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21 day challenge post
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 991
    @Trei,
    Understood! Thanks.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    @isvara The point of the challenge is to get over a 17 day "ejaculatory hangover." Also, I don't see a nocturnal emission as a failure, but the overall experience as great success. I normally go for orgasm, but I am learning to not crave it so much. Also, my body is adjusting to not ejaculating so much. It's not so much the goal, but rather the act that brings success.

    Anyway, I'm on day 3 now, and although my mood seems to be down, (yesterday anyway, might not be as down today) my energy levels seem to be better than they would be normally. Part of this might be from saving energy up that previous 11 days, part of it might be from cultivation through masturbation. I kind of like masturbating again, but rather than edging like before, I try to stay away from the feeling of orgasmic/ejaculatory buildup as much as possible. This way, I believe, I won't be feeling pent up and as though I need to ejaculate. Also, I think it will not cause as much fluid to go into there and make me feel backed up.

    This makes sense to me, since the ejaculatory reflex is triggered by a certain amount of fluid pressure in the prostate.
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 922
    I once went without ejaculating for around 6 weeks, i was single at the time and doing lots of work outs/martial arts etc then i got the offer of a blowjob from an ex and took her up on the offer and when i came it was like blowing 2 loads and 2 orgasms one after the other in her mouth, very nice!
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    Day 18:

    *Body not looking as vibrant as when I was masturbating.

    *When I see sexual things i feel a sort of disconnect with them and I’m generally uninterested in the sexual thing (this has been waxing and waning lately).

    *Libido has dropped considerably and has effected my aneros sessions, i even put my toys away for a while as they where having very little effect on me. I feel as if I lost most of my sexual charge but I still feel sexy.

    *energy levels have astoundingly never gotten to a low point this entire time, it's truly amazing how consistent and stable it is, I like this.

    *Now here is the kicker guys and it is the series of dry wet dreams I’ve been having, early this morning i had a what seemed like an hour and a half long second for second sex orgy in my dream i have never experienced such a consistent non-vague dream in a very long time. Over an hour of sex!

    *This has happened while on masturbation too but lately i've been waking up with my entire body and matress vibrating as if i'm lying in a pool of energy this has happened consistently these passed couple of days.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    @Trei Wow. That's sound's pretty cool. Vivid, dry orgasming orgy dreams?

    Start of day 6.

    I believe I've figured out how to stop the late afternoon drop in energy I usually experience. I've been dieting, so lately I've tried putting off breakfast for a few hours. Instead of that, now I'm having a really big breakfast, waiting as long as I can before having a regular sized lunch, and then light dinner.

    My mood's been pretty consistently "ok" lately. A couple days ago I think I was a bit moody at times, felt like I'd be more content being left alone. But yesterday I enjoyed the company of my friend while we took a walk.

    My libido's been lackluster lately, but then again when hasn't it been? The point here is to get past the hormonal roller coaster of regular ejaculation in order to get to a higher state. One of much higher energy, more libido, and generally more happiness.

    Maybe a couple weeks in my sessions will finally start to take off consistently rather than rarely. Then again, no expectations, but at least I still get to masturbate a little. Even without ejaculation, I believe this provides at least some satisfaction, and raises my libido for a while. Normally I'd feel pressured afterwards to ejaculate, but I feel like I only need to be careful while masturbating so I don't go too close to the edge. Afterwards, I believe the energy cultivated will sometimes produce pleasure waves. I should be past the low point now, so things should slowly get better and better.
  • BigGlansDCBigGlansDC
    Posts: 786
    Trei said:

    Day 18:

    *Body not looking as vibrant as when I was masturbating.

    *When I see sexual things i feel a sort of disconnect with them and I’m generally uninterested in the sexual thing (this has been waxing and waning lately).

    *Libido has dropped considerably and has effected my aneros sessions, i even put my toys away for a while as they where having very little effect on me. I feel as if I lost most of my sexual charge but I still feel sexy.

    *energy levels have astoundingly never gotten to a low point this entire time, it's truly amazing how consistent and stable it is, I like this.

    *Now here is the kicker guys and it is the series of dry wet dreams I’ve been having, early this morning i had a what seemed like an hour and a half long second for second sex orgy in my dream i have never experienced such a consistent non-vague dream in a very long time. Over an hour of sex!

    *This has happened while on masturbation too but lately i've been waking up with my entire body and matress vibrating as if i'm lying in a pool of energy this has happened consistently these passed couple of days.



    Hi @Trei,

    Do not despair in your 21 Day Challenge Journey. You are getting into some serious, yet exciting territory as regards your erotic "dry" wet dreams.

