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Should we teach our boys reaching puberty the benefits of MMO, prostate massage, kuma sutra?
  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 1,036
    I write this with great respect to the above writers.
    The problem as I see it is we misunderstand what Jesus is saying, and we take it out of context because we do not fully understand the restrictions of his culture. Regarding adultery for example he is saying don't punish the woman caught in physical adultery when you are all guilty of having sex with her in your head ( or worse). She is the object not the perpetrator. He is telling a hung up culture to come down to earth and care for each other with understanding. Regarding the girl that he heals he says immediately after "give her something to eat" this strongly suggests she was actually feinting through hunger, which immediately suggests she had been excluded from the family table for sometime because she was "unclean" , that is she had a period. What is worse to heal Jesus actually touched an unclean female! I am not saying I am correct but these examples seem obvious. Jesus is in fact much more of a man of the world than we think. He actually offers far more freedom than we want to accept. So much so that the culture he lived in had to get rid of him. (There are cultures like this even today)
    Why all this: because there are other very valid rather liberating ways of reading his teaching.
  • thick75,
    I'm more than happy to carry on a private PM with you. The rest of the guys will probably quickly tire of our esoteric theological ramblings. I'll PM you and we can take it from there. 
  • The topic of discussion is
    Should we teach our boys reaching puberty the benefits of MMO, prostate massage, kuma sutra?

    There is no mention of religion in this original post

    IMHO religion is the cause of all wars (arguments).
    And no! I will not argue with you about it! That is what I believe in.
    I for one am not interested in religious ideas of any kind!
    I am sick of people with their religious belief's reciting them in any way to me and do not want it on this forum. ( It is not what the forum is about).

    As a fellow aneros user I would ask you all to keep your religious thoughts to yourselves and save them for your god faring websites.
    I do not begrudge you having your believes on what ever religion you may believe in but keep it out of this forum please. 

    Religion and politics are bad topics for forums IMHO.

    I was watching this post intensely from the start but now have lost all interest now that religion is the topic.
    Please be thoughtful to all users and stop the religious talk, and get back to the topic of discussion.
    Start your own thread with religious views as the topic so others of us can ignore it.  
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    Braveneworld - I can't help but sympathise with what you say, however I do think that religion was relevant to this discussion at one point, if only because GUILT, whether religiously inspired and/or cultural, was a possible block to an openness and honesty in communicating the "facts of life", which in this case also includes "the benefits of MMO, prostate massage, and karma sutra?

    I was relieved that at least one religious person here (newguy8762) could deal with human sexual diversity in such a positive way, since without that we are all doomed to lead pale shadows of our potential lives.

    Having said that, I too get lost in religious "naval gazing" and often feel that life could be so much simpler.  I respect newguy8762's and other's views, even though I don't agree with the religious origins of those views, and uphold his right to express them.  However, he has felt that this was getting far off track, as we both do, and his offer to continue communication on this privately, also shows him to be sensitive and empathetic to the feelings of others.  I'd like to thank him very much for his valuable and thoughtful contributions.

    I am happy to end it there, but I think that since aneros use and multi-orgasmic practices do sometimes generate a sense of spirituality, I would not be prepared to say no religion - ever. After all, Taoism is another form of religion, and its relevance to multi-orgasmic practices is enormous.

    Just as sexuality permeates everyone's lives, so too does spirituality at some point, and since religion still forms a large part of most people's lives (taken the world over), its implications will be entwined through everything else, and can never be entirely separated.

    Thanks too, must go to all the other contributors to this topic.  I am sure there is still much more than can be said.

  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 1,036
    Point well taken. The problem with the original question is that the Kama Sutra is a Hindu text. This has left the thread open to "religious input". That of course leads the thread back to influences on culture that create all the guilt and hangups that plague enjoying our body.
    It would be good if we could live in such a way that without pressure when knowledge was needed knowledge could be given without manipulation, grooming, and guilt, in a joyful, happy and humerous way. Sadly I do not see this happening any time soon anywhere.
    "Half my life has been accumulating guilt the other half getting free from it. What a waste of time!"
  • Ok while I agree with both @isvara and @Linum points @newguy8762 first thread was great, althought he mentioned  his religion and points of view he did not quote passages until later posts.
    I thought his first post was very informative and relivent but then as the posts go on, the preaching starts to com out.
    Like I said I dont mind his faith just the preaching of it.
    I am not looking for a argument and I will not be following this discussion any longer.
    I am sure it will be off putting to other as well but I do not speak for them.

