut down his chances of having a gf. And is the prostate really a comparison? Is sex good with the Aneros? Again, the man is still the performer.

    Clit, G spot, Vagina, Nipples, emotions/brain. "Can you please your woman?", "Grow your dick and please her", "Size matters?". And they say the penis head is basically a clitoris knock-off but less sensitive. What a rip off. How can God be male?

    And to make matters worse, I have a unsensitive penis. I discovered this as I masturbated, but hoped it would cure when I finally went on to have sex. I dont get pleasure from masturbation until Im near ejac-orgasm. I watch porn but sometimes I feel like: this is nothing compared to her pleasure. Girls don't even need to orgasm before they moan. As soon as the penis makes contact, they moan. My unsensivite penis has me quite suicidal and very depressed. Oh, I have a girlfriend. I wish I could feel what she feels. I love her but when we're done and she says: "I had two orgasms", rather than crumpling a cola can into my forehead and saying "hell yea, Im the man", I get filled with a panic-attack sharp chest pain and depression. I barely can feel my penis. I seriously feel suicidal about this a lot of the time.

    When women say stuff like: "men!", or "men are useless", I think: "Excuse me?!". Without men, women wouldn't know the heights of pleasure they do. They say women know how to please women, but compare lesbian porn moaning to man-woman porn moaning. I think it's an audacity. Men are to be pitied if anything. If it weren't for this prostate gland (whose pleasure I have yet to experience), men's sexuality would really be a devastating shame.

    Even down to MUSIC and MEDIA. Male singers sing about:
    - how they can/want to please a girl.
    - how they can please a girl better than her current man.
    - how they can be what she wants.

    Female singers sing about:
    - They are independent and don't need a man/their current man; they can do better.
    - How any potential lover (man) must meet their requirements and please them.

    This has made me question Higher Design/God/Creation/Evolution. How did men get lumped with the "load"? Even with the Aneros and an accepting gf/wife, it's still not "inbuilt" pleasure capacity. It's toy-assisted. I don't get how men are so sex hungry, and women pretend to/make men beg when it is the woman who benefits most.

    Lately, when I look at women, I'm awash with jealousy. They look great, they have perfect bodies, are sensual, mysterious, emotional, intriguing, have unprecented sexual pleasure capacity. How can they be considered the weaker sex or backbone to men, etc? If anything, men are CRAP. Made inferior. Born with this desire to PROVIDE PLEASURE. Women are born with this EXPECTATION of ACCEPTING PLEASURE. Unfair to me.

    I have ranted on too long. I had no idea anyone felt like me.

    http://www.aneros.com/forum/post25804.html#25804
  • And what about out of control orgasms?

    Like the way this guy describes.

    I know what I've read, I know what I've been told, and I know what I've experienced; and I don't know how they can even be compared.

    Read:
    Master's and Johnson did a study and found that with masturbation men and women both experienced orgasm at about the 4 minute mark; and they both lasted about the same length of time (I forget how many seconds); and subjectively, they both described them using the same adjectives. I.E. their reasearch showed that, with masturbation, the orgasms were equivalent.

    Experienced:
    I've never orgasmed more than 4-5 times in a night; and that was many years ago, LOL. Now I'm usually good for one, occassionally two. I've had orgasms last possibly 30 seconds; but never anything approaching a minute. I've learned to have full body orgasms; but never "out of control" orgasms.

    I've seen women have well over 40 orgasms in a night. I haven't seen data supporting the 13% figure regarding how many women have multiples; but my experience says this is bull$hit. I have NEVER been with a woman more than a couple of times who could not have at least two or three; and the vast majority can have a minimum of 5-8 with 10-12 not being uncommon; and a rare few 25 to as many as 50. I've also seen women orgasm for several minutes at a time. (Although, there is a phenomenon called an "orgasm cloud" where a womans orgasms come so close together that it feels like she is having one very long orgasm; so I'm not sure if these women were coming once for several minutes; or having many indistinguishable orgasms. Although, I am sure it REALLY doesn't matter as far as they are concerned, LOL. Women can also have multiple types of orgsms that vary in intensity, and tend to be full body. I've also seen women orgasm to the point they did lose complete contol; and were completely unable to move for an extended period afterwards.

