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What is the point of all this..?
  • BunkBunk
    Posts: 164
    As there are a thousands of discussions on this forum I'm sure this topic has been discussed before. However, I have not been able to locate it. So here goes...
    What I can't get my (ignorant, westernized) head around is the reason why we're able to achieve such heights of sexual pleasure via our prostate glands, while having no benefit to the continuation of the species. The traditional orgasm with ejaculation is one of the greatest pleasures a man can have, which is why we like to engage in sex, which keeps us breeding as mother nature intends.The female orgasm also helps with conception.
    The way I see it is the human race would continue on its merry way perfectly well without this particular sexual experience. This begs the question... Why?
    Why do we have this ability hidden deep within us..?
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 146
    Not everything we do as humans has to do with procreation, besides I'm not sure if I'd define the Super O as sexual pleasure. Sure, arousal helps you get there, but once there I'd term it more ecstatic than sexual.
    Why?
    I'd like to think sometime soon we'll discover the magic bullet that stops telomeres from getting shorter. When they shorten, we age. Scientists have already done successful experiments with mice  actually making the telomeres longer and thereby rejuvenating the mice.
    If humans could develop a medicin that would activate the dormant gene(that's already active in our sperm)that would enable telomerase to stop the telomeres from getting shorter, old people would get younger and oldage would be a thing of the past, nobody would die of oldage then.
    And with the overpopulation already existing,  making babies couldn't be justified, etc etc.
    So perhaps it's all part of our evolution
  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 868
    The high point of evolution is when creatures jump the gap and have pleasure and fun and humour. So good non procreative orgasms is what keeps the creatures on the evolutionary track and make life better for others as well - wow!
    If one is religious then "at last humans get it". Life is to be lived and enjoyed, make the most of My gift of life. One of the criticisms leveled at Jesus was that he enjoyed his life and others enjoyed his company. It is a pity the religious people got rid of him, but he would not lie down and go away! He came back and keeps chipping away at our stupidity.?
  • vandelayvandelay
    Posts: 17
    All I have is speculation to go on, but here are my thoughts. Evolution is "opportunistic" in happening upon "good tricks" and letting them fall to the wayside after long periods without use. Some of these things stick around in one form or another whether they function or not (like the appendix). I would be looking for an alternate function in this ability to gain pleasure from Aneros.

    Maybe part of it is from the development of the embryo and how analogous the male and female sex organs are. The nerve endings that are more useful for women in deriving pleasure from sex are still in the area for men. Maybe this was much more useful in women before cultural transmission took hold in humans. It may have pushed the drive for procreation before we had the ability to reflect on the pleasure. Now that men and women can experiment more and reflect, we're discovering "tricks" that Mother Nature never dreamed of.

    Like I said, this is speculation from my general understanding of evolution. I would caution against thinking of evolution as something with foresight. It's trial and error on a large scale. Always look backwards for how things came to be the way they are.
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    Try looking at this, and see whether it enables you to conceive of a purpose for sexuality beyond reproduction.

    In our ancestors, number of sexual partners and sexual orientation may well have been more "fluid"

  • I agree emphatically with @isvara!

    @vandelay
    Mother Nature is ALL KNOWING. Therefore, one can discover nothing that she has not dreamt of. There is nothing new under the sun.
  • @Bunk
    You have discovered something better than the Bestial Orgasm. Be thankful for that. Don't over analyze it. It is perhaps not meant for you, to figure out why other people have not had, or do not want this particular experience. The Aneros experience may not be intended for the vast majority of the world's population. Who cares? It's really not that serious. Always remember: Speeches reaches those who already know about it.
  • CanacanCanacan
    Posts: 573
    Bunk said:

    As there are a thousands of discussions on this forum I'm sure this topic has been discussed before. However, I have not been able to locate it. So here goes...

    What I can't get my (ignorant, westernized) head around is the reason why we're able to achieve such heights of sexual pleasure via our prostate glands, while having no benefit to the continuation of the species. The traditional orgasm with ejaculation is one of the greatest pleasures a man can have, which is why we like to engage in sex, which keeps us breeding as mother nature intends.The female orgasm also helps with conception.
    The way I see it is the human race would continue on its merry way perfectly well without this particular sexual experience. This begs the question... Why?
    Why do we have this ability hidden deep within us..?