    Same for you, @Jspad.

    Some weeks ago early one morning around 4:30 a.m., I had what felt like a wet dream. The last time I did have some wet dreams was in the early years of my adolescence! I am now 65. But this "wet" dream was filled with delicious, sweet sexual energy. When I awoke, it was only a "dry" wet dream. ;)

    Thom./BigGlansDC
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    Thanks @BigGlansDC that is encouraging.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    I rarely have wet dreams, but they involve an extremely quick buildup to ejaculation. Quick as in a second or two. I have had at least a couple of dreams, since starting practice with Aneros, where I had what felt like a normal ejaculatory orgasm, but when I checked my underwear they were dry.

    From what I have read on 90 day nofap challenge posts, people usually adjust to not ejaculating and wet dreams become less frequent. Luckily, I very rarely have wet dreams to begin with, so hopefully I won't have another accident.
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    @Pommie seems it wasn't removed this time, it usually gets removed from what i've seen in the past.
  • DarkEngineDarkEngine
    Posts: 173
    Haha, didn't notice people were doing a 21-day non-ejaculation challenge.
    I'm doing something similar, difference in that I'm abstaining from anything sexual as a whole - including seeing anything pornographic, personally erotic, using Aneros, touching etc. Think I've done three weeks so far, which is where I was originally the goal, but figured I'll extend it by another two weeks — making a month.

    Mostly to help focus on life, good luck all!
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 991
    @DarkEngine,
    you realise that just visiting this site could be construed as a sexual, (personally erotic), activity?!
  • DarkEngineDarkEngine
    Posts: 173
    Pommie said:@DarkEngine,you realise that just visiting this site could be construed as a sexual, (personally erotic), activity?!You're right, I contradicted myself there! But as you say, it could be! ;P
    I dropped by to try and vent some sexual tension from abstaining. Helps ease the mind, without doing anything to set off the horny vibes. Saying that, yesterday and today my body has decided to just spurt out p-waves seemingly without any provocation. Hell, 30 mins ago the p-waves kicked up a storm, yikes.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 1,123
    @DarkEngine, why just a month?  Why not 2 months? LOL  Isnt anticipation half the fun?  :P
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    Day 21: Challenge Completed.
    I still may not masturbate for some time though.
  • BigGlansDCBigGlansDC
    Posts: 786
    Congratulations, @Trei!

    It would be interesting to hear from you what aftereffects or developments you may have received from this challenge.

    Thom./BigGlansDC
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    Start of day 10.

    Things seem to be going ok all around, plenty of energy throughout the day. Masturbation and edging doesn't seem to make me feel backed up lately, so I must have adjusted pretty well to this. I probably need to be more careful when edging though, I end up going pretty close to the edge. I read somewhere, though, that when you eliminate orgasm as the goal, eventually masturbating starts to feel really nice all around, not just when close to or at the edge.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 991
    @Jspad,
    great to know that you are having success with edging.

    Up to a point, you're right; edging is really all about all about avoiding ejaculating. Ultimately IMHO, edging is aimed at achieving an orgasm WITHOUT ejaculating. Successful edging gets you so close to an orgasm and remaining there for as long as you like, without tipping over the edge into an ejaculation. Much more rewarding than straightforward masturbation to ejac! BTW, avoiding ejaculation does become easier.

    Takes time and plenty of practice though. Keep it up and Good Luck!
  • DarkEngineDarkEngine
    Posts: 173
    ineverknew said:@DarkEngine, why just a month?  Why not 2 months? LOL  Isnt anticipation half the fun?  :P

    Thought about reaching two months max, with this month being the minimum. The whole focus for me is to overcome the lust for orgasms and Aneros, rather than build anticipation; maybe because there's more to life that I should focus on (outside of work too, ofc), and
    orgasms shouldn't be at the centre of it all.

    I only use the device once every few weeks, though, but p-waves & dry-Os I would try to brew almost every day. Besides that, refractory periods would make me feel incredibly fed-up and depressed, albeit briefly, so there's a hint that things needed a switch up.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    @Pommie I know some people can get into orgasm without tipping over the edge, but to me getting that close is scary, and I have to completely stop ALL MOTION and relax my PC muscles to ride out what almost was an ejaculation. With the path I'm taking, the idea is to no longer crave the orgasm, but enjoy everything else. For all I know, orgasms may come from elsewhere, without ejaculation. But in the meantime, I'll just enjoy whatever sexual feelings I get :)

    Day 11.
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 117
    Trei said:

    Day 21: Challenge Completed.
    I still may not masturbate for some time though.



