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Some thoughts, observations and some help?
  • inhopeinhope
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    Typed on ipad sorry for errors or poor language, so hard to type on this thing!

    I Don't understand how some of you can put a device in and then repeat a similar specific process each time and achieve orgasms within minutes. Even if you have perhaps two techniques for 'getting there' it's still more focused than what happens with me.

    My problem is that no two sessions are the same in the sense that the techniques, the contractions and so on will work in one session and then totally makes a me feel nothing at all in the next. This inconsistency is leading to constant confusion and indeed, frustration. (Perhaps a hint of anger towards others that dont have this problem)

    I had a period of trying for 4 days with one or two techniques and it led to more sensation than the last session as I went on. Then I had 4 days of being busy with work, I return to aneros use after these 4 days off, turned on and excited, and the techniques I had done before did nothing, not a thing, it feels like the progress I made has been interrupted and that technique is now no longer valid at all, I have unwired myself in some way? I'm told this isn't possible.

    I'm Finding it very hard to be grateful for the feelings I get In a session when most of my sessions are total duds, 2hours of NO feelings at all, what I do find is; if I get some sensation is that I get incredibly turned on that when the sensations stop in my prostate that I am fired up and almost cannot function unless orgasm traditionally! THIS is the frustration.

    It came to me recently when reading dome threads here, some dudes complaining that they can't hit the super o or they're stuck, yet consistently they state they have dry o's. I've Never had a dry o, not ever. Maybe mini o's tops. But nothing orgasm like.

    That was my goal, just to have one, once! I now possibly have a fear, paranoid perhaps, that my misuse of the aneros products when I first got it has led to some nerve damage early on in there, (stinging pain in prostate when cumming normally for years) though I have been told this might have just been mild prostatitius or some tissue irritation for aggressive use.

    I just don't get how you guys got to the stages you're at, you all seem to get great success, I've followed your advice and it's worked but then it's stopped working abruptly. I don't quite get where it needs to go from this point on. I always return to the wiki. But it's got some unclear elements in there such as this:

    "....base level contraction...... 16x medium level contractions then return to the base level one for 4 seconds....."

    then what? Rest for 10 seconds or hold base level contraction for 4 seconds then after those 4 seconds go straight Into the medium level ones again? Or rest? For how long? It's detail here needs be clearer.

    I also recently think I tried a reverse kegel, can't recall how I did it though, but I felt a build up, which faded and went to nothing after 10 mins again. If I'm going to feel anything In a session it's in the first 10 mins.

    So there we go, some observations and thoughts. Need to get on with moving forward I think, ideas?
  • didymusdidymus
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    @inhope, I have noticed you reaching out for help on a regular basis through multiple discussions and have seen you receive hundreds of suggestions. I do not know if you have tried them all but it seems like you are getting desperate which will further get in your way.
    You may want to lay off for at least a month and then when you come back go to Mayfields excellent suggestions for beginners and stick to just those.
    With respect to your concerns about possible prostate damage you need to seek qualified medical help - if you rely on self-diagnosis, as the saying goes, you have a fool for a doctor. 
    You may also want to consider having a professional do a prostate massage.
  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 1,097
    i will consider visiting a professional, good plan.

    Its the lack of consistency that is my biggest hurdle, doing one thing in one session and getting results, then its useless in subsequent sessions.

    I wonder what makes me physiologically different to others for this to be the case, when in someone else it can be as easy as a15 min session and they're away, so inconsistent through board this whole process (least for some)

    I always refer to the aneros wiki, from which i understand is Mayfields words, again i would love some clearer guidelines especially on the contractions bit.
  • inhopeinhope
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    OK so ive got a technique that ‘works’ for me, or at least stops
    me from feeling nothing or falling asleep out of total boredom:



    First I open up and do nothing while I acclimatise to the
    device



    Then I sort of think: push out, perhaps this is a reverse
    kegel? (anyone tell me how to do one of these?)



    When this stops producing feelings I then do the aneros wiki
    guide , held contractions etc (though this STILL need clarification, its no
    clear enough IMO)



    Then when this stops producing feelings I do quick micro
    movements and I switch between all three.



    The only consistency between all these three techniques I use
    in a session is this: I NEED to have an erection forming or formed to feel
    these sensations in my prostate (not that I have any control here though)



    One other consistency actually is I always get a few drops
    of precum for every session I now have (2 so far today)



    Post session I am incredibly turned on (hence frustration)
    and need a release/prostate is hot and swelling but no longer receptive to
    stimulation? 



  • inhopeinhope
    Posts: 1,097
    Had a great session today, lasted a long time, had several builds up including one that i felt sure was it, so powerful and strong and lovely and then ... poof no orgasm, just back to nothing (like i had orgasmed but felt nothing), but still very pleasant! had other nice feelings too and found a little rhythm that worked for me.

