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The Key to sexual stimulation freedom (ie. no risk of ejaculation and still get the cookie)
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    Ok, so for the past couple of weeks I have gained the ability to have whole body super o's with penile stimulation.
    I just read part of a PDF by B Mayfield that helped me a lot in putting these ideas in words, so thanks!. There's a part where it says that during the orgasm phase, two separate phases happen emission and ejaculation. During ejaculation the bladder sphincter closes shut, and that's the key.

    Guys who already do kegels are far more apt to learn that guys who don't. But guys who do kegels AND pay very close attention to what they're feeling will be able to discern a key difference. Experienced aneros users will be able to get this quickly because of strong anal and PC muscles, maybe not right away but you've got 80% of the job done.

    Pay close attention to PC muscles, you have to know them (it?) like the palm of your hand, you have to be able to move it as good and precise as your tongue, because as long as you don't shut your bladder sphincter, you won't ejaculate. It's not a binary kind of muscle (on or off, contracted or relaxed, 1 or 0), it can actually move many different ways, varying pressure on different areas.

    I've found out that there are certain ways to contract PC muscles along with the anus, that creates a LOT of pleasure without shutting the bladder sphincter. It is so much pleasure that it may feel very weird and uncomfortable at first. GET USED TO IT, LEARN HOW TO RECOGNIZE IT AND SPEND TIME WITH IT, no matter how uncomfortable. You actually know this kind of pleasure but naturally avoid it, without noticing. With traditional masturbation, as soon as you feel a little bit of this "uncomfortable" pleasure, you naturally shut your bladder sphincter, leading to ejaculation after a while, you just went "the wrong way".
    What you actually have to do is get used to that uncomfortable but pleasurable feeling, spend as much time as you can with it (probably just 1 or 2 seconds at first), and when you just can't hold it any longer (too ticklish, too weird feeling, too uncomfortable) instead of falling into shutting your bladder sphincter (which is what you will naturally tend to do), you shut your anal sphincter and every muscle close to the anus that helps you mimic a "sucking motion". If done right, you won't feel the urge to shut your bladder sphincter and pleasure/warmth/ticklish sensation/however you feel it, will travel up through your spine and to your head. You will also feel electric non pleasurable currents on other parts of your body, just pay attention to it, these are your erogenous zones waking up and getting ready for action. You will feel blood moving everywhere in your body, creating heat on various areas. Those electric currents and hot spots are not pleasurable, but they're a very good sign that you are doing things right. Keep going! You are doing great! :)

    After doing this a couple of times, your body will be turned on, blood and pleasurable currents will be flowing everywhere, your temperature will rise and you'll be able to pleasure yourself through erogenous zones (inner thighs for example), do it even more times and eventually your penis will get hard. Then, my friend, is when you can use it all you want and not ejaculate. You will be able to feel with it as much as you want, and you will feel a very "clean" pleasure, with no risk of ejaculation as long as you don't shut your bladder sphincter for too long, which means that you will have to go back to the "uncomfortable" pleasure and feed it to your body again, only that now up to this point, it won't feel uncomfortable anymore, it will feel extremely sexy and arousing. So then you just keep going back and forth as many times as you want, sucking energy up your spine, like you do with a straw. Keep doing it and eventually currents of orgasmic pleasure will flood your body and will lead to whole body orgasms, which believe me, to this day I haven't found a limit for it. It can keep going, getting more and more intense.


    I'll try to describe how to get the "uncomfortable" pleasure. First, it's the back area of the PC muscles that you should contract the most, along with your anus, while the front part of PC muscles must be kept relaxed (or else you won't get the uncomfortableness). If done right, you'll feel as though you are pushing your prostate down... as though a bag of sand was halfway falling down a table (the table being the contracted portion of PC muscles). Think of Dali's melting clocks. After you are able to recognize the way to get to that sensation and recreate it every time you want, you should start exploring other ways to move your PC muscles without shutting down your bladder sphincter. I can create a kind of V shaped contraction (along the perineum) which doesn't shut the bladder sphincter. The idea is always to find new ways to tease your prostate in that way, always finding new ways to create uncomfortable pleasure. The more uncomfortable pleasure you create, the more pleasure can flow up your spine, to your brain and to your whole body. Relax in such a way that it fills up with blood, contract slightly only on the sides, contract slightly only on the back, even contract slightly on the front, but that's when you dominate this technique, you can actually kind of strech your prostate, twist it a little bit. All of these various movements, done with PC muscles, will help create uncomfortable pleasure as long as the bladder sphincter isn't closed.

    Do all this without the aneros first, learn how to use your PC muscles to stimulate your prostate and feel it hands free. Once you master this, do it with the aneros in and it will do all its magic every time.
    By the way, after your body is turned on and your penis just got hard, it's extremely arousing to lay down on the bed with your tummy down and lift your butt up slightly in the air while creating more "uncomfortable" pleasure, which by that time, as I said, won't be uncomforatble but very pleasurable.

    The more you practice you'll be able to reduce the "forbidden contracting zone" on your PC muscles to a much smaller area. At first it will be like 50/50, ie. the back portion of your PC muscles and the front portion.

    As a rule of thumb, if it feels good immediately, you've shut down your bladder sphincter. Stop as soon as you realise this, you don't want to feed that way, or else you'll either have to wait a lot and stop all stimulation, or keep going and ejaculate fast.

