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  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 817
    Hello, all.

    Looks like one of our more frequent posters, "Helixer" just got banned from this site.

    For the record, I'd like to say that I couldn't have disagreed more with the vast majority of what that guy posted. Could be, I'm his polar opposite.

    Since I've only been here about 6 months, I don't have much of an idea about what it takes to get yourself booted out. There doesn't seem to be a list of Forum Rules anywhere on this site, though I might have missed it. Some of the actions I would expect to cause eviction are, hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions, and anti-Aneros rants. Correct?

    Cheers,

    Dave
  • [QUOTE=ten_s_nut;97542]Hello, all.

    Looks like one of our more frequent posters, "Helixer" just got banned from this site.

    For the record, I'd like to say that I couldn't have disagreed more with the vast majority of what that guy posted. Could be, I'm his polar opposite.

    Since I've only been here about 6 months, I don't have much of an idea about what it takes to get yourself booted out. There doesn't seem to be a list of Forum Rules anywhere on this site, though I might have missed it. Some of the actions I would expect to cause eviction are, hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions, and anti-Aneros rants. Correct?

    Cheers,

    Dave

    Yeah I have slowly been noticing his remarks, its fsair enough to have veiws but if they are like that dont push them onto people, to be honest if thats how he lives his life he is missing out
  • There doesn't seem to be a list of Forum Rules anywhere on this site, though I might have missed it. Some of the actions I would expect to cause eviction are, hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions, and anti-Aneros rants. Correct?



    So why did Helixer get banned?
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    ten_s_nut,

    When I first joined this Forum (2007) there were stated conditions for membership to which we all had to agree to join. 'Helixer', (join date Sep 2008) was subject to those same conditions. Here is a copy of that agreement -

    "The Aneros Forums, Blogs and Aneros Chat Center are provided as services to the users of our products. Note: By pressing the button you declare that you are over the age of 18.

    From time to time we at Aneros will take a look at the messages being posted and also attempt to answer questions directed directly to Aneros as well. Please remember that we at Aneros are ultimately not responsible for any of the messages posted. We cannot confirm the validity and accuracy of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Aneros. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by email. We have the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, so please realize that we may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately.

    You agree, through your use of these services, that you will not use the Forums, Blogs and Chat Center to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, hateful, harassing, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post irrelevant or non-constructive content that adds no value to the discussion or forum. You agree not to post sexual, ethnic, racial, or other discriminating slurs. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by Aneros. Any posts that are blatant promotion of other products may also be removed at our discretion.

    Although Aneros has no obligation to do so, Aneros reserves the right to delete portions of or entire posts that violate the above rules for any reason or no reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless Aneros with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your messages(s).

    Please note that advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are inappropriate on the Aneros Forum."


    IMHO, the Aneros Company has shown remarkable restraint in exercising any forms of censorship on this Forum. As you can see from the above "...hate speech, personal attacks on another member, off-topic posts, political or religious diatribes, commercial product promotions..." are all inappropriate topics and subject to intervening action by Aneros. It is noteworthy that "...anti-Aneros rants" are NOT listed and there are a few existing posts of such nature on this Forum. This indicates a high degree of confidence in the quality of their (Aneros) products to allow even negative opinions to exist here. In one of the rare instances of thread deletion Aneros Support posted the following -

    "Hello Aneros Forum Members,

    From its humble beginnings as a guestbook, the Aneros Forum was created as a place to simply discuss all things related to the Aneros and prostate massage. The greatest thing about the Forum is the community - the Aneros Forum has always been an arena for intelligent, creative, and open-minded discussion supported by the most amazing user community around.

    Helixer has raised some questions that we'll attempt to clear up here.

    We will start by saying that one of the posts he refers to was mistakenly deleted instead of having just having an explicit pornographic picture removed. The words have been restored, but picture has been removed. His was not singled out. There are other forums for these types of pictures, but we've never encouraged them to be added here.

    Now onto to the topic of removed threads/posts. There are very few reasons why a post or thread would be removed.

