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  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    Hi,

    I guess my OCD-tendencies come in to play with this, but nevertheless, I will continue.

    Over the last few years, I have always hated the hassle associated with having a bowel movement (BM) or number 2. It always meant not just a quick "wipe" afterwards, but ensuring I was clean enough to sit down in my underwear later.

    Nowadays it takes longer to wipe than to actually BM. I am never satisfied until I get the "all clear", so to speak (wiping and checking there is no residue on the toilet paper). Last year, I sort of fell into wiping with wet cotton wool (the sheets that you break yourself) as it seemed to capture more than toilet paper did.

    In the last week, despite constant cleaning and showering, I still am not clean when I wipe. I have to "settle" for "good enough" and be on my way. Then it occured to me: Since late December 2008, I have used Aneros about probably 10-15 times, including the Progasm.

    Could I be gaped? I've seen porn material of women who have enlarged anuses - I would say ruined - due to anal play, etc. To what extent does the Aneros "gape" you, or "widen" your anus? I remember reading someone here who said: "I am concerned that when I go for a prostate checkup, its going to be obvious...".

    PS: "Gaping", from the term "gaping hole".
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    MyTurn-

    you are always entertaining!

    gross topic.

    but, i will respond...

    i absolutely hate wiping my ass. i actually have nightmares about never-ending ass-wiping. (also ones where i am naked in a public place).

    a long time ago i had medical issues that shed the hair from my body, everywhere. boy did that improve matters down there! i don't want to shave down there, for fear of pricklies. but, i did ask my dermatologist if he could de-hair it with a laser. he said he could. so, you might consider something like that.

    asian and some european countries use water, ie, a bidet, and are scandalized that others resort to dry cleaning, which they don't think of as very clean.

    in any case, no, i do not think that the aneros would have that effect. first, we would have heard about it here. second, using it as few times as you have would not do it. finally, i would think it would be the opposite, from sphincter toning.

    darwin
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,254
    MyTurn,

    I agree with 'darwin', if Aneros use was causing any “gaping” effects we would surely have heard about it by now. Personally, I've been using for more than two years now on a regular basis and have not detected any such effect. The only effects I have noticed is it is now easier for me to consciously relax my sphincter muscles but still have good muscle tone (perhaps even better) to control defecation and flatulence.

    I'm sorry I can't help you with the OCD condition, however, I think you need to be careful about any method you use to clean the anal opening. Be gentle down there, you don't want to create irritated tissues from a too vigorous cleaning regime.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    Don't like TMI? Skip this one! OK, now that we're really getting anal I'm in.

    I've had hemorrhoid issues for many years, the result of irregular bowel habits (an employment consideration), sitting for many hours on very expensive but uncomfortable "furniture" and intermittently subjecting my innards to scads of downward force.

    Over the years I've had several 'banding' jobs**, the latest two years ago. Last year, despite an exceptionally high-fiber diet, I started having 'fall outs' and some inside-out events so knew there was a surgeon's table in my future. That hasn't happened! Au contraire, the Aneros seems to have improved my outlet, both statically and dynamically.

    I'm at about the two-dozen point on sessions since February with most of those since early May.

    I don't admit to owning a 'perfect ass-hole' (although I've been so accused), but since starting with the Anjeros, I'd grade it as a, 'very-good, perhaps excellent ass-hole' No bleeding incidents, better PC control and positively outstanding sphincter control under all circumstances. Have even been able to suck one protrusion back in without resorting to my thumb. And, the number of protrusions has been cut by an order of magnitude.

