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I think I'm very close. Input appreciated.
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
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    I've been using my Aneros (helix syn and progasm), for about 10 months. Over that time, things have really progressed. I am at the point now, when I put the aneros in, I relax for 15 minutes or so and then some involuntaries start. I then rub my nipples and it starts to feel warm in my pelvic region and increases the involuntaries even more.
    After a while, the involuntaries will be very strong and constant (sometimes the involuntaries go on for 10 minutes straight).
    This is pretty cool, but it does not give me an "orgasm" feeling at all.

    Now here is where things get a bit interesting. Sometimes my mind kind of just "shuts off" and I concentrate on the aneros hitting my prostate over and over again with the involuntaries. Sometimes it feels like my body is becoming "weightless" or floating a bit. Also, there are a few times when it feels like my mind is trying to go somewhere (which seems a bit scary) and my eyes start to involuntarily flutter while they're closed etc.

    Is this my body trying to go to the "next level"??

    It almost feels like my body and mind are trying to feel an orgasm all over my body (like a full body orgasm). 

    Thoughts?
  • CanacanCanacan
    Posts: 479
    My thought is you are orgasming already... Only you refuse to acknowledge it, consequently missing on part of the pleasure. Yes it doesn't resemble your idea of an orgasm, because your idea is based on ejaculatory orgasms which are pretty different.

    You probably are right in that there are next steps... No hurry to rush there anyway... Enjoy!
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
    Posts: 20
    Thanks for the reply. I've heard some people in here say that their super-o feels like they're on the brink of cumming (the feeling right before the orgasm), but it just last longer and they don't ejaculate. 

    I also heard some people say that waves of pleasure flow all throughout their body (full body orgasm).

    As I said, the involuntaries are cool, but they don't give any type of "orgasmic" feelings. 
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 939
    I don't understand how acknowledging that your orgasaming is of benefit? Will this suddenly make those minor, non orgasmic feelings orgasmic? Is that what your implying cancan? If you do accept that you are orgasming in a very subtle and minor way, what then? Does it get better, will it progress or is this that maximum potential off orgasmic feeling? Pretty poor if it stays at that level wouldn't you say?
  • @inhope it is as mental as it is physical, the power of suggestion helps create the reality
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 939
    Yes. I've heard this before, but making something that isn't orgasmic into something that is...hmmm, I think mental focus is important but the physical moreso, that needs the attention first, whee it is felt.
  • feelnmywayfeelnmyway
    Posts: 21
    I agree with @inhope.
    A orgasm by definition is the peak of sexual excitement. This definitely is not that.

    I understand that people experience pleasure differently but this journey usually starts off because someone wants to experience intense physical pleasure. IMO to try and redefine the concept of orgasm into something that has less than intense physical sensations is robbing people that is on their quest to find the super-O.

    If someone is happy to label a experience as an orgasm when it is a experience with less than intense physical pleasure, then good on them! This is a individual journey afterall!

    For myself, I am not prepared to accept anything less than very intense physical pleasure as a base for an orgasm, anything else is just pleasurable sensations.

    @MrCanuck seems your brain is busy with the rewiring process....keep at it!
  • @MrCanuck

    What you seem to be describing is whats known as a calm seas orgasm. And yes, it is most definitely an orgasm. It may feel subtle now, but you are on your way. The sensation of weightlessness and floating is only the beginning.

     When I have a calm seas orgasm (a uncommon occurrence for me) I experience the same weightlessness and warm feelings throughout my body that you describe. As my relaxation deepens I feel bolts of pleasure spreading and shooting up my spine and back. My prostate lights up with pleasure and courses thru my back and up and over my head. The pleasure continues in a full body fashion, but for me the most intense pleasures is the feeling of waves pulsing and crashing up and over the head. It is completely distinct from a dry orgasm, which for me is more centered in the prostate.

     The first one I had, I couldn't believe what was happening. It was the most serene orgasm imaginable. No clenching, or struggling for orgasm at all. No moaning or sounds escaped me. I was limp as a noodle, breathing stayed completely steady; even slowed a bit. From an outsiders perspective it would have looked as if I was just sleeping and not experiencing the most tranquil, peaceful, and pleasurable experience of my life.

    Just something to look forward to!