    The first reason is a mention/promotion of a patent-infringing product or company that produce patent-infringing products. Members will see discussions about products like the Prostate Cradle and Rude Boy scattered throughout the forum. The Prostate Cradle is an original product built from a completely different idea from ours. The Rude Boy blurs the line a bit but their intention was to create something new. We welcome this kind of competition.

    So what is the big deal about "thou company that shall not be named?" "TCTSNBN" is a company that derived, not created, most of their products from ours. We believe they have stolen our ideas, and we are currently in litigation to legally establish this. We simply will not allow any posts, even negative ones, that will promote a company that creates infringing products. In fact, we've removed many posts that have stated how terrible their products are, and there have been plenty of those. They, and other companies like them, will not receive publicity of any kind on this forum.

    We have never claimed to hold a monopoly on prostate massage. Of course prostate massage has been around long before we came around. We simply are exercising our rights as the patent owners of an original to protect the considerable time and dollars we spent to create something wholly original. The idea for the Aneros did not come out of a Cracker Jack box.

    When our litigation is complete, we'll be happy to share the history and some details about the case. Our relationship with them goes back quite a ways. Until then, the policy is that discussions of patent-infringing products are not allowed on the forum. We hope you understand.

    Beyond this first reason when it comes to thread removal we'll go on a case-by-case basis. We've never had to do it until now. If we are going to set the criteria, a thread would have to have a combination of these qualities - off-topic, personal - politically motivated, extremely hostile in tone and verbage, or one which espouses an opinion that is so egregiously opposed to our core values that it should be removed. At Aneros we are a very tolerant bunch of folks, so it would have to be something very particular.

    The thread that was recently removed fell into these categories, and unfortunately that was the recent poll about the values of intellectual property rights. First the thread was completely off-topic and not directly related to the Aneros or prostate massage. There are any number of places (personal blog, other forums) for the author to state these beliefs, not here. Aside from being off-topic it exhorted the virtues of piracy, suggesting that people obtain the Hypnaerosession this way. In light of our current litigation coupled with the fact that we know there was a huge time and energy spent by many of our community members to create the Hypnaerosession, though it was the first time we've had to do it in the 8 years the forum has been around, it was an easy decision to remove this thread. Rumel and 5 other of our forum members, in their spare time, busted their asses (pun intended) to create this recording for the benefit of the wider community. They are not going to wake up as millionaires (unless they already are) from the profits of the Hypnaerosession, so aside from the kind words for their efforts, please buy the CD or digital download and don't get a pirated version. They deserve to be compensated for their original, creative work. The rant about the merits of intellectual property rights undermines the creative spirit that we operate by.

    To address a couple of other points made in this thread directly:

    Helixer, if you are interested in other manufacturers, go to Google, go to Bing, and go visit their websites. And if it wasn't clear before, I hope you understand our position now on patent-infringing products.

    Mr7G, we appreciate the casino analogy, but the forum has never been about house rules. Our ligitation has forced us to add a caveat, but the tenets and spirit of the forum will always be the same - openness, tolerance, respect, intelligence, sharing.

    Waverider, you will find many posts in the forum that could be deemed by others to be "commercially threatening" to us. We have always welcomed any comments, positive or negative about our products and company. We have never censored these and never will. Our long-time members can vouch that this is the case. We've never removed them. Why? We believe in our products. Remember, we're the only manufacturer that offers any type of guarantee on their products.

    And actually, unless the post contains patent-infringing content, it would be difficult for us to find something "commercially threatening." We are very secure in what we do. And for the most part, we see very few vindictive posts (search on rayvega). Most of the posts that are negative are from frustated users who aren't seeing results as quick as they'd like or expect.

