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This product is a total disappointment
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    I bought the Aneros Helix strictly as a masturbational aid, and I don't think I've ever seen an item that has failed to live up to the hype as this one has. These testimonials on this site that speak of mindblowing orgasms now seem informerical-like in their absurdity to me, but I'm sorry to say they were convincing enough when I paid $60 for this product, figuring, "Why not?"

    Upon my initial investment, there was nothing stated to me about having to engage upon a "journey" of "rewiring" myself and spending hours upon hours doing research, lying around meditating or practicing breathing exercises with this sex toy in order to reap the results promised. When I found this forum shortly after wondering why my new Aneros didn't do a thing for me, I was somewhat surprised by the amount of details involved with such an allegedly simple product, but thought I'd give it a fair shake before pronouncing judgment. While I didn't and do not have any interest or belief in the concept of a "hands free" super (or multiple) orgasm, I'd hoped to at least find out if the so-called prostate massager was worth the money paid for the enhanced orgasms it was supposed to provide.

    So, regardless of sticky notes, forum advice, or testimonials, the Aneros still does absolutely nothing for me. Zero effect. Whether after five minutes of use or three hours, the end result is the same. I have found it actually diminishes from an orgasm by serving as a distraction, NOT enhancement. Today I experienced the final boring, uneventful session as I realized "This isn't worth any more of my time."

    So be it; $60 wasted is not pleasant, but at this point I'm more concerned about the time wasted on this when five minutes with a Victoria's Secret catalog is guaranteed to produce a better (and cheaper) outcome. Unfortunately, my return options are not valid so I'll chalk that $60 up to re-learning the value of the phrase "caveat emptor."

    However, I think for the sake of honesty in marketing (perhaps that is an oxymoron) Aneros should scale back on the pie-in-the-sky promises associated with their product and be more forthcoming about the work supposedly involved with yielding results from their device (not to mention the lack of results it may produce). Certainly their return policy does urge customers to give this sex toy a chance rather than returning it upon finding it doesn't work, but that simply looks like a stalling tactic to get people to wait long enough for the return period to expire. Yes, I am sure Aneros is aware like any other business that if they warn potential customers that results are not instantaneous (or they may see no benefit from this product at all!) it will cause them to lose business. However, which is worse: not attracting customers in the first place, or having disgruntled former customers who feel their money and time has been ill-spent?

    I suspect this post will be met with glib replies that "the Aneros isn't for everyone" and insinuations that I didn't give it enough time to work. However, I would say several long months of patient experimentation and perusal of all online advice tips constitutes a qualified analysis.

    I hope this post is allowed to remain on this forum to balance the glowing testimonials that hint the Aneros is the cure for every known malady affecting mankind, including baldness, cancer and gingivitis. And for those who still believe in the value of this product, you can pick up a free Aneros if you're interested: just rummage through my garbage can on trash day: it's all yours.
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    kermis said:



    I suspect this post will be met with glib replies that "the Aneros isn't for everyone" and insinuations that I didn't give it enough time to work. However, I would say several long months of patient experimentation and perusal of all online advice tips constitutes a qualified analysis.



    Kermis,

    No glib replies at all, except to say, maybe you should lay off the caffeine for a while. Wow, talk about having an ax to grind, sheesh!

    You used the Aneros for "several months" and that constitutes "patient experimentation"?

    You said it yourself, "I didn't and do not have any interest or belief in the concept of a "hands free" super (or multiple) orgasm, I'd hoped to at least find out if the so-called prostate massager was worth the money paid for the enhanced orgasms it was supposed to provide."

    Seeing as you had no interest in what the Aneros could provide, how was it supposed to work for you? On the basis of what you said, it appears that you got exactly what you hoped for----nothing!


    Your rant is chocked full of such contradictions.

    Given your bitter failure with the Aneros, I'm sure that it's easier to console yourself with the idea that we're all shills here. And so there is very little that I or anyone else can say that will change that for you. I know this will come as a shock to you, but this forum is populated by a community of caring people. Some have had success right off the bat, while others have taken a lot longer. One thing that they all have in common is that they are looking for a different experience (something greater than an ordinary ejaculation) and are able to delay gratification in order to achieve it.

    For others such as yourself, there's always the "Monkey Spanker". Hey, no "patience" required!


    Paul
  • BoPBoP
    Posts: 96
    This is an open forum kermis and we are all open here in regards to our experience, I am multi orgasmic and so are many here and I feel you are a bit too aggressive.

    To most of us your statements sounds like I bought a bike to get to work faster but I found I have to work so hard to turn the wheels, and I spend even more time getting to work since I get tiered so fast.

    Aneros is Prostate toy designed to massage your prostate that is the only thing it is physically designed for, I am sure that device you have does exactly that it massages your prostate when used properly. Orgasmic experience is not centered around aneros you can use different methods to get there but it for sure helps.
    Even if you are not interested in achieving super O you can keep the toy to massage, prostate gland that that is suggested by doctors, this is the fundamental reason for Aneros to exist, pleasure is an addition and was discovered later.

    None will appreciate your post here, it is not constructive and very emotional, but in case you change your mind no one will be angry at you for posting this, we do not know what the circumstances of your experience are. If you do need advice come back and I will for sure try to help you find the way.
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    Hmm, I state the product doesn't work for me as advertised, and immediately I am told that I have an ax to grind; my review is merely a rant; I am bitter; several months of use does not actually equate patient experimentation; and my words are misconstrued (and content ignored) to state I wasn't willing to do the work involved and wasn't interested in the benefits advertised by the Aneros so I shouldn't be surprised by the empty results.

    Polecat, let me reiterate for you lest you redefine the topic: marketing literature for the Aneros when I bought it promised "an orgasm like no other." In other words: better orgasms. Not hands-free. Not multiple orgasms. Better orgasms. I'm not concerned with hands-free component and think the multiple orgasm is a myth, but as I originally stated was willing to give this a shot to see if the actual orgasm quality was improved, which was not the case.

