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  • Phew!
    Hey everybody, I've been using the Aneros Helix for several months now off and on.  When I got the Helix, I had never tried prostate stimulation before but was very interested in it.  After hesitantly browsing the web for prostate massagers, I found the Aneros site and decided to buy one.  

    I read a lot on the forums, various testimonials, how-to's etc. and want to give a quick shout out to the various experienced users who have shared their advise!!  Also, thank you to all of the forum users, new and experienced, dunno if I ever would have made it here without you! My sessions up until this point have been very gratifying but never really achieved a "Super O" until today.  I had experienced a lot of P-Waves, some very nice sensations and even some Mini-O's I think.. but nothing like today.

    So when I began my session today, after having taken a break for about a month, I decided that tonight would be an exploration session.  No expectations, no real effort, just having some fun and seeing what sensations I could experience.  I went with the traditional position on my right side with one leg tucked up. After getting accustomed to having the Helix inserted I decided to do absolutely nothing except maintain a contraction at about 40%, which I've seen recommended from multiple users.  Instead of doing any contractions beyond that, I just layed there and focused on any sensations, regardless of how small.  Within a few minutes I could feel the Aneros moving on its own, very very slightly.  A few P-Waves later and the sensations and movement subsided.  I kept telling myself "Don't get impatient, its okay, this is just about experimenting". 

    About 10 minutes later I decided to try again, this time on my elbows and knees tucked under me.  Very quickly I started feeling the movement, sensations and P-Waves, but again, nothing unlike what I had previously experienced and this continued for about 15-20 minutes until it once again subsided.  

    Finally the last round came (I wasn't expecting it to be the last round, but WOW).  Once again I went back to the traditional position and rested there holding at about 40%.  15-20 minutes went by with absolutely nothing happening.  Again, telling myself to not get impatient or frustrated and just relax and enjoy, I decided to play with my nipples.  I have NEVER been a fan of nipple play, it has just never done anything for me, but I figured... time to experiment!  I started just lightly playing with my nipple and immediately the Aneros began moving on its own like it had for me many times in the past. To clarify it moving on its own... well I can't, it didn't seem to be going with my pulse, and I absolutely wasn't contracting, it just was very very slightly seeming to faintly move around.  This time though, there were some new sensations that I had never felt before.  This sensation was that "itch" that you can't scratch on the prostate... I never really knew what that meant until I felt it, so if you don't understand, don't worry, you will.  To me, it felt more like a pinpoint something-or-other on my prostate that the Helix was rubbing against and it came with an interesting "tingle".... best way to describe it..This was the first time that I started having a feeling of kinda needing to pee with relatively powerful P-Waves in my lower abdomen.  I stopped playing with my nipple to focus on the new sensations.  Again, this entire time and through the remainder of the session I never intentionally contracted except to find the 40% mark.  I felt the sensations build and subside several times but never fully go away.  I finally decided to basically think to myself as if I were explaining to someone exactly what was happening and what I was feeling as it was happening, helping me to really internalize and focus on the sensations.  From here it was up and up.  