    easy peasy, I once went without masturbating for more than a year, but then maybe I am a no-fap Wunderkind. How about something more challenging like no shitting for a week?
  • PspotsquirterPspotsquirter
    Posts: 467
    @Ehm
    Lol.
  • ineverknewineverknew
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    @DarkEngine, joking aside thats a very admirable reason to abstain.  Good luck.
    @Ehm, wow thats pretty amazing, one year!  I guess anything is possible if you put your mind to it,except for the no shitting thing for a weak. That would probably just make you sick if you could even pull it off LOL.
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    Thanks @BigGlandsDC I have somewhat learned to subvert the horny adrenaline surge but this is worrying me as if i don't know if i keep going on with this will i not be able to get aroused in the future?

    @Ehm Try not masturbating for 23 years : ) Also, before aneros i suffered from severe constipation and have went for an entire week without a BM.

    I've actually been abstaining since before May but i couldn't remember which day it was on so I started from May 1'st. I feel that i have acute control over my horniness as of this moment, but like i said above i hope the situation doesn't reverse and it becomes difficult to become aroused in the future.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 991
    @Jspad,
    seems to me that you have exactly the right approach to this and I love the way you are going with it. If I were you, I'd stop feeling scary when you get close. Eventually, you should be able to remain that close without stopping all motion. Then you will have complete control over when you would like, or not like, to proceed to an ejaculation.

    I believe that Mantak Chia's advice is that we should all have sufficient control over whether we ejaculate or not, is simply a matter of choice and that, as we grow older, we should choose to do it less and less. By practising edging, I am teaching myself just that lesson.

    I agree with you - just enjoy whatever sexual feelings you get whenever you can.
  • techpumptechpump
    Posts: 117
    I did a 15 day challenge and it was very intense.  I played with my cock a lot, even pumped and did PE exercises, got lots of teasing blowjobs from my wife (she loved it so much, the precum omg) and had my best Aneros sessions ever, including my first and still only Super O on Day 8 (to which I wrote a huge post on here back then). But when we could finally have sex (she was on her period, that was playing into the challenge: we were both going to cum together) it wasn't as great as I thought. I was way too overly excited to finally be able to cum, so I could hardly get an erection. She teased me intensely for about 30 minutes leading up to it and I was a solid rock, but as soon as sex came in, I was a softie.  I finally could do it after relaxing and the build up to orgasm felt so unusual and "off" and when I pulled out to cum on her it just poured out, loads of cum, but it didn't feel as powerful and wonderful as I expected. I should've masturbated and made it happen on my own, I think being with her psyched me and my cock out too much. The next day after we got it on and I REALLY came like a supernova, that was the one that felt like I had waited over 2 weeks for!

    I really want to embark on a challenge again. I've been reading this with so much anticipation!!! @Trei are you going to cum and when you do are you going to share it with us all here???
  • TreiTrei
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    @techpump, It doesn't look like I’ll be cumming any time soon. I feel that I have my sexual urge on a leash now, I’ve even managed to will away the dry wet dreams. But if I do cum then I’ll share the experience here I doubt it'll be out of the ordinary for me though.

    My reasons for taking this challenge are very different from others as i want to decrease my sexuality, i know that sounds weird but it's a personal issue.
  • BigGlansDCBigGlansDC
    Posts: 786
    Hi @Trei, I can understand your reasons from pulling back. I just hope you can continue to enjoy the Aneros! ;)

    Thom./BigGlansDC
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    Day 12.

    @Pommie
    It's not that I'm scared when I'm edging, it's just a little bit of a thrill to have to stop when it feels like I've gone over the edge. I do my best to avoid getting that far, and I believe I'm getting more and more used to doing things this way. When close the the edge, I slow down or stop if need be, and although it'd be real easy, I have to try my best not to squeeze my pc muscles, because that ends up making things go fast when I need things to be at a certain pace. Forces me closer to the edge, so I concentrate on relaxing rather than squeezing and knowing when to slow down. It's easy for me to tell how close I am to the edge, and when I need to slow down. I think I may be improving my capacity for keeping the stimulation going, and maybe not as slowly as when starting out.

    Come to think of it, I have a TON of experience edging from back when I'd look at porn and go for an average of 40 minutes. (Then again, back then I'd ejaculate almost daily. Might be why I'd last so long.) That may be why I know so well how close I am and how fast further stimulation will bring me to the edge at different times. The difference is that now I know that it's much easier to keep going if you don't squeeze the pc muscles. It's a bit hard though, and I find it near impossible to not have at least a bit of movement down there when there's practically any stimulation to the head of my penis, but it still helps and I'm probably getting better at it.