    It's funny you mention "shills," Polecat. Did I say anything about shills? No, you brought that up, apparently intending to deflect such comments. Which leads me to my next speculation: could it be that the posts on this forum which involve lack of results ("help needed") with the Aneros constitute the bulk of the genuine customers, and the posts which breathlessly describe all the wonderful, immediate benefits of the Aneros represent the Aneros employees populating this site? Certainly it's not out of bounds of reality to wonder if this company pays a few hourly-wage employees to stock the site with bogus praises and tut-tut away any uncomfortable comments which might make the company look bad. If this post disappears I think I will know why.

    And bOP, you state: "To most of us your statements sounds like I bought a bike to get to work faster but I found I have to work so hard to turn the wheels, and I spend even more time getting to work since I get tiered so fast."

    No, I think this is better versed as "I bought a Ferrari to get to work faster because I was told by the dealer that the results were immediate and fantastic. However after I paid for the car I was given a box and told to assemble the vehicle before use. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, then found after following assembly instructions the engine wouldn't start."

    Yes, I guess that just makes me a bitter ranter with an ax to grind. Nothing to see here, folks. :roll:
  • ndro
    Posts: 20

    Certainly it's not out of bounds of reality to wonder if this company pays a few hourly-wage employees to stock the site with bogus praises and tut-tut away any uncomfortable comments which might make the company look bad.



    Wow, If I am one of Aneros' company, I sure have missed a lot of paychecks!

    I am not one of the most active posters here, but when I do see these kind of posts, I feel the urge to jump in and have my say.

    Aneros may be not for everyone. But for those who put in their effort, do the research (wonderful source we have here) and actually do the suggestions, the results are more than worth the efforts and amazing. And I wouldn't want anyone who read this thread to be discouraged by the original poster just because he did not do all the effort.
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    Hi Kermis,

    I think that these two comments tell the story:

    I bought the Aneros Helix strictly as a masturbational aid



    I didn't and do not have any interest or belief in the concept of a "hands free" super (or multiple) orgasm



    There needs to at least be a belief that it is there before you can have some real success with it. What I would recommend is that you take that Helix and stick it in a drawer somewhere and give it a rest. I believe that you are going to start hearing more about this phenomenon and when you are more open to it, you can pull it out and try again. I hate to see it be a complete waste for you.

    I think it is a great idea that you come here and post your disappointments. That is why we have such a great bunch of people, to be our sounding board.

    Good luck to you and hopefully we will see you back here sometime.
  • Old WolfOld Wolf
    Posts: 114
    Kermis, I don't think anything that I can say will miraculously result in your improved orgasms especially if you have already binned your Helix. I am quite sure that there are many people for whom the Aneros hasn't worked and I'm not going to speculate as to the reasons.

    Happily it has worked for me, and no, the Super O and multiple orgasms are not fables; I can absolutely and categorically attest to that from personal experience.

    I do, however, take issue with your:

    kermis said:

    .

    It's funny you mention "shills," Polecat. Did I say anything about shills? No, you brought that up, apparently intending to deflect such comments. Which leads me to my next speculation: could it be that the posts on this forum which involve lack of results ("help needed") with the Aneros constitute the bulk of the genuine customers, and the posts which breathlessly describe all the wonderful, immediate benefits of the Aneros represent the Aneros employees populating this site? Certainly it's not out of bounds of reality to wonder if this company pays a few hourly-wage employees to stock the site with bogus praises and tut-tut away any uncomfortable comments which might make the company look bad. If this post disappears I think I will know why.



    You're not the first to have made this allegation, you won't be the last. Half an hour spent reading the 'beginner' posts (use the 'Search') of such long standing contributors as B Mayfield, Darwin, Buster, Rumel, HLaser, Pan, Mog et al should demonstrate how paranoid such an allegation really is. Have these people, and others, really spent that amount of time doing nothing but creating a myth? Is it really economically viable for Aneros to maintain a stable of "a few hourly-wage employees to stock the site with bogus praises" Or maybe all of the above are, in actuality, one "...hourly-wage employee to stock the site with bogus praises". Maybe I'm one? Reality check needed here I think.

    I am sorry for you in that you haven't found, in Aneros, the improved orgasms that you seek.

    I hope you find them elsewhere.

    Good luck,

    Old Wolf
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    ndro said:

    Aneros may be not for everyone. But for those who put in their effort, do the research (wonderful source we have here) and actually do the suggestions, the results are more than worth the efforts and amazing. And I wouldn't want anyone who read this thread to be discouraged by the original poster just because he did not do all the effort.



    As I've stated twice now I did indeed put forth the effort. I followed all instructions provided on this site including stickies, wikis and blogs. So I refuse to allow your attempts to marginalize my comments by twisting them into a declaration of "pay no attention to the crazy man who was too lazy to do the work involved. It's impossible anyone could buy this product, follow the directions and not achieve amazing results."

    It IS possible, and I will reiterate once more I followed all advice posted on here without any such results. You will not distort this by claiming it is the fault of the customer and not the product. I paid $60 for the right to have my say on this product, and it isn't going to be brushed aside with a lot of condescending misrepresentation and erroneous analysis.

    And once again, I find the people who rush to pooh-pooh the notion they are paid shills for a product to be the ones most likely to fit that category. Isn't it interesting how many allegedly impartial "gurus" of the Aneros police these forums looking for anything that might cast a negative light on this device.
  • Old WolfOld Wolf
    Posts: 114
    Kermis, I have found that there are some people who, for whatever reason, insist on arguing a failed cause. (e.g. the flat earth society) You seem set on the notion that anyone who, following your initial post, speaks up in favour of the Aneros is a paid lackey of HIH and Aneros. Apparently nothing will dissuade you from this notion. I shall bow out and leave you to your conspiracy theory.

    To everyone else, DFTT.

    Old Wolf
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    [quote=Old Wolf]Kermis, I have found that there are some people who, for whatever reason, insist on arguing a failed cause. (e.g. the flat earth society) You seem set on the notion that anyone who, following your initial post, speaks up in favour of the Aneros is a paid lackey of HIH and Aneros. Apparently nothing will dissuade you from this notion. I shall bow out and leave you to your conspiracy theory.

    To everyone else, DFTT.

    Old Wolf

    I don't mind anyone speaking up in favor of the Aneros: what I DO mind are posts intended to misrepresent my comments or to stubbornly insist a falsehood that I didn't give the Aneros a chance and that failure of results are my fault exclusively.
  • johntrevy
    Posts: 221
    Aneros, wheres my paycheck i need job and food. LOL.

