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Sensations without an Aneros
  • So I had a minor breakthrough last night. I've had a super-o before but only when under the influence. Last night I was playing around with waves (without an Aneros) and things got more intense than usual. I started having consistent involuntaries and the feeling like you are cumming (even though you're not). I'd had this before to a degree but this was more intense, more consistent and more under control. I didn't feel like I was going to lose these feelings; I could intensify or bring myself down for a while then build back up. In the past the peaks had been sporadic and wild; this time the peak was steady and sustainable.

    Anyway, aside from the progress update nobody wanted, I have a question:

    The "journey" is partly about reversing the mindset that the penis is the be-all, end-all of pleasure for a man. A large part of the instructions here focus on avoiding erections (at least until a certain stage), avoiding touching the penis in any way and basically being hands-off (until the end if need be).

    As we get re-wired we start to be able to conjure up these sensations without an Aneros.

    So why is it that the aneros-free part of the journey seems to be so linked to the penis? We've gone through a whole re-wiring, yet if I don't have an Aneros inside, my cock immediately wants to get involved. Am I alone in this? I don't believe I am as I often see people talk about having dry orgasms thanks to playing with some waves.

    Is there a way to suppress the penis involvement to get to a higher level without the aneros inside? Or is the dry-O pretty much the ceiling when it comes to having nothing inside? The WIKI says, "... makes the non-ejaculatory orgasm occur. You may even have the “anal involuntaries” with this experience. " So is that the limit? Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining (it's awesome), I'm just curious what's possible.

    Incidentally I think a lot of this progress to the next step was thanks to the Peridise. It really helps you focus on creating involuntaries and helped me get this mini-breakthrough. Sleeping with it in one night also helped (woke up and involuntaries were fast and furious -- only drawback is that I was WAY too tired to cross over into a super-o but it was still fantastic).
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,265
    RTGoose,

    Congratulations on your breakthrough, it sounds like you were experiencing chair orgasms.

    There may be some confusion about “… instructions here focus on avoiding erections…”, it is not focus on avoiding erections, it is about avoiding penile stimulation. Aneros use may or may not cause erections to occur. IMHO, we should allow them to occur as a natural part of our sexual response system.
    The admonition for avoiding penile stimulation, as I understand it, is intended to break a conditioned response pattern built up from years of traditional masturbation leading to ejaculatory related orgasms. Since Aneros use involves a very gentle massage action, the initial sensations produced in the early learning stages are quite subtle. Penile stimulation during this time of learning can easily overwhelm these subtler sensations to the point of making them undetectable. It is in the interest of teaching ourselves to tune into these subtle sensations that penile stimulation is to be avoided and allow us to learn these alternate pleasure paths to orgasm.

    I don’t think one needs to suppress anything here, in terms of bodily response, and this includes erections. Once you are sufficiently rewired to be able to separate the various stimulus response patterns, you then have the flexibility to add penile stimulation back into the mix.

    As far as “limits” go, I think we create the “limits” in our minds. IMHO, there are NO LIMITS to how far your mind can take you on this journey.
  • Also keep in mind that each of us is different. Somehow when they rewired me the wires got crossed. I found myself only able to have super o's if there was gentle pressure on the corona of my penis. Not friction or stimulation, but having something pressing against it gently. This has launched me into super o's with and without an aneros. Some of the best ones I have had have been when I am spooning with my wife and I am nestled in between her cheeks. In fact all I have to do is nestle myself in the groove so to speak and without an thought or effort on my part the involuntaries just happen leading to a super o. When these happen it is like riding on a tobaggan ...I try to steer it but really its just happening and you are along for the ride.

    Also ...I can be rock hard when I am starting a session (with or without my A), but as soon as the good feelings start I go soft. When the super o's start I am semi soft or soft; pressure is still there and I don't ejaculate. Go figure.

    What itr all boils down to is experimrent and see what works for you. What is the worst thing that you can loose? Maybe a load of cum. Not much for the fun and effort.
  • Thanks for both of your responses.

