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Non-erotic orgasms, aneros can be non sexual
  • esfenoides
    Posts: 58
    I was finding that sexual fantasies, porno, literature, etc... were interfering in a way with my aneros play. This week Ive learned that I can go on aneros ride very naturally just on riding pleasure waves and traveling for as long as I wish.

    Music is good too.

    Im getting the sense that Im going into these states triggered by the muscle contractions and the toy's touch. Energy just expands and circulates and dose crazy things through the body. Aneros is like a meditative experience really.

    I recently introduced peredise to a friend of mine and he says he dosent find the experience sexual at all. Its rather like playing with the energy.

    One thing is for sure: peredise has to be the number one toy out there!! Its so small and simple in design. not too much lubrication is needed. I cant wait for the release of a saintless steel model.

    Ive tried combining aneros play with music fo various kinds with interesting results, I make the pleasure waves expand in sync with the music and I dance inside my body.

    Very orgasmic
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    I find this often to be true as well. When I view porn or use sexual fantasies to fuel my arousal level, the energy that it brings about leans much more towards the type that leads to ejaculation.
    It's when I mentally bring about the sexual energies but not through sexual fantasies, and just feel them, expand them, and breath them, is when my body heads towards the more deeper inner orgasms.

    I feel since I've used porn or fantasies my whole life to achieve ejaculation, is why when I use them during aneros or aneroless sessions that it triggers the energy to move towards ejaculation instead of multiples. But then again once I've fully rewired this may no longer be the case.

    But I agree. When I go into an aneros or aneroless session as more of a meditation is when I often have the best results.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    WOW esfenoides and Billy11!

    I was just recently making this point in a different discussion here yesterday in thhn's thread Orgasm from a prostate massage with a finger http://www.aneros.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4283 .

    Partly because the vigourous Super-Os can strain old injuries and induce distracting pain, and partly because of history and wider interests, my body early on distinguished between narrowly focused erotic energies and the more generalized energies you two are experiencing and describing. That quickly led me to the "above and beyond" Calm Seas-Os bliss orgasms. I was thrilled. When I found that using KSMO as an amplifier with mrs. a, shared it all with her and also pumped her energies for sharing too, it was, well, perfect! See my blog: http://www.aneros.com/displayblog.php?id=3544

    Taoism models this as the transformation or transmutation of sexual energies into life force energies and life force energies into spiritual energies.

    JING (SEXUAL) > CHI (LIFE FORCE) > SHEN (SPIRITUAL)

    Now I occasionally use some porn only if I want to narrow the focus back to JING. It is not that jing isn't present to a degree always, these are not mutually exclusive categories. The world/universe/multiverse are essentially orgasmic! 8) The male multiple orgasm practices are true male liberation gifts and all about the rebuilding of we males as whole integrated people.

    I believe that this thread could become as important as a next step after Cockadoodle's landmark
    Penis NOT! thread. Maybe this one could be Porn NOT! :lol:

    The Community Poll Spiritual Orgasm: Interest and Experience http://www.aneros.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3376 currently has 21 replies: about 1/2 interested and the other half getting some to great spiritual orgasm experiences. Please add your thoughts there too.

    Last year, Pan provided a great overview article on The Quest for Spiritual Orgasm http://www.healingtaobritain.com/p67magazinequestforspiritualorgasm.htm by Taoist Michael Winn.

    all the best life force enhancement and spiritual soaring all

    artform
  • esfenoides
    Posts: 58
    Aneros is having a wide variety of target markets now with the spiritual quest, sex, health, pelvic muscle awareness and strengthening...

    Just had 1 hour session of aners listening to trance music and floating in waves. Thought come to mind at a lot of levels. I think my view on things when my mind wonder has a special thing to it. Ive found myslef embracing love topics a lot... What Im getting at is that it dose seem to have the characteristics of a powerful trance state where that time could be used in other ways. I found that loving myself was a recurring topic in fist sessions for me, sex was distracting to the point that I fantasize about it. It would be incredible to hug someone though and just pump them with pleasure waves.