    Good Luck!
  • The Peridise has that affect on me. The Os seem to come from nowhere and then euphoria and bliss. All the other models are more intense and wavy
  • G-ForceG-Force
    Posts: 57
    @beefstoganoff  Your experiences are very similar to mine.  @MrCanuk  I think the most important thing I did when I was at your stage in my journey, was not to look for more.  "Concentrate on the now" and enjoy the pleasant feelings.  I think you "are" very close.  It took me a long time, but it was worth the wait!  More to look forward to......I now experience the feelings you mentioned daily while at work without aneros.  These feelings build int mini O's until time for my next session.
    Sounds like you are on the right track.  Enjoy! 
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
    Posts: 20
    Thanks for the replies everyone :)

    So beefstroganoff and G-Force.... Is the super-O that you feel better than a normal orgasm?
     
    Does it "feel like" the "just before you cum" feeling?
  • G-ForceG-Force
    Posts: 57
    This is a very difficult question to answer.  As many people have pointed out on this forum, we can only give each other advice.  We try to keep everything positive.  I wish I could tell you what you will feel, however, our experiences are all unique.  I would not be helping you, by trying to tell you how your orgasms will feel.

    I will say.....Don't try to compare your feelings to anything you have experienced before.  let every tiny sensation build, and go along with it wherever it decides to take you.  I still find that many of my sessions are quite different from others.  It always surprises me how it just keeps getting better.

    Years before I joined this forum, I had the same questions.  I too was looking for something to feel better than a traditional orgasm.  It is easier said than done, but the sooner you can stop thinking of a normal orgasm the better.

    I am not as eloquently gifted describing my feelings as some others on the forum.  But, for me, the Super O is not  10x or 100x better than a traditional orgasm......It is off the chart!!  Believe in your journey.  I think it feels way better than the "just before you cum" feeling, but you have to go in a different direction to get there.  Just think, you have the ability to feel incredible pleasure for hours on end multiple times per day.  Pretty Amazing!

    Just trying to keep you thinking positively!!  You are on your way.
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
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    Awesome. Thank you for your reply and advice. Makes sense. I'll just try and "let my mind and body go". I'll just enjoy the involuntaries and keep relaxing. Hopefully in time it will take me to another level.

    Not sure if you can answer this, but when you say that "for you" it feels better than the "just before you cum" feeling, does it feel at all like that, or is it a different, better kind of whole body "pleasure" feeling?
  • @MrCanuck

    I agree with G-Force. Expectations only distract from the pleasure you can feel right now! With that being said I'll still try and tackle your questions. Maybe they will provide some insight.

    For me, a prostate centered orgasm feels more like being on the verge of ejaculation. Still, it is not quite the same. I begin to moan like during a traditional orgasm and have a similar reaction, but over a longer period of time. The pleasure comes in intermittent waves and spikes while a traditional orgasm has one quick burst of extreme pleasure. 

    The calm seas orgasm is special in that it is the opposite of the typical reaction to orgasm. Feelings of sinking deeper and relaxation envelope the mind and body instead of clenching or clamping felt during a "normal" dry orgasm. The pleasure feels more concentrated in the mind (with waves emanating up from the prostate), bolstering and intensifying the emotions felt throughout the experience. It could be described as an open or airy euphoria. Almost as if the pleasure were touching your very being. A distinctly emotional event! The phrased "blissed out" describes it well.  People interpret this feeling differently. I put it down to just one more amazing thing my body can achieve, but for others it is a vastly spiritual feeling.
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 939
    I agree Re: expectations. Though those expect ions of what it should feel like are kind of the aneros companies fault, look at the packaging and instructions on the aneros products "put it in and the device works automatically" 

    BS! it requires a journey and training and mental readiness. None of that on the box!
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
    Posts: 20
    Thanks for your interpretation beefstroganoff, and to everyone else who replied.

    As my journey continues, I'll focus less on expectation, and concentrate more on feeling what's there. 
    At some point, hopefully the super-o decides to come out and play with me :)

  • @MrCanuck


    For me, a prostate centered orgasm feels more like being on the verge of ejaculation. Still, it is not quite the same. I begin to moan like during a traditional orgasm and have a similar reaction, but over a longer period of time. The pleasure comes in intermittent waves and spikes while a traditional orgasm has one quick burst of extreme pleasure. 

    The calm seas orgasm is special in that it is the opposite of the typical reaction to orgasm. Feelings of sinking deeper and relaxation envelope the mind and body instead of clenching or clamping felt during a "normal" dry orgasm. The pleasure feels more concentrated in the mind (with waves emanating up from the prostate), bolstering and intensifying the emotions felt throughout the experience. It could be described as an open or airy euphoria. Almost as if the pleasure were touching your very being. A distinctly emotional event! The phrased "blissed out" describes it well.  People interpret this feeling differently. I put it down to just one more amazing thing my body can achieve, but for others it is a vastly spiritual feeling.