    While I have read, and been told, that men can learn to have longer, more intense orgasms; and multiple orgasms that don't involve ejaculation; I haven't personally experienced, or talked to anyone who has experienced anything that even remotely approximates the 0rgasms I know first hand (no pun intended) women are capable of. There's a book, for women, called "The 30 minute orgasm"; and I've got a buddy who has assured me it's accurate; and I believe him. If a man had 50 orgasms in a night, or one orgasm that lasted 30 minutes, he would either die. or be afraid he wouldn't die. One time, I almost had two orgasms back to back; and it literally felt so good it scared me; and I stopped before I had the second one. I haven't been able to repeat the experience.

    From my personal experience, comparing a woman's orgasm, or orgasmic potential, to a man's would be like comparing a brand new Mercedes 500 SEL to a 1974 Pinto.

    http://forums.plentyoffish.com/9856056datingPostpage3.aspx
  • DeepDeep
    Posts: 78
    Oh you found MyTurn, you two will be great together.
  • It is just not right. As that guy said men have nothing comparable to women. And we do NOT get to relax and let go. I am so depressed right now. I was actually crying earlier.

    Why can't men have an equal sexual deal?
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    Well, I supppose much of what you say is true, although I'm sure not for all. Not much we can do about the hand we have been dealt except to play it the best way possible.
    Don't you think there are any upsides to being a man. For one thing.... I take pleasure in whipping it out and taking a whizz wheather I am on the golf course, in the woods, or just out back in the yard.
    I recently experienced a full body orgasm while having sex with my wife and it was while I was on my back, as relaxed as possible. I do think you are on to something there. I wish I could do that every time.
    If you just want to rant about it... hey, have at it. I agree with much of what you say. I do think you need to consider all the advantages of being a man. One could write the same sort of rant from a woman point of view.
  • thhn said:

    Well, I supppose much of what you say is true, although I'm sure not for all. Not much we can do about the hand we have been dealt except to play it the best way possible.
    Don't you think there are any upsides to being a man. For one thing.... I take pleasure in whipping it out and taking a whizz wheather I am on the golf course, in the woods, or just out back in the yard.
    I recently experienced a full body orgasm while having sex with my wife and it was while I was on my back, as relaxed as possible. I do think you are on to something there. I wish I could do that every time.
    If you just want to rant about it... hey, have at it. I agree with much of what you say. I do think you need to consider all the advantages of being a man. One could write the same sort of rant from a woman point of view.



    But why can't we just have those full body orgasms over and over with the woman on top. That's what I want. I don't think you can rant from a female pov. Most women are too happy with their pleasure.
  • thhn said:

    Well, I supppose much of what you say is true, although I'm sure not for all. Not much we can do about the hand we have been dealt except to play it the best way possible.
    Don't you think there are any upsides to being a man. For one thing.... I take pleasure in whipping it out and taking a whizz wheather I am on the golf course, in the woods, or just out back in the yard.
    I recently experienced a full body orgasm while having sex with my wife and it was while I was on my back, as relaxed as possible. I do think you are on to something there. I wish I could do that every time.
    If you just want to rant about it... hey, have at it. I agree with much of what you say. I do think you need to consider all the advantages of being a man. One could write the same sort of rant from a woman point of view.



    But why can't we just have those full body orgasms over and over with the woman on top. That's what I want. I don't think you can rant from a female pov. Most women are too happy with their pleasure.


    Sorry, but I read this thread and the ones you're referring to and you sound like a 5-year old crying to have a ball that a girl has despite the fact you have one yourself.

    If you'd take the time to read some of the testimonials and blogs guys have been able to achieve "full body orgasms over and over" with the aneros, and with enough training even without it.

    So I think your options are:
    a) Find a woman who will meet the needs you desire (very possible)
    b) Use the aneros and train yourself to have FBO on your own (possible)
    c) Whine and complain about women having a shinier and bouncier ball than you (achieved)

    Now go forth and do something constructive with your desires.
  • thhn said:

    Well, I supppose much of what you say is true, although I'm sure not for all. Not much we can do about the hand we have been dealt except to play it the best way possible.
    Don't you think there are any upsides to being a man. For one thing.... I take pleasure in whipping it out and taking a whizz wheather I am on the golf course, in the woods, or just out back in the yard.
    I recently experienced a full body orgasm while having sex with my wife and it was while I was on my back, as relaxed as possible. I do think you are on to something there. I wish I could do that every time.
    If you just want to rant about it... hey, have at it. I agree with much of what you say. I do think you need to consider all the advantages of being a man. One could write the same sort of rant from a woman point of view.



    But why can't we just have those full body orgasms over and over with the woman on top. That's what I want. I don't think you can rant from a female pov. Most women are too happy with their pleasure.


    Sorry, but I read this thread and the ones you're referring to and you sound like a 5-year old crying to have a ball that a girl has despite the fact you have one yourself.

