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Having an issue starting involentries
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    I don't know if anyone has had this problem. But I tend to get confused between the two contractions.
    When I tighten my anus (as if stopping a bowl movement) with the Aneros in I get confused and contract the inner muscles and relax my anus. So in about two months I have not been able to get those beautiful inventory's.

    Can anyone assist me in "re-programming" myself.

    Thanks

    D
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Diesel2215. :)

    I'm not sure if there is any way or technique to figuring this out beyond just experimenting with different voluntary muscle contractions down there until you figure it out. That's how I learned. I just experimented till I figured out the different contractions.

    Are you saying that you used to get involuntary anal contractions, and now no longer do?

    I dislike suggesting this, but maybe you are just in a Aneros lull. It's a bummer, but it does happen from time to time.
    Perhaps other users here will have further insight or techniques they can pass on to you.

    Love_is
  • newguy8762
    Posts: 198
    Here's my suggestions:
    -Preheat (in warm water) the lube and the Aneros. The warmth helps relax the muscles just like applying a heating pad or taking a wamr shower or bath helps you relax.
    -Involve your nipples, if you haven't already. I use Alboline on mine and after inserting the Aneros, begin to rub them gently in a circular pattern. It gets the tickling, swelling feeling in the prostate going, which then kicks in the involuntaries for me.
    -I'm usually on my back, feet on the floor but lately, once the feelings get going, any position will do.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267

    I don't know if anyone has had this problem. But I tend to get confused between the two contractions.
    When I tighten my anus (as if stopping a bowl movement) with the Aneros in I get confused and contract the inner muscles and relax my anus. So in about two months I have not been able to get those beautiful inventory's.

    Can anyone assist me in "re-programming" myself.

    Thanks

    D



    Hi Diesel,

    Perhaps it's all about breathing butt here's my anal play experience...

    Similar trend here. Perhaps it's the phases of the moon. Perhaps a matter of muscle 'bulking.' Where a dominant muscle or muscle group is overwhelming some other opposing group. In old-fashioned body-builder parlance, maybe it's time for some delineation.

    Mid-June I had achieved very fine lateral control of my Helix and could 'wag' it from one side of my prostate to the other and work it vertically on either side. That 'tilt' control now seems lost. At the same time, I'm expending much less effort for major vertical movements (in-out). Overall 'fineness' of contraction control is better. My Kegels, while more powerful than two months ago have less definition. I read this as being 'over bulked' in the wrong places. Perhaps the smooth muscle in my anal canal has snugged up or mjght be contracting somatically and I'm not sensing that.

    The good news. My odds of a mini-O on any given Eupho session are improving. When I break into anal or PC involuntaries they are 'more crude' than a month ago and they seem to be more often triggered by better breathing rather than any voluntaries that preceded them.

    My breath coaching favorites to encourage involuntaries: Alana is great on WHEN to breathe. Jack Johnston is my choice for describing HOW to breathe. I haven't yet memorized Jack's words because there's so much subtle intonation in what he says. The guy has really worked on the language of inhalation and exhalation...gud stuf!

    So, in the end analysis, delineation efforts might not make a difference but it's definitely on my radar and I share Diesel's concern. To get a handle on it, I've done/am doing the following.

    -- Progasm has been relegated to the status of paperweight for the time being.
    -- Eupho continues as the tool for O-work (Alana driven sessions)
    -- Will try using the SGX rather than the Helix for 'all-out anal exercise' sessions and Kegels. That might improve 'differentiation and delineation' and restore better lateral control.
    -- Continue SGX during couples foreplay.

    OTOH, this might confuse things and send my brain (?) back to square zero.

    Another ploy might be to add an advanced Peridise to the tool box and use that for some Kegels.

    Any advise. ?????? In addition to any comments that the 'muscle binding' is just in the four inches between my ears. :?: :( :?
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    Love_is said:

    Hello Diesel2215. :)

    I'm not sure if there is any way or technique to figuring this out beyond just experimenting with different voluntary muscle contractions down there until you figure it out. That's how I learned. I just experimented till I figured out the different contractions.

    Are you saying that you used to get involuntary anal contractions, and now no longer do?

    I dislike suggesting this, but maybe you are just in a Aneros lull. It's a bummer, but it does happen from time to time.
    Perhaps other users here will have further insight or techniques they can pass on to you.