    Upon pottying, I slam shut, quite nicely now and, the toilet paper consumption is decidedly reduced

    -- Stable: SGX, Helix, Progasm and when our Leather store gets one, the Eupho

    **More TMI: For those unfamiliar with the procedure, banding involves a surgeon gathering up the loose tissue, tightly winding a rubber and around it, stuffing it back in and then waiting a week or two for the tissue to die and drop out.
  • newguy8762
    Posts: 198
    Apologies in advance...I'm not an idiot, just a terrible speller...Okay...yes, this is a gross topic but frankly, it's one we all have to deal with and if you can't talk about it here, where can you discuss it? So, here goes...I too hate wiping my ass. I fear the toilet paper breaking and...well...I don't want to go there... I've also developed hemoriods (sp?) over the years (I'm in my mid 40's, weight lifter, which may be some of the cause but I also sit on the pot for a good, long time) that cause bleeding sometimes upon BM and also require pushing tissue back up where it belongs...ahem...anyway...roids are natural...all creatures get them. It's God's way of keeping you from becoming incontinent. But, they do hurt and they are inconvenient. I read about a Dr. that totally eliminated his patients roids by having them squat without touching the toiled seat with their ass. Seems to put a lot of downward pressure on the innards, causing them to pop out from time to time. In the old days, our ancestors used to just drop trou and let it rip, without any support. This keep the nasty protrusions to a minimum. So, we've done it to ourselves with technology again, dammit! Using the Aneros has improved but not eliminated (pun intended) this condition for me. But, what has helped a lot has been the discovery of what my son termed "magic toilet paper", aka Cottenelle Wipes or Preparation H wipes. These handy, little, moist towelettes come in a convenient carry-with-you package (backpack, brief case) and make for easy, quick and complete clean up after your daily doody. I HATE skid marks in the underwear and I hate that "not so fresh feeling". But I do love the feeling after you take out the trash. My wife and daughters may only go once a week. that's just not right. It's like having rotting food sitting on the kitchen counter for a week. No wonder it smells so bad! My sons and I are on the pot at the same time, every day. So, girls don't poop and boys do. And, it sure does feel good. I don't like touching my asshole either unless it's perfectly clean (in the shower, upon Aneros insertion after a flush and use of the wipes) so I can totally relate. Shit smells for a reason, after all. Pooping is unpleasant but a part of the human condition. So, my advice...get some of these nice moist towelettes, relax, take a good, long dump (without resting on the toilet seat...hoover so you don't get the roids) and your worries will go away. Happy dumping my friend.
  • gm501
    Posts: 87
    Well, I'll put in my two cents here. From college until about eight years ago, I had hemorrhoid problems. At their worst, they would bleed like hell after a BM. But even between episodes, I would always have to wipe and wipe and wipe to get clean. I hated it. I had several "tie offs" by the doctor, and it would work for a while, but they eventually came back. Finally, the doc sent me to surgeon who took one look at my ass and pronounced me in desperate need of surgery.

    They put me out for the surgery, so the operation itself was no biggie, and I was home within a few hours. The recovery was worse because every time I BM'ed I'd open up the wounds. But eventually it healed, and what surprised me the most was that one or two wipes was all I needed to clean up after a movement. That was nice. I hope that continues (tho I have an occasional external roid that flairs up a little).

    So, if the doc suggests surgery, don't be afraid to have it done. I only wish I had done it years earlier. It would have cut my toilet paper bill considerably and extended the life of my drain field (we have a private septic system for you city dwellers).
  • Want to feel (and be) clean all the time? This gadget will do the trick. :D :D

    http://www.lotusseats.com/lang_english/index.html

    SWW
  • GrandTiger
    Posts: 325
    You guys should be interested in this thread:

    www.aneros.com/forum/enema-toilet-seat-t4147.html

    I got one.

    No more sticky business.
    No more friction.
    No more sore bum.

    Always clean and fresh.

    It's a whole new life!

    And Aneros is even more enjoyable than ever.

    End of story.

    EDIT

    Hello SWW, we were posting at the same time! Best wishes, GT
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    GT and SWW have covered the Lotus seat nicely. One of my kids recently bought one so I'm looking forward to a free trial before I spring the bucks.