    If you'd take the time to read some of the testimonials and blogs guys have been able to achieve "full body orgasms over and over" with the aneros, and with enough training even without it.

    So I think your options are:
    a) Find a woman who will meet the needs you desire (very possible)
    b) Use the aneros and train yourself to have FBO on your own (possible)
    c) Whine and complain about women having a shinier and bouncier ball than you (achieved)

    Now go forth and do something constructive with your desires.


    How many women do you know like that? Plus as myturn said women can relax and have no pressure. Men can't do this. at the very least performancer pressure is more male unless the woman likes to go on top but even then the man has to do something.


    women get to lie back and do NOTHING. Why can't men? if a woman is on top why does a man have to stimulate her? why can't he do nothing but enjoy the ride the same way she does when he is on top?
  • This is what I mean.




    A man's role seems to be to PROVIDE pleasure.

    This has depressed me TOTALLY to the point where I wish I could experience sex as a woman. Even with the woman on top, the man has to keep his erection, maybe hold the girl's hips. He can't let go and empty his mind. He can't be distant and reflect on what he saw on TV while pleasure comes to him.

    The woman is encouraged to pleasure her clit during sex. If the man has an Aneros inserted, that would cut down his chances of having a gf. And is the prostate really a comparison? Is sex good with the Aneros? Again, the man is still the performer.



    http://www.aneros.com/forum/some-serious-questions-t2031-30.html
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    again, I agree with the point you are making but there isn't anything you can change. We've got the dick-they've got the pussy. can't change that
    a sexually agressive woman may be hard to find but I would believe there are some out there. - start looking!
  • thhn said:

    Well, I supppose much of what you say is true, although I'm sure not for all. Not much we can do about the hand we have been dealt except to play it the best way possible.
    Don't you think there are any upsides to being a man. For one thing.... I take pleasure in whipping it out and taking a whizz wheather I am on the golf course, in the woods, or just out back in the yard.
    I recently experienced a full body orgasm while having sex with my wife and it was while I was on my back, as relaxed as possible. I do think you are on to something there. I wish I could do that every time.
    If you just want to rant about it... hey, have at it. I agree with much of what you say. I do think you need to consider all the advantages of being a man. One could write the same sort of rant from a woman point of view.



    But why can't we just have those full body orgasms over and over with the woman on top. That's what I want. I don't think you can rant from a female pov. Most women are too happy with their pleasure.


    Sorry, but I read this thread and the ones you're referring to and you sound like a 5-year old crying to have a ball that a girl has despite the fact you have one yourself.

    If you'd take the time to read some of the testimonials and blogs guys have been able to achieve "full body orgasms over and over" with the aneros, and with enough training even without it.

    So I think your options are:
    a) Find a woman who will meet the needs you desire (very possible)
    b) Use the aneros and train yourself to have FBO on your own (possible)
    c) Whine and complain about women having a shinier and bouncier ball than you (achieved)

    Now go forth and do something constructive with your desires.


    How many women do you know like that? Plus as myturn said women can relax and have no pressure. Men can't do this. at the very least performancer pressure is more male unless the woman likes to go on top but even then the man has to do something.


    women get to lie back and do NOTHING. Why can't men? if a woman is on top why does a man have to stimulate her? why can't he do nothing but enjoy the ride the same way she does when he is on top?


    I don't know, most women don't tell you their sexual preferences unless you're dating them.

    The man doesn't HAVE to do anything, there are no rules in lovemaking, only the ones the players in the game make.

    Sexual compatibility is one of the things to look for when dating women. If this is important, than find a women who can fulfill these desires, they are out there, not as easy to find mind you.

    Performance anxiety exists only if there is an expectation of performance, if the goal is to make you have a FBO without doing anything then ask your gf to try doing this for you. If she won't then you can either live with it or search for another gf who will.
  • thhn said:

    again, I agree with the point you are making but there isn't anything you can change. We've got the dick-they've got the pussy. can't change that
    a sexually agressive woman may be hard to find but I would believe there are some out there. - start looking!



    WHY NOT? What prevents women from giving us this type of pleasure? WHAT?

    thhn said:

    Well, I supppose much of what you say is true, although I'm sure not for all. Not much we can do about the hand we have been dealt except to play it the best way possible.
    Don't you think there are any upsides to being a man. For one thing.... I take pleasure in whipping it out and taking a whizz wheather I am on the golf course, in the woods, or just out back in the yard.
    I recently experienced a full body orgasm while having sex with my wife and it was while I was on my back, as relaxed as possible. I do think you are on to something there. I wish I could do that every time.
    If you just want to rant about it... hey, have at it. I agree with much of what you say. I do think you need to consider all the advantages of being a man. One could write the same sort of rant from a woman point of view.