    1) Lay on the bed with your legs slightly spread. You can also be in a semi sitting position... actually I've found that the position women adopt to have babies is the best (with your feet on the bed)
    2) Start exploring your PC muscles, look for the uncomfortable pleasure zone.
    3) Build uncomfortable pleasure until you can't hold it any longer
    4) when '3)' happens, this pleasure will force you to go either way. To your penis by shutting your bladder sphincter, or up your body by contracting anal and back of PC muscles.
    5) Keep doing this, you're actually feeding your whole body and getting it ready for pleasure, it will be turned on after a while.
    6) Your penis will get hard, and it will feel a very "clean" pleasure, with no ejaculation urge.
    7) Remember to feed uncomfortable pleasure to your body once in a while, the whole body orgasm is reached mainly by this kind of pleasure, but the penis is to this like what salt is to food, it just makes it so much better... but you don't normally just eat salt alone.
    8) Eventually you will be able to go nuts and don't ejaculate even while contracting the bladder sphincter. This is when your body is working at 100% and in a multi orgasmic state.
    9) After you decide you are done, repeat whenever you feel like it.

    Remember that this incredible machine, your body, must be turned on first, it's a slow build up, but totally worth it.


    Opinions? comments? experiences? feedback? :)

    JMay


    Edit to add a very important piece of information:

    In a nutshell:
    Start with your penis soft, don't make it erect, eventually it will do it by itself, when that happens, maintain that relaxed state. After a while you'll be able to play.

    You are opening a new pathway for orgasmic pleasure to flow, so that you can orgasm inwards up your spine, to your brain and through your whole body.
    ·When your nervous system is charged up, it's on, it can process this powerful orgasmic energy, so when you stimulate your penis, when orgasm comes, instead of being expelled outwards, it travels inwards.
    ·When your nervous system isn't charged up, as in traditional masturbation, your nervous system can't process or recieve orgasmic energy, instead it releases it through the penis via ejaculation.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 707
    @JMay,
    Thank you so much for this thread!
    I am about far enough into the Aneros journey that I can follow what you are trying to get us to do and I very much look forward to giving this some practice.
    I have decided to print it out so that I can study it more closely at my leisure and will have it available for reference.
    I'm also looking forward to the results lol!
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,194
    JMay,

    Fascinating.  I gave it a try.  I see what you mean.  VERY INTERESTING.

    Here is how I interpreted this.  I discovered that when I apply penis stimulation I can feel a clamping of a muscle that feels "higher up in my pelvis" and makes my penis throb.  I am not sure that is the bladder sphincter, which might be involuntary and on ejaculation only.

    But regardless it is VERY POWERFUL if you relax that clamping, and don't let it happen.  I agree that it gives the pelvis a confused signal which feels weird.   But if you persist the pelvis redirects its contraction efforts, like you say, lower into the prostate and anus, which, just like you say, gives a beautiful pure pleasure.  Keep on going and those lower muscles start to quiver, etc, and will go into a soft blissful orgasm state.  

    I am looking forward to becoming more adept at this and hope i can apply significant penis stimulation while doing MMO.

    JMay, pending what others say about this, I think you have made a brilliant discovery.  In all my readings about MMO, which have been extensive, I have never seen this simple trick described.

    Darwin
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
    Posts: 242
    I can't wait to try this. Now I just need to do kegals more often!
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    @Pommie

    You're welcome!
    Just remember that you have to pay close attention to what's happening first, which means that the only thing that you can force is your PC and anal muscles. When someone pays attention, he doesn't talk, ie. don't force things ;)


    Awesome! 
    After a while, your body gets used to the movements that got you into "multiple orgasm state", and that sucking motion up your spine happens naturally, and every time it feels more defined, like a strong current of "something" that naturally flows up.
    I remember a technique here where you're supposed to contract about 60% with the aneros in so that after a while the involuntaries start happening. I think it's related to what I'm describing here.

    Also I think that when one is using Aneros, and things start getting good and you lose it because you start forcing things, you're actually shutting down your bladder sphincter, which cuts all the flow.

    edit: By the way darwin, and everyone else, if you can't find that "uncomfortable" pleasure, start with a full sustained PC contraction, it will activate the "wrong way" and create more tension, which should be released by contracting back of PC muscles and anus and flow up your spine.


    Strech before you start! It helps a lot, strech your legs, your spine (practice moving it like a snake), your neck, etc. It gets blood flowing more easily. Also go to the bathroom before.
    As I said, at first you have to do this things consciously, but after a while it goes on its own. Just pay attention.
    By the way, don't feel discouraged if you can't find the uncomfortable pleasure, sometimes it's harder but it gets easier to find with practice. Pay attention, sometimes you aren't contracting your anus at all for whatever reason for example.

    Good luck!
  • legace
    Posts: 128
    what is the "back pc muscle" , you mean the tail bone or around the penis.
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    I'd love to hear how it goes, your opinions, your own insights, etc.




     @legace

    The ones closer to the butt, while keeping the ones closer to the penis relaxed.
  • Alex_xxx
    Posts: 403
    Hmm.. I have problems understanding the goal of the method. Is the goal to have a traditional orgasm but without actually ejaculating? 

    And to practice the muscle involved in keeping the bladder spinchter open we might have to bring ourselves to the point where we almost ejaculate to pinpoint the muscle? Or?

    Great thread btw.. I love new tips :)
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 834
    so in a nutshell, masturbate while holding a contraction on the lower pc muscle while keeping the front upper pc muscle open/uncontracted??  If you feel your bladder shut, then stop and repeat until that uncomfortable feeling comes?
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    @ineverknew

    Yes but not quite. It's a build up, first your body must be ready, then your penis will get hard, not the other way round. If you do it the other way round, you must've started by shutting down your bladder sphincter, erection gets energy from that uncomfortable pleasure. 
    When your penis starts getting hard, don't go crazy right away, you can feel it a little bit, and fall back, then feel it a little more and fall back. The key is to never trap these pleasurable feelings on the penis but keep them flowing in your whole body. Eventually your body will be so turned on that it will be very hard to trap your energy in your penis, which leads to ejaculation.

