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Should I suppress spasms throughout my body? (And how?)
  • During my sessions, I often get an urge--not really an urge, but... it's hard to explain. I often end up with my whole body spasming and flopping about, without any real "orgasmic pleasure" going on--the spasming is kind of like a different kind of orgasm; it's a strange kind of pleasure in itself. Recently when I've focused on my butt during these, I've noticed that my anus is not necessarily contracting during these; as far as I can tell, no rhythmic contractions are going on. I can't say for sure, though; it might be that such contractions are hard to sense amidst the larger full-body spasms, which occur mostly up and down my back. Maybe I'll take a video of myself during this and see if I'm doing anal contractions amidst all this.

    One thought is that my body might be trying to use these contractions to move the massager against the prostate. This seems, though, like it would be counterproductive, as no significant pleasure is resulting.

    One thing I've thought of doing is "converting" these full-body spasms into contractions of the musculature involved in Aneros. Anytime I would feel like moving the rest of the body, I would channel that energy down into the Aneros muscles. However, this sometimes seems mechanical, like it's taking away from the organic-ness of the session.


    However, I'm not sure if I should even be trying to suppress the spasms or simply embracing them. The one Aneros experience that I describe as orgasmic was very recent and it was the first time recently that I've let these spasms take over. My breathing went crazy, and my hands were tingling after this experience. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't just psych myself out, and whether the tingling might have simply been the result of hyperventilation. :D

    I'm probably putting too much thought into it, but I wonder... how much spasming do the gurus experience, if any, during their Super-O's?
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    I do get the shakes, but I don't particularly encourage them. I let them ride until they've run their course. The pleasure seems to be on the other side of the shaking.
  • hydrogen
    Posts: 115
    It's a good thing and excellent tool. Don't waste it. Relax a little, let it travel to other part of your body, your legs, your feet, your arms and your hands. No point to use it for prostate, which is probably already well stimulated. Be careful not let it travel up to your neck to yout brain unless you know what you're doing.
  • Hello, MindTravels.

    Congrats on your progress! Those spasms are a good sign.

    I'm no Aneros Guru, just a 13-month user, so take this with a bucket of salt. Many guys here love the thrashing and spasming because they contribute to their Super-Os. On the other hand, there are also a bunch of guys, including myself who suppress or avoid the spasms as much as possible because they are distracting and tend to disturb our bed partners. Using Tantric Yoga techniques, I redirect the energy that would turn into spasms so that it goes back to my core, amplifying pelvic response and pleasure.

    One more thing: it would be nice if you combined your questions into a single post, which would make it easier to answer.

    Best Regards,

    Dave
  • hydrogen
    Posts: 115
    [QUOTE=ten_s_nut;102536]Hello, MindTravels.

    Using Tnatric Yoga techniques, I redirect the energy that would turn into spasms so that it goes back to my core, amplifying pelvic response and pleasure.



    Was that supposed to be part of your "do nothing" techniques? What were those crazy talks of "energy", "redirect", "turn into", "core" and "amplifying"? They sounded like a lot of "work". :)
  • Hydrogen;

    The "Do Nothing" technique is intended to allow the body to initiate involuntary contractions at the beginning of a session. Once those contractions really get going, a variety of "steering" techniques, like in Tantric Yoga can be employed to optimize the session. That involves mainly mental effort, but the occasional muscle "nudge" can be useful as well. When I was having a lot of trouble controlling the shakes and spasms, sometimes the only thing that worked was clamping down and stopping everything. Then, a restart usually put things on a better track.

    Best Regards,

    Dave
  • hydrogen
    Posts: 115
    [QUOTE=ten_s_nut;102540]Hydrogen;

    The "Do Nothing" technique is intended to allow the body to initiate involuntary contractions at the beginning of a session.