    I knew I was rolling now and the P-Waves were coming very consistently but slightly more intense each time, about 10-15 seconds apart.  I had never had P-Waves come consistently before this session, they seemed much more random before.  Now, I'm not sure if this was due to fatigue from holding at 40% for about an hour now or genuinely involuntary contractions, but the Aneros started to "bounce" in and out relatively rapidly (about two or three times per second) but very slightly, not much at all, millimeters even.  This didn't actually give me any new sensations, but certainly kept the build going.  I became VERY aware of the fact that my prostate was becoming engorged and I could feel pressure building inside of me.  As the P-Waves began to become more intense they started to spread upwards into my chest and into my anus.  Just a general "good" feeling, like endorphin's were being released directly into those specific areas (from my anus all the way up to my upper chest) for a few seconds at a time.  I kept telling myself to breathe and relax. I had read that it helps sometimes not to TRY to have a Super-O but to attempt to maintain and continue enjoying the sensations, which at this point were INTENSE! More intense than anything I had felt before with my past months of sessions.  By the time I couldn't keep myself from beginning to tense up, and breathing much more heavily, the Helix was moving much more drastically, but the same speed as it was before... kind of like my muscles were too tired to maintain the 40% and were fluttering trying to maintain.  Again, the goal the entire time was to purely maintain the 40% hold.  Well, that's when it happened.  I sort of started whimpering and moaning lightly but I couldn't control it as my body started slightly thrusting as if I were having sex... and I couldn't stop it or control it, it was just happening!  I even remember consciously thinking "uhhh I'm not trying to do this, but DAM it feels good!" This went on for a solid 5-8 minutes increasing in intensity over and over until it finally felt like the endorphin's exploded all over my body centrally from my prostate... as if it were emanating from there to the rest of my body.  Body tense, shaking, the whole nine.  It got so intense I finally decided it needed to stop cause I couldn't really take it anymore, so I completely relaxed my anus to let go of the 40% hold... Weellll, obviously my body didn't care at all cause that shot the most massive P-Wave through my body that I had ever felt and I couldn't help but contract again and it happened all over again for another few minutes.  Finally I had to have it stop because it was just too intense and I NEEDED to ejaculate so I rolled on to my back and finished myself off traditionally... Holy crap... 

    Needless to say, I am SO glad that I decided to pick it up again after about a month off.  Absolutely unreal.  It almost feels like it didn't happen, I'm kind of in shock about it.  Anyway, I thought I'd share my fantastic session with everyone. It almost scares me that from everything I've read, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Lol I don't know if I could HANDLE more.  But I'm gonna try ;).  

    Thanks again to everyone on this forum and I hope this will be my first post of many more experiences throughout my journey!!

    John
  • Interesting. You seem to have perfectly described most of my sessions, but I do not feel like I have had a Super O. I've had all the feelings you described, but, to steal another users phrase, I always felt like I was circling the drain and never went over the edge to a full blown Super O.

  • KeokeKeoke
    Posts: 67
    Congrats, John! Great description of my experiences, too. 

    Jedi, I share your observation as well. Even though each aneros session gives me intense pleasure, I never quite experience the throbbing prostate and feeling of release that I associate with a full-blown orgasm. 

    Laying off the aneros for several days never got me there, so now I've been plugging up and tuning in for several nights in a row. At this point, with the tension building, it's becoming a wait-and-see experiment. 
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    John,

    Congratulations and thank you for your documentation of this wonderful experience!   Please post this to the My First Super Orgasm sticky as the top of the Forum.  (That way it will remain on the first page of the General Discussion section for everyone to see.)

    Yes, your journey is just beginning and you have had a very fine taste of what lies ahead.  You have established a solid mindset, remain open and without expectations, stay with it and more will be revealed to you!

    Cheers,


    BF Mayfield
  • striker
    Posts: 11
    I am a newcomer to the site and have also got the Aneros Helix. John, what you are describing sounds awesome. I am just learning and it looks like an incredible journey!
  • I'll definitely post this in the My First Super Orgasm sticky. =)  Yah, I had had pretty intense pleasure before from my other sessions, but this time was the first that I felt out of control of what was happening. I had "circled the drain" a few times in the past, and I wish I could describe the realization of it really being a Super-O better... It didn't really have a feeling of release. The best way that I can present it, is that feeling when you know you're nanoseconds away from the point of no return with a traditional orgasm/ejaculation but amplified dramatically; And that still doesn't exactly describe it.  When you get there, you'll know, there's no mistaking it.

    I don't really think that taking the month off made a significant difference in me finally getting the Super-O, I think it was more that I decided to not care anymore.  I enjoyed using the Aneros with or without the Super-O, but this time truly had no expectations and all I wanted was to maintain the "good feeling".  I can honestly say my mind has gotten in the way a LOT in the past, especially whenever I thought "c'mon, hurry up Super-O".. yah with that in my mind it was NEVER going to happen.  Keoke and Jedi, all I can say is enjoy every session for what it is and keep at it. Striker, glad to hear you're using the Aneros! You're gonna really enjoy your own journey!!