    This looks to me as a powerful spiritual practice.

    arfrom, Im with you on non pornographic spirituality! (or something), there is good food for thought here. I forsee plenty of experimentationa and investigations into how this all links with the rest of reality. This activity certainly kicks major ass. Doing key sound and aneros makes me wonder why I would ever resort to drugs, this high is something that can be practiced and masterd, and after the trip is over you feel better than before. My head is buzzing with inspiration.

    It can even be a selfhelp method. Raise your energy levels, highten your awarenes, release past trauma, love thy self, free your mind, enlighten yourself.
  • MartyB
    Posts: 80
    Wow esfenoides, reading your posts is like looking into a crystal ball for what I'm about to experience! I love the comment on playing with energy; I'm just starting to enjoy this experience as well.

    I've heard many people comment on what the experts describe as, "That sounds a lot like Tantra." I've been interested in Tantra and have read a little about it. I didn't put the pieces together until about a month ago. It was then that I first experienced sexual energy flowing, like my base chakra had opened up. I didn't have a clue what it was until my next session when the energy grew and spread into other parts of my body. (I talk about the first session in this thread: http://www.aneros.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4176) I felt the energy not only in my genitals, anus, prostate and perineum, but also in my back and in my chest or diaphragm. It felt like I was in one of those massage chairs at the mall. Literally, my voice would have vibrated if I spoke.

    At one point the energy left my genitals and was only in my chest. When this happened, all of the pleasure I was feeling up to this point went away. The sexual energy had moved up out of my genital area and became energy of another kind. When I focused on my prostate and perineum the energy moved back down and the pleasure resumed.

    At this point I knew it was energy that I was feeling, as I was able to move it around my body. Before this I had no idea what I was feeling or working with, I was just enjoying it and seeing where it would go next.

    :?: A question for those who know Tantra or have mastered the mysteries of the Far East, is it fair to say energy is energy regardless. If the energy is in your sex organs then it can be called sexual energy, if not then it isn't sexual energy (yet, until you choose to move it there) :?:

    Marty
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,265
    MartyB,

    I haven't mastered much of anything in life, and have only begun to touch the outer skin of Tantric practices but I believe the energy we are dealing with is really just one. I like to use the term - Life Force Energy. This is my current understanding of it. When it is focused in the root and sacral chakras, we call it "sexual" energy and term men “ballsy” and women “brassy”. When it is focused in the solar plexus chakra, we call it “gutsy” energy. When it is focused in the heart chakra, we call it “loving” energy. When it is focused in the throat chakra, we might call it “oratory” energy. When it is focused in the third eye chakra, we call it “psychic” energy. When it is focused in the crown chakra, we call it “intellectual” energy. I think we all tend to move this energy around in our body at different times for different purposes.

    'artform', 'Pan' and others have already written eloquently about this energy so I encourage you to read their posts for more insight into this aspect of Aneros practice.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Regarding the common ground of these energies here is a recent personal example:

    From Penis NOT! to Porn NOT! (with apologies to Pan! :lol: ) to Genitals NOT! (a possibility, an option, not a dictate! :lol: :wink: :arrow:

    Another arrow in the quiver! (And boy do we quiver! :D )

    A couple of days ago, mrs. a and I awoke in the early morning and were feeling sensual and were caressing... general body caressing...

    I could feel my energies flowing with erotic overtones but instead brought my left foot up under the ball of one of mrs. a's feet. I felt some energy flow there and asked if she did too. Yes. So I slid my hand down to enable me to touch one of her finger tips with one of mine. It just started... We were now circulating the energies mutually in loops fingers to toes through our bodies!!!

    No muscle spasms, but the gentlest of Calm Seas-Os floating bliss while these energies coursed through us and we shared these amazing effects. We both felt energized during and for much of the day following.

    If I had to say, I would say we were mostly feeling the effects ascribed to Chi, the Life Force, but there were clearly echoes/elements of Jing and Shen there too...

    Hallelujah! :D :D :D

    artform
  • esfenoides
    Posts: 58
    Cool artform, very cool

    In the same way some of us are unlocking the circulation of energy, having a partner atuned with these forces can enable experiencing bigger circuits.

