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  • breonyx
    Posts: 19
    Hello,

    I have noticed the aneros is more effective when ejaculation has not occured for 3 or 4 days or more. I can imagine how the physics of it might work. I practice continence anyhow, so, its natural for me not to ejaculate for a long time. But, accidents do occur :).

    I notice a real difference as each day passes. At about a week of no ejaculation, for me, just inserting in the first few seconds when that helix touches the prostate, makes my whole body tense and quiver a bit.

    It makes sense to me anyhow.

    Check it out. Maybe help some folks out there.

    later

    frank
  • Jason
    Posts: 5
    Hi Frank,
    I Totally Agree with you, I Ejaculate only once every three months, as I enjoy my dry orgasms so much. I am having several DRY orgasms every day. I am now able to have these orgasms without Aneros.
    Jason
  • Jason said:

    Hi Frank,
    I Totally Agree with you, I Ejaculate only once every three months, as I enjoy my dry orgasms so much. I am having several DRY orgasms every day. I am now able to have these orgasms without Aneros.
    Jason



    Damn Jason! Every three months?
    You must have willpower of steel. And you probably don't have any horny women in your life who think your dick is their personal fuck toy.
    I agree it feels better if I can hold off ejaculating, but I'm lucky if I can get 3 days.
  • breonyx
    Posts: 19
    Yep.

    Cutting down on the ejaculations, for me, is about energy and mental outlook. I find it truly makes a big difference in my overall life. Been working on Mental Focus and the PC muscle for about 3 years now, extending and having multiple orgasm.

    The Aneros gives a new dimension to the whole multiple orgasm process. It also allows me to get to a certain state without porn, which, I find, is a major benefit. Porn, for me, can really kind of trap me, mentally, into one place.

    It takes a constant mental awareness to get into and stay in the zone. Lately, i've been finding just laying down on my right side and basically making my body like a board, completely straight and stretching, arms above my head to be a completely amazing position.

    Anywho, the Aneros is one heck of a device. Its definitly only part of the formula for this super O idea. I know for a fact i've experienced super O's. Quite astounding. And, for me, I know pretty much from the time of insertion how the session will go. And that seems to very much depend on the time between ejaculations.

    Also, it is important to take a break from it. At the very least change positions. I like to stop after a while, remove the aneros, do some yoga.

    frank
  • Collin
    Posts: 56
    Hi Guys, just wanted to add that not ejaculating for a few days makes a big difference for me too. It always has. It's usually when the dry orgasms can most easily occur. I find that when I ejaculate too much or everyday, it makes it much more of a challenge to get pleasure from my Aneros. Another thing I've noticed is oversleeping or going back to sleep after I've awoken, tends to kill my sex drive for the day for some reason.

    I'd definitely suggest not ejaculating or masturbating for a few days for anyone who is not having the success with the Aneros that they would like. It can make a huge difference in your body's response and tendency to have dry / multi orgasms.

    Frank, what you mentioned about energy is so true. I feel a big difference in my level of energy when I ejaculate frequently versus holding off for a few days.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    The following are excerpts from previous posts of mine on this topic.

    A connection between abstinence and the Super O? You betcha! In my opinion there's no question about it. This is one reason that I've recommended that newbies put some space between their sessions. (I myself only use the Aneros once or twice a week.) What's the reason for this? Chia and others have spoken about a type of energy in the body, energy essential for generating the non-ejaculatory, whole body orgasm, (Super O). It is felt that ejaculation depletes this energy, making the non-ejaculatory response much more elusive. In more basic terms; one is much more easily and intensely aroused when some time has elapsed since the last sexual release. A high level of arousal facilitates the development of the Super O. It is in the depths of intense arousal that one is able to capitalize on the subtler sensations that characterize the beginning stages of a Super O.



    One of the keys to the Super O is arousal. It may be said that higher levels of arousal faciliate the Super O. What kind of abstinence is involved? This all depends on the frequency of your sexual encounters to start with. For example, if one is having sex daily, it may only take a couple of days to stockpile arousal. On the hand, if ones sessions are more infrequent, it may take a week or longer to build up a sufficient level of arousal.