    But why can't we just have those full body orgasms over and over with the woman on top. That's what I want. I don't think you can rant from a female pov. Most women are too happy with their pleasure.


    Sorry, but I read this thread and the ones you're referring to and you sound like a 5-year old crying to have a ball that a girl has despite the fact you have one yourself.

    If you'd take the time to read some of the testimonials and blogs guys have been able to achieve "full body orgasms over and over" with the aneros, and with enough training even without it.

    So I think your options are:
    a) Find a woman who will meet the needs you desire (very possible)
    b) Use the aneros and train yourself to have FBO on your own (possible)
    c) Whine and complain about women having a shinier and bouncier ball than you (achieved)

    Now go forth and do something constructive with your desires.


    How many women do you know like that? Plus as myturn said women can relax and have no pressure. Men can't do this. at the very least performancer pressure is more male unless the woman likes to go on top but even then the man has to do something.


    women get to lie back and do NOTHING. Why can't men? if a woman is on top why does a man have to stimulate her? why can't he do nothing but enjoy the ride the same way she does when he is on top?


    I don't know, most women don't tell you their sexual preferences unless you're dating them.

    The man doesn't HAVE to do anything, there are no rules in lovemaking, only the ones the players in the game make.

    Sexual compatibility is one of the things to look for when dating women. If this is important, than find a women who can fulfill these desires, they are out there, not as easy to find mind you.

    Performance anxiety exists only if there is an expectation of performance, if the goal is to make you have a FBO without doing anything then ask your gf to try doing this for you. If she won't then you can either live with it or search for another gf who will.


    As the guy said how many women would do this?

    IT IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL. Men should be able to lie back, relax and enjoy orgasms.

    If a woman is on top 60% of the time that pretty much means she doesn't get to relax that much. I guess equality comes by decreasing women's relaxation and not increasing men's.

    WHY CAN'T WOMEN GIVE AS MUCH AS THEY TAKE AND WHY CAN'T MEN ACHIEVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF RELAXATION AND PLEASURE?
  • This is what I mean.




    A man's role seems to be to PROVIDE pleasure.

    This has depressed me TOTALLY to the point where I wish I could experience sex as a woman. Even with the woman on top, the man has to keep his erection, maybe hold the girl's hips. He can't let go and empty his mind. He can't be distant and reflect on what he saw on TV while pleasure comes to him.

    The woman is encouraged to pleasure her clit during sex. If the man has an Aneros inserted, that would cut down his chances of having a gf. And is the prostate really a comparison? Is sex good with the Aneros? Again, the man is still the performer.



    http://www.aneros.com/forum/some-serious-questions-t2031-30.html



    Yes, the traditional roles in a heterosexual sex is for the man to provide pleasure. So buck the traditional roles!

    Make it so that your gf mission is to keep you hard and bring you to a FBO without doing anything, so you can "empty your mind", and "be distant and reflect on what you saw on TV" and allow pleasure "to come to you". Mind you that doesn't sound very enticing to me, but to each his own.

    "If the man has an Aneros inserted, that would cut down his chances of having a gf."

    Sorry but this sentence doesn't make sense. If you're trying to say that having an aneros decreases your chances of having a gf then I can't dignify such a silly assertion with a response.

    I don't know if the prostate is "really a comparison" I don't think anyone can't definitively say that as no one has had both and can make the comparison. So I say work with what you got.

    Sex is good with the aneros and believe it or not you don't HAVE to be the performer. You have the ability to make your sexual experiences the way you want, I can't stress that enough.

    Methinks you're a troll. So I've said my bit, farewell.
  • ^^^a good amount of hope.

    so can the woman really become the one who performs equally then? that sounds awesome.
  • i also hear many women demand to go first during foreplay. is it ever vice versa 50% of the time?
  • Badger
    Posts: 652
    Women demand to go first because we men fall asleep as soon as we're finished having ours.
  • wannaknowaboutit

    said:

    Sorry, but I read this thread and the ones you're referring to and you sound like a 5-year old crying to have a ball that a girl has despite the fact you have one yourself.

    I could not have said it better myself....