    Maybe nature is nothing like my mother but only the collection of all that happens. I am sure it always eventually finds it way to new semi-balanced states. But it probably neither have conscience nor intent. Why we can experience this is probably because it is built-in our DNA just in case we turn up female. And as regards to the use of pleasure for reproduction, not all living things have it... the way we are made also makes it possible (and desirable to many) to have sex with tons of partners (both getting a lot of pleasure in the process) but end up getting deadly diseases... Sorry I don't see grand schemes. Just a random and self balancing system (like many others).

    Of course we have philosophy and spirituality and all that... It can be enlightening and helpful. But I wouldn't force such explanation on reality just for the sake of the argument.

    I don't think science will help you there. But if spirituality is what you look for you might check the different turns on sacred sexuality from Indian Tantrism and Chinese Taoism. I kind of like Gary Joseph's modernised version : http://www.sss-now.org/aboutGJ.htm... But certainly not matching his very long developed and refined predecessors, only more western friendly maybe.

    Honestly I learned not to care about these things. I enjoy what comes, the insights it sometimes gives but not try to make sense of it that much... It doesn't really matter.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 1,162
    I tend to have a more simplistic view on this, and maybe I'm wrong.  But the nerves surrounding the genitals and prostate are all connected, and when any of these nerves are stimulated they generate an orgasm which comes from the brain, which is our biggest orgasm generating organ.  So whether its penile or prostate, you are simply stimulating nerves which the brain in turn generates an orgasm.  To me this has been proven by various people who can have nipple orgasms, belly orgasms, and even parapelegics who can have orgasms by rubbing certain areas on their arms. I think its more about nerve stimulation then the prostate itself.  This is what I believe.
  • AneRicoAneRico
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  • awired50awired50
    Posts: 131
    See my post on "Those who know " :D
  • BigGlansDCBigGlansDC
    Posts: 848
    Hi @awired50, I do not see your post on "Those who know."
  • DerpDerp
    Posts: 5
    I think the prostate is somewhat involved during normal intercourse. The pelvic thrusting will stimulate it, indirectly, thus yielding more pleasure, and a more powerful ejaculation. 
    None of this occurs when you jerk off, so it may be nature's way of encourage you to procreate, and not jerk off all day... 

    Derp
  • @Derp
    FWIW. When I jerk off, my prostate is simulated. This is just a straight jerk off, with no internal or external prostate stimulation, but my prostate is stimulated.
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    The fact that we can have sex many more times than is strictly necessary for reproduction SHOULD suggest to you that there was some other purpose for sex beyond reproduction.

    Why can older people (beyond reproductive age) still have sex?  Perhaps because the function and benefits to individual humans and to society are still active - even at an older age.  Why does homosexuality exist - it has NO reproductive purpose?  Beyond that, why does bisexuality exist, and why is it likely that an aspiration to bisexuality (if not in reality), is perhaps the most common expression of human sexuality?  What purpose can there be for sex between 2 men some of the time, and a man and a woman the rest of the time?

    Accept it - sex in humans has some other purpose beyond reproduction.

    A plausible scenario is that it had some community cohesion benefits, and in evolutionary terms, anything that gave us an edge over other species, was likely to be selected for and incorporated into our genome.

    There is no intent in nature - just randomness, upon which natural selection operates.  ONLY if a characteristic offers real advantage, will it be selected for, and so that sexual PURPOSE will have been essential for human development at some point.

    Sexually transmitted infections are a function of increased numbers and travel, and are not a reflection on the "badness" of sex itself.  Please let's not let ourselves (of all people) be swallowed up by self-loathing arguments about the rightness or wrongness of different forms of sexual activity.