    Maybe I should have said nothing and just not continued reading the posts.

    I have been on this forum for about 8 months and although people mention religion here and there It has been free of preaching the words of their god.
    The karma Sutra although written by Hidu,s is all about bettering your sex so is not really in the same realm as Christianity. I no nothing about Taoism so will not comment.

    While I have shot my mouth off about it and will admit that as the word of god is mentioned more and more through the posts I stopped reading and just looked for key words and sentences.

    Maybe I voiced my opinion about religion when it was not really needed or maybe it was need ed.
    I mean no offence to anyone I just really dont want religion as part of my aneros experience.
    some will agree and others wont.

    Peace to all my aneros freinds.

  • Thick75, I sent a lengthy PM to you yesterday but I can't see it in my account settings anywhere. Did you receive it?

    @braveneworld or any others offended by what I've written: not my intention to preach. Just sharing my views to try to dispel any misconceptions, in particular about Christianity/sexuality and how this particular view relates to the subject. I apologize for bringing too much of that into a forum where it's unwelcome.

    I do sometimes feel in these debates over values and "truth" that the call for tolerance becomes a one way street. But, ill respect everyone's wishes. Have a nice day!
  • TurnrowTurnrow
    Posts: 176

    There are several Christian guys on this website and the ones I have gotten to know agree totally with newguy8762's statements relative to aneros use, a relationship with Jesus, and helping our sons make it thru puberty and early adulthood.

    One Christian friend gives thanks to God during his sessions for the exquisitely pleasurable feelings generated by the rewiring.  After all, we believe that God made these male bodies and he endowed them with the potential to give men this kind of pleasure.  So sorry that Taoism and not Christians advance the principles for the rewiring.  But even inspite of eastern influence, we who have a relationship with Jesus (as newguy obviously does, and as Isvara alludes to) can give honor to Him sans lust, althought restraining lust is a constant battle for us as Christian men.   In the end, we dont answer to religion.  A relationship with Jesus is the key to the real Christian life, even in aneros use.   Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is another great Christian principle grounded in respect and forbearance.

  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 1,036
    Back on track i hope:
    I think we need to differentiate between lust and healthy curiosity. Healthy curiosity leads to depth of knowledge and understanding, it give rise to what works and what doesn't, sexually it enables males to understand the amazing yet foreign female body. It allows males to appreciate and understand a little of the incredible complexity and importance of female genitalia. It allows males to overcome the fear of difference and avoidance of looking at female labia. Hopefully it may discourage female genital mutilation. If in the up bringing of boys we can satisfy their healthy curiosity then they may may not need to compensate with lust. Until we can do this MMO and benefits of prostate massage may best be left until a little later. I think adolescence need to enjoy the amazing ejaculatory release without guilt as the first step.
    I think there may be better visual media than the Kama Sutra. I personally have not found the KS helpful.

    Edit addition
    A foot note. I am not sure we would have the same response if we we taking about adolescent girls and speaking about the benefits of orgasms, clitoral stimulation, discovering and massaging the " she spot", etc, I wont go further. I think "virtue of virginity" would need a rethink. I am just trying to get the theme into perspective.
  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    "Lust" is a very human condition.  Its definition varies greatly, and as such it is not always a useful word to use in the context of this discussion, since it means different things to different people.  It can have negative connotations, such as when sex happens that perhaps shouldn't have, but it can have positive connotations too, as in when it is channelled into a healthy sexual relationship and enhances the experience for both partners.  In the end, lust isn't the issue, it is what one does with it that matters.

    I agree with isvara, that it can have a role in promoting healthy curiosity, and who here doesn't have that? Without a modicum of lust, we would lead rather solitary existences, devoid of touch and a lot of intimacy, and a lot of what people secretly find most satisfying about their lives.

    When it comes to the "education" of the young, there has to be a realisation here that young people have sexual needs too.  As I have said before, it is better to give them some information that could help them make better decisions in life, than to leave them floundering around, perhaps also floundering in the guilt generated by years of ignorance or misinformation.  As isvara also said - "Half my life has been accumulating guilt the other half getting free from it. What a waste of time!"