    Don't you think your really over analizing this whole thing....


    focus on the things that turn you on about sex....not just wat the woman is feeling.....
    i understand wat you mean about women getting the better end of it it does seem like at times they just get to lay there and enjoy.....but i guess that also depends on the woman....i know my girl takes great pleasure in fucking my brains out......and there are days when i fuck her brains out....

    consider wat a girl has to put up with on the flip side of this

    CHILD BIRTH
    PERIODS
    BEING LOOKED DOWN ON AS WEAK
    EMOTIONAL
    ETC...

    I could go on......and who the hell wants to put up wit that shit???? I think we got lucky....

    Were as we get to blow our loads and leave....LOL

    think of how good we got it...i know i luv women.... i luv the way they feel ....i luv the way they look....i luv the way they smell....they drive me nuts...how much better does it get when you have a Hot woman bent over with a foot of dick inside her while she is screaming her head off ....and i'm just looking at her thinking "YOU FUCKING WHORE" But in a good way....LOL...
    or pulling out at the last min and shooting it right in her face.....i know that turns me on like you would not belive....thats pleasure and satisfaction to me...

    I guess wat i'm trying to tell you is focus on your own pleasure and wat turns you on and stop wanting wat you will never have....you are not a woman and never will be....

    this of course is just my humble opinion....


    South-
  • Badger said:

    Women demand to go first because we men fall asleep as soon as we're finished having ours.



    I think it is most likely vice versa.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    newtofurms!

    Hi.

    For the record, can I just say that this isn't ME under a new nickname/account.

    OK. I totally understand how you feel. I thought I was alone in the WORLD. I wrote the stuff I did about 4 months ago, and looking back on it, OK, it DOES seem whiney and babyish, but there is a real valid point behind it, and when anxiety, frustration, jealousy, depression, and low feelings take over you completely, this is how you express yourself, this is how you feel.

    I am seeing a psyhchiatrist for how I am feeling. I haven't had many Aneros sessions lately due to work, being busy, tired, other commitments, etc. I have some kind of OCD, so when something passes through my mind and bothers me, it STAYS THERE, and dictates my life, so I ended up buying 4 Aneroses, desperately trying to get each to work. I even got the Progasm to "brute-force" some prostate pleasure, but alas, Nope!

    Lately, I think my prostate is LOWER than I thought, not higher. When I wipe after a bowel movement, wiping UPWARD from the perineum before I reach my anus, I feel a roundish bulge. I will go back to my original mgx, but I am now wondering if even an SGX would be more me, even though I am 6 foot 4. The peridise and Progasms were the worst. Not that the Helix and MGX have given any good result yet.

    Back to the topic:

    Some guy in this post loved pleasuring his girl with "a foot of dick in her". TOTALLY the opposite to what I want. I want to open my eyes to see someone pleasuring ME.

    Even with having my girl on top, it's not what SHE experiences when I am on top. And she goes on top like 20% of the time. Her bad hip due to a pregnancy low down in her uterus is the excuse that often comes up.

    I said to my psychiatrist that I would not feel "good" unless I feel 100% sure that I am experiencing the same amount of pleasure as a woman. Anything else is resignation, giving up, trying to block it out.

    I hope I get prostate pleasure soon. I am going through rocky times with my girlfriend because of her son (I broke up with her but got back with her). If I do end it once and for all, I will NOT DATE or "SEX" another girl AGAIN - UNTIL I can have Super Os/Ts, etc.

    Unfortunately, porn doesn't turn me on since going out with my girlfriend. I just get caught up with:
    - the fact that its 2 people on screen, not me and my gf, having sex
    - the girl is moaning loud, which could be exaggeration, but she would be moaning anyway, because girls do. Not like in porn, but similiar.
    - the stimulation/eroticness is different. My hand isn't like holding my girl and looking at her body, etc.

    That stuff about "on the plus side for guys, we can pee in the woods" etc. Big deal. I'd rather have mind-bending pleasure and walk to a toilet, or crouch, than have a penis that gives pleasure that it won't ever receive.

    It basically takes 30 mins to post a detailed message on this forum, so I will stop there.
  • I get what your saying myturn.

    But why can't you have her please you sometimes and sometimes you do all the work? There should be a fair balance. Anyways I did realize some things over the past few days I didn't think of before.


    Only 13% of women have multiple orgasms.
    Some don't even have g spots. At least all men have them.
    And the female orgasm is exaggerated.

    If men can have similar orgasms (they way aneros and ksmo forum users say) with the additional advantages of being men (standing up when peeing ) we should be happy.

    Equal pleasure but additional benefits for men.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    I dunno:? ...standing up while peeing seems to be pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things (happiness, health, etc). Pleasure, to me, IS part of happiness and health, especially mentally and spiritually.