    Joking aside. I am sorry that this hasnt worked out for you so far. I looked to the Aneros because quite frankly i am useless with talking to girls and conventional masturbation just doent cut it for me now.
    I was very skeptical at first, i was one of those 1.Guys cant have multiples 2. Anal play for guys is gay. 3.I cant do this 4. This must be fake.

    But after what was it, 6 months? months? (cant remember, have to look over my first super-o post).I was over taken with the most amount of pleasure ever experienced. It was kind of frightening at first because my mind had no frame of reference to look up (The brain judges reality by looking up a long list of experiences and beliefs. If the brain cant find anything that matches what is happening at the time, the natural action is to either deny it, or be fearful of it, or in the few cases embrace it).

    Please dont give up, i cant say that you would ever get the super-o tommorow, but it is the JOURNEY that matters. The destination is great, but without experiencing the journey, reaching the destination would never have been near as fun.

    Johntrevy.
  • BoPBoP
    Posts: 96
    It seems that you posted here with one intention to express unhappiness and have no intention to listen to anyone, just because of this I would remove this topic.

    There is no place you will find a sign that tells you aneros will bring immediate results. It seems to me that you are not comfortable with anal play and can not enjoy it.

    It is possible to take something great and turn it in to nothing by sharp words and loud speeches, I see nothing constructive in this topic only emotions and aggression, this is why I will no longer respond to this thread and hope others do not since it will only fuel this persons aggression.

    This is from the official website
    "
    The medically researched, designed, and patented Aneros was originally created to allow men to safely and effectively massage the prostate, relieve congested prostate fluid, and promote general prostate health. It is precisely anatomically tailored to the male body - every curve of the Aneros serves to provide the best prostate massage possible. When inserted, the Aneros is drawn directly towards the prostate. The man contracts and relaxes the anal-sphincter muscle, causing the Aneros moves on its own, directly massaging both the prostate and perineum. Through practice, relaxation, and an open mind, a man can use the Aneros to teach himself to experience a completely new type of orgasm."
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    BoP said:

    There is no place you will find a sign that tells you aneros will bring immediate results. It seems to me that you are not comfortable with anal play and can not enjoy it.



    Yes, and here we go with the same old same old: "It COULDN'T be the fault of the Aneros that it's not working. It just couldn't BE. It MUST be you. YOU'RE to blame!"

    Nonsense, the site from which I purchased this does indeed indicate this works immediately:

    http://store.babeland.com/safe-sex-sexual-health/aneros-prostate-stimulator

    Hmm... nothing here about "relearning" or "rewiring" your body.

    Nothing here about "you will need to use this for hours at a time for a period of months or even years before, um, finding any actual benefits."

    Nothing here about the open-minded "journey" involved with dedicating a significant component of one's existence before it works.

    Certainly no Peter Pan-like fairytale comments stating "You must believe in this device for it to do anything!"

    If you want to stomp off in a huff and sneer about trolls, be my guest. I concluded a while back that stating anything less-than-glowing about the Aneros here might result in some hysterical tirades intended to "shout down" a critic. However, my claims here are valid and, I think for the outsider, far more believable than the hoopla in the adoring testimonials.
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    rayvega?
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,265
    kermis,

    First, you can be assured that this site is monitored by the support staff at the Aneros Company. If they wanted to remove your post, they easily could do so. I find it remarkable that their very act of accepting and allowing negative opinions of their product to exist on THEIR website demonstrates extreme confidence in their products’ ability to deliver the functionality it advertises.
    Second, the store from which you purchased is not owned or run by the Aneros Company thus they have no control over the advertising content displayed thereon. It is unfair to hold Aneros or the testimonials of Forum members responsible for the claims of third party retailers.
    Third, it is particularly naïve to expect a manufacturer to provide a full, detailed, exhaustive description of all the known permutations relating to the use of their products in their promotional literature. I am fairly confident that an intelligent person like yourself will readily understand that.
    Fourth, an individual’s “belief system” can and does have a profound effect on a persons feelings, emotions and actions. One need look no further than the realm of religious beliefs to understand the profundity of the effect of belief on a person's actions.
    Fifth, every individual is entitled to have an opinion. You have certainly expressed yours with an energetic rhetorical style, the validity of which can only be assessed against a history of posting here on this Forum.
    Sixth, It is obvious from your original post that you entered into the Aneros experience with pre-conceived ideas and expectations. It is nearly impossible for one’s reality to match the intensity of one’s fantasies; as such it is almost inevitable to experience disappointment at the incongruity.
    Seventh, while it is unfortunate that you have not experienced the beneficial and pleasant effects that others have reported here on the Forum, that does not grant you permission to dismiss their sincerity, veracity or imply they are making false statements such as when you said “…testimonials that hint the Aneros is the cure for every known malady affecting mankind, including baldness, cancer and gingivitis.” If you desire your posts to have relevancy then I suggest you avoid wildly unsubstantiated statements such as this which only undermine your credibility.
  • GrandTiger
    Posts: 325
    With all due respect Kermis, Babeland does not represent High Island Health (the Aneros Company).

    I've found that as I'm getting older, I enjoy everything, especially sexual pleasure, much more intensely and passionately than I ever did when I was young. Yet I eat the same food, listen to the same music, and still have the same taste buds and the same ears, and I also have the same penis! So clearly, my increased pleasure is the result of something going on in my mind. That is what re-wiring is all about, and that is where "belief" comes in.

    There is much more to sexual pleasure than the locally produced sensations due to direct physical stimulation. One's mood makes all the difference in the world; you know this is true.

    I hope that over the next few days, having contemplated all the constructive feedback from us happy customers on this forum, that you will feel a whole lot better and be able to approach all this in a new light. It is indeed a journey, but the destination is not the goal. In fact, once you are enjoying the journey, you will never want it to end!