    Thanks, Dave. Not try to beat a dead horse, just want to clarify further. I just need to lube up my Aneros well, insert and wait. The involuntary contractions would come?
  • Badger
    Posts: 647
    I've experienced these in the past, and they worked themselves into HFOs; some wet, some dry, all pleasurable and fully draining the prostate. Sometimes when it seemed to wain, I'd concentrate on the feelings around the prostate, and give a small/gentle contraction, and away I'd go again. Only once was I able to start immediately towards a second one, and then my wife kicked me for disturbing her slumber, permanently ending the progress altogether.

    Due to sciatic pain, I've not been able to accomplish these 'spasms' to an O, but recently, when I lie down in bed, they'll start up as soon as get the covers up and start to relax. So maybe I can think about trying this again, after the kids go back to college after New Years.
  • Hydrogen;

    The "Do Nothing" technique has a bit of a misnomer (I didn't invent it or name it). Yes, you can lube up your Aneros, insert it and wait for involuntary contractions to start themselves. However, unless you are deeply relaxed, in almost a semi-trance state of mind, the chances are nothing will happen. The technique relies on getting your active-thinking mind out of the way of your body and allowing the low-level brain functions that control involuntary actions.to take over. This is not particularly easy; downright difficult for guys who are used to controlling everything.

    Best Regards,

    Dave
  • Thanks to all for the responses, good stuff.

    From one Dave (me) to another: I hear what you're saying about the different threads. I knew when I was posting them that night that I was going a little overboard, but I had a surge of inquisitiveness and they all seemed like distinct topics, so I posted them as such.
  • hydrogen
    Posts: 115
    [QUOTE=ten_s_nut;102571]Hydrogen;

    The "Do Nothing" technique has a bit of a misnomer (I didn't invent it or name it). Yes, you can lube up your Aneros, insert it and wait for involuntary contractions to start themselves. However, unless you are deeply relaxed, in almost a semi-trance state of mind, the chances are nothing will happen. The technique relies on getting your active-thinking mind out of the way of your body and allowing the low-level brain functions that control involuntary actions.to take over. This is not particularly easy; downright difficult for guys who are used to controlling everything.

    Best Regards,

    Dave

    Dave

    Thanks. I agree. Can we retire the "do nothing" phrase from this board? It does more harm than help. It's misleading, especially to a newbie. To get to semi-trance state of mind isn't a easy task itself. I found quite a few posters newbie and regulars alike quote "do nothing" like the catch phrase of the day. Maybe it makes them feel superior like a zen master.

    This board has been a great help to me. I don't want it turn into a new age mumble jumble phrase recycling bin. Thanks.
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    Actually, I had an Anerosless session yesterday in which I literally did nothing, just relaxed and breathed deeply. If any shaking or involuntaries were imminent, I relaxed more until the threat of them went away. There was a feeling of undirected energy building gradually, and eventually a tingling and glow all over my body.

    If you read back through my blog on here, you'll see that I got to "calm seas" through strict "do nothing" practice. It was only after that happened that I started to experiment with coaxing tiny movements.

    Don't discount a technique, just because it doesn't work for you. We're all different.
  • hydrogen
    Posts: 115
    [QUOTE=twlltin;102586]Actually, I had an Anerosless session yesterday in which I literally did nothing, just relaxed and breathed deeply.


    Breathed deeply is not doing nothing, my friend. Just because you don't know what you were doing, it doesn't mean you "doing nothing". The importance of breathing is covered by Aneros wiki as well.