    I should add that I'm as convinced of this today as I was when I originally wrote these. I would add to it that there is a high degree of variability from one person to the next in this regard. One thing however is that there may be limits to it's benefit for some people. That is, there may come a point when protracted abstinence leads to frustration,... which can be counterproductive. In the past (prior to my Super O days), I can recall times when I've been so sexually frustrated that I felt like I was on a metabolic melt-down. You don't want to go there. Really what you're looking for is to create a condition where you are a little more primed or amped up for the experience if it all possible. Once there you can take that energy and channel it in a new way.

    If you're not familiar with this technique I'd use it sparingly to start with, you can always increase the time in between sessions later.

    BF Mayfield
  • gravel
    Posts: 53
    This is probably the hardest part for me. I'm used to masturbating once or twice a day. Unless I'm very sick, or I'm in a situation where it's not practical (such as a camping trip or something), I have a hard time saving it up. When I do go without for several days, I often have wet dreams, which defeats the purpose. On the few occasions where I did manage to go without ejaculating for a couple days before using the aneros, the difference was definitely noticeable.
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    A very timely thread for me! I just posted in my blog about a 3 week exile that I just came out of and the resulting session was pretty amazing. There is certainly something to be said about the ancient thought that excessive ejaculations can drain you in more ways than one. The build up of this energy can be almost intoxicating.

    Earlier in my Aneros journey, I felt as though if I took too much time between my sessions, that I would feel like I lost ground in my progress. I seem to be finding now that it can actually intensify it.

    It is all pretty remarkable.

    Buster
  • Onthepath
    Posts: 105
    One way to build up the arousal level while still enjoying the pleasures of masturbation is to practice edging and end the session without ejaculating. It takes a lot of practice, fun practice I might add, and will power, but once you decide to end the session you won’t feel drained and you can have subsequent sessions later in the day if you wish. Over several days this can cause a lot of arousal to build. The arousal builds by not ejaculating for several days and also from the masturbation sessions themselves. I wouldn’t say that my arousal is doubled, but it is certainly increased over what it would be if I had just waited several days without ejaculating and without masturbating.

    I don’t always succeed in not ejaculating but since I’m edging and stroking very slowly and with a light touch, I have what I call a partial or mini ejaculation that consists of only 2 or 3 contractions. If I feel that I'm about to ejaculate, I completely stop all stimulation and remove my hand. If I end the session at that point, I’m still fully aroused and full of energy. I’ve tried to continue edging after this, but once the pump has been primed so to speak, further edging usually, but not always, results in more partial ejaculations. After a few of these, the refractory period kicks in and I feel tired as if I had had a regular and full ejaculation. Most of the time, I’ll just end the session after the first partial ejaculation.

    Try it out!

    Onthepath
  • I'm glad I saw this thread. Maybe this is part of my problem.

    I generally masturbate about once a day, occasionally more and since I got my Helix and more recently my Progasm, I have tried daily sessions which usually end by a penile orgasm.

    I'll have to try easing off for bit. A couple of questions though:

    1. Should I leave off masturbation AND using an Aneros while I let my body recharge or is it ok to continue Aneros sessions?

    2. I have a tendency to contract various muscles during the day while I'm at work and to try to encourage sensations in and around my prostate. Is this a bad idea if I'm supposed to be letting my body recharge?

    Thanks for any help.
  • Onthepath
    Posts: 105
    I would say that you can have an Aneros session as often as you like. They should not affect the recharge time between ejaculations. Just realize that each session is going to be different. Some sessions will be somewhat lackluster while others will be very exciting. Try not to set any expectations about what is going to happen or you will be setting yourself up to be disappointed. Just enjoy the pleasures that you get from each session.

    Also, try not to follow a strict schedule. There will be times where you may want to have an Aneros session every day while at other times due to how you feel or what's going on in your life, you may want to have a session only once or twice a week. Either is fine as long as you don't set expectations about what is going to happen during those sessions.

    I don't see any problem with contracting your muscles during the day to encourage sensations. If it feels good, then by all means do it! After all, you are trying to awaken your body to new sensations.

    Hope this helps,

    Onthepath
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    Hi Justn_Otherguy,

    My opinion would be that you should space out your ejaculations a bit while you are learning how this whole thing works. The build up of this sexual energy is important. At least it has been for me. They teach in KSMO that you should never ejaculate after a session. Not even the same day. You are supposed to take the act of ejaculation and seperate it from the orgasm. I know that an intense Aneros session is pretty satisfying without an ejaculation.

    Experiment with it, you will find the right combination for you.

    Good luck.