    Rumel - Yeah I did phrase the erection part poorly although I hadn't considered the idea that after re-wiring the penis is more "in-play" than it was when I was really learning the ropes.

    Bigguy - Interesting to hear about being able to have super o's without. I may have read about this here in the past but kind of ignored it (when you can't have super o's with an aneros you're not too concerned with being able to muster them out of thin air) but that's a concept I'm eager to explore.

    Is she asleep when you're spooning her? Don't you wake her up? ;)

    FWIW I had my first (non-high) Super O last night. Might go back in and edit the "first super o" post I made a while back.

    This was my fourth night in a row of using an aneros. Not saying it happened because of that (may have been despite) but it was just funny to me when in the past I've been so disciplined to always have those rest days.

    You know what may have helped is that, since I was just experimenting, the pressure was off. It wasn't "okay I've been saving up semen for a week and haven't used my aneros for a while and I've been taking my fish oil so now I'm going to shower and lube and have a big session" and that puts a little bit of pressure on that session (even if just subconsciously).

    So true (and I've read it so many times on here) that it happens when you don't obsess on it too much.
  • OH NO, GIRL IN THE ROOM!!!! Everyone decent? ha-ha.

    I have a question for you guys. I see that a lot of men who are experiencing "Super O's" are going soft or are soft when achieving this higher level of orgasm. I notice that some of you mention that just the touch of your S.O/wife/gf...whatever, will set you off, but yet you do not maintain an erection throughout your super O. Is that common? Can you experience and Aneros "free" Super orgasm with your partner? Quite frankly, that's one reason why I purchased the Aneros. I would like to experience it WITH Jim. When I say WITH, I mean during sex. If I never do, that's ok too. After all, this is about HIS pleasure...not mine!!!

    Thanks everyone!!!
  • lynn2694 said:

    OH NO, GIRL IN THE ROOM!!!! Everyone decent? ha-ha.

    I have a question for you guys. I see that a lot of men who are experiencing "Super O's" are going soft or are soft when achieving this higher level of orgasm. I notice that some of you mention that just the touch of your S.O/wife/gf...whatever, will set you off, but yet you do not maintain an erection throughout your super O. Is that common? Can you experience and Aneros "free" Super orgasm with your partner? Quite frankly, that's one reason why I purchased the Aneros. I would like to experience it WITH Jim. When I say WITH, I mean during sex. If I never do, that's ok too. After all, this is about HIS pleasure...not mine!!!

    Thanks everyone!!!



    I'm usually soft during BUT if stimulated it will get hard and can be used (to amazing, amazing results).

    The usual MO for us is to have a few super-o's (during which I might be soft and my wife is usually masturbating) and then start some mutual play, get hard, and have sex (while I'm still having super-o's).

    I would suggest that he needs to reach the super-o prior to any sustained sex (aside from light non penis foreplay) and then once he's off then anything is in play.

    I don't know if anyone who can get to a super-o while also having sex (that kind of multi-tasking is beyond me) although it may be possible. However once you "cross over" then you can have sex and it doesn't stop the super-o's at all.
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    Hello Lynn
    As your man rewires himself eventually yes he'll become multi orgasmic during intercourse with you. It's taken me some time but eventually I finally had a breakthrough a couple weeks ago where I spent about 45 minutes having multiple orgasms while having sex with my GF with no aneros inserted. I've actually stopped using the aneros because I feel I can achieve greater results now with out it though I think I'm going to give it another spin soon since it's been awhile to see how my body reacts to it.
  • ffd71
    Posts: 93
    lynn2694 said:



    If I never do, that's ok too. After all, this is about HIS pleasure...not mine!!!



    WOW, Jim should be proud of this type attitude!!! There are not many women out there that would be concerned about "HIS" pleasure.
  • lynn2694lynn2694
    Posts: 96
    Thanks, he does love that. However, he's very much the same way. We've become very giving to each other...and it's made us stronger too.