    Be careful though, not to succumb to prescribing what information you think is helpful, based solely on your own preferences and likes.  The fact that something works for you, doesn't mean it will work for others.  My own contemplation of female labia (thanks for that image isvara - lol) is somewhat limited, and as a young man, I would have resented the assumption that this was what I would like too.  Behind it is a tacit indication that this is what is considered NORMAL.  Yet in sex, what one needs is to not be saddled with random definitions of what constitutes normal, since GUILT will be the inevitable result.  Aneros use, shows us dramatically that there is little that can be classified as NORMAL.  Our journeys are unique and are our own.  Now that we have learnt once more, that variety is the spice of life, lets not forget that each person (even a young person) is on their own journey through life, and there is no standard model of how this will turn out, despite the pushing and cajoling of others.  To go against one's innate feelings here, is to lead a life in the shadows of existence.

    Please remember too, that people are quite capable of lying about, and then perpetuating the myth that there is something called NORMAL.  They want to fit in, they definitely don't want to stick out as odd, perverse, or abnormal.  It takes a lot of contemplation and coming to terms with who you REALLY are, in order to overcome these often unwritten strictures.  As isvara said (and it is worth repeating) - What a waste of time!"
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,782
    As an atheist I personally don't care to read about religious views and dogma either. But I found it easy enough to skip past those religious posts that didn't interest me. Yes, the religious puritanical and patriarchal cultural training that invokes shame and guilt about experiencing the pleasure of our body's is significant in this topic. But it is a fine line that can turn ugly really quickly.

    Assuming there are no conflicts of forum rules concerning inappropriate topics or flamewars between users, I'd like to suggest to everyone to practice tolerance, understanding, and compassion with your posts here and communications between users.
  • I started this comment and had no idea it would lead to the issue of religion.  Some of the earlier replies brought up the subject of sexual preference which, at the time, I had not even thought of.  I never associated the use of a prostate massager as possibly a homosexual activity.  In fact it was only this last 10 days I was able to associate the act of inserting a dick into a man's ass might be to massage the prostate.  I know I sound stupid and naive, but I figured it did not feel good to the guy on the bottom, but they did it to satisfy their partner. I know now how wrong I was.  Add to this the concept of pegging and I see a whole another world opening up.  So I laugh at myself when I remember how I thought I was very "worldly".  When I started to get some responses to my comment the subject of religion popped up. Basically our social phobias and perhaps religious views would militate against discussing these subjects with out children.  I then responded as a very horny and not a perfect Christian and threw fuel on the fire about religion. Because I am wrestling with my Christian beliefs I was very interested. 

    NOW, having said that, I agree that this site is not for promoting religious beliefs.  We are here trying to learn and enhance our newly founded orgasmic skills.  So I agree with those bitching about the injection of religion into our Aneros space. I will shape up. Thanks for the criticism which was legitimate. 

    BUT since I am,always trying to have the last word and in my usual defensive and irritating mode, I can not resist pointing out that surely our ability to rewire and enjoy our sexual experiences can not be a result of an accident in the universe.  I believe this once again proves that some superior being gave us these abilities. This not the result of some merging of molecules from a primordial soup. NOW THIS IS THE LAST TIME i WILL MENTION GOD. (I already lie... I keep saying to myself and partner... Oh my GOD! as I cum). So he seems to inject himself into this conversation.  OK I AM DONE!  UP WITH ORGASMS... MAY THERE BE MANY AND INTENSE.
  • @newguy8762 I have PM you.

  • LinumLinum
    Posts: 227
    Evolution is quite capable of developing a heightened sexuality (one that is not simply just for reproduction)  - there is a great deal of scientific evidence for this having been a major factor in the successful evolution of our species.

    If kids were made to read one book they should read "Sex at Dawn, the Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality" - it would be useful for some adults to read this too.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Great and grand wide-ranging discussion men!!!