     John

    P.S. B Mayfield, your posts have helped me tremendously, thank you so much for your contributions to this forum and for the insight for my journey!! Anyone who hasn't read Mayfield's posts needs to.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    John2340,

    Congratulations, Attaboy I concur with 'B Mayfield'. Your patientce has been rewarded. IMHO, your attitude of adventurous exploration without expectations is the optimal approach.

    @ forum_jedi & Keoke,

    Would there be any harm in accepting your experiences as Super-O's? So what if your Super-O's aren't at the intensity you expect in your mind? There's always the possibility the next one will. Some of the beauties of the Super-O experience are the great nuances of feelings and sensations you experience before and after the 'peak' level was reached.
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  • I could certainly accept my experiences as a Super O. However, I would feel as though I was not being truthful to myself.

    I have often wondered if, at certain times during my sessions, if I was having an anal orgasm, a mini orgasm, or a full blown Super O. I have come to the conclusion, for myself, that: if I have to ask if I did, then I didn't.

    I would venture to guess that most on this forum know what edging feels like and the distinct difference between the feelings we have just prior to reaching the point of no return and the feelings we have after going over the edge. I believe the anal, prostate orgasmic feelings to be similar yet more intense. To date, I continue to circle the drain. If this is as far as I am meant to take my practice, that will be fine by me because I love the feelings I get. I just would not call them orgasmic at this point.
  • KeokeKeoke
    Posts: 67
    rumel, thanks for your suggestions, and jedi, thanks for your observations, which I share. 

    My pleasure at times has been intense to the point of being excruciating, but there's no resolution. I'm a tall, slim guy (6'1", 155 lb) and I've wondered if the toys just aren't doing it for my prostate, whatever position I assume -- and I've tried most all of them over the past eight months.   :-)  

    I've learned to relax completely (a real accomplishment for me), I can feel my prostate swelling, but it never throbs or pumps as it does during ejaculation. I usually insert the aneros at bedtime and try to avoid expectations, sometimes even to the point of falling asleep with it in. 

    The most intense pleasures for me come from the anal area, most noticeably from the ridges on the MGX, which I can play like a flute after so much practice! Perhaps I'm having anal orgasms, as opposed to prostate orgasms, but the sexual tension is only heightened, not relieved. 

    When relaxed, I continue to feel deep contentment with the aneros, so I'm not complaining and not displeased with my journey so far. I will continue to practice patience.  

    I deeply appreciate the support and camaraderie of men sharing their deep knowledge and personal experience, and I continue to enjoy every session.
  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    Keoke, if you're tall, you might try the Progasm, which is a half inch longer than the others.
  • Linum
    Posts: 186
    Rumel said "Would there be any harm in accepting your experiences as Super-O's? So what if your Super-O's aren't at the intensity you expect in your mind? There's always the possibility the next one will. Some of the beauties of the Super-O experience are the great nuances of feelings and sensations you experience before and after the 'peak' level was reached".

    This comment comes hot on the heals of one by Hapticbear, that what I might be experiencing now are Super-Os. They are not of the intensity that I would have thought a Super-O would be, but having contemplated both comments, I have to concede that I might already be there, and just hadn't realised it.

    I have always had the problem (if that is what it is) that my progress is fairly steady, and apart from the odd dud session, things just get better and better.  I and others have elsewhere described this as a continuum of pleasure or sensation, and as such it is not possible to say where a series of dry orgasms turns into a Super-O.  These words we use to classify the degree of sensation are only convenient terms that we have developed to describe where we are on the continuum.  The problem is that when we are in transition, it could be one or the other, or both that we are experiencing.

    forum_jedi said "I have often wondered if, at certain times during my sessions, if I was having an anal orgasm, a mini orgasm, or a full blown Super O. I have come to the conclusion, for myself, that: if I have to ask if I did, then I didn't".