    I seem to be stuck again though, as far as Aneros sessions.
    Lately I haven't had many if any p-waves from anywhere. I wonder if maybe it has something to do with my diet lately. It's a bit hard, but I'm losing weight again thanks to a calorie restricted diet. I've had a lot of highs and lows the past several days. I'm hoping my keeping my meals/snacks evenly spaced, that I can avoid the lows, or at least lessen them.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    Nocturnal emission, back to day 1. (is it really nocturnal if it's almost noon?)

    Oh well. I'm just gonna keep on truckin'.
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    Many medical terms use the word "nocturnal". I've always taken issue with that term as it is false and erroneous in many cases.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    True lol

    Technically false, but something that you'd know the meaning of anyway. Is there a word like nocturnal for sleep that would be more suitable?
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    I just searched google and couldn't find any, but where getting off topic here haha.

    P.S.: I think they should just call it sleep emissions or resting emissions or maybe even dream emission.
  • DarkEngineDarkEngine
    Posts: 173
    Jspad said:

    Nocturnal emission, back to day 1. (is it really nocturnal if it's almost noon?)


    Oh well. I'm just gonna keep on truckin'.


    To be fair, aren't nocturnal emissions outside of your control? You didn't consciously demand for it, so it shouldn't set you back imo
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    The chemicals from the orgasms where released, so the challenge for him is null.
    It was probably the edging that brought on the wet dreams.
  • CanacanCanacan
    Posts: 479
    Trei said:

    @techpump, It doesn't look like I’ll be cumming any time soon. I feel that I have my sexual urge on a leash now, I’ve even managed to will away the dry wet dreams. But if I do cum then I’ll share the experience here I doubt it'll be out of the ordinary for me though.

    My reasons for taking this challenge are very different from others as i want to decrease my sexuality, i know that sounds weird but it's a personal issue.



    I sincerely hope you get the desired result.
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    Yes@ Canacan I still haven't masturbated and I now have my urge under strict control, i haven't even used my aneros tools for almost a week and I’ve managed to will away the dry wet dreams and prostate fluid that came out with my urine.  The cause of the fluid was the urge to release.

    I have gotten exactly what i desired out of this challenge but i'm not sure if it is the right choice. I feel that i can, if i wanted to at this point, i could go back to my old ways of no masturbation that resulted from my insensitivity issue due to my botched mandatory birth circumcision.

    I feel as though I’m at a crossroad..
  • rumelrumel
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    Jspad,

    I don't think nocturnal emissions (wet dreams) or spontaneous emissions (oozing or dripping) during the day cause the same hormonal shifts that an induced ejaculatory orgasm causes. I don't have any substantiating data for that speculation and can only judge from my own experiences, so if you experienced such an event I doubt it set you all the back to refractory period status. Occasional spontaneous emissions are not uncommon for men, especially for those suddenly withdrawing from frequent ejaculatory behavior, it's nothing to be concerned about, your body will adjust. It seems to me a spontaneous emission is more like the effects of prostate milking (without orgasm) in that it relieves the immediate fluid pressure within the prostate without triggering the hormonal cascade a full ejaculation causes. This is why prostate milking is used for health maintenance where couples are using tease & (orgasm) denial to heighten arousal and erotic pleasure.
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  • BigGlansDCBigGlansDC
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    Hi @Trei, I agree with @Canacan's sentiments. I want to respect whatever decision you make at your crossroad and the journey ahead for you. ;)

    Thom./BigGlansDC
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    @BigGlansDC Thanks BigGlans it's been really tough lately with me and this sexual issue. You are a good friend.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    Would be at day 4, but I had another nocturnal emission. I hadn't even done any edging since the last emission. Maybe this is how my body is adjusting. Dunno whether to stop trying this or not. At least my body is ejaculating according to it's own schedule I guess.
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 922
    when you guys have a nocturnal emission, do you notice you're doing so? if you do do you find that the orgasm is absolutely amazing? i had one last night and it was a super orgasm, perhaps not a prostate one but one that i find hard to believe can be topped. ever.
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 246
    In the past when I had wet dreams the orgasm was always very powerful i'd always awaken as it started or a little after. It usually occurred when i was doing something sexual in a dream. But I only had them about once every other month to three months.