    I had several of those last night with the smallest Peridise in the beginners set. It was like floating in space, absolutely no sound, and I had music playing in the headphones, it was unreal! It must have been a brown-out from the overloaded circuits!
  • slimjmslimjm
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    @ MrCanuck - You're very close to a super O from what you describe.  My journey was much like yours, about 10 months until the first one, with the relaxation you describe and the warmth building in my pelvis with the involuntaries, especially with tickling my nipples.  Suddenly one night the warmth flowed right out to the end of my penis, kind of burning like, with the neatest hot feeling orgasm but nothing would come out, lasting a couple minutes.  Over the next few months this came more and more consistently with greater and greater orgasmic intensity.

    I think you're really close to this happening for you also.  The neat relaxed floating and other feelings that accompany it are all part of the super O, so technically speaking you're already having some of the sensations of a super O.  You'll just really love the orgasmic feeling when it comes strongly also.
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
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    Awesome. That is very encouraging. Thank you for sharing slimjim :)
  • G-ForceG-Force
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    @inhope
    I found your comment very funny regarding instructions on the box (I hope I took it the right way).

    I was thinking there needs to be something else on the box like......WARNING: This device may lead to job loss and the desire to never leave your house again. Stock up on lube and Good Luck!
  • SaddleUpSaddleUp
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    I think you are having orgasms. And I agree that your body is trying to get to the “next level.” I believe you have reached the point where you are able to recognize and initiate the physical sensations: the contractions coming from your pelvic region. You can now concentrate on some of the other skills which can help you recognize, feel, and enjoy those orgasms. 

    I had this same issue. I could feel contractions, it felt good, but not great. Later I began incorporating more mental processes into the experience, and that’s when I started feeling these sensations as enjoyable, pleasurable orgasms. I have tried a lot of mental acrobatics, and I believe it all helps me. KSMO techniques, amygdala clicking, weed, meditation, and especially fantasy exploration.

    I find that meditation, either before or during a session, is helpful. I especially like doing one of the many guided meditations for chakra opening/balancing/alignment you can find on YouTube or podcasts. Whether you are “into” this kind of thing or not, it’s great for focusing on body awareness. For me, relaxation is the key. I have to feel safe and secure and free to enjoy this. So I plan sessions during private time, I prepare my room to be a  comforting nest, I listen to calming music, etc.

    The other big thing for me is visual imagery and fantasy. That seems to connect the physical sensations with the sexual pleasure for me. My fantasies jump around continuously, as I search for whatever is going to push me a little further. I don’t watch porn at all while in a session. I usually wear a sleep mask while I’m having my session. I try to block outside distractions. I also wear earbuds with music or binaural waves. I want to get completely into my little world.

    One other thing that I don’t see mentioned often is that I have much more pleasure when I can get my lower belly to relax. I often have tightness there, and I often spend a good deal of my sessions going back and trying to relax there. I believe that clenching the lower belly muscles diminishes the pleasure of the contractions. It’s like the body is fighting the orgasm. But this may be very specific to just me!
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
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    Thanks for the input SaddleUp. So, now that you're starting to feel these sensations as "enjoyable", how is the feeling different from when they were just feeling "good" and not "great"?

    Is it a full body warmth, tingling, orgasm feeling etc.?
  • SaddleUp said:


    The other big thing for me is visual imagery and fantasy. That seems to connect the physical sensations with the sexual pleasure for me. My fantasies jump around continuously, as I search for whatever is going to push me a little further. I don’t watch porn at all while in a session. I usually wear a sleep mask while I’m having my session. I try to block outside distractions. I also wear earbuds with music or binaural waves. I want to get completely into my little world.

    One other thing that I don’t see mentioned often is that I have much more pleasure when I can get my lower belly to relax. I often have tightness there, and I often spend a good deal of my sessions going back and trying to relax there. I believe that clenching the lower belly muscles diminishes the pleasure of the contractions. It’s like the body is fighting the orgasm. But this may be very specific to just me!


    I agree, I have Bose noise cancelling headphones and also cover my head with a pillow, really helps block outside distractions! I either concentrate on the beat of the music, or visualizations

    If I start the kegel exercises too soon, it actually prevents me from relaxing all the muscle regions down there and takes me longer. You can do pretty much the same thing with hip motions, which keep me relaxed, but help get movement from the devices
  • PommiePommie
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    @MostInteresting1,
    Your last point resonates strongly with me.
    I also find that very gently and slowly rocking my hips during an Aneros session helps to get the tool moving in just the right way. In fact the motion is not really a motion at all.