    We didn't create the forum as a marketing tool to sell more products. Of course we would love nothing more than to have everyone say the Aneros is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but this is not why we created the forum. The forum was created so that people have an avenue to share, seek advice and help each other out. It's as simple as that. It's particularly a great place for men who *are* getting frustated because they have the benefit of having thousands of our customers' experiences that their disposal. We know for many men the journey to the Super-O can be a long one (just ask Love_Is). Every journey is unique, and it could be one tidbit that a new user need that could trigger something to get him on the right path.
    The forum has organically grown into what we feel is the most unique forum of its kind. It's a place for potential customers to ask questions about the products. It's a place for new users to ask more experienced users for advice of all kind. It's a place for experienced users to discuss advanced topics. It's a place where folks can safely express themselves on topics that are very personal in nature. It's a unique, open place, and going around censoring and deleting posts and threads that didn't say "Aneros is the greatest" wouldn't make the forum feel very open.

    If you have been following this thread, we appreciate the time you spent in reading this post. We will keep this thread up for a day and then will be removing it. Thanks.

    Aneros Support"


    It seems pretty clear to me Aneros Support does not take action based on petty or trivial issues, nor did they take this most recent action of banning on a whim. 'Helixer' was well aware of his repeated violations of the membership agreement yet he continued to post in violation of that agreement. I believe that is the reason his posting privileges have been terminated.
  • @ Rumel I was searching thru Helixer's posts, I can't find any posts about that. Can you tell me when he posted this?
  • nurselady
    Posts: 77
    Ten_s_nut,
    It has been awhile since I joined. However, I do recall a pop up box that stated some rules and what would be expected for posts. Defamatory, obscene, hate speech, and others. You must sign off on this to become a member. BTW, I believe I've seen that same picture (Nirwananeros) as used by Helixer. I've had a growing feeling for some time about this issue. I've hung around here for years and enjoy the banter and learning curve on this forum. I think you all are a great group of men, but Helixer's posts have made me reluctant to post. I think perhaps you will see more posts by couples and women if he indeed he has been removed.
    Nurselady
  • @nurselady Yeah, I think the whole forum has been holding its breath for you to post. Now's your chance ;)
  • nurselady
    Posts: 77
    Really? How odd... the whole forum? lol That's funny. Thank you for your kind words. Everyone breathe EASY.
  • I'll probably get banned for this as well, but if freedom of speech isn't allowed on this forum I have no place on it anyhow.
    If it was for personal attacks, Polecat and imp would be prime suspects. Looking thru their posts they never came up with a new topic or interesting new insights, their sole contribution has been to criticize others.
    I can't say I agree with everything Helixer wrote, but I've benefitted greatly from some of his posts like his recent suggestion to use moans to amplify arousal and to activate the multi-orgasmic potential. I also downloaded the book he posted Awakening the Healing Energy which really helped my energywork.

    IMO there's a lot to be learnt from an Aneros veteran like Helixer. I don't think he was a misogynist he just applied the concept of direct prostate stimulation(vs the traditionally indirect)to other areas, direct pleasure instead of indirect, man turning inside to discover what pleases him instead of what pleases her.
  • The_BishopThe_Bishop
    Posts: 810
    nirwananeros-

    Love your avatar!! <3
  • But, what's done is done and now nurselady and the couples can finally talk about having sex, all this talk about Super O's and solo sex is simply revolting
  • Thanks Bishop, that's me, boobcrazy!
  • Sirius
    Posts: 11
    At last! This guy was an embarrassment.
  • nurselady
    Posts: 77
    Sir,
    I would disagree w/ you a bit on your reply. First, we all love our country and the right for freedom of speech. However, this forum is a private forum. There are rules on it for the masses to understand and follow. You have some great upsets it seems for Polecat and imp. However, there are many persons on this forum that offer many new topics each week. Some are questions, others may be experiences or just comments.
    I would have to say, Helixer may have has a momentary comment that would be interesting and I could agree with on some level. The moans... sure, I can buy that post.
    Nurselady
    However there were many posts way over the top. You stated that Helixer was not mysogynist? Oh my! Dear, do yourself a favor and reread his many posts. I don't buy that one for a moment! I'm not EVEN going to go back thru the posts in this forum to copy quotes, etc. My time is way too worthy.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    Nurselady,

    Thank you for confirming that which I have long suspected, namely that the misogynistic posts by some members such as 'Helixer' have a depressing effect on a woman's willingness to post here. It is an unfortunate consequence when a few antagonistic posters intimidate and stifle true open dialogue about the pleasure potential we all can experience by sharing our knowledge.