    Best wishes,

    GT
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    rumel said:

    kermis,

    First, you can be assured that this site is monitored by the support staff at the Aneros Company. If they wanted to remove your post, they easily could do so. I find it remarkable that their very act of accepting and allowing negative opinions of their product to exist on THEIR website demonstrates extreme confidence in their products’ ability to deliver the functionality it advertises.
    Second, the store from which you purchased is not owned or run by the Aneros Company thus they have no control over the advertising content displayed thereon. It is unfair to hold Aneros or the testimonials of Forum members responsible for the claims of third party retailers.
    Third, it is particularly naïve to expect a manufacturer to provide a full, detailed, exhaustive description of all the known permutations relating to the use of their products in their promotional literature. I am fairly confident that an intelligent person like yourself will readily understand that.
    Fourth, an individual’s “belief system” can and does have a profound effect on a persons feelings, emotions and actions. One need look no further than the realm of religious beliefs to understand the profundity of the effect of belief on a person's actions.
    Fifth, every individual is entitled to have an opinion. You have certainly expressed yours with an energetic rhetorical style, the validity of which can only be assessed against a history of posting here on this Forum.
    Sixth, It is obvious from your original post that you entered into the Aneros experience with pre-conceived ideas and expectations. It is nearly impossible for one’s reality to match the intensity of one’s fantasies; as such it is almost inevitable to experience disappointment at the incongruity.
    Seventh, while it is unfortunate that you have not experienced the beneficial and pleasant effects that others have reported here on the Forum, that does not grant you permission to dismiss their sincerity, veracity or imply they are making false statements such as when you said “…testimonials that hint the Aneros is the cure for every known malady affecting mankind, including baldness, cancer and gingivitis.” If you desire your posts to have relevancy then I suggest you avoid wildly unsubstantiated statements such as this which only undermine your credibility.



    Certainly Aneros could remove my post, which would only confirm my original claims that this site presents propaganda concerning their product. Or they could have their posters seek desperately to invalidate the claims of anyone who finds this device unimpressive, thereby casting all critics as merely deluded, lazy malcontents...

    Secondly, Babeland may be to blame for the original misleading marketing involving the Aneros, but the fact remains it is produced by the company which owns this site... and which certainly has no objection to any incorrect claims, promises, hints or other information which might wrongfully compel someone to buy it.

    Regarding the entire need for "belief" in the Aneros or the need to shed "preconceived notions," that's just plain hogwash. Hogwash. Market the product as a mystical emblem, then, and warn prospective customers of the need to condition their minds to embrace this alternate reality. But gee, nobody would buy it then. for such direct honesty would scream "fraud!"

    Any notions I had regarding the Aneros were provided directly to me by those making money selling this to folks. Folks who are then told when no results are found "Oh, it works - trust us. Spend a great deal of time with our techniques, and be patient. And then when the return policy has expired, if you object to having been misled or ripped off, we'll simply paint you as a bad seed who doesn't 'get it' and brush aside any negative feedback you might provide."

    Lastly, the testimonials on this site and others very much imply that it's therapeutic benefits extend far beyond the original claims. Some have claimed to feel the effects even when not using it, that it's cleared up unrelated conditions, etc. So, my sarcasm stems directly from these trumped-up claims and their obviously engineered content. Aneros should take them down, if they have an interest in accurate promotion.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,265
    Buster,

    You’re right, it’s ‘rayvega’ reincarnate!

    Guys,

    There is no logical end to this discussion, it is similar to the allegations that Aneros use causes IBS.
    Opinons are NOT facts, they are only assertions of our individual beliefs on any particular subject. Each of us knows what is true from our own experiences and what is false in the statement of others regarding those experiences.

    Perhaps it is time to move on!
  • GrandTiger
    Posts: 325
    Many thanks Kermis; you have revealed to me a fundamental problem with the theory of Bayesian inference. If the prior probability {P(H)} of hypothesis H that is inferred before new evidence E becomes available, is assumed to be zero, then the posterior probability {P(H|E)} of H given E will always be zero. In simple terms, no amount of evidence will ever change the mind of the disbeliever.

    End of story.
  • kermis
    Posts: 11

    Many thanks Kermis; you have revealed to me a fundamental problem with the theory of Bayesian inference. If the prior probability {P(H)} of hypothesis H that is inferred before new evidence E becomes available, is assumed to be zero, then the posterior probability {P(H|E)} of H given E will always be zero. In simple terms, no amount of evidence will ever change the mind of the disbeliever.

    End of story.



    Oh, I have plenty of evidence. Months worth, actually. And every bit of it points to the fact the Aneros does not produce the results proclaimed on the sites that sell it. I see now we're down to stating "your opinion doesn't make it a fact." No, the fact is that the Aneros does nothing for me. That's not opinion.

    And on and on and on we go with the "it's just not possible that someone might try our product - er, I mean, the Aneros - without getting the benefits we told assured them would result" merry-go-round ride. Do you guys moonlight for politicians by chance? Because there is more frantic spinning, finger-pointing and revisionism here than I've ever seen outside of Washington D.C.

    I especially find the constant backpedaling by the Aneros peddlers humorous. When evaluating whether to buy it the customer is told:

    "Incredible results! You'll be amazed! Buy now!"

    After buying it and wondering why it doesn't work:

    "Well, you have to be patient for results!"

    After trying some more:

    "Uh, you need to do lots of research and practice breathing techniques, plus set aside a third of your day. Routinely. Get cracking."

    After complying with no benefit:

    "You need to BELIEVE this can work! Free your mind and enter a new realm. Remember, it's all about your level of faith in this product!"

    After continuing to give more than a fair shot to a product that apparently needs its own university program for users to show any positive effects:

    "Your journey may take a long, loooooooooooooooong time, but remember, uh, it's not the destination, but the voyage! Keep at it!"

    After the "voyage" goes nowhere:

    "Are you sure you're doing it right? I don't think you can be doing it right. Re-read our 500 page textbook and start over."

    After the finally customer decides enough is enough with the used-car nonsense:

    "Ulp, you must not have the, er, RIGHT BLOOD TYPE? What kind do you have? Type A? Well, there you go! This only works for type O people. Sorry for not, um, saying so first...."