    I just apply muscle tensions sufficient to replicate 'humping' without actually doing so, and that is enough. I imagine myself being a gentle sensuous lover while fantasising that I am having loving intercourse. This works beautifully to generate the desired responses from the tool.
  • inhopeinhope
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    Pommie what you're deceived is micro movements like I have been saying for months! It's like contractions but they're Quicker
  • isvaraisvara
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    @inhope, how did you get beyond the micro movements. Mine feel like mini contractions, they can come in groups, not always in the same place. Occasionally a stronger one. I am not sure what they are but I often get them when I lie down. As you say they are quicker
  • PommiePommie
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    @inhope,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "deceived".
    Also, my movements, (such as they are), are certainly not quick.

    you seem to be eluding to something different from what I feel.
  • Yes, they are small slow movements of the hips that helps you 'paint' your prostate with device which is the brush. As @pommie says, the movement is like slow humping.
  • isvaraisvara
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    @Pommie, they are different. I am not sure what they are. @inhope sort of describes them as micro movements. They originally seemed like a reflex response but lately they have come in sort series and are quite quick. I will see where they lead to. They are not unpleasant.
  • inhopeinhope
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    Deceived = described. Stupid autocorrect! The micro movements of which I speak are user controlled not involuntary
  • darwindarwin
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    @SaddleUp,

    Can you recommend some specific Chakra meditations on youtube or elsewhere?

    Darwin
  • Armon-neatArmon-neat
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    A thoroughly enjoyable and edifying thread!  Thanks, MrCanuck, for your excellent descriptions and everyone else for their responses.  It's  threads such as these which reinforce (for me) the idea that we are in some ways, a community.  So many have had similar experiences as they started and make similar discoveries on their way, and yet, everyone has their own path and feels the effects just a bit differently.  
  • DarkEngineDarkEngine
    Posts: 173
    Oh, the weightlessness feeling — I've experienced that as well, twice I think? It feels pretty odd, and I think with me it was basically an orgasm when fairly tired.
  • euphemisticeuphemistic
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    MrCanuck, why don't you just follow your mind when it tries to leave your body? I agree with the others that what you describe sounds like a calm seas orgasm as I experience them The eyes fluttering involuntarily, the mind trying to leave sounds like reverie, a waking dream state.

    SattleUp, I second Darwin. What chakra meditation do you find useful? I've been doing a energy balancing technique called microcosmic orbit which gives me different knd of orgasms. See my blog for breathing meditation. I also have the tightness in my abdomen and it is blocking my progress I believe. I store emotional stress there and I've been trying to figure out what to do with it. My tai chi teacher gave me a chigung movement which I haven't tried yet. I signed up for deep muscle massage which I haven't had yet. I've been kneading my abdominal muscles while orgasming which has helped. it feels wonderful. I'm circulating sexual energy with the breathing meditation while doing this and bathing my abdomen in warmth. It feels sexual, relaxing, emotional, different. I just play around with the muscle tissue, sometimes deep massage and sometimes just holding my belly is all that's needed.

  • some ideas. mentally picture a warm orange (insert favorite color here) colored liquid entering your big toe, like a hose is attached to your big toe. Mentally "fill up" your body, starting with your toes, moving to your ankles, calfs, knees, etc. As you mentally feel the liquid move to a new section of your body, imagine it making that body part get warm and relax. I had a tape at one time that would verbally walk me though the process. But I am able to mentally do it now. when I am really stressed, I use this technique...

    Another is to picture a butterfly fluttering within your body and picture it gathering your stress on it's wings and then fly out and away from your body. Mentally picture it flying higher and further away from your body, breath deeply and slowly as it flies away
  • SaddleUpSaddleUp
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    You asked: “how is the feeling different from when they were just feeling "good" and not "great”?”