    Think of your body like inflating a new balloon. At first it's harder to fill it with air, but eventually it loosens up.
    Ah and also, you have to create that sucking motion, this uncomfortable pleasure must go somewhere, if it has nowhere else to go but your penis, it will force itself there, leading to a very familiar kind of pleasure and erection right away.

    Think of it this way... is it uncomfortable to have an erection? It's a release, instead of releasing through erection, you release it up your spine.



    The goal of this method is firstly to have fun, if you're not having fun it won't work (so don't try to achieve something specifical, just uncomfortable pleasure and then pull it up your spine. Your body will know what to do next)
    Secondly, the goal is to turn your body on, to get blood flowing everywhere, so that your whole body is able to recieve pleasure, not just your penis. If your penis works as your only pleasure reciever you'll inevitably ejaculate. If pleasure has more space to move, it can create orgasmic waves of pleasure that amplify with more stimulation.
    Stimulation must be controlled at first, eventually pleasure takes over and your body goes crazy without ejaculating.

    Don't start with your penis hard. Start playing with your PC muscles, create uncomfortable pleasure. If that uncomfortable pleasure goes to your penis, it will make it erect, so now you know you did it wrong.

    Just give it time, be patient, it's a slow build up but totally worth it.

    Edit: Alex, the goal is to wake up your nervous system. When you orgasm from your penis, instead of orgasming outwards via ejaculation, all that orgasmic feeling travels up your spine, to your brain, and expand through your whole body. Imagine that, being able to masturbate all you want without the risk of ejaculating, because you won't release energy outwards but inwards.
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
    Posts: 242
    can you explain the sucking motion a little more? You mean like trying to pull an aneros further in you? Or like trying to suck in air or what? Thanks:)
  • JMay
    Posts: 113

    can you explain the sucking motion a little more? You mean like trying to pull an aneros further in you? Or like trying to suck in air or what? Thanks:)




    Yes! It's like trying to pull the aneros further in, but try to do that without the aneros first, you must learn to work with your body without the aneros, but it's a good start.
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    darwin said:

    But regardless it is VERY POWERFUL if you relax that clamping, and don't let it happen.  I agree that it gives the pelvis a confused signal which feels weird.   But if you persist the pelvis redirects its contraction efforts, like you say, lower into the prostate and anus, which, just like you say, gives a beautiful pure pleasure.  Keep on going and those lower muscles start to quiver, etc, and will go into a soft blissful orgasm state.  

    It is pure pleasure, yes, but what I meant by that was a pleasurable feedback from the penis. I may have expressed myself wrong.

    When you masturbate as always, you have to stop stimulating your penis eventually, otherwise you'll ejaculate, right? And you know, you feel, from the beginning that after a while you will ejaculate.

    Pure pleasure as I was refering to, is penile stimulation without that feeling of "If I keep doing this I will ejaculate", so there's no need to hold back. It's paradise, you can masturbate all you want and from there create orgasmic currents that flow up your spine, to your brain and expand throughout your entire body. When reaching orgasm, instead of orgasming outwards (ejaculation) you orgasm inwards, so the more penile stimulation the better. Basically you feed your entire nervous system with sexual energy. Maybe you're "opening" your nervous system, ready to recieve pleasure.

    With traditional masturbation, that pleasure can't travel up your spine, instead it is released through your penis via ejaculation.

    Makes sense?

    JMay
  • Alex_xxx
    Posts: 403
    Ok.. I think I understand you now.. The painful pleasure you say you get while doing this is not painful to me though, but I still think I get where you are going with this.

    What you're describing is actually a huge part of what I do before I super-o. So the electric waves you described is a supermild version of my superO. Multiply it with 20 and with a release, then you got my superO.

    But with this method of yours involving penile stimulation you say that we should keep the bladder spinchter open.... But the bladder spinchter is closed unless you pee. What stops pee when ejaculating is actually closing the urinary tract. Are you suggesting that you keep the urinary tract open?

    If so I recommend that you continue what you're doing with caution. I think this might prone you to a disorder called retrograde ejaculation. This means that your sperm actually travels up into your bladder instead of being ejaculated out through your penis. This might be the the effect of what you are describing... If so, this could render you infertile.
  • JMay
    Posts: 113

    It isn't painful, it's uncomfortable, like when you stick your head out of the car window at full speed, you tend to swallow constantly and can't breathe properly.

    Those electric waves don't serve the purpose of pleasure AFAIK, but they wake up your nervous system. If you get shivers from doing this you're doing it right.

    Yes, I'm suggesting keeping the urinary tract open, it's a natural mechanism in the body. When you pee, you can't ejaculate, when you ejaculate, you can't pee.

    I've had retrograde ejaculations but not by this method. After a retrograde ejaculation I lose erection even if nothing comes out, then I go to the bathroom and sperm can be seen in urine. It has happened to me a couple of times, making it an extremely rare event, but as I said, not using this method, haven't found sperm in my urine afterwards. I'll be cautious anyway thanks. :)

    Your orgasm isn't lost through your penis, it doesn't leave your body, It travels up your spine, to the brain and expands to the whole body, and you can be stroking/humping/thrusting as much as you want and sustain an orgasmic state. Try to unlearn what you believe.

    If you combine this and aneros, you'll blow up your mind.
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
    Posts: 242
    @Alex_xxx dude where do you get your information? I don't mean to be rude or call you out, but retrograde ejac is a.) really common. b.)not a disorder and c.) Not dangerous. The only reason it can cause 'male infertility' is because the sperm isn't entering your partner. Having a normal ejac would offset that. Not trying to be rude, but you seem to state a lot of unfounded premises as facts...
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
    Posts: 242
    @Jmay do you think you could use this technique with a partner??
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    @MMO_RPGlol

    I've done it a couple of times but it's harder to control because penile stimulation is more intense, so it's easier to "lose it" halfway through, but like any skill, you can practice and eventually master it. My recommendation is that you first master it on your own. Penetrating someone in this state is pure bliss.