  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    I'm back, went on a trip on Thursday to attend a wedding :)

    also back to day 1, another nocturnal emission. For me, nocturnal emissions always involve an extremely quick buildup to an orgasm that's not so great. I'm thinking about starting small, like two or three days before purposefully ejaculating, then going one day longer at a time.
  • isvaraisvara
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    @Jspad........ "I'd give my eye teeth for a nocturnal emission, well, one at least". ......
  • BigGlansDCBigGlansDC
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    Guys, I haven't had a bona fide wet dream in years, at least since my adolescent years! But it doesn't bother me now since I have found Aneros! ;)
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    I personally find wet dreams to start and end within seconds, and that the orgasm is not very good, but then again, everyone is different. Interestingly enough, I in my sleep last night I think I half consciously said no to penile stimulation, since I'd ejaculate, and ended up with someone licking my butt instead. Felt kinda nice if I remember correctly, though nothing big. Still, kind of interesting as I kind of like the idea of at least once getting a rimjob :) I'm sure most of you can sympathize.

    Anyway, I'm wondering if maybe the wet dreams were from the lack of stimulation over the past week or so. I wasn't masturbating at all as I wasn't feeling all that sexual, and during my trip I didn't have an appropriate opportunity. I'm going to make sure to masturbate regularly without ejaculation and see what happens. I'm thinking once every couple of days. I'm also going to see if I can manage going 40 minutes at a time like I did a few hours ago. I made it about 20 minutes before needing to slow down, and the last 10 minutes were when I needed to be careful. I kept my breaths slow and deep, and that had to have helped quite a bit. Last night I masturbated to ejaculation to let my brain know that it's getting stimulation without dreams, and the orgasm felt superb, but today's session wasn't so much about stimulation as it was about cultivation. I didn't even feel like looking up porn. The idea was to breathe slowly, pace myself, and keep going as continuously as I could without going over the edge. I'm feeling a nice thing or two occasionally after that, and I'm glad I still have that "don't need to finish to be satisfied" mindset. I still feel a little sleepy though, maybe the hard time I had sleeping during the trip is still effecting me a bit. At least now that I'm home I can take a nap or sleep in.
  • JspadJspad
    Posts: 170
    Day 3

    Since edging last night, I've felt quite a few nice sexual feelings in many areas. Not too much else to comment on at the moment. I'm going to keep doing the challenge normally, and perhaps if I have problems again I'll consider starting out a few days at a time and slowly building up to 21 days.
  • JspadJspad
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    Day 1 again

    Last night the pressure in the pelvic area got to me. I ejaculated to relieve the pressure. Not sure how to go about things now. Maybe I should take things very slowly? Edging for only a few minutes at first, and only going for a few days without ejaculating? Maybe my body will have more time to adjust and the pressure will not be such a hassle. Or maybe that just happens if I edge. Maybe I shouldn't edge without ejaculating anymore. Maybe I've been edging too long and should go for shorter times at first.

    I need more time to experiment and see what works and what doesn't. I'm thinking about edging for 10 minutes at a time at first, and ejaculating after 4 or 5 days and building up from there. Even if my body won't adjust to where the pressure doesn't get to me, maybe I'll find out where my limit is before experiencing that pressure.
  • TreiTrei
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    That sounds tricky with the pressure and all, it's like your body is making you build up ejaculate but can't push it all the way out unless you do it manually or let your guard down i.e. sleep. Maybe your subconsciously pinning for a release and pushing these fluids outward during the day, i'd practice holding in the ejaculate even while not edging.

    Anyways since i've stopped masturbating my body has went into full rebellion mode, in the last week I had my first nipple orgasm (and it was powerful), my first throat gasm (this was very very strange), a wet dream, powerful p~waves all over and a series of sexual related coincidences. All of this was involuntary and i actually tried to stop them but the feelings just grew stronger and stronger.

    The flames of my body's rebellion has died down for now but it really blew me out of this world and was enough to put me back on the fence. My body’s aroma has changed as well as my appearance I can tell that abstaining is likely having a negative impact on me.

    Despite this, I’m still in abstain mode (also from aneros) just because I don't know what else to do at this point. I thought i had it locked down but then my body flipped out on me.
  • CanacanCanacan
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    @Trei I feel for you. Would you wan't to start a different thread where we can talk these issues in general and how to lower arousal or deal with high arousal? These thread here is mainly about rising it. Both valid, useful but totally contradictory subjects.

    I give you the example that prompted my reaction. Wouldn't some interspaced traditional masturbation be actually useful for your goal (considering you really do it traditional, which since rewiring is becoming increasingly difficult for me)? What about the chemistry? Are there some natural products or activities that would reduce muscle twitching in this area and or excessive hormones? I know some meds do it for the muscles, such as meds based on Phloroglucinol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phloroglucinol) or Mephenesin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephenesin). I am pretty clueless on the subject of hormones.