    Love is the greatest of energies. Love making is normally refered to as loving sex. So we have sex, and love making, but how do we describe making love without the sexuality and the need to plant/recieve a seed.

    Circulation of electricity with both polarities present has to be infinitively more powerful.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Thanks esfenoides!

    I think/feel/believe that your riff above on these energies is truly reflective of their reality.

    As to what to call the Genitals NOT! version, how about General Energetics or for those not wanting to lose the link to their origins as we find them here, General Orgasmics... 8)

    I am curious about your Sphenoid focus/avatar and any links to your practice, if you care to elucidate?

    flow on flow on flow onward

    artform
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Bump. This thread (Thanks again esfenoides and All! :D ) deserves to be bumped too and parallel, as the next step, cockadoodle's Penis NOT! thread.

    journeying on and on and ever onward all

    artform
  • alvalv
    Posts: 179
    I have come to the conclusion that Aneros induced pleasures are not sexual related, they are different. Admittedly my very first time use was very sexual (rock hard penis and had to masturbate to a wet orgasm). I believe the simultaneous unstimulated sexual response is only a programmed reaction from our brain a programmed sexual response by association, expectation, exposure to media, friends hears say etc; in other words - just a sexual ego response. (ego = what we want to be and falsely project; self = what we actually are)

    Once I discarded the sexual ego and the expected sexual self satisfaction, only then I truly opened to the real pleasures that the Aneros can produce as I then, for the first time, I allowed them, trusted them and let them explode within me without any sexual performance expectations. That the penis is completely flaccid played no role. No need to measure up to anything - size, hardness, semen quantity, squirting power, you name it - forget them all, forget the ego just be your self and just enjoy the Aneros-pleasures!!!

    As for now I am exploring the new-found Aneros-pleasure in a non-sexual contents, they satisfy, relax and energise me. Once I know them well and feel completely comfortable with them, only then I think, I will be comfortable to combine them with partnered sex and hopefully experience the Galactic-O.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Congratulations alv!!! :D

    What a clear wonderful description of this liberation! While this does not mean we have to leave behind the earlier experiences with Aneros and their benefits, this is a higher level, with a new freedom that you describe so well!

    Have you thought of blogging your ongoing journey here?

    all the most joyous soaring as your explorations continue

    artform
  • alvalv
    Posts: 179
    artform said:

    Congratulations alv!!! :D

    Have you thought of blogging your ongoing journey here?

    ... While this does not mean we have to leave behind the earlier experiences ...


    artform Thanks!

    and yes i have considered blogging my journey - where I do not know yet.

    My road of self discovery started two years ago with a false start in 2003 - no aneros then - I was doing a combination of power kegels, and when I say power I mean power, together with deep breathing at the same time feeling electric in my body. As it turned up I ended up in hospital with hyper-tension, the doctors quickly jumped on the diagnosis bi-polar (because of an incidence in 2003 - big story ending up for one month in Abu Dhabi Police psychiatric care). Both the 2007 and 2003 diagnoses were wrong - In 2007 refused all medication (Lithium) and managed to calm myself down letting the energies guide my body to unwind - if anybody watched me then they would say I was possessed by the devil as I was shaking involuntary as we do with the Aneros.

    So, if I start documenting my journey as a complete picture then the Aneros, for now, is a small part of it.

    Finally artform I must return the congratulations as I enjoy your post mostly - I particularly look forward to your endings and yes I am soaring joyously.
  • plantation
    Posts: 253
    large a mercy d' to have come on this forum alv do not leave us any more remain with us a long time on this forum still thank you for your writings :o :o
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello alv, :)

    and yes i have considered blogging my journey - where I do not know yet.


    I don't know if you were aware of this... But the Aneros web site has it's own Blog section.
    Come join us Bloggers there. :D

    http://www.aneros.com/blog.php

    Love_is
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Bump to "Welcome to the Forum" discussion.

    This thread works well with Cockadoodle's Penis NOT! thread, as the next step. Some newbies find they need this kind of approach due to previous life experiences. This also prepares others for the gradual paradigm shift.

    hoping for the best possible Welcome to the Forum for all

    artform
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Bump for ansub and All!!

    enjoy all

    artform