    http://youtu.be/wmQcxZEh4UA


  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 868
    @Linum, magnificently put.   :)
  • BunkBunk
    Posts: 164
    All interesting stuff, but I think my original point was not explained very well. My point is, I'm heterosexual, so I instinctively know where my dick needs to go, or what I need to do to it, to get sexual pleasure, even if I was not taught it in school, I would still know. If I was gay I would still instinctively know the way I would like to have sex. But I've gone for all of my life thus far, less a few months, not knowing that I could get pleasure by awakening my PG. Therefore it is not instinctive, in fact if the world wide web had not existed, I still would not know. I've never felt the urge to stick something up my bum. It amazes me that the vast majority of men will go to their graves not knowing about this. This is my point, this is hidden, we need to discover it, but why is this the case..?
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 146
    @Bunk.
    I think it's quite common for heterosexual males to stick a finger up their ass while masturbating. It's not something you talk about coz it has gay associations, which is stupid when you think about it coz gays have a penis as well and that doesn't mean you're gay if you get pleasure from your penis anyway...so as far as instinct goes, perhaps in your case it worked the other way? Don't touch your ass coz that's gay.

    I think possibly the reason that we get pleasure from our prostate is coz we're male(penis)as well as female(asshole;gspot/prostate)
    Like the XX and XY chromosome
    Perhaps female is the default mode, if an X becomes a Y the g-spot becomes the prostate, the chlitoris becomes a penis etc

  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 868
    @Bunk, what is so interesting about humans is there is no end to self discovery. Some are adventures, some scientists, some musicians, some are spiritual questors seeking the inmost complexity of spirit, some seek the quantum connection of body mind. As one thing is found another question remains. Ancient texts abound in stories of the hidden treasure. Many will not bother and simply survive, some will seek and not find some will find. It seems human capacity is limitless - that is a problem for a random universe, but for a universe with purpose it makes sense. Just my late night thoughts.
    I would not be on this quest if I had not sort to find out why my prostate was having apoplexy and heart racing. A mind 'door' opened and I let my hangups go and moved into a new realm that was hidden. As I peeled the old layers away my world expanded. I am only limited by myself.
    There is another saying: "when the student is ready, the teacher will come"
  • awired50awired50
    Posts: 131
    @ BigglansDC The old post are not showing on the Aneros blog. Shows up on the Super O Blog "Those guys that think they aren't into this or the results of this Don't know !"
  • XilehXileh
    Posts: 372
    I think it is also our nature to take almost anything, and make it perform in ways the designers never anticipated. Sometimes it is good.

    Xileh
  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 868
    Perhaps humans have the capacity to create the change.
  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
    Posts: 765
    isvara said:

    Perhaps humans have the capacity to create the change.

    I 100% believe we do!

    TG

  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    @Bunk - I am not entirely sure that some men don't discover their multi-orgasmic abilities as naturally as the rest of us discover more conventional routes.

    I do know that some men report that they had to be told how to masturbate by their peers - it isn't as automatic as one would like to believe.  Even the more conventional techniques for getting pleasure are generally learnt, albeit learnt quickly.  Association of pleasure with a particular activity means that there is plenty of scope for variation, and therefore for discovery.

    I know of a man who always got off as a young adult by sticking things up his arse.  He is not multi-orgasmic, but he still finds that he cannot ejaculate any other way. The idea of masturbating his cock, or being the active partner in penetrative sex, just doesn't do it for him.

    Some gay men report accidental discoveries of repeated dry orgasms through anal sex.  Other straight and gay young men discover them through anal exploration and stimulation.

    Others may get p-waves or even mini-orgasms and not really know what they are - that was very much the case for me.  It was only after I got to the point of having repeated dry orgasms or super-Os that I recognised these earlier manifestations for what they were.

    I had to learn how to swim too.  That doesn't mean that some people don't discover the techniques for themselves, or that swimming is is some way unnatural.  And then of course, some people will learn, or come up with different techniques for swimming.

    As is often said "it is all part of the rich tapestry of life".  Try not to question it too hard, and learn to accept that the gaps in one's knowledge, allow for a sense of mystery and wonder at the joys that life has to offer.