    @Nirwananeros, of course you won't find "...any posts about that." , 'Helixer's original thread and Poll were deleted by 'Aneros Support', as noted in the quoted 'Aneros Support' post. I have no way of informing you when the posting occurred since the reference date was deleted along with the post. I copied the 'Aneros Support' post when I saw that it was going to be deleted along with the thread. I thought it was particularly well written and elegantly stated the concern the Aneros Company has for this Forum and some of the reasoning behind their editorial policy, so I wanted to preserve it for future reference.
  • QuoVadis
    Posts: 30
    I'd just like to share my appreciation for Aneros Support's extremely level-headed, mature, and reasonable discourse. In a world where corporate-speak is expected to obfuscate, here is a positive example.
    Thanks.
    QV
  • RJT
    Posts: 41
    I participate in a few other (totally unrelated) forums. I have to say I've been impressed by just how level headed and constructive the vast majority of the posts have been here and by how tolerant the moderators have been. Maybe there is something about the personal nature of the discussion that self selects towards posters who are more open minded (let's face it, going on the internet to post that you shove things where????!!!! requires a degree of open mindedness...)

    There is only 1 user I have ever felt the need to add to my ignore list, but that is a feature of the forum I greatly appreciated.

    I had noticed the lack of recent posts from female members, but hadn't put two+two together. I hope the discussion of couples practices can grow from both sides.
  • brine
    Posts: 224
    Aneros made the right decision.
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    I am somewhat saddened to see him go; he was always a bit of a provocateur, but unfortunately, his ribald sense of how things are and his way of making a point finally got the better of him.

    He needs a good woman to help him get things into perspective. I wish him nothing but the best.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    [QUOTE=Nirwananeros;97553]I'll probably get banned for this as well, but if freedom of speech isn't allowed on this forum I have no place on it anyhow.
    .

    "Nirwananeros" /
    Helixer,


    As someone who
    has created a fair amount of content here, I must say that I have become increasingly concerned with the tone of your threads for some time now. In addition I have become alarmed at the way that you have you co-opt the threads of others, ignoring the original topic in favor of a regurgitation of your views, views that have been aired countless times before. As one who has been here from the beginning I can tell you that this forum has been built on a strong foundation of inclusiveness and civility....values that you have chosen to reject.

    While the manufacturer has sponsored this place for us, it is the quality of the people here.....the membership, that have been responsible for making the Aneros forum the unique place that it is.

    As Rumel stated, the owner's of this site have shown unusual restraint in dealing with you. I assume this was done in consideration for the valuable content that you have generated in the past. But with all things there are limits. From what I understand you have been asked to tone down your rhetoric on numerous occasions and agreed to do so only to ramp it up in ever increasing levels of intensity. It appears like you can't help yourself....just as you couldn't resist taking swipes at
    Nurselady in this thread. The truth is, you certainly can't be surprised or shocked that this step has been taken, you were repeatedly warned of the consequences if you persisted on this course. Up until now the community has policed itself. This is the first and only incidence of banishment that has occurred here. Given what I've witnessed I believe it to be justified.

    With respect to being "banned as well"....yes, this is true, as you Helixer and Nirwananeros are undoubtedly one in the same person.