    //start rant// As an advanced industrial nation, we've got the most hang-ups on taking care of our tushes. As a result we really neglect some basic hygiene. //end rant//

    In my 20s I was fortunate to visit Japan, where no one has "piles." Here's why:
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    It works like this:
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    The Japanese taught me how to bathe and be bathed. In the 50's, Sex in Japan was preceded by an extended version of the Aneros bathing ritual. Small rectal rinse, steam bath, shower and gentle scrub of the genitals and perineum. (washed your own balls if you didn't know the person bathing you.) Then, soak in the hot tub, get toweled off and only after all that could a massage and foreplay begin.

    In this country, not one master bath in 100 has a bidet. In Europe, they are common. Rinse, then just blot dry.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hi newbie2009, :)

    Slightly off topic question here...

    But, if you are wearing pants or shorts, does that Japanese style squatting toilet allow the user to properly squat without completely removing the previously mentioned clothing? One of my ex-girlfriend's mentioned to me many months ago that squatting was a much healthier way for humans to move their bowels. I had heard nothing about this before, so didn't know what to make of it. So thanks for bringing this up. It was interesting to read.

    Also, the bathing ritual prior to sex is a great idea that I've loved doing in the past! More currently with past ex-girlfriends, it's usually been more of just a shower to be cleaned off. I love being clean prior to sex. I've had one ex-girlfriend that didn't like to do that. Which was kind of gross for me. I want to be able to touch and tongue anywhere on the woman I am with, without having to worry about uncleanliness, bad odors and tastes. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule. But in general I like for each of us to be clean first.

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    On a sort of related topic...

    You know for a while now, I've been noticing that it appears that my better Aneros sessions seem to go hand in hand with my ability to have consistent, regular, quick, and effort free bowel movements. Which is problematic for me as I've struggled with constipation ever since I was a teen ager. But when I eat enough fresh fruits and vegetables, or supplement my diet with psyllium husk powder, I don't have a problem. Unfortunately I have not yet been able to keep both diet and elimination consistent so to speak.

    Does this ring true with anyone else? Or am just associating two things that have nothing to do with each other?

    Love_is
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    I'll just answer for the shorts/pants.

    Properly, aside from business areas, shoes are not worn indoors. So, there are no laces to fiddle with etc. Drop the trou and skivs, hang them on the hook, stockinged feet straddle the fixture (some fixtures have porcelain foot pads.) Poop, easy wipe, flush, get dressed and you're outta there. Aside from the hemorrhoid issue there's another benefit: your trousers haven't contacted the floor where other people's shoe soles have been.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    i am usually a pretty regular guy, and don't suffer from the ailments described here.

    but i did go through a period with some constipation. don't know why.

    i did some searching around, and found a site which sold a fancy contraption you put along side your toilet so you could perch on it with your feet, thus converting your toilet from a sitting toilet to a squatting toilet. it cost a couple hundred dollars.

    i thought "fuck that!" went to the local utilities store and bought a small kitchen mixing bowl. probably about 8" in diameter.

    what could be simpler:
    1. fill it with a little water.
    2. position on floor in front of toilet
    3. make sure toilet seat is down
    4. squat over bowl (pants can stay around ankles, but before you become a pro, take em off)
    5. you know you are positioned right if yer balls tickle the front edge.
    6. let er rip. your poop will definitely flow easier and more naturally.
    7. when done, move bowl aside, and get on toilet to wipe
    8. when done with that, raise seat, and dump contents in.
    9. rinse bowl in sink and dump rinse water into toilet
    10. that's it. don't get compulsive about cleaning it. it is clean enough to be a shit bowl.

    that, my friends, is a $3 solution to rhoids and constipation.
  • MartyB
    Posts: 80
    @darwin - I love your send of humor / practicality :D

    My favorite part: "it is clean enough to be a shit bowl"


    Maybe I'm in a weird mood, it made me laugh and I had to share :lol:



    The journey never gets old,
    Marty
  • Badger
    Posts: 647

    went to the local utilities store and bought a small kitchen mixing bowl.