    EDIT:

    Also, you seem to be coming at it from the "at least men...", "and in fact this % of women can't...", reassuring yourself that men have some "luck" by minimizing what women have. I would rather BOOST what men have (especially what I have personally), by getting to the Super T/O, waves, pleasure, multiples, etc. I am not trying to kid myself that "women don't have it so great after all", coz to me, they do. I would rather IMPROVE what men have (or I have) to reach UP to the female level, not bring them down to our level in my own mind.

    It is a more positive, proactive attitude, I feel.

    Am I making sense to anybody??? :?
  • MyTurn said:

    I dunno:? ...standing up while peeing seems to be pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things (happiness, health, etc). Pleasure, to me, IS part of happiness and health, especially mentally and spiritually.

    EDIT:

    Also, you seem to be coming at it from the "at least men...", "and in fact this % of women can't...", reassuring yourself that men have some "luck" by minimizing what women have. I would rather BOOST what men have (especially what I have personally), by getting to the Super T/O, waves, pleasure, multiples, etc. I am not trying to kid myself that "women don't have it so great after all", coz to me, they do. I would rather IMPROVE what men have (or I have) to reach UP to the female level, not bring them down to our level in my own mind.

    It is a more positive, proactive attitude, I feel.

    Am I making sense to anybody??? :?



    I agree with you. I was basically saying that the male g spot=female g spot but that someone women don't even have a g spot.

    The peeing thing is a bonus and believe me its a big advantage. Public bathrooms are dirty. WOuld you want to sit on one or wait in big lines?

    I was saying men can have all the pleasure women have with a few additional benefits.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    Women crouch these days, not sit on the toilet. And women's toilets tend to be cleaner. They don't miss and piss over the floor, etc.

    But stay in touch with me, newtoforums, if you want, because we have a few things in common. I wonder how these things will impact on/help/harden/make sweeter in the end our journey, and encourage others, etc.
  • MyTurn said:

    Women crouch these days, not sit on the toilet. And women's toilets tend to be cleaner. They don't miss and piss over the floor, etc.

    But stay in touch with me, newtoforums, if you want, because we have a few things in common. I wonder how these things will impact on/help/harden/make sweeter in the end our journey, and encourage others, etc.



    Every janitor in the world would like to disagree with you. I have heard them talk. Women's bathrooms are always dirtier. And no men do not piss on the floor. We are not stupid. Don't put out this stereotype of men.
  • Here is an example of women expecting to be selfish in bed.

    Ladies first
    When it comes to satisfying a woman, a little old-fashioned chivalry goes a long way. Lest you think the importance of such courtesy is over-exaggerated, direct your attention to Lorena Bobbitt who, when questioned by police as to why she cut off her husband’s penis, responded, “He always has an orgasm and doesn’t wait for me. It’s unfair.” Need one say more?

    The simple fact is that the male orgasm typically comes easy. Masters and Johnson dubbed it “ejaculatory inevitability” and the late Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey declared that 75% of men ejaculate within two minutes.

    Is it any surprise, then, that researchers from the University of Chicago declared in the 1994 Sex in America Survey that men reach orgasm during intercourse far more consistently than women do, and that three-quarters of men, but less than a third of women, always have orgasms? This means that more than two out of three women on average are consistently denied their climax -- good reason to start hiding the cutlery.

    Studies such as those by Kinsey and Masters & Johnson have concluded that, among women whose partners spent 21 minutes or longer on foreplay, only 7.7% failed to reach orgasm consistently. That’s a shift of tectonic proportions, from two out of three women not being able to reach climax to 9 out of 10 achieving satisfaction, all due to a matter of minutes.

    So take the path of the true gentleman: Postpone your pleasure. As Sir Thomas Wyatt wrote, “Patience shall be my song.”

    http://www.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_300/384_love_tip.html
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    Although I think you are carrying this point a bit too far, it got me thinking about it and the more I think about it, the more I would agree with you. As a man, we can't totally relax like a woman can.
    While having sex with my wife last night, I had her get on top and I laid back and tried to relax just as much as I could. I didn't involve my hands, or push back or make any effort whatsoever. I let her control the pace and position.
    When I came, it was a tremendous full body orgasm the likes of which I haven't felt before.
    We can't change anatomy but I think you are right on with you point
  • alvalv
    Posts: 179
    thhn said:

    While having sex with my wife last night, I had her get on top and I laid back and tried to relax just as much as I could. I didn't involve my hands, or push back or make any effort whatsoever. I let her control the pace and position.
    When I came, it was a tremendous full body orgasm the likes of which I haven't felt before.
    We can't change anatomy but I think you are right on with you point



    thhn - It took you a long time to figure that one out, men do not have to dominate and be in control all the time and woman just love and even get turned on more when they feel they are in the driving position. The point actually is that we men learn to orgasm too fast while we masturbate - as kids our guilty conscience makes us shoot our load as quickly as possible so that we do not get caught in the act. This we have to unlearn - just relax and never force anything which is also part of the key to super-o.