    Love_is



    Hi Love_is

    Thanks for responding. If I can answer your question yes I usedto have involuntay contractions but now having a problem getting there.
    Hope I am not in a Lull :shock: lol

    Thanks Newguy8762 I will try that.
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    Thanks Newbie2009

    You make so much sense thanks for the explanations.


    D
  • helixbill
    Posts: 148
    I too have relegated the Progasm to the back of the drawer for a while and gone back mostly to the Helix.

    One thing I noticed is that I was paying attention to the anal contractions. So much attention that I was not noticing the subtle feelings that I was having inside. For now I am trying to focus and build on the subtle sensations and that seems to be getting me back on track. The more I pay attention to the feelings I seem to automatically adjust the anal contractions to maximize the feelings.

    Hope that makes sense.

    One other thing I do periodically is while sitting on the toilet urinating I stop and start the stream several times. That helps me to differentiate those muscles from the anal contractions.
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    helixbill said:

    I too have relegated the Progasm to the back of the drawer for a while and gone back mostly to the Helix.

    One thing I noticed is that I was paying attention to the anal contractions. So much attention that I was not noticing the subtle feelings that I was having inside. For now I am trying to focus and build on the subtle sensations and that seems to be getting me back on track. The more I pay attention to the feelings I seem to automatically adjust the anal contractions to maximize the feelings.

    Hope that makes sense.

    One other thing I do periodically is while sitting on the toilet urinating I stop and start the stream several times. That helps me to differentiate those muscles from the anal contractions.



    Thanks Helixbill some good advice

    D
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105

    Here's my suggestions:
    -Preheat (in warm water) the lube and the Aneros. The warmth helps relax the muscles just like applying a heating pad or taking a wamr shower or bath helps you relax.
    -Involve your nipples, if you haven't already. I use Alboline on mine and after inserting the Aneros, begin to rub them gently in a circular pattern. It gets the tickling, swelling feeling in the prostate going, which then kicks in the involuntaries for me.
    -I'm usually on my back, feet on the floor but lately, once the feelings get going, any position will do.



    Hi newguy just a quick question if I may. My nipples have never really caused me any sexual feelings. Does this work on all people or only people who's nipples are erogenous zones.

    D
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hi Diesel2215, :)

    I never used to get any pleasurable sensations from my nipples, until about five months ago. Now they are a powerful erogenous zone! You need to practice tweaking them during Aneros sessions to wake them up. Much like you are doing with your prostate. Have fun! :D

    Love_is
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    Love_is said:

    Hi Diesel2215, :)

    I never used to get any pleasurable sensations from my nipples, until about five months ago. Now they are a powerful erogenous zone! You need to practice tweaking them during Aneros sessions to wake them up. Much like you are doing with your prostate. Have fun! :D

    Love_is



    Thanks Love_is really appreciated your input!!!

    Peace

    D
  • churney
    Posts: 42
    Diesel

    Try a very light touch, as gentle as possible. Try thinking of it this way.. not touching the skin but a hairs width above. Like you were trying to touch just a hair.

    Start slow and do not stay on the nipple. Move your fingers around the entire breast. Change sides, one side might yield more pleasure than the other. Open your senses to what your skin is feeling.

    For me, doing this get my perineum buzzing, and before long, slight involuntaries begin. Churn
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    Thanks Churney I will try this. The problem is I don't really have much time to practise...as my wife sleeps next to me, the only time I really have is on a Saturday when she works in the morning and I don't.
    I think I must start a seperate thread on "How do you married men find time alone" or something like that :lol:

    Peace

    D
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    Hi Diesel -- here's some history from a real novice (< 90 days into nips). Short answer --- YES :!: Once you've made the nip-brain-prostate-nip connection they'll work fine.

    Mine were nearly virgin territory save for a bit of 'nip-ed' in Taiwan and Japan many years ago. I was rather homo-phobic about the whole nip bit and the only rubbing I ever got was from cycling or running jerseys -- not at all arousing. Just pure painful irritation.

    After reading the Forum thread on nips in May, I tried some overly heavy nip-play (self-stim) on the tail end of an Aneros session. Aneros-out, that led to a hands-off, streaming wet-O. Was overly rough on myself and it took about a week for the pain to go away.