    All fine and dandy, Darwin, until your daughter or girlfriend or whatever uses it to make brownies or something. And then where you going to be? Eating your own crap! (This is supposed to be funny. Now LAUGH, dangit!!)

    But seriously, I have an inordinate fear of such a thing happening, but otherwise, an inexpensive and innovative solution to a common problem.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,254
    darwin, etal.

    Your solution has a major flaw, with a little water in there splash-out, wave surges or bouts of diarrhea would be very messy to handle spill overs.
    Why not just get a couple of cinder blocks, put one on each side of the commode, stand on those then squat down over the toilet bowl and do your thing. It would save the hassle of keeping a separate stinky bowl around and having to carefully dump it after each use. You could probably get the two blocks for less than $3.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    With the RN I share bed with, any of those solutions would last about one microsecond. I'd be in exile.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    objection 1: unauthorized use of shit bowl for culinary purposes. easily addressed with a marking pen "Caution: shit bowl. Not intended for brownies." Besides, it is stored in the bathroom. And, your girlfriend is gonna wanna use it too (might need strap-on testicles so she can feel when she is positioned right).

    objection 2: tidal wave of diarrhea. This shit bowl is used when having difficulty pooping. you know when that is gonna be. i never had any problems with overflow. cinder blocks along side toilet ain't gonna cut it. first, they will look like shit (ha ha), second, they would be too far apart for you to squat.

    guys, i ask you: what do you think your ancestors used for generations and generations?

    here is a link to a toilet squatter: http://www.toilet-related-ailments.com/order.html

    darwin
  • gm501
    Posts: 87
    darwin said:

    ...Caution: shit bowl. Not intended for brownies.


    Not sure you intended the double meaning there, darwin. Too funny.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    That's some good and humorous ideas for squatting while eliminating. :D :lol:

    I may try darwin's bowl method at some point. Cheap and simple, thanks for posting that darwin. Although where to store a shitty bowl in a small apartment bathroom? :lol: I like the idea of the toilet squatter stand. But there is no way that thing is worth $480 USD! That's highway robbery! But the information on that site is very interesting. To think that western sitting toilets could the cause of a lot of bowel problems. It's unfortunate, that the whole web site seems to be geared towards getting people to buy that expensive toilet stand.

    I guess if someone was very skilled with wood working. They could make a wooden version of this toilet squatter stand pretty inexpensively. But it would have to be sealed very well to be able to keep it clean and sanitary.

    Love_is
  • I've found the lowly bathroom waste basket works nearly as well. While seated on the toilet place the basket under your feet. Not a full-on squat, but usually close enough to get the job done.

    SWW
  • MartyB
    Posts: 80
    I used an old 1 gallon ice cream bucket. Worked like a champ :D The heals of my feet made a neat squeaking sound on plastic as I was gaining proper form.

    Nothing to buy, have plenty of them, and throwing a few in the trash wouldn't be a big deal if a simple rinse didn't take care of the odor.

    You can put the bucket right next to the toilet and keep the plunger in it to thwart any misguided culinary artists. The plunger also helps to explain any odors that may creep up if you've missed them.

    Enjoy the journey,
    Marty
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672

    You can put the bucket right next to the toilet and keep the plunger in it to thwart any misguided culinary artists. The plunger also helps to explain any odors that may creep up if you've missed them.


    MartyB, you are a genius!!!


    I went looking for an inexpensive stainless steel bowl yesterday. No such thing! I'm not paying $15 to $25 for a shit bowl/bucket! I'm going to have to re-think my options. I'm also going to see if I can just squat on top of the toilet seat bare foot. I'm starting to think that the search for a shit bowl is also a journey! LMAO Thanks for all the wonderful and "punderful" insight guys! :D

    Love_is
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    Love_is said:

    ....if I can just squat on top of the toilet seat bare foot.
    Love_is



    Beware of slippery shea butter residue on bottoms of feet :O :o :!:
  • autumn
    Posts: 22
    MyTurn, I use baby wipes. Have done for years. On the rare occasion that I don't have any to hand and have to use traditional toilet paper it always strikes me how inefficient and ineffective they are. If I'm out and about and have to use it my sphincter starts to itch after awhile because it hasn't been cleaned properly :x. I use unscented/fragrance free baby wipes as I'm a sensitive flower 8) . I heard once that one shouldn't put baby wipes down the loo as they might clog up the works but I pretend that's not the case and flush away!