    By the way, it seems that having the way clear (no feces or urine) is a must. After a bowel movement blood can flow more freely.

    And, I just recently found out that doing a full contraction of PC muscles first "wakes up" the ejaculation way, but afterwards you do a full relaxation and then you should start playing with PC muscles without shutting the urinary tract. It's easier to find the uncomfortableness.

    I'd love to know how it goes.

    JMay
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,194
    While i think JMay's insight is very valuable, I am still not sure he is correct in his anatomy.

    I do not think what he is recommending we relax is the "bladder sphincter."  There are two urinary sphincters, as described here:

    The internal sphincter is part of the bladder, shuts tight during ejaculation and is not under voluntary control.  This is the muscle that sometimes causes trouble with men who have urination issues, and is removed, for example, by a TURP procedure.

    The external sphincter is closed except when you decide to pee.  It is under your control.

    I think that JMay's insight is correct, but I just don't think he has the right muscle.  

    Here is a page about the male pelvic floor muscles:

    I wonder if maybe the "upper muscle" JMay is referring to, and telling us to keep relaxed, is this:

    And the ones that we use for MMO is the PC muscle.  Here is a female anatomy picture which shows both muscles.  You can see how we'd feel the Bulbo as "upper" and the PC as "lower":

    In any case, the muscle to relax is the one that makes your cock and cock head throb.

    darwin
      
  • Alex_xxx
    Posts: 403

    @Alex_xxx dude where do you get your information? I don't mean to be rude or call you out, but retrograde ejac is a.) really common. b.)not a disorder and c.) Not dangerous. The only reason it can cause 'male infertility' is because the sperm isn't entering your partner. Having a normal ejac would offset that. Not trying to be rude, but you seem to state a lot of unfounded premises as facts...







    Hmm.. well, Ph.d. jeyendran wrote that it was.
    http://books.google.no/books?id=op1UreMvkkcC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=retrograde+ejaculation+boys&source=bl&ots=pcuOHP9NNQ&sig=CKNiItbteO2-dWsvJZCs6Xodi84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LtjUUYCAMun_4QTe0oHgBg&ved=0CCQQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=retrograde ejaculation boys&f=false

    I do however agree that you're still fertile as long as you can change between the methods.

    Where did you get your information that it can't be dangerous?

    What things do I state to be fact? Are you referring to my far out theory thread where you lacked proof of experiences beeing recorded in DNA? Well there is no proof, it's a theory, thats all:)

    Well it's not a fact that you can move energy around your body either, but ALOT of people here believe that we can.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,194
    guys,

    please do not derail this thread with a flame war!

    darwin
  • Alex_xxx
    Posts: 403
    @Darwin, I totally agree. If he has a problem with my posts he can PM me.

    Now that thats said, I did it.. The orgasm was great. I actually noticed that I deferred the physical stimulation/feelings down to the back PC muscle from the penis. And the orgasm was twice as good... But I did ejaculate some when I finally had an orgasm. But now I have this burning/tingling sensation from my pelvis and down to my penis. It helps to pee slowly though. I guess that is sperm in the urin @JMay?

    Thanks for the tip/method! I'll be doing it again even though it stings a bit afterwards... :) that says alot!
  • legace
    Posts: 128


    i have a method where i try to pee on the exhale, which relaxes those muscles. than on the inhale imagine thrusting your penis without actually moving, just creating tension. i`ll try locating these "back pc muscles"

    also trying to imagine relaxing your rectum and anal muscles while slowly stiming penis
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    darwin said:

    While i think JMay's insight is very valuable, I am still not sure he is correct in his anatomy.


    I do not think what he is recommending we relax is the "bladder sphincter."  There are two urinary sphincters, as described here:

    The internal sphincter is part of the bladder, shuts tight during ejaculation and is not under voluntary control.  This is the muscle that sometimes causes trouble with men who have urination issues, and is removed, for example, by a TURP procedure.

    The external sphincter is closed except when you decide to pee.  It is under your control.

    I think that JMay's insight is correct, but I just don't think he has the right muscle.  

    Here is a page about the male pelvic floor muscles:

    I wonder if maybe the "upper muscle" JMay is referring to, and telling us to keep relaxed, is this:

    And the ones that we use for MMO is the PC muscle.  Here is a female anatomy picture which shows both muscles.  You can see how we'd feel the Bulbo as "upper" and the PC as "lower":

    In any case, the muscle to relax is the one that makes your cock and cock head throb.

    darwin
      



    Thanks! It's always better to know what's really going on, you can perfect techniques that way :)
    I'm not a doctor hahaha, but what I'm trying to describe here still works for me ;)

    Sorry, I just saw it... YES! That makes sense! Bulbospongiosus muscle, that's the one to keep relaxed... I think... it feels like it. :)

    In males it contributes to erectionejaculation, and the feelings of orgasm

    So basically, start by holding back erection and feelings of orgasm, but still tease your prostate...
    I think the uncomfortable feeling is holding back feelings of orgasm, you're used to feel that right away, and when you don't it creates tension which must go somewhere else... "suck" it up your spine.
  • JMay
    Posts: 113
    Alex_xxx said:

    @Darwin, I totally agree. If he has a problem with my posts he can PM me.

    Now that thats said, I did it.. The orgasm was great. I actually noticed that I deferred the physical stimulation/feelings down to the back PC muscle from the penis. And the orgasm was twice as good... But I did ejaculate some when I finally had an orgasm. But now I have this burning/tingling sensation from my pelvis and down to my penis. It helps to pee slowly though. I guess that is sperm in the urin @JMay?

