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Safe Way to Use the Progasm
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    I need some advice on how to use my Progasm. I used it for the first time today. First I used one entire package of Marksman lube in my anal canal. Comparing the size of the Progasm to my MGX I thought how will I ever get this inside me as its so much thicker and longer too. I then coated the Progasm liberally with lube. I started to insert the Progasm and found it just wasn't going in. I then decided to use my finger in and out several times. I tried again gradually while bearing down and still couldn't do it. I lubed it up so more and used my finger a few more times. I pushed a little harder this time (slightly painful) and it got in to the first bump and then after pushing it in a little more it got pulled in all the way. I then rolled over on my back and put a pillow under my butt. Just as I tried to relax I started to get contractions of my sphincter muscle that not matter what I did trying to relax just built up more and more and once again led to a big wet orgasm while I was flaccid. I must admit it felt really good and didn't hurt at all to orgasm and cum a lot.

    Next came the task of getting up and going to the bathroom to remove the Progasm. It took a little more effort to get the Progasm out than the MGX but it came out nice and clean. Right away I felt very warm at my anus and I knew what that meant. I wiped and sure enough, blood on the paper. It dried up after about an hour. I'll have to give it a week or more before I try using the Progasm again. How can I insert the Progasm more easily next time? What's the best method of doing so? Should I have used the MGX first to stretch things out? I've had no bleeding at all using the MGX.I would really appreciate any thoughts and advice on this. Thanks in advance for any and all help from Progasm users.
  • hulahula
    Posts: 212
    I think that you should use the Mgx to stretch things out.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Hey. Try a hot shower or bath that will relax and soothe the anal area much as a sitz bath would. Prior to insertion, really relax and use your finger to massage your sphincter in circular motions. Then slowly insert the Progasm with a scooping curved motion that somewhat follows the contour of the first hump and pause before gently easing the second hump inside. If you are new to prostate massage with the Aneros products, you may wish to spend some weeks toning the anal muscles tissues with one of the medium sized massagers before attempting to use the larger sized Progasm again.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Hi RT,
    Some tips from a guy who was very slow getting close and personal with Progasm:

    I'm not a fan of Vaseline but, gave in to using it on my anus to get going with Progasm. Once you get relaxed and elastic with Progasm, I'd suggest quitting the Vaseline as it caused me an 'ejection' problem. (as well as being a real clean-up nuisance and I believe it kills some of the sensations that I like)

    Remember to 'open' your anus by 'pushing' outward during insertion of the head -- 'scoot' your anus out and around the Progasm then suck it inward. Then proceed with the scooping insertion as covered by slimjim.

    I use a three step insertion. Just the head, then remove it. Then a complete 'scooping' insertion, a couple of contractions to distribute lube and a removal. Third insertion is a winner.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    the progasm is my favorite, but I can't start out with it. every time I try to use it first i get quite a bit of pain when I put it in and have to remove it
    this is never the case if I start off with a smaller model and work up to the progasm. I almost always start with my mgx then go to either the eupho or helix and then on to the progasm.
    I would be sure that this method must stretch out and relax the asshole/spincter
    here's a tip that works well for me.... when I go to the progasm, I only insert it part way (just over the first hump) I put a pillow behind the k tab so it will keep the porgasm from falling out (most times it stays in place without, but I find that when things are heating up, it sometimes pops out)
    this will usually bring more intense waves this way then when I push it in all the way. I will keep it in part way for as long as the waves are strong and when they die down, I push it in all the way and off we go again. It's like two models in one
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Hey, RogerT. Had another thought that might be worth exploring. If you've had hemorrhoids like I have or for other health reasons have modified your diet or taken supplements to have looser, more comfortable stools, though that's great for colon health, it's possible over the years to lose some of the elasticity and tone your anus had when you used to regularly pass full sized formed stools, like for instance when you were a teenager and passed some so large you enjoyed showing 'em off.

    Although some of that naturally comes with aging, I've medically seen some extreme cases, for example, where elderly little ladies took daily laxatives to maintain passage of fluid stools which resulted over the years in such anal stenosis they couldn't even have a digital rectal exam performed. Obviously that extreme wouldn't be applicable to the situation of someone having initial difficulty accommodating a Progasm, but the illustration may serve to help make a point, that being that gradually toning the anal muscles and tissues initially with the smaller to medium sized massagers, perhaps even for a number of weeks, will later permit the Progasm to be used comfortably and without inflaming hemorrhoids or tearing an anal fissure, the latter being doubtlessly what you did.

