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Can't seem to get past p waves
  • strugglerstruggler
    Posts: 43
    I've gotten p waves on several occasions with both my Progasm and Helix (although more often with the Progasm). I get better results when I'm laying on my side, although I find laying on my back to be more comfortable. I can't seem to get beyond this point of the "journey." It seems that one of the keys to progression is to have both involuntary contractions with p-waves. The problem is, I don't get involuntaries often, and when I do, it's when I'm on my back, not my side. Obviously, I can't combine the two and be on my side and back at the same time. What should I do?
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    how long have you been practicing? I don't feel there is any secret to progress - just time and proper techniques.
    I was at that stage for some time and then I guess my body decided it was time to kick it up a notch. what helps me during my best sessions are starting out in the right frame of mind, which for me involves a bit of smoke, and nipple play during a session
  • strugglerstruggler
    Posts: 43
    About 16 months
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Struggler, :)

    Your in good company. I'm a longterm grinder of 3 years and almost 5 months that has yet to achieve super-O's. Thhn has been there also, but it looks like from his recent thread that he may have just crossed over recently. When I read this sort request for help in getting further progression, I pickup on what I interpret as desperation in wanting to achieve the goal of super orgasms, which I personally believe hinders your progress way more than helping it. If you can find a way to detach yourself from the goal, release any expectations, and just allow things to be in your sessions, it's a much better state of mind for furthering progress.

    In my own opinion, time and experience through regular practice, ejaculation abstinence, and experimentation of techniques and positions within the session is what eventually moves you forward on the journey. Sometimes a different Aneros model helps if you only own one. But I certainly don't condone buying more things to move you forward. It's just a possibility.

    Love_is
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    I will have to agree that Love_is is right on the money here. you cannot make it happen - just put in your time and it will happen when it is ready to happen. Learn to enjoy what you have right now as if there is nothing more. Maybe not the answer you wanted to hear but none the less, that is the answer. I am a grinder as well and although I have made continued progress, I am yet to have a super O. It will soon be three years for me, and I don't regret a single minute spent on aneros sessions. It has become more of a lifestyle for me than a quick fix or fast orgasm
  • strugglerstruggler
    Posts: 43
    I was anticipating that response, and I appreciate the help. But let's be honest here...we read about how this little device can deliver the most incredible, life-affirming extended orgasms we've ever had. How can we, as men, be expected to file that kind of promise away, and instead lay there in the moment of minimal sensations?? We all know that the super O is why so many of us, myself included, are determined to stick with this subtle process. It's asking a lot to not think about this promise of ecstasy. The well has already been poisoned. I have a hard time believing that those who have achieved the super O were not thinking about the goal just a little.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    I can't argue with your reply. I think about the super O on every session and of course that is my ultimate goal as well. Some are lucky and it happens right out of the box and then there is guys like you and me.
    I think the point of my repsonse is that there is no magic trick that has been witheld on you.
    Maybe your next session will give you a super O? Maybe it will be next year.
    I guess it's a lot like religion..... have faith for the promised land. There are plenty of folks who buy that one
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    struggler,

    Attitude and expectations play a large role in all human activities, so it is with Aneros usage. It is indeed natural to speculate about what a particular experience will 'feel like', but it is not particularly useful. Whatever you thought it would be like is usually not the case, the differences between our expectations and our actualities can be quite varied.

    "It's asking a lot to not think about this promise of ecstasy." First off, you are setting yourself up for frustration by thinking there is a "promise"involved in any of this activity, there is NO "promise", there is only the possibility. This is a huge attitudinal difference. Your very next sentence, "The well has already been poisoned.", points to how you are negatively viewing your approach. Reframing that statement may go a long way toward improving your attitude and progress, perhaps the well isn't poisoned at all but has been 'flavored' with hints of richer delights from deeper sources, sources you have yet to tap.

    Western society has taught men to be very goal oriented and our technological progress as a result of this approach has been astounding, however, this approach does not work well in the realm of human emotions and feelings. It is often difficult, if not impossible, to objectively deal with such subjective matter, thus setting goals and trying to establish an objective route to accomplishing those goals may all go for naught. Getting to a Super-O is somewhat akin to trying to get someone to love you, some guys get a Super-O right out of the box (love at first sight), other guys may spend years refining their techniques to get to a Super-O (long courtships and wooing tactics) and still others just have it occur during their usual enjoyment sessions (dating changes to mating). How it occurs for you is an individual circumstance but the essential point here is you can't force a Super-O to occur anymore than you can force someone to love you.