    Thanks for the tip/method! I'll be doing it again even though it stings a bit afterwards... :) that says alot!




    You did it wrong, but you're getting there, you have to relax the bulbospongicious muscle even more. Before I could finally understand this method and perfect it after a lot of trial and error I ended up with a burning sensation sometimes, but no retrograde ejaculation whatsoever.
    When I had retrograde ejac. I could see the urine was very different from normal urine in the water before flushing it.
    Once you perfect it, no burning sensation.
  • twlltintwlltin
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    Last night in bed, I used this technique to start a -less session. No masturbation, just relaxation. All I can say at the moment is "Wow!"
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,194
    Guys,

    I think we can take retrograde ejaculation out of this discussion.  The muscle we are talking about does not relate to it, nor can you induce retrograde ejaculation.   Retrograde ejaculation is caused by a failure or the absence of the internal urinary sphincter, which we have no control over.  Men who have a TURP procedure have that sphincter removed to improve urine flow and as a result have permanent RE.  They are usually well past child rearing age.

    The method we are talking about here is about male multiple orgasm (MMO), and therefore about non-ejaculatory orgasm.  No ejaculation reflex and no refractory period.

    Darwin
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 834
    @jmay,  I tried this method a few times yesterday.  Let me preface this with the fact that I have always used the do nothing approach but have tried muscle contractions now and again.  I have a pretty good feel for the muscles we are talking about and can contract the back pc muscle seperatly from the front one.  So holding a contraction on the back pc muscle and anal contraction i started getting nothing but pleasureable feelings just like a normal less session, lots of precum leaking, eventually a couple of large involuntary contractions.  I did get a hard on at one point and played around with it, but wasnt really sure what else to do from there.  Eventually the feelings were lost and never did get any uncomfortable feelings.  Any suggestions?  I did notice when I had a hard on that it was more difficult to tell if I was still holding the contraction and if it was just the back and not both the front and back pc muscles.
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    You've certainly started something off here for me, with the "relax the BC, contract the PC" idea.

    In shower today I did this in conjunction with some nipple stim, alternating between penis and nipples for a few minutes. At no point did I feel near the point of no return, but there were ripples of pleasure spreading out through my body.

    Much later on, having only recently been for a pee, I was driving and without thinking did the same contraction. I had the "uncomfortable" feeling similar to wanting to pee, but it was subtly different and on the edge of pleasure/discomfort, even possibly nausea.

    More experimentation needed! ;)
  • legace
    Posts: 128
    if someone would write a dumbed down version, that would be great. am i just contracting the anal muscle and behind(towards tailbone)- not the perineum . Then those muscles both stims the prostate and forces it up the spine?
  • JMay
    Posts: 113

    @jmay,  I tried this method a few times yesterday.  Let me preface this with the fact that I have always used the do nothing approach but have tried muscle contractions now and again.  I have a pretty good feel for the muscles we are talking about and can contract the back pc muscle seperatly from the front one.  So holding a contraction on the back pc muscle and anal contraction i started getting nothing but pleasureable feelings just like a normal less session, lots of precum leaking, eventually a couple of large involuntary contractions.  I did get a hard on at one point and played around with it, but wasnt really sure what else to do from there.  Eventually the feelings were lost and never did get any uncomfortable feelings.  Any suggestions?  I did notice when I had a hard on that it was more difficult to tell if I was still holding the contraction and if it was just the back and not both the front and back pc muscles.




    Personally, when trying another approach (I got to think a bit how I used to do it... I'm hooked on this method) I have lots of precum leaking. In fact one thing that changed a lot for me was that. I used to start aneros sessions with a little traditional stimulation and then use the precum as lube, it worked great. Halfway during the session I'd use the precum that I released as lube again, ad infinitum.

    Now when trying this one I've realised that I release no precum. What happens is that excitation levels rise, I feel more and more aroused, and eventually when orgasmic feelings start, I can sustain the orgasmic "peak" for a loooong time, with no ejaculation whatsoever. It's like turning the volume up and keep it up, going in a traditional penile stimulation frenzy that helps me maintain the orgasm, and then you can actually explore the "orgasm zone", things can get pretty intense but your base pleasure level becomes the first pleasure level. If I release any amount of precum before multiple orgasms start I know I went somewhere along the way to the wrong path. I get an orgasm much more intense that with traditional masturbation, but I still ejaculate... now that I think of it, I can ejaculate many times if I keep going, it takes some concentration but I can have many orgasms with no refractory period. I'd call it a "halfway method", I get intense orgasms, not as intense as the other ones but much more intense than the "traditional" mono orgasm.


    As insight... I'm guessing you're clenching too strong your PC muscles. You actually have to vary pressure, try 30% contraction, see how it feels, 40%, see how it feels... etc. You do a full contraction when you want to push energy up your spine. Just picture it, be aware of your whole spine and head, sometimes it happens that I feel nothing on my spine but it already reached my head. The feeling on the spine may happen later during the session.
  • JMay
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    twlltin said:

    You've certainly started something off here for me, with the "relax the BC, contract the PC" idea.


    In shower today I did this in conjunction with some nipple stim, alternating between penis and nipples for a few minutes. At no point did I feel near the point of no return, but there were ripples of pleasure spreading out through my body.

    Much later on, having only recently been for a pee, I was driving and without thinking did the same contraction. I had the "uncomfortable" feeling similar to wanting to pee, but it was subtly different and on the edge of pleasure/discomfort, even possibly nausea.

    More experimentation needed! ;)


    I'm actually very happy for that
    be sure to tell us any updates or new findings you can come up with!

    legace said:

    if someone would write a dumbed down version, that would be great. am i just contracting the anal muscle and behind(towards tailbone)- not the perineum . Then those muscles both stims the prostate and forces it up the spine?