    After the customer becomes disgusted and voices their dissatisfaction:

    "Maybe you just didn't have enough faith! That's what it is - nothing wrong with the Aneros, it's all you! Your lack of faith makes you the one at fault here!" :roll:
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,196
    kermis-

    if you had bought the device from the aneros site, you would be able to get your money back.

    every once in a while an ill-tempered attention-seeking poster comes on the forum, and spews a bunch of garbage, providing some temporary entertainment as the flames fly, and ultimately becoming an annoyance. i hope you won't turn out to be one of those.

    for the vast majority of the 5000+ registered members of the forum who have collectively over 10 years provided 15000+ posts, the totality of the information here, the intelligence of the posters, and the fascinating details that have been emerging about the use of these products and male multiple orgasm (and female) are self-evident in their veracity. is there some hype? possibly. is there some exaggeration? almost definitely on occasion. however, the sheer bulk of the diversity of thinking, communication, honesty and personal information make it clear that, no, this can't possibly be a work of fiction. yes, of course it is in cyberspace, and, yes it is true that this science-fiction idea that it is fake could apply to any site. but, to 99.99% of the people who come here, this is not a doubt that they have.

    of course we all wish you had better luck with the product. there is no question that results vary with anatomy and attitude. so, i am very sorry for your frustration, and definitely understand how you could feel mislead into expecting more instantaneous results. i wish you could get your money back.

    i will say, however, that only very rarely (having read every post on this forum for the last 5 years), do men write in to describe a complete lack of sensation. about 10% are completely disappointed, but that is because they just never get anywhere with the hands free multiple orgasm. it is exceedingly rare for men to not feel a boost in their regular masturbation or sex. i guess this means that you have a slightly different anatomy than most.

    if i had a magic wand, i'd send you a peridise to see if it would make a difference. i would be very curious.

    i agree with buster. if you haven't thrown it out, don't. just shelve it for a long while. again, very sorry that the place you bought the device from doesn't offer a money-back guarantee.

    hope the best for you,
    darwin
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    Darwin,

    A terrific and thoughtful response, from someone who really knows what "patience" is all about. Unfortunately I suspect that it will be lost on Kermit. His purpose was not to seek help or advice from anybody here, but to vent his own frustration and to create same in others.

    Kermit,

    You've obvious gone into "recycle mode" at this point, regurgitating all that you've written previously, over and over again. The thing is, okay okay,we've got it already, you're one angry guy! And all of this over a little piece of plastic? But of course, there is more to it than that for you isn't there? Something about attention I would dare say.

    To all Aneros Forum members, do not respond any further to this thread, there is absolutely NOTHING that you can say that will have any impact with Kermit. Anything that you say--or don't say for that matter only goes to prove "something" untoward about the product, the company and the good people who contribute to this forum. Any additional responses to him are pointless and will only give him what he is REALLY after---attention.

    Kermit, have yourself a ball!

    Polecat out
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    Contrary to the statements of those insisting I'm merely an attention-seeking troll here to cause disruption (always the final insult sneered over the shoulder of one rapidly exiting a debate in which they have no ability to contribute anything further), my goal is merely to balance the propaganda in the pro-Aneros testimonials with some real-world commentary from an actual user who is less than impressed.

    Please observe I have no objection with nor intention to harshly reply to pro-Aneros posters who had something of value to add to this conversation. I don't think anyone can say I "jumped on" a single person with anything positive to say. People like polecat, who frantically attempted to misconstrue, distort and sweep away my arguments, should not be upset or surprised that I took the discussion further and straightened out their inaccurate blame-pointing claims.
  • Jaff
    Posts: 4
    Hi Kermis, I see you've been getting pretty hammered over your, post, however, your initial post seemed to be indicating that aneros should promote large warnings that their product doesn't work for everyone instantly etc etc and things have sort of slipped from there.

    Logically no product of this type, will always work for everyone everytime, however it does seem as though the aneros works for nearly everyone, at least after some practice/time. it just seems as though it doesn't work for you - At this time... . My first experiences with the aneros a few years ago were similar to yours and I chucked mine (regretfully). For some reason, recently, I decided to try it again (I think more for the prostate health issue) and this time have found that it suddenly, now really works. And I'm pretty impressed.

    So perhaps just give it a break for a while and come back to it. Incidentally, I dislike using it as a masturbatory/intercourse aid and don't really enjoy the feeling of prostate stimulation if I'm concentrating on the feelings up front - so perhaps next time, look at using it in a different way than what your original intention was and see if that helps????

    In regards to Aneros marketing, this board is freely viewable by all potential customers and many posts and suggestions do indicate that it can take some time to get noticeable results with it, and many have mixed results. I do understand how you feel as it's not too different to how I first felt, but consider a company that sells vibrators for example the jack rabbit, lots of women think they are fantastic and their advertised in that way, however some women don't like them at all and others say that it doesn't do much for them or they prefer other types - would u expect the manufacturer to put such warning on??? No, they promote the positive aspects of their products - but aneros in my view is more than fair with their warnings and their money back guarantee if bought through their site, so your disapointment is not really fairly aimed at aneros company. Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others either. Perhaps getting a tad too bitter over it all... I don't believe anyone 'compelled' you to buy it. Unfortunately I've bought many products in the past that don't live up to their quality expectations, fridges, t.v.'s, toasters, microwaves etc and they sure cost more than the aneros. A number of postings - such as Grandtigers, Darwin's and Rumel's last posts sum up your whole situation pretty well, why don't you take those viewpoints on board?

    At least hang on to your aneros and try again in 6 months. Good luck!

    In relation to the other guys - perhaps you could lay off him a bit - I didn't think his first post was that caustic, just a customer who was frustrated and due to his experiences sceptical of the claims - as I was the first time (period) it didn't work for me. How would you feel in his situation? If no great things happened, why wouldn't someone be sceptical, I know I was..... Methinks some of the other posters here started to get personal before Kermis did. Besides when things degenerate it's hard to tell which one is the fool.
  • ArcticWolvesArcticWolves
    Posts: 286
    With that type of attitude of "Expecting" something from the device or merely buying it for a "set purpose" was your downfall because you programmed your brain for one thing & one thing only. To achieve the super-O you have to relax and "Just Let Go." ;) Oh, you already knew this though because you read all the information. But did you really let go?? Or did you still have those expectations in the back of your conscience. It wouldn't really matter what else you did after that. You had expectations for the product and you still do.