    All the best

    Linum
  • AneRicoAneRico
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  • toolboxtoolbox
    Posts: 15
    It's naive to think everything is strictly precreated by nature or
    goddess. Not everything in this world has a specific sense, some things
    happen accidently. I read somewhere in the Wiki, that nerves which
    connect genitalia and brain are going through the rectal area, where
    they can be stimulated through prostate massage. These nerves just have
    to be somewhere, otherwise we wouldn't even experience pleasure through
    our penis (luck for us, that their way is like that, so we can stimulate these nerves not only through rubbing our outer genitalia).
    The
    explanation is good and more is just not to say about that. If you have
    fun to speculate about a higher sense or something similar, do so.
    I think it's just an accidently hidden feature of the human body. Not
    more, not less. But you will never get an accurate and 100 percent sure
    answer on this question so it may be not worth to think too long about
    it ;)

    edit: what's wrong with the format???
  • I encourage Bunk and everyone else, to keep asking questions. There are no dumb questions. When we advise people not to think too hard, we do them a disservice. Let them think. Better a thousand questions and one good answer, rather than no questions at all. I know it is human for us to tire of questioning, and to question the questioner, but I prefer to abstain from judging. Therefore, I accept the question posed and know that while the answer may not be a single easy answer, it is in the process of questioning that answers come, not as we might anticipate, or maybe not at all, but without the question, there is no chance for an answer. It is kind of like playing the lottery. Winning is a long shot, but if you don't play, it is a no shot.

    I don't pretend to have the answer to the question of why. Looking at nature, I see fruitfulness. One ejaculation contains so many sperm cells, yet only one is needed for fertilization. It is common in nature to have abundance, an over supply. As men, we who carry this life force within our balls, we live with oversupply as a function of our ability to procreate, by design (a real personality, God, not evolution, according to my faith). We also have an oversupply of pleasure capacity. What I mean is, we as men, and women, are created with the capacity to experience pleasure at a level way out of line with the needs of survival. My point is that it is not about survival of the species (the evolutionary view) rather is is about the fruitfulness by design that is built into nature at virtually all levels. Scientists are still discovering new species of life, both animal and plant. My faith teaches me that for eternity we will see new creation of endless variety, by a Creator who has an endless capacity to create, and be fruitful.

    The varieties of ways that we can experience pleasure, eating, sleeping, dreaming, sex, smelling, hearing, feeling the earth, dirt, in our fingers, flying a kite, sports of all sorts, running, swimming, sex of all kinds, attest to fruitfulness, and point to the first command given in the Bible: Be Fruitful and Multiply.

    While it is OK to question, it is also OK to say, I don't know, don't understand, with my mind, , but I enjoy, feel with my senses (those nerves in my body and brain.

    The blind man in the Bible whose sight was restored by Jesus did not know who Jesus was, he only knew that his sight had been restored and he could see. Often we don't understand how something happened, or why, we just know what we see, what we hear, what we feel, and that is the proof of the pudding.
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    @toolbox - I agree that there could be accidental occurrences.  In evolutionary terms, these could then be the raw material for evolution via natural selection.  In a sense - evolution depends on plenty of happy accidents.  There is no "intent" on the part of mother nature, these "accidents" are essentially random. However, only characteristics that offer real advantage to individuals would be passed on to their offspring- and I must admit that I enjoy wondering what that advantage would have been in this case.
  • A correction to my recent post: The blind man did not have his sight restored. According to the Bible story, he was born blind, and had never seen. Restore means to return to a former condition. I should have said that the blind man received sight. Imagine that you have never seen anything and, suddenly, in your 30's you can see perfectly. Talk about an eye opening experience. No wonder this man proclaimed that Jesus must have been a divine man to have given him sight. To suddenly see things that previously have only been felt, may be analogous to our Aneros experience. It is truly eye opening in the depth of its experience, and leaves us wondering how and why so few of us have been graced to "see" the wonder of the depth of sexual pleasure we can enjoy while so many stay blind to it. Well, the truth is, there were many blind men and women in the time of Jesus, but only a relative handful got to experience the eye opening healing power of Jesus. The rest remained blind.
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    @RayMitchell - I think your comment was referring to one I made.  I think if you read it again, you will see that I did NOT say don't think, just that we should (by implication) not over-think - which can be counter productive.