    BF Mayfield
  • impimp
    Posts: 72
    [QUOTE=Nirwananeros;97553]If it was for personal attacks, Polecat and imp would be prime suspects. Looking thru their posts they never came up with a new topic or interesting new insights, their sole contribution has been to criticize others.
    Here's all my posts, could you please point out to me in which of these posts I personally attacked anyone? Even one!
    4/28/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/worryied-aneros-will-lead-me-amazing-os-but-meaning-sex-crap-comparison-15523/#post97531
    4/20/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/hulk-hogan-15537/#post97379
    4/5/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-newbie-how-do-i-deal-urge-urinate-urge-stroke-15510/#post97013
    4/5/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/do-you-make-lot-noises-during-super-o-15509/#post97012
    4/1/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/precautions-aneros-use-15483/#post96888
    3/27/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/calling-all-vice-owners-15411/#post96672
    3/12/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/over-year-still-nothing-15418/#post96235
    2/14/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ot-male-gspot-pleasure-given-partner-15353/#post95600
    2/7/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ot-foreplay-15325/#post95365
    2/1/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/do-women-have-more-parts-can-pleased-15298/#post95089
    1/28/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/we-rewire-we-all-connected-15280/#post94936
    1/25/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/believe-god-15264/#post94829
    1/19/11 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/there-good-slang-word-prostate-15250/#post94669
    12/20/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/i-think-i-know-answer-now-15110/#post93588
    12/20/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/i-think-i-know-answer-now-15110/#post93585
    10/14/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/does-anyone-know-good-active-general-mmo-msg-board-14882/#post91781
    9/30/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/best-lube-can-made-home-costs-pennies-very-discreete-14846/#post91418
    9/4/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/adult-trade-show-aneros-videos-14738/#post90793
    8/16/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-coz-men-only-think-one-thing-14725/#post90260
    8/15/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-coz-men-only-think-one-thing-14725/#post90226
    6/21/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-crash-course-my-final-plea-14535/#post89236
    5/31/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-crash-course-my-final-plea-14535/#post88800
    4/23/10 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/semi-noob-here-could-use-some-advice-14440/#post88007
    12/31/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/my-progasm-p-tab-broke-13938/#post84550
    12/10/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/types-orgasms-13868/#post83934
    9/8/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/any-younger-guys-want-chat-12262/#post81645
    9/2/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/relaxation-during-sex-13513/#post81496
    7/17/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/many-types-orgasms-13365/#post80293
    6/6/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/cumming-attractions-12897/index3.html#post79482
    5/11/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-dangers-can-prostate-burst-squeezed-too-much-13181/#post78913
    4/30/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/never-before-what-now-13132/#post78617
    4/7/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ever-used-aneros-discretely-work-during-sex-13074/#post78130
    3/24/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/please-help-me-ive-tried-everything-13014/#post77697
    3/11/09 - http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/what-point-do-you-give-up-12967/#post77381
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 720
    I have only once authored a thread on this forum. Its purpose was to suggest that Aneros devices should be allowed to work their magic without resort to mind altering drugs.
    Since I admitted to taking medications to control blood pressure, I was labelled and named by Helixer as a hypocrite. Following his post to that effect, my thread was taken down and this left me scarred to the point that I was reluctant to make any further posts, let alone contribute to the discussion by contributing any further threads.
    Incidentally, I never did receive any explanation as to why my thread had been taken down.
    As a consequence, I felt I could not add posts to any threads to which this person had made a contribution. I have also continued to feel wary of contributing to any discussion that ventured beyond the purely physical aspects of Aneros use for fear of being further attacked by him. I must say I am glad he has gone. If he has reappeared under the under the name of “Nirananeros”, I will continue to be wary!
    I do believe that his suggestion that rape should be legalised is reason enough to have him removed from this forum!
  • VoyagerVoyager
    Posts: 200
    Well it has been an interesting day !

    The Helixer becomes the first member to be banned then he appears to reappear as Nirwananeros.

    I will cry no tears for the banishment of Helixer.
    He launched a bitter personal attack against my wife, her son and myself.
    I am sorry that the situation had arisen but the outcome was long overdue.

    Thank you Nurselady for pointing out the Avatar similarity.
    Yes Pommie, continue to be wary.
    I avoided as best I could to read anything posted by Helixer for a long time.

    As to the original question of when a menber should be banned/ shunned/sent to Coventry
    The answer should be when they lose your respect.

    I am off for a break for a few days.
    Enjoy your weekend Gentlemen.

    P.S. Support can you remove Helixers avatar.
    I am sure that MLK must be turning in his grave.
  • support
    Posts: 229
    Hello Aneros Forum Members,

    In almost 10 years the forum has been in existence, we've never had to ban any community member. That has been a source of pride for us here at the company.