    At any rate, once you reach the stage of using the Progasm as I later did, the improved anal tone and elasticity at that point helps make routine bowel habits so much more comfortable and free of inflaming hemorrhoids or tearing fissures that they're a pleasure once again.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Another tip: Join and check out the Progasm Users group.

    Link: -- http://www.aneros.com/forum/groups/progasm-users/ --
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    Thanks everyone for all of the great replies and advice. I'm a little sore today, but no bleeding even after a good sized BM. I'm going to let everything heal up well and then hopefully try using the MGX this weekend. Once I feel comfortable, I'll try using the Progasm very slowly applying all of the suggestions given here. I'm going to check out the Progasm forum too. Thanks again for all of the help and advice, you guys are the best!!! :-)
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    I used the MGX with the wife last night and it was just plain incredible with no bleeding or problems at all when the MGX was removed. Has anyone here tried using the Progasm in while having intercourse? Just wondering how that might work when I'm up to using this again.
  • tokertoker
    Posts: 128
    i would wait a little longer to make sure your all healed up then i would douche or whatever your prep then pre lube then lube up your mgx i use the eupho get things going till your nice and relaxed then slowly pull out your mgx then lube up the progasm pref with silicone lube but any old lube will do then insert the head at an angle the base towards your balls then in a scooping motion slowly push it in while straitening the angle imagine its a banana shape the second bump is big so try to relax and bob's your uncle
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    [QUOTE=toker;92760]i would wait a little longer to make sure your all healed up then i would douche or whatever your prep then pre lube then lube up your mgx i use the eupho get things going till your nice and relaxed then slowly pull out your mgx then lube up the progasm pref with silicone lube but any old lube will do then insert the head at an angle the base towards your balls then in a scooping motion slowly push it in while straitening the angle imagine its a banana shape the second bump is big so try to relax and bob's your uncle

    Toker - Thanks for the great advice. BTW, Bob is not my uncle. :-)
  • I give myself a warm enema sometimes, follow by a warm shower to clean up. I'll finger myself to relax my sphinxter then insert a syringe with lube, the progasm slides in easily
  • pnomanpnoman
    Posts: 145
    I have come to absolutely hate the progasm. I think not because of it's size but because of it's shape. I've always had difficulty removing it. (You need to tilt it towards your belly button on insertion and removal to follow it's natural contours) I HIGHLY suggest the maximus- it's comparable to the progasm in size (it's a little bit smaller)- but you do get a fuller feeling and in my opinion more mobility. I think my body is just not built for the progasm.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Here's a 'project' for newcomers to Progasm.

    Last month I reviewed some of the early (2005) experiences guys had with Progasm and the methods they adopted. These are in -- http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-next-gen-progasm-reviewed-9697/index7.html -- Look particularly at posts between #38 and #45. B.F. Mayfield, hlaser99, pan, and tripper all contribute some astute observations and unconventional approaches to Progasm. Part of hlaser99's session involved extended and comparative play with the K-tab forward. After reading his post I decided to duplicate it.

    Two nights ago I was completing a two day 'green-fast' that I do every two months. (no meat or dairy for two days -- just some fruit, veggies and 'green' drinks out of a juicer.) To allow for a solid 4+ hour session I finished with a complete colon cleanse which left little in there, particularly, no gas. I restored my bod with some Gatorade and waited about 90 minutes to pee out most of the residual fluid i was carrying. Sipped Gatorade during the session and only had to pee during a planned break.

    Aside from using Shea+Coconut lube, inside, out and on the tool instead of the lubes popular 5 years ago I followed hlaser99's session as accurately as I could reconstruct. Took a 20 minute break, did a partial relube and did my usual meditate/relaxation routine that I'd use with Helix or Eupho. Very promising dry-Os but fatigue nailed the session before I could generate enough energy to get a visit from a big one. I didn't find a body position/posture that gave me the degree of mobility I get from Helix and Eupho, particularly with the Progasm inserted backward. (IOW, Progasm doesn't move as freely with my breathing as do the smaller tools) I'll probably try this again in a couple of months.

    Sigh .... so many tools, such little time.

    P.S. Just read pnoman's comment ..... Yeah, I'm anohter guy who's a near perfect fit for Maximus. Pops into all the right spots, stays there, does it's job and is easy to remove.
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    Thanks again guys for all of the great replies! I just love this place. Everyone is so helpful and willing to help out and share. :-)

    What would everyone here recommend as my next Aneros which would be in between size wise to my MGX and the Progasm (Beast)? The Helix or the Maximus or something else. Thanks again people. ;-)
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    I tried using the Progasm again this week with the KY Intimate Jelly. I used the MGX first and then carefully and very slowly like scooping ice cream I got it in (hurt just a little). The same thing happened again within a minute. My sphincter muscle started contracting like crazy. I tried to relax and do deep breathing, but I just couldn't stop it and I had another wet orgasm. I wonder why that happened twice now with this Aneros and not the MGX anymore?
  • MyTurn
    Posts: 447
    You must, must, must use scooping action (see the WIKI), and go very, very slowly. If it takes 10 mins to get in, so be it.
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    [QUOTE=MyTurn;93057]You must, must, must use scooping action (see the WIKI), and go very, very slowly. If it takes 10 mins to get in, so be it.