    I have been through the same arguments in my head.  Recently I confirmed that I was having large numbers of dry orgasms when using my aneros.  But here's the thing - I now realise that I have been having dry orgasms for many months, I just didn't realise it at the time.  If I'd have asked the question at the time, as forum_jedi also did, then I would have been entirely mistaken in my conclusion.  It seems that it is only once we have passed a point in our experiences by some way that we seem able to see it for what it really was.  Dry Os, and Super Os are merely our own convenient constructs that we use to try to indicate where we are on the continuum, but these things perhaps don't exist as such, not as separate entities at any rate.

    There are great questions of philosophy presented by aneros use.  Who ever would have guessed?  I have decided that whilst it passes the time of day to try to classify exactly what it is we are experiencing, it doesn't serve much if any purpose.  What matters is what we are experiencing, not what we call it.
  • KeokeKeoke
    Posts: 67
    Thanks, Dingus. I started with the Progasm but realized after one use I had to downsize. I have gone back to it occasionally and have little problem now getting it in, but it's still tight and leaves me sore, even though I try to relax. I'm hoping more experience with the smaller ones will prepare me for the big boy, so I'll keep trying.

    Just wondering, has anyone with experiences similar to mine had better success with Tempo or Peridise? 

    Again, I'm not unhappy with my Aneros sessions -- but I'm left on the precipice of never getting sexual release. To unwind, I either masturbate (rarely), relax to the point that I fall asleep, or spend the next day with overly heightened sexual arousal, not unpleasant but exhausting when I don't cum for several days.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    @ Linum,

    I think you've got a good understanding of one of the paths a man may follow to the Super-O.

    @ forum_jedi & Keoke,

    It may take hours, days, weeks, months or even years for our consciousness to fully integrate the Super-O experience into our psyches. Even following such integration, the process doesn't stop, you continue to evolve, each Super-O experience adds to the experiential 'mass' of the previous one.

    You might think of the Super-O as the 'event horizon' of a 'black hole' of pleasurable experiences, residing at the center of our internal galaxy. Aneros use is the vehicle which transports us to the event horizon (point of no return) where we can "...circle the drain..." in pleasure indefinitely.

    When you are at the event horizon the common laws of reality dissolve, you are able to see outward from the 'black hole' and inward to the depths of all your previous experiences simultaneously. You can decide to release all mental control and explore the inner depths of your 'black hole' or you can exercise your will to withdraw from the event horizon and back to normal day to day reality. It is your consciousness which controls the decision to withdraw but it is your conscious 'intent', sub-conscious 'desires' and body 'arousal' which provides the impetus to continue deeper explorations. This is the point you need to "Just Let Go" and allow yourself to be drawn into the the Rabbit hole leading to Wonderland.

    @ Keoke,

    "... I'm left on the precipice of never getting sexual release...." I infer from this statement you have a definite expectation, namely some form of 'sexual release'. What if there is no such release in your Super-O's? Can you accept that or will you create an unfulfilled loop of frustration/expectation? Can you enjoy the awesome feelings of power and energy coursing through your body while in that state of "...overly heightened sexual arousal,..."? That arousal is the fuel for your next trip to the event horizon. Each trip to Wonderland is going to dissolve a little more the notion of 'sexual release' until it is a non-issue. Some Super-O's will give you a sense of release and some won't, it's kind of a Yin-Yang YinYang balance.
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  • KeokeKeoke
    Posts: 67
    Thanks, rumel. I'll try to absorb your advice and will let you know how it goes. 

    No doubt I greatly enjoy the pleasure I'm getting, but I would like to have the coiled spring release sometime. I'm not frustrated mentally so much as sexually. Prolonged pleasure without an orgasm becomes torture. For now, I plan to finish my next session with masturbation. Denying myself an ejaculation for several days isn't working for me so far. 
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    Keoke,

    Remember, orgasm and ejaculation are separate events. A Super-Orgasm is prolonged pleasure and it has also been described as "torture". This is similar to the effect of 'tease and denial' techniques for ejaculations, in both cases the pleasure experienced can seem like "torture" as well.