    I also used to squat like the Japanese but would do so whilst precariously balanced on the loo seat. I haven't done that for years though as I'm not as young or fit as I used to be. If memory serves, it was worth the effort though as the bowel movements would be more thorough and strain free. If I get fit enough again I'll give it another go and let you know how it goes!

    In the meantime though I do recommend you give baby wipes a try.

    EDIT - sorry Love_is, I missed this before

    Love_is said:

    I'm also going to see if I can just squat on top of the toilet seat bare foot.



    I recommend wearing slippers/shoes. When I tried it barefoot I found it very hard on the feet. Also, be careful as it can be awkward to maintain balance initially and bathrooms don't normally have something to hold onto to assist! :D Good luck!
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    So I found out that you can squat barefoot on the toilet seat. But like autumn says, it's a little hard on the feet as only a portion of your foot is supported by the seat. Thankfully though, what I've found is that I'm done in under a minute. It is so much easier and quicker to go. Much less effort and straining involved, and I feel pretty much empty afterwards. Balance is tricky. Thankfully I have a sink in front of me to hold onto. Otherwise, using the tank behind can work to. It seems to be of help. And I'm going to keep doing this for a while. Thanks for the info guys.

    Love_is
  • autumn
    Posts: 22
    Good stuff Love_is :). If you're a masochist try it with the toilet seat up i.e. you squat directly on the toilet bowl. That is really hard on the feet! :lol:
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    No thanks autumn. I'm not a masochist! :lol:

    Love_is
  • autumn
    Posts: 22
    Love_is said:

    No thanks autumn. I'm not a masochist! :lol:

    Love_is



    Very wise :). It's twenty odd years since I tried it but I still remember it well enough to recommend that you don't :lol:.
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    Sorry for the late reply. Time is so short. Thanks guys. I will reply to as many people as I can now, and the rest, at another time. I read all your posts.

    Darwin, culturally, Britain is outside Europe, so you don't see many bidets around here AFAIK, although my uncle has one. They are known here though.

    Rumel, always good advice. Yes, I am thorough but not rough when wiping.

    newbie2009, oh man. I guess by "inside out events" you mean, what's inside came out :shock: I hope you were at home and not in the middle of a theme park of wedding or something. Having an operation back there, being a heterosexual must have been some experience.

    newguy8762, you and another person talked about wet wipes. I have used them when at a house where there is a baby and it does help. Other than that, I wet toilet paper. Skid marks are a big concern for me. My instinct is for those underwear to come of straight away. No way could I pull those back up. A few times, I've thrown them AWAY.

    gm501, BMs opening up wounds sounds like a horror story. One thing is to have a wound. Hell, salt in a wound is bad, but THAT STUFF - how do you get a doctor to delve into old fecally wounds, and plus, it must cause you to feel constantly unfresh.

    Love_is
    , I have a big tub of psyllium husk tablets. I didn't notice a difference after 2 weeks, so I stopped (also, I stopped the Omega-3 as they are hard to get outside office hours (when I am able to). I will build up a "buffer" of both, then start again, without fear of running out during the "course", then top up when I can.

    I will try the mundane fruit and veg way of things. My mum got me a blood cleanser which is a bunch of tree-bark looking herbs that you boil in water, then drink. So far (could be coincidence), I BM the next day - I've tried it 3 times. However, I tend not to drink it weekdays, as I don't want to BM at work. The work toilets are...for want of a better word, sh..:twisted:

    Just to add, even if I am as clean as I can get. Give it a few hours and passes of wind later and I feel unfresh again, almost to the point of "messy" and need to just wipe even without "taking out the trash".