    MyTurn - Thanks for the advice. I'll go much slower next time.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello RogerT, :)

    I hate to ask the obvious but...

    Are you absolutely sure there is no stimulation occurring on your penis, even the slightest, during these Aneros sessions? I ask because I went through something similar but not anywhere near as quick early on in my journey. Where I was using the laying on my side position with top leg raised a bit. Basically the end of my penis was very lightly rubbing against the bed without me noticing it. So eventually I'd end up having a super-T. (Traditional wet orgasm with Aneros inserted). Try laying on your back with your knees raised if this is the issue.

    If not, then stick with the MGX for a while. As you definitely do not want to train yourself to have instant wet orgasms from Aneros insertion.

    Love_is
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    Well I used the Progasm with the wife last night for the first time. I took a 10 minute hot sitz bath first after doing a rectal rinse. I then used lots of the KY Sensitive Gel and inserted the MGX and worked it in and out quite a few times. Then I lubed up the beast and very slowly and gradually got it in with no wet orgasm this time. We had great sex with lots of mini orgasms and when I finally ejaculated it wasn't all that great. It felt like I was blocked up and couldnt flow freely which happened the first time I used the MGX some weeks ago as I remember. Maybe the Progasm just wont be as good for use in intercourse as the MGX. Perhaps I should get a Helix instead?
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Suggest hold off getting another tool until you've ruled out lube and technique issues with the Progasm. Remember that approaching PONR you're moving the Progasm and that's putting pressure on the Prostate. Once you cross into ejac you should be easing off on the Progasm so that the prostate is free to pump, sucking in semen, mixing in it's juice and squeezing the whole wad out. Lube might also be a factor in allowing the Prostate to "shove" the Progasm out of the way.

    With bph, I find it's a tight squeeze for even the MGX or Helix to allow a free release. SGX and Peridise work fine though. I cut the tail from the SGX to allow enough travel to get good prostate stim during foreplay and copulation. When released it frees up the prostate sufficient for a clean shot.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello again RogerT, :)

    I agree with rook to hold off on buying another Aneros. You have to remember that for most men this is something that takes time and practice to realize pleasurable results, let alone super-O's. Buying a new model won't necessarily suddenly change what you are experiencing now. I recommend you work with the models you have for a few months before buying a new one.

    As far as your ejaculatory orgasm during sex not being that great, I wouldn't worry about it. One thing you'll eventually learn in your Aneros journey is the difference between an erection and what I like to call "true arousal", which is when the prostate is aroused. I've had many super-T's (traditional ejaculatory orgasm with Aneros inserted) that left much to be desired in terms of pleasure. This is what happens when you are not truly aroused. Meaning your prostate is not aroused and sensitive. But when it is... Oh boy! Good times! :D I've used my Progasm during intercourse and have enjoyed it very much. So I can't imagine it would be a problem for you assuming you are not having any discomfort. Although my past experience of Aneros during intercourse is that there is so much stimulation going on for my prostate, anus, and penis, that I tend to ejaculate much quicker. Which may not be a desired goal. LOL

    Love_is
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,602
    Roger T --- sorry if this post falls into the TMI category or encroaches too far into your marital bower.

    One other thought about the 'clearest' shot/release during ejac: I instinctively 'drive home' following PONR. (Unlike some guys, I've never been in a relationship where I had to consider 'pulling out' at PONR.)

    If you're using a 'homing thrust,' check for a possible butt squeeze that's happening at the same time. With my gluts that acts like an anal contraction and shoves the Aneros further up my canal. Nice goose but that might be what's blocking our release with larger tools like Progasm.

    The tailless SGX doesn't have anything below the stem for my gluts to shove on. Perhaps that's why I get an easy release with it.
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    Thanks Rook and Love_is for the replies. I'll hold off on getting another Aneros for the time being. In using both the MGX and now the Progasm, I've let me wife be on top as I found that when using the MGX with me on top it wasn't nearly as pleasurable. I did use quite a bit of the KY Sensitive Jelly to make sure I had no insertion problems with the Progasm at all. I guess I'll just give it more time and try to relax more with the Progasm in the next time around. :-)