    Because Super-O's are non-ejaculatory events the brain does not release the same amount of oxytocin and prolactin chemicals as when ejaculations occur so your mood is not altered in the same way as an ejaculatory release would. If you expect a Super-O to provide that kind of release you may be chasing that illusion for the rest of your life.

    Why not discard the "coiled spring" analogy in favor of a "guitar string" alternative? Energy harmonics can accomplish marvelous feats, stroke the string lovingly and feel the music of your body emerge.
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  • dingus
    Posts: 72
    Rumel,

    Does your experience explain why some Super-Os aren't that pleasurable? 

    If you remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine's dancing was described as a "full-body dry heave," that's my experience, sometimes--the contractions have me flopping around, but there's not much I'd describe as "pleasure". More practice, more experience, more tuning in? Is that what's necessary?

  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    dingus,

    I don't know if my experience really "explains" anything, but all my Super-O's have been pleasurable! They just have not all been at high intensity levels.

    I didn't see the Seinfeld episode you are referring to so I can't comment on that. However, I will say something about my experience with full body shaking. When I first began my Aneros journey I experienced "mini-o's" which were incidences of large muscle groups (an arm, a thigh, a calf, etc.) exhibiting momentary spasms and/or twitches. Initially these were startling occurrences but since I was also beginning to experience P-waves during my Anerosessions I figured the twitches were part of the experience.

    Those twitches/spasms were not pleasurable, they only distracted focus away from the p-wave generator itself. I quickly found by really relaxing all those large muscle groups and concentrating on only the anal sphincter and PC muscle contractions, the large muscle group spasms mostly stopped occurring. While watching a man flop around on a bed like a fish out of water may be dramatic it doesn't necessarily mean he's enjoying it.

    It was only after I learned to get really relaxed, with a narrow focus on particular muscle contractions, that I experienced my first Super-O. That Super-O had no full body quaking, shaking or twitching, it was what we now call the Calm Seas of Orgasm.

    "More practice, more experience, more tuning in? Is that what's necessary?"

    I would say yes to all three of those but the emphasis, IMHO, should be on "tuning in". That is where you are going to learn the most about your body and yourself. You are the generator of your own joy, don't you want to know how it all works?
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  • yr99
    Posts: 20
    the OP is saying that he got to where he is by letting go of expectations and just enjoying the sensations. ironically, reading about how amazing he described his super-o was makes me extremely hard for me to let go of my expectations.
  • Honestly, the best thing during my journey through using the Aneros has been spending the majority of my sessions trying very hard to get rid of the idea of my typical orgasm with ejaculation.  I suppose this is why a lot of users refer to this as "rewiring".  At the end of the day, there's no way to compare ejaculation with an orgasm, in particular a Super-O.  Ejaculation and orgasm are not the same in any capacity.  However, orgasm happens when you ejaculate... Hardest thing for me to understand at first.  I think the key is understanding that the orgasm you have isn't the focal point of typical masturbation/ejaculation, the release (ejaculation) is.  I also think when you finally achieve a Super-O, that feeling becomes your baseline, not your pinnacle.  Even though you may not feel the usual "pleasure" from a Super-O that you feel from typical orgasm with ejaculation, the euphoric pleasure is absolutely there with a Super-O.  I'd even venture to say that I experienced at the least a dry orgasm or maybe Mini-O in the past, but was unable to realize it because I couldn't look past my conception of what an "orgasm" was supposed to be because all I had experienced was one with ejaculation.  

    My girlfriend and I have done a lot of play with "Edging". Mutually this is a lot of fun and has heightened our sexual relationship quite a bit.  For those that don't know what "Edging" is, the idea is to hold your partner as close to the point of no return as possible for an extended period of time. Also referred to as "tease and denial"... without the denial part lol.  The main difference to me (and this may not be the same for other users) is that the intense pleasure feeling from edging (and remember this is RIGHT before the point of no return and holding there), is focused on my penis rather than other areas of my body.  With my Super-O session, it seemed to be the same type of intensity, except more intense and having virtually nothing to do with my penis.  Now, my first Super-O got so intense that I couldn't help but end it and finish myself off traditionally; But now I'm fully aware of the fact that, to a point, I can control this and build it to even larger heights because I won't ejaculate.  