    Unfortunately, Helixer (and his other monikers) is the first.

    We have had many complaints over the past year about *what* Helixer views are. We had less a problem with his ideas (skewed as they are) but had more of an issue of how he chose to make his points, to be specific, his choice of words.

    For example:

    "My take is if women must continue the pointless cycle of crapping out kiddies let them please pay topdollar for the sperm, 100.000 would be a good price to start the bidding"

    This is just one of many examples. Any every time he wrote something like this, there we would initiate what would end up being a back and forth dialogue via private message with us and him explaining why he needed to choose different words to get his points across.

    There was period of time when this tactic worked and he acted like the productive, creative member that we hoped he would be, but recently he had started to regress, and we don't have time anymore to spend a considerable amount of time drafting messages every time he toes the line.

    We will say that for a long time we wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. It was a bit difficult because he would craft his words and arguments in a way where he wouldn't directly say "I hate women" but it was easy to connect the dots. He would come back and argue that he's not anti-women, he's pro-man. And again, we would say fine, then construct your arguments in a way that will make people at least consider what you are saying.

    It's been a cumulative effect, but this time his text "You're right, time we get rape legalized." clearly went over the line and this sentence alone taken in a vacuum made it an easy decision to remove him, despite it ending the forum's decade-long no-ban streak. So Helixer, congratulations, you did it, you are the first.

    Over the last few years Helixer has made some really great and interesting posts but his ill-worded posts and thinly veiled insults towards other members constantly forced us to balance the freedom to let him as an individual express himself with the possible damage done to the well-being of the greater well-being of the community, especially for new members joining every day.

    Imagine someone visiting the forum for the first time and you read the thread with the rape line. It certainly would be a turn-off and despite the fact that his ideas are not representative of all the wonderful discussions we have here, it would cause casual visitors to the forum to never come back.

    We want everyone, even those who are "out of the box thinkers" like Helixer to feel like he/she has a voice here. But there is an acceptable way to conduct yourself and an unacceptable one. He unfortunately has conducted himself often enough and severely enough in an ill manner to warrant his removal.

    So we hope this gives everyone some insight into the thought process behind his banning. Thank you Rumel for re-posting our past response in reference to thread removals. Those guidelines are still current as of today. Happy posting everyone!

    Aneros Support
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    Wow. I didn't realize he stepped that far off the reservation. I hadn't read his responses in a while because he seemed to be getting more and more off the wall, and his ramblings/tirades more morose and verbose, and I didn't want to waste my time reading something that was no longer amusing, insightful or thought-provoking; it was just bellicose. It does seem to me that he should get some help in dealing with his apparent misogynism. I wish him the best.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,481
    Hi All.

    Well it appears that the inevitable has happened. Have not been able to do more than quickly pop in lately. I hope we can all move on. I too hope that women and couples here will post more, and more freely.

    My own take is that there is worth in that tortured consciousness and on occasion he would seem to be settling down and finding positive things to focus on here. I tried repeatedly to gain civil and more flexible conversations with him. Yet always the return to the rants. The man needs significant professional help. I hope he can get to it.

    all the hope that the joy and light of this energies revealing practice can bring lasting perspectives of pleasures, ecstasies and the energies of universal love solo and/or partnered all

    artform
  • thecritta
    Posts: 154
    [QUOTE=support;97594]Hello Aneros Forum Members,

    In almost 10 years the forum has been in existence, we've never had to ban any community member. That has been a source of pride for us here at the company.

    Unfortunately, Helixer (and his other monikers) is the first.

    We have had many complaints over the past year about *what* Helixer views are. We had less a problem with his ideas (skewed as they are) but had more of an issue of how he chose to make his points, to be specific, his choice of words.

    For example:

    "My take is if women must continue the pointless cycle of crapping out kiddies let them please pay topdollar for the sperm, 100.000 would be a good price to start the bidding"

    This is just one of many examples. Any every time he wrote something like this, there we would initiate what would end up being a back and forth dialogue via private message with us and him explaining why he needed to choose different words to get his points across.