    I think it’s a growing awareness that it IS pleasurable, or that it was always pleasurable but you’re finally recognizing it. And the more you recognize the pleasure, the more you know what you’re looking for. It’s an ability to associate these physical phenomena with pleasure. So I may not know how to answer your question directly, other than to say that when you feel something that’s “good,” see if you can isolate that feeling a bit more. And if it fades, look somewhere else. I think the more you focus on a pleasurable feeling, you feel the pleasure grow, but at some point it begins fading, and pleasure “somewhere else” is growing. So you need to be able to switch your focus. Is it growing in your nipples? In your ass? Check your stomach? Change your fantasy. Try another fantasy, reverse roles in your head with your lover, perform for an imaginary audience. Give in to penetration, your are bound and unable to resist what is happening to you. Maybe that doesn’t work for you, but something else will build your arousal, and then you can look/feel for where the pleasure is emanating from.


    Currently my favorite guided meditation podcast is from “Meditation Oasis,” and is called Chakra Meditation. It’s very simple, very introductory, 19 minutes long. I often do it as a warmup to a session, but sometimes I’ll listen to it while doing an Aneros or -less session. It is hard to pay attention when things get rolling!

    I’ve listened to a number of Chakra specific meditations on YouTube, but I’m not able to recommend one right now because I can’t find the ones I’ve liked. I need to figure out how to bookmark or save the ones I like. The ones I’ve liked so far have been 15 minutes or so that focus on one Chakra. I think it’s worth scanning through some of the hundreds of YouTube meditations out there to see what appeals to you. I think this practice is very personalized, and you need to see what pushes your buttons. It’s much like discussing which fantasies turn me on. Some would love them, some would hate them.


    I also have been doing something like the microcosmic orbit, essentially by extending and returning my chakra meditation. I go from the root through the crown, and then, keeping the tip of my tongue touching my palate, return it back down, then going through my legs to the soles of my feet.

    Discussing tenseness in the stomach also reminds of its corollary: pleasure from the stomach. I am very sensitive to orgasmic sensations now in my lower belly. This seems to be an extension of my nipple play. Even my wife now notices how touching my lower belly sends me through the roof. Ah, it’s the little things in life :)


    Love the visual exercises! I’m trying these very soon!

  • euphemisticeuphemistic
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    SaddleUp, yes, someone turned me on to the abdomen as a erogenous place and I knew it was a energy center. I've been unable to completely relax though because my abdomen is always tight. I think I store emotional stress there but it's also muscular tightness and pain. Deep massage of my whole abdomen while aroused is loosening up the area with new kinds of sensations. The relaxation seems to last between sessions. I just grab a handful of my belly and move it around while orgasming and rubbing my nipples. The sensations go through my perineum to my ass. It's like nothing I've felt before. Not a orgasm initself. Lucky you that your wife found this center of pleasure!
  • One side benefit to the Aneros sessions is the realization how tense, tight, and stressed you are and the need to concentrate on relaxation. I've suffered from insomnia for a long time and the emphasis on relaxation needed to fully enjoy the Aneros has translated in a cessation of my insomnia and an overall feeling of peace I never knew possible! 
  • MrCanuckMrCanuck
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    Thanks for the replies and input everyone!!
  • LongshanksLongshanks
    Posts: 108
    darwin said:

    @SaddleUp,


    Can you recommend some specific Chakra meditations on youtube or elsewhere?

    Darwin



    I like Kelly Howell's Ecstasy. This really helps me over the edge.  All music, very nice.

     

    I also have Awakening Kundalini by her as well. This has a guided meditation beginning with breathing exercises and then a, "Just music" section.  Very nice as well.

  • One side benefit to the Aneros sessions is the realization how tense, tight, and stressed you are and the need to concentrate on relaxation. I've suffered from insomnia for a long time and the emphasis on relaxation needed to fully enjoy the Aneros has translated in a cessation of my insomnia and an overall feeling of peace I never knew what was possible! 



    yes I found myself relaxing completely for the first time since I can remember last week. It was like I had forgotten how to relax being so used to the everyday stresses. I was in Maine by myself and thinking about relaxing and how difficult it is for me. I did chigung exercises and meditations every day and put attention on my abdomen, the center of my tension. Riding aneros and dildo occasionally of course. And at some point I noticed that something was different, I felt relaxed! That will be my baseline state from now on to compare to my everyday state and know when I'm relaxed or not. Aneros got me started in meditating and still is the most pleasurable form of meditation.

  • I had a pretty great session last night with my Progasm - first time i've ever felt such strong sensations in my prostate. I was working on relaxing as each wave of pleasure hit instead of tensing up like I used to do - it seemed to work as they kept building. 

    I'm quite sure that if i'd not just had a traditional orgasm (w. ejaculation) hours before it - i'd probably have had a dry-O or something better. Gonna try holding off on penile orgasms for a while and see if it helps with the intensity of the Aneros sessions.