    To summarize briefly:

    * at age 13 my prostate gland called to me and I began what is now over 50 years of solo prostate massage

    * I used my finger(s) and improvised massagers ( model rockets about erect cock sized... and then all manner of things over the years!!! :) :D

    * at 17 a male friend and I decided to explore sexual intimacy together: I was cock curious by then and was the first to bottom, and most frequent to bottom initially)

    * his cock action in me did NOT parallel the great effects I got with my massager/dildos and soon I got tired of anal reception

    * he married soon after we quit at around age 19, had two kids and then found that he was/is gay; divorced and have long-term gay relationship

    * I found that my preference is for women and yet I can enjoy sex with a man very nicely up to a point: so I am functionally bisexual, yet well on the hetero side of the teeter-totter

    * IF I lost my wife of almost 44 years, I would be seeking another female lover/partner

    * at ages 14-15 my prostate massage sessions could produce incredible after effects later or the next day: astounding visions and "mystical experiences, often very cinematic high-speed journeys through space and time. I called them "Intellectual Orgasms" and discussed them with family and close friends. They were life-changing and I have been forever grateful for them at that stage of my development.

    *Now into my 6th year with Aneros and my mixed Aneros/KSMO/Tao practice, both solo and with my wife, I have advocated here since the original question of this thread was raised back then in effect, that all 13 year old males be given an Aneros SGX or MGX, depending on their height, free, as tooth brushes are now distributed by Public Health, on the basis of the now scientifically acknowledged health benefits of more frequent masturbation and of prostate massage for male health in later life!

    * I am also forever grateful that my prostate massage practice opened me physically and spiritually to the exploratory gay relationship at that age of youthful experiments. He and I have remained platonic friends (no sex together) even as our conversations about sex and each others' sex lives continue among many other common interests and topics

    * he visits my wife and I every year or so and we have great chats

    * another post here soon will talk about my remotely shared orgasmic energies experiences that began here at Aneros and are another way of sharing male male penetration experiences extraordinarily intensely at-a-distance....
  • @artform Thankyou for your fist hand account of age 13 experience. I look forward to your next post as promised.

    Although I have said in the beginning of the discussion that it might not be a good idea to introduce aneros at age 13. I now can see maybe a positive as well.
    I find your "tooth brush" idea (introduction of aneros at age 13 as mandatory idea) to maybe have some positives that I  had not thought of.
    It may help with the stresses put on young males as they go through there body changing and the hormone rushes. I not sure but maybe. The problem would be control of the addictive affects.

    It may also help with stamping out the negativeness against other males that find them selves Gay or Bi.
    They the Heterosexuals may have more understanding and tolerance and not be so afraid of the gay or Bi male.  
    In a more perfect world then this could be introduced as a experiment but in the world we live in I dont think it is going to happen any time soon.

    The world is just too young.
    Maybe if anerosing becomes main stream we might get there.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Hi bnw!!

    You are most welcome and thank you for your thoughts on the applicability and potential of the " 'tooth brush' idea".

    Aneros and this community have, perhaps unintentionally, given rise to another level of male prostate awakening advancement. One that seemed initially to be of particular interest for older males.

    Yet with increasing experimentation, it seems that males of all ages can find this other level too with attention to their prostate gland through the Aneros journey, and thus the following brings us back to the original question about making information available to young males at age 13.

    (fading here fast and will return and complete these thoughts here soon.....)
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 1,008

    artform said:

    (fading here fast and will return and complete these thoughts here soon.....)

    What does this mean?
    Are you still with us?
  • MMO_RPGlolMMO_RPGlol
    Posts: 242
    I didn't read any of the earlier posts.. But coming from a guy who journey into puberty is still fresh in mind:

    Being taught about MMO and prostate massage as a young boy would have saved me a LOT of heart ache and pain. At about 13, I started to explore with anal by myself. Of course, this meant that EVERYTHING was makeshift and could have let to me being hurt if I was less fortunate. (Hair conditioner for lube, leg razor as a prostate massager... Ext)

    I also assumed that prostate massage was like traditional masturbation in that I thought if you just pumped something in and out of your but really fast and hard you'd cum. Again, had I been less fortunate, I could have really hurt myself.

    Being taught about MMO early on could have seriously helped my mental health growing up into adolescents as well. When I started to watch porn as a youngin' (I stopped years ago now), I noticed nearly right away that those famous 'squirting' girls seemed to be having quite a bit more fun than the dudes that were banging them. Because of that I have experienced some extreme self hatred of my body, even though in truth, I have a body that would be desired by plenty of men and women. (Good sized penis, decent face, not too fat, can easily keep erection after ejaculating numerous times, healthy). The fact that I used to literally want to die because "I will never be able to experience anything like that.", really scares the crap out of me...