    There was period of time when this tactic worked and he acted like the productive, creative member that we hoped he would be, but recently he had started to regress, and we don't have time anymore to spend a considerable amount of time drafting messages every time he toes the line.

    We will say that for a long time we wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. It was a bit difficult because he would craft his words and arguments in a way where he wouldn't directly say "I hate women" but it was easy to connect the dots. He would come back and argue that he's not anti-women, he's pro-man. And again, we would say fine, then construct your arguments in a way that will make people at least consider what you are saying.

    It's been a cumulative effect, but this time his text "You're right, time we get rape legalized." clearly went over the line and this sentence alone taken in a vacuum made it an easy decision to remove him, despite it ending the forum's decade-long no-ban streak. So Helixer, congratulations, you did it, you are the first.

    Over the last few years Helixer has made some really great and interesting posts but his ill-worded posts and thinly veiled insults towards other members constantly forced us to balance the freedom to let him as an individual express himself with the possible damage done to the well-being of the greater well-being of the community, especially for new members joining every day.

    Imagine someone visiting the forum for the first time and you read the thread with the rape line. It certainly would be a turn-off and despite the fact that his ideas are not representative of all the wonderful discussions we have here, it would cause casual visitors to the forum to never come back.

    We want everyone, even those who are "out of the box thinkers" like Helixer to feel like he/she has a voice here. But there is an acceptable way to conduct yourself and an unacceptable one. He unfortunately has conducted himself often enough and severely enough in an ill manner to warrant his removal.

    So we hope this gives everyone some insight into the thought process behind his banning. Thank you Rumel for re-posting our past response in reference to thread removals. Those guidelines are still current as of today. Happy posting everyone!

    Aneros Support

    We'll i am glad he got banned he sounds like a blinking idiot excuse my language but if someone is going to talk about women in that manner
    like that then they deserve to be banned, it seems like Helixer had some sort of hatred towards women which caused him to speak in this disgusting derogatory manner about women he is obviously a very sick man who needs serious help so i hope he gets and i hope i never see him on this forum ever again god riddens to you mate congratulations you succeeded in pissing everyone off and getiing yourself banned as the first member ever here on this forum give yourself a pat on the back why dont you idiot.
  • ok so we all know Helixer got banned.

    Although I cant say I agree with all of his views and I often disagree with him,
    I do think he was a major contributor to the forum. I also think he did have a lot of creative ideas and input that has helped others.
    I find his idealogy very thought provoking and interesting at times to say the least. Again I disagree with a lot of it, and some of the other stuff is too theoretical I think for me to either agree or disagree on.
    Basically I think the good he brought to this forum far outweighed the bad.
    Yes he did write in a sometimes offensive manner(more on this later), yes he did at times seem to get off topic on some threads and delve into his own ideology
    But I really dont think the forum will be the same without him, maybe we can give him another chance
    I also find it hard to believe that he a sole individual would prevent women and couples from posting just because of his views. I mean I disagreed with him on some points in the thread that he got banned in and I had no problem posting how my ideas differed from his own.
    I also think that some of the more intense stuff he said came off to me at least tongue in cheek rather then serious ie the rape comment
    But its a forum and its really impossible to tell the tone of an individuals words, thus I think a lot of what he said would in fact come off as potentially offensive
    So yes if he is allowed back I do think he should change the way he says things and some of the things he writes.

    Just my opinion
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    nervetweak,

    I am somewhat reluctant to respond to your post as you are a more veteran member of this Forum than I, but I feel compelled to express some information of which you may be unaware. From the very beginning of 'Helixer's membership there has existed an antagonistic edge to his writing and this is something 'B Mayfield' and I have discussed privately and been concerned with over the intervening years. I have also had PM discussions with 'Helixer' in an attempt to get him to tone down his rhetoric to no avail. I am not going to go into detail here about those communications but suffice it to say he was well informed about the turmoil and consternation he was causing for many members of this Forum, to the point that some stopped posting.