    Do you know Ki/Qi? Do you know Qi Qong? Literally it means the art of air, or the way to breath. If you know how to breath, you can kill a man with a single punch, tow a truck with your penis, or cure others with your own Qi. If you breath correctly, you can bring yourself to super-O without Aneros.
  • [QUOTE=twlltin;102528]I do get the shakes, but I don't particularly encourage them. I let them ride until they've run their course. The pleasure seems to be on the other side of the shaking.image

    Same here, I usually just go with it, but I don't exactly encourage it either. The feeling is pretty nice for the most part, so I don't mind a bit of flopping around, so to speak.
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    [QUOTE=hydrogen;102591]Breathed deeply is not doing nothing, my friend. Just because you don't know what you were doing, it doesn't mean you "doing nothing". The importance of breathing is covered by Aneros wiki as well.
    "Do nothing" is in the Wiki too: Advanced Skills - Aneros Wiki

    So, is it possible to "do nothing" under your reckoning and not have a tag on your toe?
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,253
    MindTravels,
    [QUOTE=MindTravels;102526]However, I'm not sure if I should even be trying to suppress the spasms or simply embracing them. The one Aneros experience that I describe as orgasmic was very recent and it was the first time recently that I've let these spasms take over. My breathing went crazy, and my hands were tingling after this experience. I am not an advocate for trying to "...suppress..." any of these body reactions, I would encourage you to embrace them as part of your total experience. This doesn't mean you need focus on them or encourage these muscle spasms to continue, simply acknowledge them and continue to relax on through these transitory sensations. As your body and mind become more attuned on the back side of the "...spasming and flopping about," you will probably experience effusive sensations sweep through you, just as 'twlltin' noted in his post. I rarely experience largely muscle quaking and even on the rare occurrences I have, the episodes are brief, as I tell myself to relax on through them. Sometimes I wonder if I didn't just psych myself out, and whether the tingling might have simply been the result of hyperventilation. :D
    I'm probably putting too much thought into it, but I wonder... how much spasming do the gurus experience, if any, during their Super-O's?Trust that what you are experiencing is very real, this is not a self inflicted 'psych job' . The rapid breathing and tingling sensations are quite normal during orgasmic events, validate your feelings of genuine pleasure and excitement, it will continue to bolster your growth and progress.

    @hydrogen,[QUOTE=hydrogen;102583]Can we retire the "do nothing" phrase from this board? It does more harm than help. It's misleading, especially to a newbie. To get to semi-trance state of mind isn't a easy task itself. I found quite a few posters newbie and regulars alike quote "do nothing" like the catch phrase of the day. Maybe it makes them feel superior like a zen master. This board has been a great help to me. I don't want it turn into a new age mumble jumble phrase recycling bin. Thanks.

    I agree with 'ten_s_nut's explanation of the 'Do Nothing' technique. Strictly speaking, it is a misnomer (outside of this Forum). However, on this Forum, the term has long been used as a metaphor for a largely passive approach to Aneros use, so it is far from "...the catch phrase of the day." It amounts to the polar opposite of 'Do Something' which would be an equal misnomer. In the 'Do Nothing' realm of technique, actively employing the pelvic floor muscles, caressing of the body, nipple play, massage work, etc. are minimized or eliminated. This doesn't mean that one stops breathing, it simply means most deliberate actions to provoke a body response are set aside in favor of a kind of quiet, erotic meditation. I do agree with you that "To get to semi-trance state of mind isn't a easy task itself." Dealing with 'mind noise' is an obstacle to progress for many men and quieting the active mind into a passive state might also be considered part of the 'do nothing' technique.

    It is unfortunate you feel the term "...does more harm than help.", since it is so widely used and understood by most veteran users, it is unlikely to be dropped from the jargon/lexicon here. In the interest of clarity I have added the 'do nothing' technique to the Aneros WIKI - Glossary so newbies will not be confused about its meaning/usage on this Forum in the future.
  • only tried my vice twice and no shaking yet...been trying to get into a relaxed state...does a lot of lube help? read about the aneros "floating" is that from a lot of lube? was trying to force it...the focusing is hard
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,603
    Hey guys, I think we may be hung up on terminology and we've veered from MindTravels' topic. My thoughts here pretty well parallel rumel's; however, the following uses some different terms that may be helpful to some gents.

    So, I'd suggest taking a deep breath and backing off.