    Often, it is the imponderables in life, that give us our sense of spirituality - of something out of the ordinary and worthy of veneration.  Again, my plea was not to NOT think, but to accept graciously that some things are not understandable.  In fact to understand ALL there is about multiple-orgasms for instance, would take away some of the magic and the mystery for me.
  • My point, Linum, (and I speak with tremendous respect for you, I consider you my Guru in a sense) is that when we act as judges and encourage anyone to stop thinking, we do them a disservice.  When you encourage anyone not to over thnk, is that not in a sense, saying, think, but not too much, or to put it another way, think, but not too hard?  However you phrase it, it seems to be saying, stop thinking at some point.  I am encouraging you and everyone else to refrain from encouraging a limit on thinking.
  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 868
    My interpretation of Linum comment is when you over think you become so brain centered you lose inspiration that comes from the deeper mind. This works for me as my greatest break throughs happened when I relaxed and allow the inspiration to come.
  • @Isvara, what you say may be true for some but not necessarily for all. 
  • He who thinks too much, he who compares too much, will not have good sessions; because his mind is not clear.
  • @Pspotsquirter, who is to decide what is too much? What is too much for one, may not be enough for another. We must be careful when judging others. Thinking itself means different things to different people. Over analyzing may be a problem for an individual, but when we present that idea to an individual we must be careful to explain what we mean, and that it may not really be a problem for everyone, or even for that individual,

    I think it is better to over think, or think too much, than not to think at all. I say that because it is all relative, and there is no defined line for over thinking. Therefore I urge caution when advising someone about their questioning nature. Sometimes, we are very flippant with our judging and advising.
  • @Pspotsquirter, my use of the word flippant was bad. I meant it in the sense of being casual, not in the sense of being rude, or lacking respect or lacking seriousness. What I meant was that we have to be careful about giving casual blanket advice, that may or may not be appropriate to an individual, without making clear that our observation may not apply to a particular individual, and may not be the correct advice in every situation.

    I think it would be better to ask Bunk to think about his questioning. We should ask Bunk to consider the possibility that he may be over thinking. We also need to let him know that his questions are spot on in the sense that inquiry is good. Too often creativity is shut down when people are told they are thinking too much.
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    @RayMitchell - No one is judging, no one is setting limits to thinking - I think that is a bit of a red herring. To be fair it was you who brought up both these concepts.

    The only judge of whether one has thought too much, should be one's self.  The rest of us think that it is possible to think too much, not that it has actually happened.

    All the best to you

    Linum
  • @Linum, I am not here to place blame, or to accept it for anything. I am just telling you and everyone to please don't encourage people to limit thinking, which is what, I think, is meant by encouraging people not to over think.
  • didymusdidymus
    Posts: 101
    While I don't have a dog in this fight, how about this...

    Think but don't over analyze
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 146
    Think, but not DURING the session, then it's all about feeling.
    To come back again to my XYchromosome analogy.  Research has shown that more intelligent women often find it hard to orgasm during sex(possibly coz they're more in their head than in their body). So, when stimulating the female(X/anus) part, turn of the (thinking)man part and turn on the (feeling) female part
    Make sense?
    Nah, didn't think it would  ;)
  • Agreed @Ehm, think all you want, but when in session, it is time to feel. That is an opinion. If someone wants to take that advice, then do so. But, it is not a must. I say this to Bunk and others who may have similar questions. If you want to think during a session, do so. But, based on my own personal experience, I find that thinking during a session is counter productive. However, for you, it may actually help. Do what works for you. Listen to the advice of others, then do what works for you.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,395
    @RayMitchell,
    Perhaps we could add another line to Ecclesiastes 3 : 1-8
    "There is a time for everything..."
    a time to think and a time to feel, a time to Aneros and a time to not.

    IMHO, Aneros time is a time to feel not a time to think, outside your Anerosession is a time to think, analyze, reflect and plan.
    image Good Vibes to You ! image

  • Theme_GasmTheme_Gasm
    Posts: 765
    rumel said:

    @RayMitchell,
    Perhaps we could add another line to Ecclesiastes 3 : 1-8
    "There is a time for everything..."
    a time to think and a time to feel, a time to Aneros and a time to not.

    IMHO, Aneros time is a time to feel not a time to think, outside your Anerosession is a time to think, analyze, reflect and plan.

    image Good Vibes to You ! image


    Perfectly stated IMHO! This line of thinking has been validated time and again during my short journey, and it is soooo accurate!

    TG

  • awired50awired50
    Posts: 131
    What TG said :)