    My advice to MyTurn and newtoforums is to seek a BDSM dominatrix and have a orgasm denial session all weekend long while being restrained or tied up - boys then you do not have to work at all !!! - this might then cure your jealousies. The two of you can start your search here
  • thhn said:

    Although I think you are carrying this point a bit too far, it got me thinking about it and the more I think about it, the more I would agree with you. As a man, we can't totally relax like a woman can.
    While having sex with my wife last night, I had her get on top and I laid back and tried to relax just as much as I could. I didn't involve my hands, or push back or make any effort whatsoever. I let her control the pace and position.
    When I came, it was a tremendous full body orgasm the likes of which I haven't felt before.
    We can't change anatomy but I think you are right on with you point



    Why can't we relax the way a woman can? I don't think it is possible with the aneros but KSMO advocates make these promises all the time. Are they not true?

    alv said:

    thhn said:

    While having sex with my wife last night, I had her get on top and I laid back and tried to relax just as much as I could. I didn't involve my hands, or push back or make any effort whatsoever. I let her control the pace and position.
    When I came, it was a tremendous full body orgasm the likes of which I haven't felt before.
    We can't change anatomy but I think you are right on with you point



    thhn - It took you a long time to figure that one out, men do not have to dominate and be in control all the time and woman just love and even get turned on more when they feel they are in the driving position. The point actually is that we men learn to orgasm too fast while we masturbate - as kids our guilty conscience makes us shoot our load as quickly as possible so that we do not get caught in the act. This we have to unlearn - just relax and never force anything which is also part of the key to super-o.

    My advice to MyTurn and newtoforums is to seek a BDSM dominatrix and have a orgasm denial session all weekend long while being restrained or tied up - boys then you do not have to work at all !!! - this might then cure your jealousies. The two of you can start your search here



    Did you not read the part of his post which you cut out from the quote? Didn't he say he agreed with me and that men can't enjoy the same levels of relaxation women can. No one has actually disagreed with that.
  • thhn said:

    Although I think you are carrying this point a bit too far, it got me thinking about it and the more I think about it, the more I would agree with you. As a man, we can't totally relax like a woman can.
    While having sex with my wife last night, I had her get on top and I laid back and tried to relax just as much as I could. I didn't involve my hands, or push back or make any effort whatsoever. I let her control the pace and position.
    When I came, it was a tremendous full body orgasm the likes of which I haven't felt before.
    We can't change anatomy but I think you are right on with you point



    KSMO maybe?
  • At the very least women should give more oral sex (w/ prostate massage) than they take to even things out a bit in terms of relaxation.
  • I do think men might be able to relax to the extent women can.

    http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php?topic=34.0
  • impimp
    Posts: 72

    I want a woman who initiates sex at least half of the time.
    I want a woman who gives me an equal amount of foreplay.
    I want a woman who doesn't mind me getting foreplay first sometimes.
    I want a woman who gives me an equal amount of oral sex.
    I want a woman who gives as much if not more than she takes.



    good gosh, newt, you sound like a whining 12 yr. old with his first hardon. Enough of this obsessive fixation on women's orgasms. All the stuff you been harping on don't add up to diddly squat. If you'd quit your carping and read the wiki and other stuff here you'd start having some real fun.

    I thought this website was mainly about guys learning to use prostate massagers or did I get time warped to another forum?

    Support can you please lock this thread up so we can get back to talking about the fun toys you guys make?
  • imp said:

    I want a woman who initiates sex at least half of the time.
    I want a woman who gives me an equal amount of foreplay.
    I want a woman who doesn't mind me getting foreplay first sometimes.
    I want a woman who gives me an equal amount of oral sex.
    I want a woman who gives as much if not more than she takes.



    good gosh, newt, you sound like a whining 12 yr. old with his first hardon. Enough of this obsessive fixation on women's orgasms. All the stuff you been harping on don't add up to diddly squat. If you'd quit your carping and read the wiki and other stuff here you'd start having some real fun.

    I thought this website was mainly about guys learning to use prostate massagers or did I get time warped to another forum?