    Buster
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    I am on the horns of a dilemma on this one guys.

    I suffer from BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasia) and have for years, until my MGX began to do its MEDICAL magic and makes me feel twenty years younger with much freer urine flow and NOT having to get up at all hours of the night. The thing is, that before that, I would masturbate and ejaculate every few days to "clear the pipes" somewhat. I find that I get even better results and greater relief now if I do both: MGX massage and ejaculate every couple of days.

    Having years ago mastered inward ejaculation (does anyone find themselves doing this inadvertently during aneros sessions?) and total withholding, I have a real appreciation of the energetic benefits of reducing the frequency of ejaculation.

    At the same time, my wife and I have made great progress on our adventure with mutual prostate massage as a central part of our love life together. Since the salient feature and new dimension for her is HAVING ejaculations, she really likes me shooting my load too, particularly if she has given me a great run of dry multiple orgasms during our session, as we did last night.

    Over time, as she comes to enjoy the Calm Seas (darwin) and Floating Bliss (old wolf, myself, others) that have been described in other threads here, through her own KSMO practice which is just getting started, I think she may well come to revel in the "electric still-body dry orgasms" too. Time will tell.

    Any thoughts on alternatives? Thanks.

    artform
  • grateful
    Posts: 51
    Artform, If I understand your dilemma correctly, you are weighing the idea of longer periods of abstaining from ejaculations for the purpose of progressing in your exploration of this new path against the benefits you have enjoyed solo and with your wife with a fairly regular pattern of ejaculation. For what it's worth, I think that defaulting always to the practices which can be shared between you and your wife would be a great rule of thumb. You two seem to really have it great as a team! There are many things we could pursue as individuals that we put aside in favor of a true union with a wife. You two have something incredible, and rare, and this union should be what gets all of the attention - whatever that means in terms of frequency of ejaculation. I hope this helps. grateful
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    artform,

    I would second the preceding post by grateful and add the following, as a long time sufferer of prostatitis (and now BPH) I've learned that life can present you with some trade-offs. My feeling is that if regular ejaculations have provided you with relief.....go with it! Furthermore, if the Aneros has complimented that practice, all the better! I'm well aware of the concept of clearing ones pipes myself, and have found that the trade-off of a having a little less arousal to work with is well compensated for by the miracle of being symptom free.

    One other factor to consider, if you've read some of my earlier comments on abstinence you'll know that I believe that obtaining the erotic recharge from it is largely an individual thing that varies from one person to the next. So while a day may be enough for one person, several days or longer may be required for another. But more importantly, there is an issue of diminishing returns with abstinence where waiting too long allows sexual arousal to be replaced with sexual frustration (....blue balls anyone?). This is a case where there can indeed be too much of a good thing. What I'm getting at is that if you find that two days affords you with a decent charge (as it usually does for me)....take it and run! Given the other considerations that you're working with it would seem (in my IMHO) the best course of action.

    Lastly, one other thing that might be helpful for you to know. While arousal undoubtedly plays a role in any sexual encounter or session, the need for this prexisting reservoir that I've suggested for the newbie is slightly less of a consideration for an advanced user. The reason is that many advanced users are able to generate it spontaneously, at will. Given the nature of your relationship with your wife, you are in a unique position to do so.

    Stay healthy, and may you continue to enjoy and explore!

    BF Mayfield
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Thanks Gravel and BF Mayfield.

    Your comments are reassuring because our explorations, as wonderful as they are, are going on in an environment of high stress from the outside world beyond our relationship. Those stresses sap our general physical energies and sometimes our physical ability to manifest the emotional (wannabe physical) passion we are feeling.

    There are other medical issues too. I have a partial case of ED from having to take beta-blocker medication as part of my cardiac therapy. But as we have discovered, a partial erection, particularly when transmitting the pulse from my MGX massaging away, can actually be a better G-spot massage for my wife than a full hard erection, when we have penile/vaginal G-spot focused times.

    My wife is interested in the Slightest Touch e-stim device and I intend to get the male info kit as well. My cardiologist cleared me to use e-stim at my most recent visit.

    We are dealing with several levels of health and other issues, AND having wonderful new personal erotic orgasmic adventures in spite of all that!

    BTW, it is the Aneros massage that does the best BPH treatment, rather than the ejaculation, but both are better still.

    Thanks again friends for the sensible and grounding advice.

    artform