    After that I decided that my wife probably knew far more about nip-stim so, during foreplay, I turn over my nips to her. She gets a kick out of that but is only slightly better with mine than I am with hers. (Learning point-- I've been plumbering nip play for several decades.) So, we wind up verbally coaching each other about details of nip-play. Far more real-time exchange of chatter than for any other aspect of fore-play. I've pretty well settled in on the SGX for foreplay and enjoy :!: contacting in response to her work on my nips.

    Tough challenge is to avoid flying into a PONR wet-O situation -- at my age, it's a show stopper. (Note: I'm not nearly re-wired yet.)

    Agree regarding the thread comments about just brushing a hair follicle or lightly flicking a nip with a fingernail etc.

    Several guys have suggested saving serious nips till the second half of a session and I think that's a good idea. On a solo session with Alana, I follow that advice whether I've mini-O'ed or not.

    I start through a tee-shirt to avoid too much irritation while I'm building arousal. If the tee-shirt is too thin, consider a golf shirt. As arousal builds, the temptation to get inside the tee-shirt takes off ---at that point, call your own shots. :shock: :twisted: :D
  • MartyB
    Posts: 80

    Hi newguy just a quick question if I may. My nipples have never really caused me any sexual feelings. Does this work on all people or only people who's nipples are erogenous zones.

    D



    I'm with Love_is on this one. Before the aneros, I found nipple attention to be pleasant, like a shoulder massage. Half way into the journey, nipple attention changed and now somehow directly create pleasure in the prostate.

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    Hey Diesel2215, I'm in a similar place with minimal involuntaries. I've heard, and know, they aren't required to feel pleasure. The Super-O may be another story, but there is plenty of intense pleasure to be had well before the Super-O, so not to worry.

    I've experienced two different types of involuntaries, or at least the source of the involuntary is different. The first type is what I'll call, guided or suggested involuntaries. When you've built up enough arousal, you can tell your muscles want to do something; they are twitching and a little restless. You guide them by voluntarily moving them in some rhythmic like fashion. Next thing you know they keep doing it all by themselves, now they are involuntary.

    The second type is the energy vibration involuntaries. Everyone has felt a similar sensation when you are cold and shiver. Another example is when you are so "worked up" or frightened that your hands or body shake and you can't control it. The best way I've found to "Build Energy," is through breath when completely relaxed.

    Slowly Belly breath (fill your belly completely) in through your nose, imagine a yellow energy flowing into your nostrils and lungs. Feel the energy electrically charge your body. Be on the lookout for muscles tensing up at this point, they will, just relax them again. Slowly breathe out your mouth only. Imagine stress, worry, and expectations being blown out of your mouth as black smoke. As these leave your body, take a moment to enjoy their absence and any other new sensations that might be present. Clear your mind as you repeat this process, focus on your breathing. Mental arousal is not needed. Muscles tensing up are a sign that you are building energy :) but some energy is lost in the muscle tension, so work on staying relaxed. When you get good at staying relaxed, energy will start to build with every breath. You will feel the energy/vibrations in the part of your body that, despite your best efforts, has the most tension. If that part is "sexual" in nature and you have some mental arousal (not needed for energies in the penis, go figure), the vibrations will generate pleasure.

    The Aneros really enhances this process when you create VERY SUBTLE tension in your PC or Anal muscles.


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    My thoughts on why there is a change in nipple response on your aneros journey:
    It seems the mind needs a little warm up time before pleasurable sensations are felt from the prostate. The warm up time is when we are getting our minds into the mood, or starting to build a little mental arousal. With this mental arousal prerequisite met, any pressure on the awakened prostate yields pleasure.

    Maintaining this base level of mental arousal is something we, as males, have never had to do before! I was clueless and wasn't sure what to do. Watching porn seemed to work. Thinking about turn-ons worked better. My imagination isn't what it used to be, I'm still working on this. Keeping the mind "on-target" with a "fresh" supply of turn-ons/thoughts/fantasy isn't easy. After an hour or so, my mental muscles were shot and just like a weight lifter, I couldn't push the bar up anymore. Even during that hour, my mental muscles would become fatigued and weak. Out of wanting to give these mental muscles a break, my mind would wander somewhere else.

    It seems nipple attention can somehow equate to instant fresh "turn-on" material for your mind to effortlessly consume, which explains the bolt of pleasure felt in the prostate. Prostate stimulation hasn't changed, the mind's arousal has.