    What travels up the spine is a kind of sweet blood flow, pleasurable flow of something... it could be also felt like warmth, a ticklish feeling, electricity, it can provoke shivers too.
    Be sure to play with different amounts of pressure. I feel most discomfort with the almost slightest pressure.
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
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    @jmay I realized I have had this exact feeling before. The electricity feeling took complete control of my lower half but never went up my spine. I'm going to keep working on this. Honestly, your idea has me more excited than I have ever been before! Thanks dude!
  • JMay
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    @MMO_RPGlol

    You're welcome!
    Two more things to add to the mix. After enough "relax BC, contract PC" play, eventually your penis will start to get erect. If you just keep relaxing BC, contracting PC, you won't get a full erection. Maybe you can keep doing that all the time and no full erection ill happen, just a halfway erection. When you realise nothing else is changing much in your penis, start soft, slight, controled stimulation. Things are still not ready, I'm guessing you already got used to feed pleasurable energy to your body while  flaccid, now it's time to do it while halfway and then fully erect. After you are able to feed pleasure to your body during different erection stages you'll be in control.
    The other thing that I wanted to add is that maybe one day you don't feel in tune with your body, if so, don't get frustrated, always enjoy the ride, if you and your body are not disposed today to practice this, it will happen tomorrow. Sometimes you just feel ready to start doing this. Other times it takes more concentration, it still can be done, but it takes more time too.
  • twlltintwlltin
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    This all sounds a little like the "hot draw".
  • euphemisticeuphemistic
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    I think I'm on the right track. I've isolated the PC muscle from the pee control muscle. I get uncomfortable pleasure that becomes pleasurable as I continue. It flows down to my toes and up to my nipples. My penis gets hard but not like it's needing anything. But I don't get any feelings of energy or pleasure to my head other than the pleasure that is already there because of what I'm doing. Perhaps this is what people are talking about but there's no orgasm, just continued pleasure. The "avoiding the pee control muscle" thing seems to keep the pleasure going indefinitely and my body below my nipples is very sexualized, but no further. I find the snake movements most useful and picturing the sexual energy rising to my head. But no orgasms.

    Someone said:

    "You are opening a new pathway for orgasmic pleasure to flow, so that you can orgasm inwards up your spine, to your brain and through your whole body. ·When your nervous system is charged up, it's on, it can process this powerful orgasmic energy, so when you stimulate your penis, when orgasm comes, instead of being expelled outwards, it travels inwards."

    Are these dry orgasms that you are referring to? I assume so. So by this statement, my whole body isn't eroticised and that's why I'm not getting the dry O's. What am I missing?

    Someone said:

    "Pure pleasure as I was refering to, is penile stimulation without that feeling of "If I keep doing this I will ejaculate", so there's no need to hold back. It's paradise, you can masturbate all you want and from there create orgasmic currents that flow up your spine, to your brain and expand throughout your entire body."

    I get get the whole body orgasm current thing and it's great. It lasts for hours after a session with or without the aneros. Is that all there is?

    The description of this effects of this technique sounds like the kundalini process to me. Not the full kundalini awakening but the drawing of the energy up the spine to the head. Anyone knowledgeable in kundalini out there?


  • JMay
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    @euphemistic

    Do you remember old televisions? I think they used cathodes that should gain some temperature first before the TV was on, it took some time, though. I think you are in that stage just before the screen turns on and the tv starts working.
    When in that state that you're describing, try a little more agressive stimulation, but don't let yourself go yet, go slowly, if it gets too good too soon you won't get it. Instead of spending all that build up pleasure right away, you feed it yet again to your body. After doing that, carefuly, eventually you reach a point somewhere when you feel that you can let go and do whatever you please because there's zero risk of ejaculation, you just know you've reached that point. I think what you're missing now is recognize that next phase.
    The orgasmic pleasure can get pretty intense, make your whole body spasm, your eyes may look upwards involuntarily, you need to feel something against you and touch it, be it your partner, the bed, or whatever. Things can get pretty lovey dovey too.

    Just pay attention, don't try to feel anything specific, it helps if you picture some things in your mind, but that's just to help yourself pay more attention. Don't expect anything in particular, your body during arousal feels very different than your body cooled down, even your pinky finger, just pay attention, you'll know where to go next by how it feels.

    I've never gotten into kundalini, but it has come to my mind while doing this too. I'd also like to know if this is related to that practice.
  • Malmo1
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    Hello guys,

    I hope you all are well, It's been some time since I was here :)

    I think this is very interesting, but I have some question.

    When using the PC muscle, am I suppose to use the outher spinchter to?
    And am I suppose to contract and release like the Kegel or contract and hold to that weird feeling come and then try to pusch it up the spine (and with which muscle do I do that)?

    I really dont get this :)

    If you guys feel like explaining it in steps I would really appriciate it to specify exact which muscles you use and which to avoid. It's me who is dumb. So sorry for that.

    Malmo
  • JMay
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    @Malmo

    You can use the outer sphincter too, in fact if you hold a contraction eventually it feels really good on its own, the anus is full of happy nerve endings, and it has nothing to do with being gay or straight.
    It's a combination of muscles or movements you have to do to push the feeling up the spine. I can't really describe which muscles are they, but take a look at this image
    PC muscles, a side view. I think you have to contract only those on the back, and the one that's under the penis you can contract it only slightly (a twitch) I can't stress that enough (though at first don't contract it at all, first get to know the other ones). If you contract the BC muscle too much, you'll get an erection before your whole body is ready. Try to differentiate between the muscle that's under the penis and the one that's on top. If you can contract only the one that's on top and leave the one on the bottom relaxed you should be able to do it IMHO.