    Definitely going in the right direction :-) only downside currently is that i am now super, super turned on by my session, some mild pleasant sensation in my prostate... what to do!
  • Well if it was me, i'd rejoice and stop complaining.
    Paul
  • inhopeinhope
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    Do you see a complaint? I said I was happy... Even added a smiley face. I mentioned the only 'downside' bring I was super turned on.... Which if you think about it isn't really a downside....
  • inhope said:

    Had a great session today, lasted a long time, had several builds up including one that i felt sure was it, so powerful and strong and lovely and then ... poof no orgasm, just back to nothing (like i had orgasmed but felt nothing), but still very pleasant! had other nice feelings too and found a little rhythm that worked for me.


    Definitely going in the right direction :-) only downside currently is that i am now super, super turned on by my session, some mild pleasant sensation in my prostate... what to do!


    "downside" sounds like a complaint to me.  I was kidding you, but you are super serious.
  • inhopeinhope
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    If you were kidding maybe you should have added a smiley face to huh? ;-) it's hard to discern such things when not speaking face to face isn't it? Nice try dude.
  • inhopeinhope
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    back on topic: I just had my best session of my entire aneros experience; definite contact with my prostate, definite arousal, and feelings of orgasm building in there, at times there were really intense shards of feeling which faded, but wow. Nice.

    At one point of subtle contractions i got a real build up, dick felt so hard it was going to explode and my prostate had a sort of rushing electricity through it. When legs were flat i would get involuntaries, very rapid and almost 'all over the place' like the muscles in my ass were in extreme spasm, i suspect i need to learn to control these better. I would get pleasure from these as well, whereas before i wouldn't! awesome.

    I realise now i was getting a 'rushing orgasm' in the past as someone once called it here recently, (the post session instances i refer to) this same rushing, though not as intense as before is present once again but it never 'completes' or goes 'over the edge' THIS is the frustration i was talking about all these years, and orgasm that never completes, and THIS is the reason why i would need to masturbate as it would get SO SO SO ready to pop but just couldn't. A hurdle to overcome, but i enjoy them too so for now i will live with them.

    Positive attitude now I can feel my prostate. :-)

    Restraining the urge to masturbate even now, my prostate is so alive/awake and i can feel what feels like warmth of a teeny orgasm constantly at the plateau, ready to pop and I'm out of session, its unbelievably nice as a feeling. Wish it would just tip over :-D

    I still think I'm learning or being rewired, my dick thinks it needs to ejaculate for me to orgasm, i still get the super hard erection when the prostate pleasure rises, but its different somehow... its not as penis centric anymore, the pleasure is in the prostate for certain and I'm not thinking about sex or jizzing, which is good IMO (also no porn used)

    I don't know what I'm supposed to do to tip over that edge, all i can do is repeat what i do in my current sessions and then all of a sudden it be different one day? if so, cool.

    THAT point though, the point of 'about to orgasm like a rocket' at the edge of something crazy and inexplicable. Thats where i am currently. Its wonderful, exciting and frustrating like you could not even imagine. Right now I'm shaking with desire to orgasm and i can barely think straight!  

    One thing; is a dry-o basically a super-o or perhaps a less intense super-o? I'm not expecting either to happen however i have always need a frame of reference to know what something feels like, and I've always been curious as to the difference here?
  • ineverknewineverknew
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    @inhope, glad to see things progressing.  IMO you dont need to abstain from ejaculation, just wait a while after a session or maybe the next day.  Sounds like your on the right path.  Keep in mind that the pleasure in your prostate is usually the easy part for most people, orgasming is the harder part, so don't get frustrated if it doesnt happen right away.  Just enjoy where your at and what you are feeling with no expectations of orgasms and eventually it will happen when you probably least expect it  ;).  As far as dry O vs. super O, my opinion is they are the same, just that a super is, well, just more intense.  After you have had both you will realize the difference, sort of lol
  • inhopeinhope
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    Cheers @ineverknew my friend, i will keep going! as i say the hardest thing for me is just how amazingly turned on i get when i have a session. Its now an hour since my last one and I'm still buzzing in my prostate, my penis, my ass, my stomach, my hands/fingers/toes, twitching, my body feels thirsty! I don't want to orgasm traditionally, I'm trying to teach my body not to expect it post session.

    I can keep repeating what i do in session however am i right in thinking that it will just suddenly tip over the edge one day, just doing the same things? (i do lots of different technique in sessions anyways but i would say 3-4 things mainly) Happy to keep doing what works either way. I wonder if what i currently experience are P-Waves? not been able to get an accurate description of them to know! Feels amazing.