    Support can you please lock this thread up so we can get back to talking about the fun toys you guys make?


    It would still feel bad knowing that men can't truly relax or experience the power of a female orgasm. The relaxation part is very important to me.
  • alvalv
    Posts: 179
    newtoforums - please note

    Did you not read the part of his post which you cut out from the quote? Didn't he say he agreed with me and that men can't enjoy the same levels of relaxation women can. No one has actually disagreed with that.



    I did not comment his agreement. Did you not read my reply that I said it took a long time for thhn to figure that one out (that is to relax) - I am perfectly relaxed and really enjoy sex often hours on end or all night long - and that at 57 which is three times your age, both as active and passive partner during the same session, there are no performance anxieties, no analysis who did what for how long - at the end both my partner and me agree that it was the best ever so my sexual experience, intensity of feelings etc must be getting better and better every time.

    I cannot ever see myself in your position with a stop watch and after 90 seconds you sneeze and then you analyze "Honey, you only did this for 17 seconds while I did that for the remaining 73 seconds and you flexed your hips 13 times whereas I had to thrust 88 times" no wonder you so hung up.



    It would still feel bad knowing that men can't truly relax or experience the power of a female orgasm.



    Concerning sex I feel bad about nothing, my orgasms are often so powerful that I do not know how I survived them, totally pleasured, totally satisfied, totally relaxed getting ready for more of the same.

    The relaxation part is very important to me.



    THEN LEARN TO RELAX - AMEN that is all that there is to it
  • Hmm, interesting, never really imagined being in a woman's shoes during sex.
    Don't think I'd like to lay down, spread my legs and get pleasured like a woman does, frankly i imagine it'll be embarassing and I like to be the one dishing out the pleasure.

    Anyway, half the fun is in trying to give the woman you love pleasure, even a kid like me knows that... Even if you don't love her, just try to make her squeal, its an achievement :)

    Anyway, guys are spoilt for choice when it comes to foreplay, Oral (licking, bj, deepthroat), Anal teasing, tit-fuck, handjob, footjob (eew), stroking erogenous zones.
    Women only get fingered and stroked and oral has no variety for them.

    Woman find it harder to orgasm.
    And some women don't even experience orgasms ever. That is sad.
    I think my member is more on the less sensitive side, but all guys can orgasm, if I were a woman...
    I shudder at the thought of never experiencing orgasms.

    Isn't there a book teaching guys how to be multi-orgasmic or something anyway?
  • You left out the part when a woman sucks on your balls, i wish i could find a woman who would be willing to suck my ball sack after i have shaven all of my pubes off but sadly i cant find one to play with my ding dong and online dating sites dont really work and i cant go to out drinking to pick up women neither i am a member of A.A Alcoholics Anonymous i wish i could find a woman who would love me and hold me sleep with me and fuck me and play with my dick and suck my balls, where is she i cant find her?

    Hmmm im soo sad and lonely

    :( :( :cry: :cry: :roll: :roll:
  • thecritta said:

    You left out the part when a woman sucks on your balls, i wish i could find a woman who would be willing to suck my ball sack after i have shaven all of my pubes off but sadly i cant find one to play with my ding dong and online dating sites dont really work and i cant go to out drinking to pick up women neither i am a member of A.A Alcoholics Anonymous i wish i could find a woman who would love me and hold me sleep with me and fuck me and play with my dick and suck my balls, where is she i cant find her?

    Hmmm im soo sad and lonely

    :( :( :cry: :cry: :roll: :roll:



    Don't fret, love just happens, widen your social circle to improve the odds I guess...
    I'm no pro but I got to know my special someone through bowling, cuz I'm awesome at bowling, that and the fact that I fell into the lane cos I was ogling her while bowling :(
    Try meeting through hobbies and sports?

    Didn't leave that part out, just wasn't aware of it :/
    Does having your balls sucked feel good, dam, now I gotta try to hint for my special someone to try it :D
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I'm actually glad I'm a man, not being restricted to childbaring and the mundane. Besides men can be both active(the giver)as passive (the receiver), women can only be passive coz they've got 2 holes...well actually 3 if you count the mouth(or more depending on how sick you let your fantasy run wild)....anyway.....I think it boils down to evolution....I find I actually want to pleasure a woman..but this they say is due to the fact that the more the woman is satisfied the more chance she has of crapping out a baby...Not that this is what you want, but that's how millions of years of evolution have wired you....or maybe you're the exception? an x man :)

    So yes, as someone else noted, it's always good to keep both sides in mind and if that still doesn't work maybe a sexchange is an option?