    The mythology of the Super-O is also a potential blockage for many men. After reading the 'hype', after reading the testimonials, after imagining and fantasizing, you may find you've built the Super-O into an unobtainable experience within your mind. This is where expectations have such a devastating effect, as they undermine your confidence and undervalue your experience. I would encourage you to read 'Buster's thread "What exactly is a Super O?" and The Super-O definition in the Aneros WIKI. I believe many men have already experienced Super-O's but are unable to acknowledge that fact because they are holding false notions of what a Super-O should be for them. If you have never had one before, how would you know what your Super-O will feel like?

    There is a certain reluctance to fully acknowledge our sensual accomplishments as we tend to compare our experiences with those of others. This, IMHO, is counterproductive, your feelings and your orgasms are every bit as significant as any other person's. Their intensity will naturally vary from time to time, just as it does for all of us. The point I'm trying to make here is that your Super-O will be unique for you, it will happen when your body and mind are ready for the experience and you can not force it to happen by physical or mental coercion.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 733
    Gentlemen,

    Although my experience would be assessed as pretty limited, from what I have learned so far, I agree with everything that rumel has said above.

    I would like to offer the following additional points. I suspect that just as some men may experience a Super-O without recognising it as such, I am also sure that some who have reported having a Super-O, (especially during their very first session with Aneros), may well have mis-identified an anal orgasm or even a mini-O. This might explain why some men seem to experience what they believe to have been a Super-O, only to be disappointed when they seem unable to return to that state easily.

    As rumel suggests, a Super-O seems to be such an individual experience that it becomes quite difficult to define. I believe that to be confirmed by Buster’s thread http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/what-exactly-super-o-11798/ which was eluded to by rumel above.

    I am still sure that I have not yet experienced a Super-O, although for a while I was sure I had actually received one. On the face of it, that might seem to be somewhat discouraging. On the contrary, it creates a sense of anticipation that something extraordinary just might happen during my next session. I think I have now reached a position in which by far the majority of my sessions do produce a period of at least half an hour of near orgasm sensation, but there is still the promise that one night I might just tip over the edge when I least expect it. The important thing for me is that when it does happen it will be a total surprise. Meanwhile, I can simply enjoy what is on offer for the present.

    Meanwhile, I look forward to the prospect of making my contribution to the sticky “My First Super Orgasm…”!

    Pommie
  • strugglerstruggler
    Posts: 43
    Can't say I like the dissection of my word choice, but I see your point...partially. I realize that I'm bringing some negative emotions into this. I wouldn't have made the thread if I didn't have any. However, what I'm basically reading is "well, you may have had a super O and it wasn't as great as you expected." I may be misinterpreting. I do know that I haven't felt anything that has surpassed a traditional ejaculation...whether it be in the anus, prostate, etc.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 733
    Struggler,

    I sympathise with your feelings and would like to think that the negative emotions are but a passing phase. Even if you have experienced a Super-O and it didn’t surpass your expectations, you have to admit it was different from a traditional ejaculatory orgasm.

    In fact the whole Aneros experience is different from traditional penile sexual experience. For that alone, I am glad I stumbled on this field of activity.

    Stick at it. I think you may yet be in for a surprise!

    Pommie
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    struggler,

    I'm sorry if my frank appraisal of your post offended you, that was not my intent. I was hoping to ease the frustration you are obviously feeling about your experience not matching your expectation of 'the experience'. If I could wave a magic wand and temporarily erase your memories of traditional ejaculatory orgasms, I would do so. Those memories are part of a long established penile based response pattern which is not quite analogous to a prostate based stimulus-response pattern. The differences can make learning the new response pattern problematic as we tend to draw our responses based upon our previous experience.

    Perhaps it would help if you were to drop the term "Super-O" and instead use the term originally coined by the Aneros company of "Dream Orgasm". It also may help to consider the factors which you 'think' constitute an orgasm that surpasses "a traditional ejaculation." It should be obvious that ejaculation (and the associated 10-15 seconds of pleasure therewith) should not be part of the comparison as the "Dream Orgasm" is a non-ejaculatory event. Once you take ejaculation out as a factor then you can do some real comparisons between different source points of orgasm be it penile, nipple, testicle, anal, prostate or other.

    I often get the impression from reading new user's posts they think the Super-O should be an extended ejaculation lasting for minutes at a time, this is not likely to happen. What is likely to occur as part of a "Dream Orgasm" is generation of time extended pulses or waves of pleasure which suffuse the entire body, sometimes accompanied by involuntary muscle spasms in various parts of the body, not just the pelvic area. Of course one may experience ejaculation like contractions of the penis, anus and prostate as well. These may occur for a few minutes or may cycle repeatedly for an hour or more. You are already experiencing many of these facets, I suspect if you were to simply indulge yourself in enjoying the pleasures you are now regularly experiencing, without expecting more, you may find a deeper level of pleasure to be had and the "Dream Orgasm" will envelope you.