    I used to think "lots of pleasure" = "proper prostate stimulation" because
    I already knew "lots of pleasure" = "proper penile stimulation"
    Now I know "lots of pleasure" = "proper mental arousal" + "I think something is pressing on my prostate"

    Enjoy they Journey,
    Marty
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    Thank you MartyB and Newby2009 for your indepth explanation.....I can always rely on you to clear things up.

    Oh I must tell you guys I took the plunge and bought the HypnAerosession mp3 Download by Rumel and I enjoyed the session...but I had a good chuckle at myself....I started to get anxious when I didn't feel what Alana was saying I should be feeling....I know its stupid but I started to analyse why I was not feeling or experiencing what she said I should be. How do you get past this..most probably part of the rewiring process.

    Peace

    D
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
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    Diesel2215,

    Thank you for purchasing “HypnAerosession” .

    In that recording 'Alana' subtly implants a number of 'suggestions' intended to induce your sub-conscious to respond in a like manner. This is the essential operating mode for hypnotic suggestion. In my early investigation on the subject, I read there are a certain minority of individuals who simply do not respond to hypnotic suggestion. These individuals tend to be very analytical type personalities Almost everything they see, read and hear is filtered through their ego consciousness and does not easily become an implanted suggestion. This is not to be interpreted as any kind of psychological problem, fault or abnormality, it is simply a fact of the variability of individual psyche's. Your reaction to the session suggests you may be one such individual.

    As regard to some of your comments - “...I started to get anxious when I didn't feel what Alana was saying I should be feeling....” - having anxiety could be a sign that you have expectations. Please be careful with words like 'should', there can be whole hidden agendas behind that simple word that may undermine your ability to progress in your journey.

    “I know its stupid but I started to analyse why I was not feeling or experiencing what she said I should be.” I hope you don't really believe that you are “stupid”, generally, I've observed “stupid” people don't analyze much of anything, they just react to situations without much thought at all. Again you referenced 'should' with respect to feeling or experiencing something, there is the implication of an expectation for some effect to be manifested. Why 'should' or shouldn't there be anything? Why not just try to observe what is happening within your body during a session and allow yourself to suspend analysis until after the session is over?

    The analysis you are performing is termed “mind noise”, a term frequently encountered by practitioners of Jack Johnston'sKSMO protocol. An effective way of dealing with “mind noise” is through meditative practice techniques as well as breathing exercises as mentioned by the above respondents.

    IMHO, it is a mistake to put too much emphasis upon obtaining involuntary contractions, you can experience a Super-O without them. In fact it is probably a mistake to emphasize obtaining any particular milestone event, remember this is a journey for enjoyment, not a checklist of learning events or experiences to work at.

    “How do you get past this...” ? The rewiring process is about building new neural connections in the brain that recognize and acknowledge the sensations being delivered from the body due to the simultaneous stimulation of the prostate, anus and perineum areas by your Aneros massager. Learning to tune into those sensations and not kill them off through critical analysis is the first step to getting past your present stumbling block. Allowing yourself to just experience your body in all its subtleties will enhance the rewiring process. Perhaps try working on one small variable of technique per session to begin building your unique formula for success.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    It might also be just the lack of having had a parallel experience.

    As one of the 'analytical' personalities here I occasionally have a hiccup that parallels Diesel's experience. For me, erotic behavior was never a spectator sport -- all physical. (My childhood/early teen life was mostly devoid of porn aside from an occasional Vaudeville act or off-color joke.) --no TV. x-rated movies were poor-quality 8mm B&W. Penthouse arrived as I was finishing school and on my way to Korea.

    Mention 'basket-job' and the feel of that experience is instantaneous -- the only cognitive thought relates to whether it is clockwise or counterclockwise. Make a visual suggestion and my mind goes into super-low trying to build the image-- probably from something I read in the distant past.

    Suggestion. Value what you easily key on and let the rest sail right past for the first few trips though the CD1 session. Then, analyze what you're missing and why. Then, make up some easy-to-remember substitutions (a look-up table as it were.)

    For example: "Hair folicles," "ribs" and "testicles" are a no-brainer for me. I tingle!!! I got tangled up on the "glowing orb" and, as Rumel says I would "get cognitive" and that shot me out of the session for a minute or two. Solution: Now I just translate 'glowing orb' into 'swollen warm orb' and sail past the bit on projecting an image of my fantasy........ YMMV and 'warm, swollen, juicy orb' might work better :twisted: :roll:
  • J4J4
    Posts: 124
    The whole journey thing is a mystery. The same (roughly) routine – lube, relax, contract, try something new (or not) – and then “times up session over” – DOES NOT produce the same sensations month over month as they used to.