    @MindTravels: On thread topic: of the handful of incidents wherein I've plunged into major muscle tremor, trying to overwhelm the shaking has, in every incident, just made it worse. Muscle relaxation and a return to Zen-style breathing works for me and provides an easy transition to a more gradual build, yielding p-waves and increased sensual energy in the core chakras. However (again), some guys cherish the out-of-control feeling from these, focus upon them and may be making them a part of their orgasmic response.

    @a_u46099: For the larger tools like Vice it's usually good to start with a generous amount of lube and scale downward. You want to have the Aneros 'squiggly' inside your rectum. Think slick, as in: -- Idioms Glossary -- as slender as a reed - as smart as a whip -- :)

    @Hydrogen: Different topic: "Do Nothing," as twlltin noted --- this is a recent refinement of an earlier technique called, "Waiting for the Whisper" -- Advanced Skills - Aneros Wiki --

    Some History: several years ago, the written Wiki techniques were based on how users approached older Aneros tools (e.g. Classic, MGX, SGX etc.) Those were designed to be "driven" by anal contractions. Ridges around the lower body ensured a good grip by the anal sphincter and enhanced anal sensations. I tend to think that the gents from yesteryear functioned at a much higher level of anal frenzy than we do today.

    The user technique was, to contract creating mild fatigue. Then, relax and wait a moment for ano-rectal muscle tremor to mildly stimulate the prostate by reflex action. A series of these reflexive cycles might eventually result in prostate sensations increasing in intensity to emerge through the neurological noise level (emerge above one's natural white noise). For many guys a closed-loop was established in the Central Nervous System (CNS) yielding an "auto-fuck" response.

    I think other CNS responses, most superfluous, cause the random 'shakes' of which MindTravels speaks and those make up the 'meat' of the popular X-tube videos.

    Some guys may be focusing on these shakes and those become 'outlets' for orgasmic energy. Other guys bypass these major tremors and guide energy elsewhere.

    So, we started with two schools of thought and technique. One was the rather violent, contract-to-fatigue approach followed by rectal-anal-PC tremor or reflexive response. The other involved using very small anal contractions then "listening for a whisper" of tiny ano-rectal involuntary contractions that might be amplified or teased into more significant movements. Years ago, these approaches were written into the Wiki as a learning procedure.

    About two years ago guys began to talk about 'doing less' (paralleling the Zazen principle of meditating down into a 'think nothing' mode of brain silence.) Then, 'waiting for the whisper of a response.' This entered the Aneros scene about the time I started my journey. It was difficult for most newbies to understand, particularly for those 'well wired' into traditional penile masturbation.

    My variation on the 'listen for echos or a whisper' for the Eupho is to be still, then use deliberate but gentle belly breathing to stimulate the pelvic region. This allows minor tremor, breathing and arterial pulse to emerge as the motive forces to stimulate the Aneros-Prostate interaction. Gents with prior Yoga, Tantra or Martial Arts experience seem to do well with this gentle yet eclectic approach and get a good 'build' in sensual energy, leading to brain/full-body orgasms without ejaculation.

    Beyond that, many gents have had good results falling into deep relaxation and allowing random body and brain events to rise above a very low noise level (think the 'grass' level in a radar system or the faint white noise in an audio system).

    One might also argue that these events lead the person into muscle responses central to the Ideomotor Effect -- Ideomotor effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -- of old-time Ouija Board fame.

    Recent Wiki revisions and editorial work responded to these recent trends in practice and now include 'milder' paths to Aneros use. The term 'do nothing' was chosen by the authors (a very experienced team of gents) who, I think, wanted to counter the tendency of newbies to force orgasms with an effort and pace typical of classic male masturbation.