    As a rule of thumb: Allow pleasure to grow. When you allow someone or something to be on its own, that's what you do, you give it space, time and tools to express itself. When using the BC muscle you are not allowing pleasure to be, you are forcing it on your penis. Once everything is warmed up and set up, then you can force your penis, but don't forget the rest of your body, be always aware, eventually you'll be able to lose yourself in pleasure.
    What I'm trying to say with that is that everything is allowed, except forcing pleasure down your penis, so don't overthink it (which muscles should I contract?), just try all that you can come up with, try slight contractions, half contractions, full contractions. Slight sustained contractions, slight but short contractions, etc.
    You have to give your body the chance to find what is pleasurable for it. The pleasure that is felt through the penis is much "louder" than the pleasure that your body feels, so first your body then your penis.

    When you've done it right, if you touch your penis it will be extra sensitive, but not in an uncomfortable way, you can actually feel a clear difference between what your skin feels, how pressure feels, how its shape feels, etc. It's kind of like... much more awake, and it's not "stressed" with pleasure.

    Think of this as a sport, an ability where you involve everything: your concentration, your muscles, your heart rate, your breath, etc.
    You can reach higher levels of pleasure, I guarantee that to you, but you can't be the best martial artist in the world without practicing before (that is, getting to know your body, getting to feel your body, getting to move your body, etc.)
  • JMay
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    twlltin said:

    This all sounds a little like the "hot draw".



    Which one?
  • Love_isLove_is
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    @JMay  - Thank you for writing this up. Much like Darwin mentioned, as a long time Aneros user I knew there had to be some way this was possible for penile stimulation to not cause ejaculation. As there are a few members here in the forum who have gone that route. But I don't think they were ever able to explain in such detail how they do it without ejaculating. I'd have to say though, that I don't think I'd recommend your technique for new Aneros users. As there is too much ingrained training of us men getting pleasure from our penis's that some can't, or have a very difficult time discovering the other pleasures from their anus and prostate. I was one of these. It took me a long time to get to where I am of enjoying pleasurable, although non-orgasmic Aneros sessions.

    The thing to remember that has taken me a long time to figure out, is that everybody's body has different sexual responses. While I'm still hesitant to recommend your technique to new Aneros users, I certainly understand that my Aneros experience is not necessarily the same as some other guy's. Hence why we encourage so much exploration during Aneros sessions to find what does work for you. It's just that in my own experience, the pleasure generated from stimulating my penis over powers and covers up what I'm feeling in my anus and prostate.
  • JMay
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    @Love_is

    You're welcome! :)

    Yes, I wouldn't recommend these techniques to beginners, looking back in the day it would've been impossible for me to do this I think...
    Men need to work their sexual muscles.
  • JMay
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    Try to do this in one breath cycle.

    Inhale -> energy up the spine and to the head
    exhale -> energy down your throat, heart, lungs, tummy and back to the penis

    The clearer those pathways are, the less risk of ejaculation there is. If you just focus on your penis you'll ejaculate everytime pleasure goes up a notch. The idea is to heighten pleasure everytime without ejaculating when that happens.
    Eventually you reach a state where energy just knows where to flow, automatically, and you won't ejaculate unless you break your "auto-trance" pleasure state.
  • euphemisticeuphemistic
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    Jmay said:
    "Do you remember old televisions? I think they used cathodes that should gain some temperature first before the TV was on, it took some time, though. I think you are in that stage just before the screen turns on and the tv starts working."

    I'm waiting for the picture and just before it comes on, it turns into the test pattern. I've been reading the posts in this thread and finding useful information. I'm trying everything.

    Jmay said:
    "When you've done it right, if you touch your penis it will be extra sensitive, but not in an uncomfortable way, you can actually feel a clear difference between what your skin feels, how pressure feels, how its shape feels, etc. It's kind of like... much more awake, and it's not "stressed" with pleasure."

    I get to a point where the pleasure is the most I've ever experienced, my trunk, legs and neck are grooving. Not sure about my head. I touch my penis and he feels numbish but in a good way, not hot and hard like I've been jerking off. I can hold the base of the penis around the shaft and balls and get pleasure from that. As long as I don't use the pee muscle, I don't feel like ejaculating. I'm using porn to get aroused but have to stop watching after a while and just listen to the sound of men having sex or just concentrate on what I'm feeling. Is this what you're talking about? I don't know if my whole body is aroused and it doesn't fit the description of an orgasm.

    Jmay said:
    " Inhale -> energy up the spine and to the head
    exhale -> energy down your throat, heart, lungs, tummy and back to the penis"

    I've visualized energy rising up my spine but not descending back down again. Maybe that's the balance i need.
  • JMay
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    @euphemistic

    You're on the right track. I'm talking about actual orgasms. It does feel nice in the meantime, pleasurable, but the orgasm is a full cascade of pleasurable feelings.

    Try to swallow when visualizing energy going down, use it as a reference point. Maybe you can also rub your belly a bit, get blood flowing there too.

    That's also a propper description of how the penis feels when you started 'the right way'. That "numbish" feeling should be felt throughout the whole session for now (once reaching that state comes naturally to you, you can try to force it a little more). A "numbish" but hard erect penis feels much more solid in a way. You feel much more in control. Just now it came to my mind the image of a car trying to race on a slippery road. Every turn, if done too fast, the car will get off track (ie ejaculation). I feel that starting stimulation the 'traditional' way your penis is like the car on a slippery road, energy is just too intense for such a slippery path. While when starting the other way, the road is no longer slippery, but you still have to slow down sometimes on sharp turns. You eventually feel submerged in pleasure, not as in an immediate view of it (I prefer to keep going fast despite the turn), but how it feels as a whole, eventually you just know that you have to slow down sometimes because then it will be even better.