    No matter how much I want the pleasure to keep going, if I ejaculate, it triggers the refractory period and I'm done for that round.  With the Super-O, you get to the point where with traditional stimulation you would absolutely ejaculate, but you don't!! So you can keep going even further and higher.

    Finally, when I had my first Super-O, the key was when I realized that the orgasmic feeling I had was only at the MOST 25-35% from the physical stimulation of the Aneros.  The Aneros was a catalyst, encouraging the intense feeling of arousal.  I've read that men are capable of reaching the Super-O with virtually no physical stimulation and no Aneros at all.  (Can't remember what this method is called)... Anyway, when I finally stopped worrying about what the Aneros was doing physically and started focusing on my body and what my body and MIND were creating for me, it started to escalate, and kept escalating.  I can't imagine what I'll be able to feel once I hone my skills to the point of being able to withstand the intensity and move forward into ecstasy. Hehe!

    Cheers!

    John
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    John2340,

    Excellent thoughts, I hope every man can achieve your level of understanding. I know you've now made the paradigm shift in thinking necessary to Super-O more often.

    Your inner world has changed more than you have yet realized and it is a beautiful change to experience.
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  • Try, try, try a new metaphor to enhance the paradigm shift ...

    Imagine yourself as a fish in the middle of a shoal of fish, imagine yourself as a bird in the middle of a flock of birds - somehow you are moving completely in time with your fellow fish / birds - experiencing the wonderful phenomenon of group 'flocking' behaviour.

    Imagine there is a nerve wandering all over your body whose designed purpose is to provide a perception of 'flow' - in the case of a bird and a fish it allows them to tune into the pattern of movement about them and unconsciously blend in synchronisation with the 'flocking' behaviour.

    Imagine this nerve wandering in you and it gives you the sense of 'flow' when you ejaculate, a very tantalising glimpse of what the awareness of flow of energy might be.

    Imagine one day that nerve begins to feedback a sense of other energy flows in and through your body.

    Such a nerve is the vagus nerve and it interconnects across the body and perhaps it can be 'tuned' in Rumel's sense by nudges in 'voice', 'breathing' 'prostate stimulation' - I'm speculating here, but I intuit the vagus nerve orchestrates the perception of orgasm based on a growing conscious awareness of energy flows throughout the body, the ebbs and flows, the tides of internal and perhaps external flocking phenomenon.
  • Tomasheen
    Posts: 181
    This is all excellent stuff and  encourages one to keep going. However, not everyone has these experiences. Most of the time it is a fairly low-level flow with some higher peaks. I have progressed a lot over the 4 years I have had the Anerous. 

    For me, the most important aspect has been the awareness that has developed of the immense variety of sensations available to the keen student. I have long since put the idea of the Super-O on the back burner as I found it was becoming the main goal of my efforts. I was missing all the wonderful wild flowers on the way.Now, I begin my session and within a minute or two, I experience some sweet and beautiful awe-inspiring delights. I can now reach that fantastic moment when the contractions lead to a flutter of great joy. I can sometimes hold on to it and indeed, repeat it a number of times. It can be exquisite and joyful. It is not a super-O.

    Sometimes reading the forum, I get a little disheartened by the Fantastic, four-hour precum flowing, shaking , trembling, and threshing about one sees on the videos.

     And by the way, the abutment tab's position is indeed, most important. The subtle interplay between the tab's pressure on the perenium? and the level of contraction is so well worth exploring. This forum provides a wealth of splendid information but one needs to remember that not everyone is up to the task of getting everything quickly and there is plenty of time  . Mr. Mayfield , Rook and others have often made these points. This realisation has saved me from giving up.  There are more  joys to come and they may be just around the corner.
  • isvara
    Posts: 578
    Tomasheen
    Thank you for the above. I get disheartened a bit but recently realized the slow journey is actually full of many lovely feelings and changed attitudes. The subtle changes have actually been huge but gradual.