    The one thing I don't appreciate you saying is a select few members here are paid employees. You have no right to come here accusing members of being paid employees. It's remarks like these that will earn you very little respect and be shown the door pretty quickly. However, I'm sure your very experienced at doing things of this nature. There's a name for people like you. It's called a "Troll."

    Troll:
    An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

    You disregard mostly all the remarks/comments someone has said to you and are able to come up with feedback for every little comment that proves your claims INVALID/FALSE. All your feedback is either attacking the other person or making smart @$$ remarks to stir trouble.

    Guess what???

    Any aneros user knows your claims are false. Because of your attitude, I frankly will never care if you use this product ever again or even achieve success with it. Your downfall was when you first searched for a toy expecting results from it.
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    Once again I'm angrily accused by a loyal devotee of having incorrect expectations and/or assumptions about the Aneros which produced the failure of results (and the umpteenth time the finger has been pointed at me for allegedly not following directions).

    I'll reiterate the points you folks don't seem to be grasping (or which you simply refuse to believe possible): any opinions, expectations or other attitudes I had towards the Aneros CAME FROM THOSE SELLING IT.

    And again: The results I expected from this product did not come out of thin air, those PROFITING FROM THE ANEROS ASSURED ME THIS WOULD BE THE OUTCOME.

    Let's take a look at another site which carries this product (and which was one of the ones I checked before buying it) and perhaps we can determine how a new user might think the Aneros was supposed to do what it was advertised to do here:

    http://www.healthyandactive.com/helix-massager.html

    I quote: "All you have to do is place this item inside the anus."

    But no, it can't be the fault of the marketer that these assurances aren't valid, it has to be the fault of the customer for actually falling for the claims of said marketer. What's the weather like on the planet you live on? :roll

    Furthermore, upon discovering the "work" involved with this product I willingly proceeded to engage in it to no avail. It isn't as if I bought the Aneros, found it didn't yield immediate benefits, then immediately posted my negative critique here. Had this been the case you all would have been perfectly well within reason to inform me I should have followed the guidelines. However, this was not the case and I certainly did adhere to the advice involved, so I'm not going to stand for anyone else presuming to proclaim what I haven't done right here.

    Regarding my claim that some folks here are paid employees, some of the vitriolic responses to my posts here are doing nothing but substantiating that, in my mind. Immediately after my original post I was told I was merely overcaffeinated, bitter, emotional, grinding an ax, etc. All classic symptoms of individuals who, upon being confronted with information they find threatening, have a motive to attack and discredit the individual responsible, to twist said information into being irrational, false, or anything else that can invalidate it (like declaring the poster a troll, pleading with everyone to pay him no further attention, and marching off amidst a melodramatic hissy fit).

    Granted, there have been some positive replies from other users here as well, which have been appreciated. But the attempted shout-downs, the insistence on distorting my comments, and the finger-pointing attempts simply reek of "insider!" If you're unbiased happy customers why the obsessive desperation to strike back at someone who has dared to criticize the Aneros? Do you think a company has never paid its employees to seed the web with positive reviews and comments and/or go after anyone who makes negative remarks about said products? If so, you're terribly out of touch from reality.

    "Any aneros user knows your claims are false."

    This is exactly what I mean about insiders (or even just plain immature individuals incapable of handling someone saying something they don't like): I am an Aneros user (former at least), and I certainly know my claims are true. Someone else stated here that opinions aren't facts. Guess that applies to you and your infuriated wishful thinking.

    "Because of your attitude, I frankly will never care if you use this product ever again or even achieve success with it. Your downfall was when you first searched for a toy expecting results from it."

    That's nice. Are you done spewing meaningless invective, or do you care to engage in another pointless display of rabid fact-twisting hysteria?[/code]
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    Polecat warned us!

    Peace out!
  • O'shea
    Posts: 38
    Hi Kermis,
    It took me a couple of months to get results from my helix also but when it happened, Wow! I can only speak for myself, and I was a huge skeptic. I figured I'd give it a try and if it was half as good as what I read here it would be a bargain. It really does work and I have never felt anything like it. Obviously, its not working for you. Seems to me your choices are shit can the damn thing and move on or keep trying and maybe ask some advice from some of these guys who have a lot of experience. It's totally your choice. These guys can help you if you're interested. If you're not, that's OK too. Good luck to you.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    I can't believe I'm jumping into this intellectual mosh pit, but here goes...

    Kermis,

    I have lost count of the number of threads like this that begin with declarations that 1. the product doesn't work 2. the whole thing is a scam 3. the posters are all paid employees to maintain said scam 4. that this thread will almost certainly be deleted because of it's "truthful" nature

    Guess what? Those threads are all still here, going back over several years, available for everyone to see. Feel free to look them up. Rest assured, this one will join them and most likely have plenty of company in the future.

    For what it's worth, your dissatisfaction is duly noted (and recorded). So like O'Shea said, the question is do you want our help or not? If so, I suggest you start a new topic thread and ask for it politely, in a constructive manner. As with most things in life, you get what you give around here.

    Otherwise, I think we're done here, don't you?

    To my fellow community members:

    Many of us have gone through a long and difficult process in learning to become multi-orgasmic. And once we do become multi-orgasmic, we're constantly being told by The-Earth-Is-Flat-Club that we must be - lying, delusional, scammers, etc. Because "everyone knows men can't have multiple orgasms." Most people don't understand or acknowledge the kind of pioneering accomplishments we've been making, and all in the face of incredible skepticism, and fearful hostility. Is it any wonder we tend to get a little defensive at times?

    But Kermis does have a point - many of us are enjoying awesome pleasures that we ourselves once thought to be impossible, and here we are bickering over the opinions of one man? Really now, what kind of example are we setting here? I think Kermis has done us a service (hey, that rhymes!) by raising the question - with all this ecstatic pleasure at our disposal, how is one guy able to push our buttons so easily? Perhaps being multi-orgasmic isn't an end in itself, but rather the start of a new journey towards learning to be multi-orgasmic men in a world that fears and rejects the very notion of our existence. Hmmm, sounds like a new thread topic to me: "Riding The Super-O In A Post-Puritanical Society - A Survivor's Manual."