    Another way to train I think, is trying to get as close to ejaculation as you can and then stop and enjoy the orgasmic feelings, learn how to recognize them as to separate them from ejaculation feelings. You'll end up with the ability to focus only on orgasmic feelings and not ejaculation, making things a bit slower in a way, but much more solid and potent pleasure wise. Orgasm has its own rythm, you have to figure the way to "hop in" the wagon and enjoy the groove. Also, you'll feel orgasmic pleasure through your penis in that numbish state, but no ejaculation feelings.

    Now that you've reached this state, try playing a bit more with the BC muscles, just don't make it the center of attention.
  • JMay
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    Rule of thumb: don't rush it.

    To this point, I've been able to define better both sensations. I've found out that orgasmic feelings have their own rythm, while ejaculation feelings can be forced.

    What happens during traditional masturbation is as follows. When you're in the mood you start feeling pleasure, it's orgasmic, let's say it only lasts for a couple of seconds, and suddenly these feelings recede. That's when you can screw things up for the first time, because you want to get back to that pleasurable zone immediately, but the only thing that you can really do in that phase of orgasmic recession is force ejaculation, which no doubt is pleasurable, but in a different way. Give yourself time, learn how to enjoy the moment. When you're able to do that, you won't be forcing things, instead you'll enjoy them as they come. All this includes penile stimulation of course. When orgasmic feelings recede, take it as a chance to enjoy the rest of your body, you can continue penile stimulation but without trying to force things. Suddenly these orgasmic feelings will come again, stronger this time, which will make you want to make them even stronger, but don't, you're only forcing ejaculation. Just enjoy the moment, enjoy them getting stronger without forcing them, orgasmic feelings will eventually recede again, enjoy your body, then when they come again they'll be even stronger. Practice doing that. You'll be able to enjoy more pleasurable sensations, more defined and much stronger. Eventually your body "gets it" and just knows when you can stimulate yourself all you want because it's orgasmic, and when you have to take it a little slower because it's leading you to ejaculation. The more you practice, the more you'll be able to separate both sensations.

    orgasmic feelings = felt in the moment, without a defined goal to achieve, thus it's a state of being, they can be amplified but not rushed, just let them be, give them space.
    ejaculation feelings = rushes things up, you want it to get better and better, it's more goal oriented (ejaculate), and you lose the direct moment of felt experience.

    As things get more and more orgasmic, you'll encounter many "wrong" habits, things you have to unlearn and learn how to really feel them. In a sentence, amplifying pleasure is not the same as rushing pleasure. Every time pleasure is amplified, you'll tend to rush things so they get better. Eventually you'll be able to rush things and it won't lead to ejaculation, but that's after many orgasmic waves bathing your body.
  • euphemisticeuphemistic
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    Per your advice, Jmay, I'm contracting the peritoneal muscles (everything but the BC muscles) on inhalation while imagining sexual energy rising up my spine and feeling amazing pleasure, and then relaxing everything on exhalation while imagining that energy returning through my body to my penis. After building my arousal sufficiently so that even my breathing is eroticized, I start contracting my abdominal and back muscles with inhalations, almost to a valsalva maneuver, which oxygenates everything and increases the pleasure to an almost unbearable level (I used to ejaculate when I was doing pull ups!) Then when my whole body starts to feel like a giant penis, I tried moving the BC muscles a bit but hit an icy patch and slid off the road.

    Oh well, I'll keep trying. I've previously tried delaying orgasm to see how far I could go without ejaculating and think I have a handle on it. Thank you very much for your interest and advice. It means a lot to me.
  • This thread just keeping better and better, as the old cigarette commercial used to say "not getting older, but better".

    I love the emphasis on training, giving the clear picture that we are like athletes, who take training seriously, and who are after the long range, as well as short term, goals they have set for themselves.  Our practice, our sessions, are training sessions, as we train our bodies, and rewiring takes place with each session when we are focused on the training, doing our breathing, concentrating, muscle contractions, and other exercises.  

    I compare the focus on waves of pleasure to the waves on the shore of the ocean.  Recently, we had our yearly trip to the coast, and for five days I heard, saw and felt, this constant wave action, as the shore was kissed by the waves of water (reminds me of the song so beautifully sung by Rosemary Clooney "Tenderly").  The waves are relentless, and rhythmic, but no two are exactly alike.  They rise and fall.  They are big and small.  They are narrow and wide.  Some have foam heads, some are a mere trickle.  They are all waves.  We experience them, but we do not make them happen.  We can ride them, hear them, feel them, see them, sense their approach, and interact with them in a variety of ways.  They are affected by the tides.  I am sure others can share their observations about the correlation of ocean waves, and orgasmic waves.
    Thanks for starting this thread, JMay
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
    Posts: 242
    @RayMitchell you worded that beautifully. And yes, I too would like to express my gratitude to JMay for sharing this information!
    I will always love all things aneros, but for a while there I just felt like it was missing something. The aneros is the perfect way to treat your body and indulge yourself, but unfortunately, aneros sessions are generally incompatible with the sexual sessions you would have with a partner. Some may be luck enough to have partners who are interested in helping us coax out multiple orgasms via the aneros, nipplestim or even pegging, but for me, I don't think it could ever be the same. That is why this thread is so amazing. For the first time in human history (to my knowledge), the average man has at his disposal the information to be able to have multiple, full body, penile orgasms. That is just amazing to me. And I cannot say thank you enough JMay! You really did a lot of us a huge favor!
  • JMay
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    Thanks guys! I'm really glad you appreciate it. Don't forget that others have also colaborated on this thread ;). Just make sure to keep us updated on your progress, new findings or questions, everyone has something useful to say and we can all benefit.
  • PommiePommie
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    @RayMitchell,

    Rosemary Clooney???
    My God, your'e showing your age!
    Even in my mid seventies, I can barely remember her!!
    I do remember she was a great looker though. I think she was a pin-up girl of mine!