    Sometime I get a lot of prostate buzz, sometimes I get really hooked on doing one type of contraction or another, sometimes I get involuntaries. I used to get a pulsing feeling in my penis. Heck, I used to get involuntary clamping, but not anymore. Right now I just get a lot of excellent feelings – like my prostate is getting more swollen and sensitive over time – always looking for Mr. Right, but never giving up the mother load of goods.

    After months and months of this process, a session becomes kind of like nicotine – I just look forward to feeling those stroking and arousal building sensations. And if it’s been a week and I don’t get a session in, I start to get a little cranky.

    Can’t say I want to quit the habit because the sex has really been kicked up a notch. Can’t say I want to invest a lot more time and money than I do because while my prostate really enjoys “dating”, it doesn’t seem to want to go past second base.

    All I can say is there are a lot side roads on the journey, I tend to look down each one, and when I come back to the main road, its always just a little different - but not in a bad way. So if you seem to loose one ability, there’s probably a new sensation just around the next corner…

    J4
  • valliant
    Posts: 120
    Last night i had some great feelings,the first time i felt that my prostate was being teased so much.
    It felt so good i lost my relaxation and lost it,I have the best feelings when exhaling and stay there for a while,this give's me a pulsating prostate and some involuntary contractions.
    This is what started this session of,just focusing on to relax and do nothing else.
    I experienced just the start of the journey to total bliss and that already felt so good,i can't imagine what ahead of me.
    Relaxing when you feeling this is real hard.
    I'm progressing slowly each week but it's getting better as we go.
    I'm so glad i found this forum and new ways to stimulate yourself.
  • Diesel2215
    Posts: 105
    Wow guys thanks for posting.....much appreciated!!

    Rumel I get what you are saying..I have only listened to your MP3 once, I know I must give it time...and I appreciate your input. I must say that near the end of the first MP3 there were background noises of a lady reaching an orgasm..... this really turned me on. I can see allot of time and effort went in to making the CD. I just hope I don't fall under the percentage that cant be hypnotized... that would really suck. I get what you are saying about the "MIND NOISE" and just think I need to use the methods mention by MartyB and learn to control the BEAST (my mind)

    Thanks again

    D
  • Hi,

    I just recently got my first Aneros and then after the first two sessions I decided to get the MP3s.

    The first thing I learned from them is to actually relax. I think that most if not all of us have the biggest problem with this. The world out there doesn't provide most of us an option anymore. :( I actually listened to the first MP3 a few times without using the Aneros so that I would not be concentrating on what she was saying. (I also listen to the first breathing exercise part now in order to get relaxed enough to actually go to sleep but that is all, none of the parts after that, usually :wink: .)

    The second thing I learned from Alana is to let yourself go actually. You have to be willing to allow your body to experience these new sensations and not be concisously willing these sensations to happen. I have found that I still can't let go yet and know that in time I will and reach the end of my wonderous journey.

    Third thing I learned is that you must not be afraid to allow yourself the pleasure that you seek. I know this sounds odd, but I find myself thinking of things in my life that make me embarassed or feel guilty about having this special me time and this pleasure. I also know that this too will pass, but only if I allow it. You must let your cares, obligations and everything else go for the time while you listen and use the Aneros. This is my biggest and hardest thing to do.

    Fourth thing is privacy. Something that most probably have no problem with but when you live with and partially take care of your mother, you might have a lack of. Try to make your times when the other is out of the house or asleep. Just make certain you are not interrupted.

    Fifth thing is to never touch your penis when using the device when first starting with it. I have found that even the slightest thing touching me sets off the centering of sensations to that part instead of the interior sensations that I hear so much about.

    Sixth and final thing is don't worry about the Super-O. It will come in time and you will find pleasure that you never dreamed of along the way. I haven't been on my journey long enough to have one now with this device, but my first, when I was 13 a very long time ago now, was something I will never forget and have been searching for ever since. (It is the reason I finally went to the internet to find out information.)

    Above all things I've stated above, have fun and pleasure the way you can best. If this doesn't work for you try other things while using your Aneros. As long as sex doesn't hurt you or another and isn't breaking any laws, anything goes.

    Hope this helped. These things have on my journey.