    If this thread has upset you, or coaxed a less-then-constructive reply from you, please take a moment to consider why and view this as an opportunity for personal growth and development. Well, that or try re-reading it with the Aneros up you're ass!

    Peace Out!
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    Pan, multiple orgasms were never on my agenda nor did that topic ever so much as appear as a blip on my radar screen. My focus was on the enhanced orgasm - the kinds which dozens if not hundreds of testimonials on this very site make mention of, without stating anything about multiple orgasms. Certainly one can't argue that it requires a belief in the possibility of multiple orgasms to see any increase in the quality of a singular orgasm when using the Aneros.

    I welcome your post (a refreshing change from the querulous insistence that someone who stands up for their comments is a "troll" who apparently should lie down and let critics run his statements through a shredder) but frankly this talk about non-believers and skeptics is what helps contribute to the concept of the Aneros as a scam.

    I've did some reading this past weekend on scams and their characteristics - real estate gimmicks for instance. Namely, those silly infomercials which urge people to call and pay a few bucks to "learn the secrets" of how to make millions buying foreclosed properties (do a Google search for John Beck or Robert Kiyosaki, the author of those incredibly ridiculous "Rich Dad Poor Dad" books). Seems insane anyone would pay these people money, right? Well, these scams all have the same trademarks:

    -Pay us to learn our secrets.

    -Our product will bring you incredible results.

    -Thousands of people's lives have changed thanks to our product (and they really aren't on our payroll! Trust us!).

    -It may sounds too good to be true, but it really works.

    -Conventional thought and knowledge doesn't apply to our product.

    -Now that you've purchased our product, here are some details we must have forgotten to tell you before you gave us your credit card: it takes just a teeny bit more to get this to work.

    -Make sure to keep searching for results from our product until long after the return policy has expired.

    -It requires an open mind / faith / relearning all you know for this to work.

    -Ignore the doubting Thomases who will scoff at you or try to talk you out of this; they are "chained to their fears" and "unable to envision the possibilities."

    -If you didn't get anything out of our product, it must have been due to your own limitations.

    If one contemplates (or uses) the Aneros and finds the same symptoms as listed above, it's hardly unreasonable for a red flag reading "SCAM!" to pop up in their head.

    O'Shea and Jaff, thanks for your comments as well.
  • Mindgasm
    Posts: 31
    Well said Pan. I don't like jumping into these "mosh pits" as they usually lead nowhere. However, I arrived at some thoughts and I thought I would present them.

    Kermis,

    When I first learned of this product, I too saw it on what I will call a third party website, or a re-seller of others products. I was rather skeptical of their dubious sounding claims. So before buying I researched and cross-referenced as best as I could (no doubt far from exhaustive), and made sure I spent time reading about the Aneros from its source site. Then I was able to see the incongruent nature of the reseller websites; the actual makers of the product designed it as purely a health aid. I understand finding out all the information on a product on the Internet can sometimes be nigh impossible, however in this case said information was out there. If you restricted your reading to only the reseller websites I am sorry, but there is not much one can say to that (at least for now, keep reading). This statement is not to belittle your ability to research topics, believe me I've done the same thing from time to time, I think we all do.

    Now I eventually took leap of faith and figured I would try it. I have been pleased with the results. But I understand that my results are not a guarantee for everyone. I think what we need to come away from this is that the old standby remains true: caveat emptor. Or more modernly: YMMV. I have seen and tried many miraculous sex toys over the years and have seen many of them as a waste of money and plastic. Every industry will do its best to advertise and promote its product, some resort to trickery sometimes; no where is this more evident than the Porn industry.

    Sex sells. Sex and masturbation are powerful drugs and there are those that can become dangerously addicted to them. Simple advertisements of "quick and easy orgasms" can often push products out if people are powerfully drawn to those feelings. And then you open the box and you see this pathetic looking collection of plastic and tubes and realize you're just not horny enough to get aroused by it. And of course being the type of products they are, returning them for restocking is generally not an option.

    So, I've pontificated for a bit and I'll wrap up to a point and hopefully helpful suggestion. What is it that you want to accomplish Kermis? May I humbly suggest that the method chosen thus far is probably going to be ineffectual at solving the core problem. And the core problem? Would I be safe to assume it is a strong feeling of false advertising? That you are being led on in a scam? In this case as in many others, issues aren't solved by being reactive but rather by being proactive. Instigating and fueling (I don't think that was your original intention) a flame war is what I would consider being reactive to the situation.

    My thoughts on being proactive? If I was disappointed by false advertising I would see what I could do to change that. Perhaps emails or better still phone calls to the actual producers of the Aneros. I would see if they are able to divulge their marketing strategy and let you know what ability they have to control advertisement of their product. Perhaps there is a way for the company to revise it's agreement with its resellers that require a more valid description of the process, or at least require a link back to the parent company site. Perhaps it is out of HIH's hands and you need to contact the resellers themselves. I do not know what the solution is and I have a feeling that the battle for attaining true truth in porn advertising could be a long and arduous one. But if you feel real strong about this, why not work to get some advertisement rules changed? However, I don't think you can change peoples opinions that they had "enhanced orgasms" and as such, descriptions of that can and should continue to exist in the forums. If someone truly felt better during orgasm with the Aneros, I am sure their feeling is just as valid as your's is from not having an increase in orgasm quality.

    Being overly reactive tends to breed more reaction, and like the chemists of old, you never truly know what will spring up when combining things together. Hence the erratic drift and tone of this thread. Myself, I can understand your pain and I feel that the advertisements you linked to are rather over-aggrandizing. They felt to me like they were trying to over-hype this new bandwagon so they could get a good jump on it. Frankly I was rather turned off by their descriptions, mostly because it sounded too much like a good thing (instant, no work orgasms). However, their descriptions of the pleasure achievable are correct (from my point of view).

    I do not have the time or inclination to try and change this system; I merely try to keep myself abreast of the way it works so I can understand and hopefully spot falsehoods before I get burned by them. I hope you do not consider me lazy in this regard, it's just right now I have to prioritize other things in my life as more deserving of my attention.

    *Edit: I just read your post detailing scams. And I can agree with your inclination to feel like this is a scam. Along similar lines as I discussed above, how might we all strive towards a solution that helps alleviate this perception?