    Today was good. :-)
  • ineverknewineverknew
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    @inhope, well I dont agree with the whole "edge" thing, I dont believe there is one, at least not like a typical orgasm.  But yeah basically, just keep doing what your doing and relaxing into the feelings and it will happen.
  • inhopeinhope
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    Even though i don't know what a Dry O is like i agree with you! i can sort of feel that it doesn't ramp up in the same way, it just sort of becomes the feeling without realising, its only when it subsides for me that i realise i was in real awesome pleasure! (though not orgasmic as such yet). Yes i will keep doing what I'm doing. 
  • ineverknewineverknew
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    @inhope, for me dry O's start out very subtle and just build stronger.  Its not until its done that I'm like, whoa!, that was awesome!
  • inhopeinhope
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    Yeah that sounds a little like what I'm at the beginning of here, when in contract i get what could be described as a very subtle orgasmic feeling, that builds/falls etc and then when it hits a rhythm its sustained, cock gets hard and i get those shards and some precum. It doesn't get to the levels of orgasm (edge or not) but that is because i am not there yet i suppose.

    However i am failing to understand that if there is no 'edge' what is the barrier i felt in my last session, the barrier to feeling the full force of a dry orgasm, it definiltey felt like i was about to cum harder than ever and in a new way, it would rise then it would stop, or it was fall from feeling as intense. Hard to visualise through that if there is nothing to 'get over'. Did you experience this point in your journey?
  • TreiTrei
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  • inhopeinhope
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    Was this post meant for me @Trei ? i don't have prostate problems (pain etc, i did years ago however if you read my original post again)

    I'm making great progress with my sessions now, the info i was after was more about visualisation and what is the perception of an 'edge'. My techniques are producing great results at the mo, but thanks, i will keep your info bookmarked for when i develop things further.

    Please read through the responses/posts in this thread, you can see that i have moved on from the initial post i made.

    So i ask again how does the lack of the 'edge' mean that the sensations i or we experience ultimately increase enough to produce a prostate orgasm, from one session where its almost there to one where it is orgasming. Is it something to do with the mind or the level of stimulation and consistency within the prostate in a session?

    Either way, its interesting and its all helpful!
  • TreiTrei
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    You're welcome, i started it last night when i first read your op, and finished it this morning, i don't know what possesed me to type all of that. As regards to your question in the recent post i think the edge changes to orgasm once it gets so intense that loss of control and confusion occur. Sort of i guess like when a racecar spirals out of control. I guess an edge is a controlled orgasm.
  • inhopeinhope
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    @Trei Please inbox me the stuff you mentioned, it was awesome and will be useful in my continuing journey :-)
  • inhopeinhope
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  • inhopeinhope
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    Ok just had another session within SECONDS i was getting lovely feelings, no matter what i did, burning returned too. After  30 mins i removed the device and it was DRY as f*ck.

    Reapplied more lube and INSTANT burning, not in a good way either, some nice feelings though as well.

    Then poof, nothing, no burning and no pleasure, no matter what the stuff i tried that worked over the last 3 or 4 days worked, no subtle 10% stuff or harder or do nothing, just a super, super dud.

    So my last session was primarily burning and nothingness, that kinda didn't go so well! don't know what it means and i don't know if i should even be asking anyone of you here, its only going to meet with acerbic responses I'm sure.

    I just feel i needed a minor vent.
  • BadgerBadger
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    @inhope, just what kind of lube are you using, and how much?

    I personally have had very good luck with a lube shooter full of Slippery Stuff Gel, or an xl lube shooter load of same or Passion Lube, and then coating the Aneros with either Vaseline or Un-petroleum Jelly.

    Even after an overnighter, there's still plenty of lube to push out after removing it.
  • inhopeinhope
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    Maximus water lube (no additives or aloe or anything etc) I've used it for 9 years with no issues

    The burning in the last session was too much, it was really unpleasant and i had to stop (though the feelings stopped anyway) it was very uncomfortable moreso than before.

    Tried with Shea butter and no burning at all :-) weird
  • isvaraisvara
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    @inhope, so have you tried another lube with a different base, such as an oil based lube such as olive oil, or a fat based lube such as shea butter. If you have did you get the same reaction.
    If you have been using the same lube for 9 years, you may have built up an allergy to it.
    Have you tried a tool with a different pressure point such as MGX.
    You have posted so much I can't remember any of the basics.
  • ineverknewineverknew
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    @inhope, water based lubes will dry and get absorbed.  The amount you use is important.  If I use Maximus I tend to inject around 7ml of maximus and coat the device with A&D ointment, vaseline works too.  I think you may not be using enough.  Also, at least for me, if I remove the device and put it back in it can sometimes be  a session killer, not sure why though.
  • inhopeinhope
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    Shea butter works, like I said
  • isvaraisvara
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    Then use Shea butter!
  • PommiePommie
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    @inhope,
    I agree totally with @isvara. Why would one use anything else on a regular basis?

    Have used it for most of the last five years and, to my knowledge, have suffered no ill effects.