    Should you feel that 'do nothing' is an inappropriate label I'd encourage a contribution to the Wiki. Do that on one of the change threads in: -- Aneros Wiki --

    hope this helps
  • I love the way the gurus like Rook and Rumel think. I gotta remember to hold onto that.
  • hydrogen
    Posts: 115
    [QUOTE=rook;102637]paralleling the Zazen principle of meditating down into a 'think nothing' mode of brain silence.

    Thanks for the detailed response. I understand where you guys come from now.

    Off top: I've read quite a few Zen books in Chinese and in English. I haven't encountered any Zen school of teaching "think nothing". Observing, reflecting or contemplating are words to describe the practice. Stillness and empty are often used, but never "nothing".

    To my western mind, "thinking" is the most powerful form of "doing".
  • airbagairbag
    Posts: 116
    I also get these shakes, but because I discovered that full body shakes are indeed not particularly pleasant, I stopped encouraging them. For me the easiest position to get is the one from the manual, on my side with one leg bent. They might not be very pleasant, but they can be fun once in a while. I'm single, but I hope one day I'll be able to scare my partner with them.

    My relaxation phase is 15 minutes, during which I breathe deeply. It's interesting to hear the "do nothing" method actually is inappropriately named. On good days (I believe in good days, not good sessions) when I'm more sensitive down there, I can get curious feelings with no PC muscle use, just breathing. Does the "passive" (from now on) method involve any mental signals and mental focus, or can I just do the breathing and it will come eventually ? On a related note, would I get anywhere if I inserted Aneros and just read a book, or do I need to focus my mind on prostate feelings ?
  • twlltintwlltin
    Posts: 569
    [QUOTE=airbag;102721]It's interesting to hear the "do nothing" method actually is inappropriately named. On good days (I believe in good days, not good sessions) when I'm more sensitive down there, I can get curious feelings with no PC muscle use, just breathing. Does the "passive" (from now on) method involve any mental signals and mental focus, or can I just do the breathing and it will come eventually ? On a related note, would I get anywhere if I inserted Aneros and just read a book, or do I need to focus my mind on prostate feelings ?
    I think you do have a point about the inappropriate naming of the method. Yes, it is more passive or perhaps "receptive".

    I wouldn't recommend distracting your mind, eg. by reading a book or watching TV. I've tried listening to the radio during sessions, and they haven't been particularly good.

    You may have more success in a darkened, quiet room, relaxing and listening to the subtle sensations from your body.
  • Badger
    Posts: 647
    I've found that suppressing sensations like spasms can ruin or eliminate the sensations alltogether. I've found that by trying to suppress what turned out to be a desirable sensation, I've managed to eliminate the sensation completely, and can no longer feel that sensation at all anymore, which I believe can short-circuit the Super-O process.
  • airbagairbag
    Posts: 116
    [QUOTE=twlltin;102736]
    I wouldn't recommend distracting your mind, eg. by reading a book or watching TV. I've tried listening to the radio during sessions, and they haven't been particularly good.

    You may have more success in a darkened, quiet room, relaxing and listening to the subtle sensations from your body.

    I've found this on my own, after several sessions where I mostly stared at my penis (those freakish erections can be a turn-on). Since then I not only move the curtains, but actually put a thin blanket over my head and close my eyes. It does help.

    Badger:
    Supressing spasms "manually" is not the only way. What works is altering your position in such way that spasms are less likely to occur. For example, when on my back I get much less spasms if mu legs are straight.
  • I won't speak for what others mean by "passive" method. I will say that one time I put the Aneros in, started to read, and quickly got distracted from my reading (within less than 5 minutes) by what the Aneros was doing. I willingly put down my reading material to focus on the sensations from the Aneros (a testament to the sensations, because I get really focused on the book when I read, usually.)
  • Linum
    Posts: 186
    At the moment,  I am a proponent of the "do very little technique" :-S
  • Kev
    Posts: 87
    Hey all,

    Thanks for the wonderful discussion!!! :)  I find the "do nothing" term very misleading as well.. Though it's very hard to figure out a better term..

    Kev