    I hope I made some sense here. Good luck. Perhaps you can help change the system for the better and allow future customers to hopefully have a more informed set of information.
  • kermis
    Posts: 11
    Thanks for a well-written and thought-provoking post, Mindgasm. You are exactly right that it is the sense of false advertising that has motivated me. The site from which I purchased this neither posted my feedback concerning the product in their "review" section nor responded to any inquiries/comments I sent via email which does indeed reinforce the phase caveat emptor. In short, it seems their efforts were to completely ignore any dissatisfaction on the part of the customer. As for the reseller sites you mentioned, I suppose I should blame myself for allowing any of the grandiose claims found thereon to influence my purchasing decision.

    Money spent (needlessly in my view) on this product is one small factor here; the time spent is of deeper concern. However, adding more time wasted onto the pile with more endeavors to restate my case on this forum won't change anything. I will take my grievances further with the appropriate parties as you suggested. I do not necessarily believe that any site which carries the Aneros will be persuaded to post detailed negative feedback in their testimonials section nor change their advertising to state "Some users have invested great efforts in this to no avail, so please keep in mind you may not see results." However, one has to look at what one can reasonably accomplish, make efforts to do so and then cut one's losses when the time is appropriate. The quote by Nietzsche regarding monsters comes to mind in these scenarios. Thanks once more for your insight.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    To Kermis and all those who have responded to this thread,

    I know that I'm coming into this late and at a time when this is nearing a resolution, but I spent some time last night getting up to speed on what took place here and I have a few observations to make.

    First, it seems that we have a user (Kermis) who really wanted to be heard. Outside of some early responses that were dismissive, there were many thoughtful responses that demonstrated that he was indeed being heard, although perhaps not on his own terms at all times. I think the mistake that was made here, if there was one, was the assumption by many of our members that this was a learning issue, one that could be ameliorated by pointing out different approaches with the device (regarding mindset etc). Where that might have been the case for Kermis at one point, that time had long since passed. All posts that contained attempts at reaching him on this level merely frustrated the situation.

    The reason for this, as I see it, is that this was really a consumer complaint issue from the start. This man had paid good money for the product, put in what he felt was more than adequate time with it, suffered frustration for it and was for all intent and purposes done with trying to learn anything more about it. His first post showed the finality of his decision, he told us that he had discarded the Aneros and even attempted to fend off any help oriented responses by predicting them beforehand.

    As a "consumer issue" certain things need to be stated upfront. First, the marketplace of sexual paraphernalia is somewhat unique. While most manufacturers (outside this arena) use hyperbole to sell their products, with erotic goods, it is the hyperbole itself that is most often sold! Generally, all of the products are the same, it is the packaging and the hype that one is buying. I think that most of you know what I'm talking about, thousands of companies selling the same dildos made decades ago with an evolution of porn starlets on the packaging to draw people in. To be sure, this is not a world of explicit or implicit guarantees and warranties, so I think that any buyer needs to know what he or she is getting into before they invest their time and money in these items. While I would make the distinction that the Aneros is unique in this regard, in that it is new and different and that it does work, it does not stop some people from promoting it the same way they do with the other products in their inventory.

    This question remains however, was the Aneros Forum really the proper place for Kermis to air his grievance? My answer is no and yes, lol. As he bought the Aneros elsewhere and was "misled" by the claims made by a reseller, the ideal place to have broached this would have been the site of the transaction. As others have said, such claims are not made here and we have a forum that contains accounts of users having difficulty with the product on a weekly basis. Although these accounts don't predominate, a cursory review of our forum will give any interested party an idea of the relative satisfaction of a good cross section of users out there. The Poll page in particular contains information that is very specific about the learning curve with the Aneros.

    All of that said, what became clear in one of Kermis' last posts is that he felt like he had no other place to turn to. While I disagree that the Aneros company should be held accountable for everything that goes on at reseller sites, they might have been interested in hearing about it. My sense is that he would have done better to have taken this up with them directly, rather than vent his frustration to a group of users who have no power to impact his concerns anyway.

    As Pan said, we should be big enough as a community to accept this type of criticism. However, by way of a defense of some of those users who responded so vociferously to this thread, this forum has become an oasis from what we like to think of as an unenlightened world. It can be difficult to come here and read disparaging comments about this product and not feel personally challenged by them. But I would say to all, that if we are truly interested in persuading a doubting world into accepting our point of view, we have to be as concerned with our level of communication as with the message itself.

    I am indeed hoping that this matter can be put to rest. It is time for us all to move on.

    Kermis, may you find your way as pleasant.

    BF Mayfield
  • mrbater
    Posts: 43
    Hello Kermis
    Nobody likes to buy a product that doesn't live up to the claims made of it. In fact in Australia it's an offence to make false claims of a product.

    It seems to me though, that your issue is with the company you bought the product from, not HIH or Aneros. If you had bought the device through the Aneros site you would (more than likely) have had a money back guarantee.

    Consider this...
    The fact that Aneros offer a guarantee at all indicates that they have total faith in their products. Secondly, the hundreds of posts on the forum proclaiming the amazing experiences available add great weight to its credentials. After all, you'd have to agree I'm sure, it's unlikely every contributor to this forum is deluded.

    When I purchased my MGX I did so with great scepticism; it's just the way I am unfortunately/fortunately. My 'journey' has been with mixed success, although I rate every session as enjoyable. Plus, in the short time I have had my MGX, while not reaching mind blowing Super-O's yet, I have had from time to time wonderful pleasure from the device. Basically, when it comes to Aneros, I'm a sceptic no more. I'm really looking forward to my future journey.

    I suggest you do as others here have suggested and put it away for a while and calm down. I honestly believe that if you can free yourself from your negative attitude towards Aneros, you will one day learn to enjoy its many and diverse pleasures.

    Cheers mate
    MrBater :)
  • Jaff
    Posts: 4
    Hey Kermis,

    As another positive for you, I think that you could accept from the number of 'good/positive' posts towards you in this discussion, that others in this group care about/feel for your situation! :)
  • Morn
    Posts: 52
    I would just like to add that the site you purchased the device from is not the original Aneros company. What other suppliers say about a product is not the fault of the producer.