    I hope that my experience can somewhat keep some other young boys from hurting them self physically or mentally. I didn't do anything to deserve that self hatred and neither did anyone else...
  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 1,036
    The forum seems to have changed, I hope it can return to non judgmental encouraging discussion. Thank you @artform for pouring oil on troubled waters.
    Re this topic, I only wish that I had had a better understanding of sexual function when I was 14 - 15. My parents were broad minded, but would it have been abuse to give me more information? In the light of recent posts I think the answer would be yes. We did not have the Internet. I must say my teenage years were a sexual disaster. We scoured bookshops for female prisoner of war stories - some mental images have unfortunately stayed with me all my life. Our sex education was so divorced from reality that it had a negative effect. So it is a very tricky subject to get a right answer to. Permission to read some real sexual information and specific permission to ejaculate as a normal function would have been an huge relief. I am surprised that we have not have more negative comments on this topic. Sorry for some of the comments but I am still smarting.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    I'm fine Pommie, thanks! Was just very tired and eyes fatigued after a long busy day and evening.

    Hi MMO_RPG and isvara !!

    Thanks MMO_RPG for your personal "13" story. You and I had similar puberty experiences, both starting anal exploration at that age. From all I have learned and experienced since, I know we are not unique in having anal curiosity at that age.

    It is regrettable that your journey then was as fraught with uncertainty/fear, hazard and self-hatred. One of my favourite Einstein quotes is: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." Northrop Frye's book: "The Educated Imagination" addresses this issue, and I agree with both Einstein and Frye.

    In the world of young boys/men at age 13, I believe that knowledge is needed very much then in order to enable an Educated Imagination in matters of anatomy, sensuality, sexuality and their wider role in our lives. Ergo, my " 'toothbrush' proposal", that all boys 13 be provided with an Aneros MGX or SGX by the public health nurse education sessions in public schools.

    The most recent scientific knowledge on these matters needs to be shared appropriately with young people even before 13, and certainly fully by that age. Direction about health first and safe practices for all potential areas of erotic exploration are essential, and morally and ethically required in education and health practices.

    Otherwise, the distorted street stories, pseudo-facts and falsities, particular religious beliefs, stereotyped or sales oriented pornography, and other potentially dangerous are flooding the young person's experiences and thinking. Thanks isvara for adding your experiences and the negative consequences of being uninformed then.

    The transformation in our bodies and minds as we go through puberty and into a long maturation process around sexuality requires an Educated Imagination to avoid your unfortunate type of experience. I might well have had the same sort, rather than the positive one I experienced as set out in my post, second upward above.

    all the best education and discussion about our being through youth and the fullness of our lives potentials all


    as we rewire
    we are all reconnected

  • braveneworldbraveneworld
    Posts: 1,101
    @isvara I am assuming you ment my comment (outburst) way back then. My views have not changed but it is interesting to note that, my advice was taken on board by most all users and we have lived in orgasmic harmony ever since. LOL ;)
    Hoping reopening this forgotten thread does not descend into anarchy again.
    The discussion at hand.
    I can see the benefits and wish that the Aneros had been introduced to me at age 13 or 16. Maybe I would have spent more time making myself happy with the aneros rather than thinking about killing myself most of the time. My teens was not a happy part of my life to which I still have nightmares about.

    I only started getting fleeting interests in my anus after high school though. It has taken almost forty years to actually buy something to explore anal with.
    From the recent comments on another discussion involving minors  (even though they weren't minors) it is clear the point is mute though. People are still highly sensitive about anything to do with sex when it comes to such young persons. 
    If you were to mention anal and 13 years old in society you would be in real hot water (putting it mildly).

    Here is something we have not thrown into the discussion although on the same path, why be sexest.
    Should we give EVI to our young 13 girls. Dont quite know if we are even qualified to comment on the idea. Would that reduce teen pregnancies or increase them?

    Dont know , but I think we maybe kidding ourselves even contemplating the idea of Aneros for either sex at such a early stage.

  • isvaraisvara
    Posts: 1,036
    @bravenewworld, no it was not your clarification of the rules, that was salutary, thank you.
    Re this thread, I think you have summed up the impossibility of helping under age people. I would only add providing a penetrating object to a minor that could be sexually stimulating would be a definite no.