    [QUOTE=nervetweak;97611]Although I cant say I agree with all of his views and I often disagree with him, I do think he was a major contributor to the forum. I also think he did have a lot of creative ideas and input that has helped others. I agree with you here but 'Helixer' also had some ideas which, if followed, could have negative consequences. His hinted advocacy of permissive pedophilia, piracy of intellectual property, religious bigotry and finally endorsement of rape just are not, IMO, appropriate topics for this Forum, nor should proselytizing of these concepts be permitted. Freedom of speech does not include the right to falsely yell "FIRE" in a crowd, nor does it permit one to libel or slander others. Some of his repeated postings could even be considered seditious.I find his idealogy very thought provoking and interesting at times to say the least. Again I disagree with a lot of it, and some of the other stuff is too theoretical I think for me to either agree or disagree on."..,creative ideas..." "...thought provoking and interesting at times...", yes true, but then so were the manifestos of the Marquis de Sade or the Unabomber, creative minds do not always work for the betterment of their fellow human beings, both male and female.Basically I think the good he brought to this forum far outweighed the bad. Here I need to disagree with you, but I won't stoop to belittle you just because I disagree. I think it will take a long time for the negativity expressed in 'Helixer's posts to be dissipated by counterbalancing positive posts.Yes he did write in a sometimes offensive manner(more on this later), yes he did at times seem to get off topic on some threads and delve into his own ideology. But I really dont think the forum will be the same without him, maybe we can give him another chance. I agree the Forum won't be the same without 'Helixer' , it will be better and he has already had more than enough chances to prove his worth.I also find it hard to believe that he a sole individual would prevent women and couples from posting just because of his views. I mean I disagreed with him on some points in the thread that he got banned in and I had no problem posting how my ideas differed from his own. While it is true 'Helixer' did not "prevent" anyone from posting, his antagonistic style stifled open responses and this was expressed to me in numerous PM's from various members. 'Nurselady' only spoke up AFTER 'Helixer' had been banned, so it is obvious his presence was having a depressing effect on open dialogue, you just weren't seeing it. I stopped responding to any of 'Helixer's posts more than a year ago because I knew it was a waste of my time to attempt a rational dialogue with him. I have to salute 'artform' for his genuine ongoing efforts to keep 'Helixer' engaged in a caring manner, but even that proved fruitless. I also think that some of the more intense stuff he said came off to me at least tongue in cheek rather then serious ie the rape comment.Yes there were a few instances wherein his text had an ironic tone but all the male supremacy and anti-female rhetoric in so many previous posts belied the rape statement as more than "...tongue in cheek", this was a serious statement. But its a forum and its really impossible to tell the tone of an individuals words, thus I think a lot of what he said would in fact come off as potentially offensive. So yes if he is allowed back I do think he should change the way he says things and some of the things he writes.
    Just my opinionYes, I agree it is difficult to tell the tone of an individuals words just from the printed text, in a face to face oral exchange most of the communicated meaning is contained in the non-verbal information being exchanged, not in the actual words being used. However, in 'Helixer's case, he said he took a great deal of pride and effort crafting the words used in his posts, if this is true then we must construe the meanings in a literal manner. It is my understanding that 'Aneros Support' made numerous overtures to 'Helixer' imploring him to alter his presentation style so that his message could be more readily understood and accepted by the readership. He has already had numerous chances to have his standing in the Forum improved and he did not avail himself of those opportunities. IMHO, granting further chances to establish any credibility would be frustratingly futile and of no service to the Forum. We will be better served without the presence of disruptive, antagonistic, misogynistic posters who seek to demean all people with differing viewpoints than their own.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    i don't think that bears re-posting.

    all i can say is "good riddance."

    luckily, this is a private forum where there is an extremely sensible and tolerant moderator. with the exception of helixer, my experience has been that everybody, and i mean everybody, has been civil, mature and interesting. helixer's posts were 15% on-topic and 85% antagonistic dribble. it used to be the other way around. somewhere about a year ago i wrote on one of his threads something like "i used to find your posts interesting, now i don't even bother to read them."

    i count myself among the people he incidently insulted (more then once), not that the insults of an unhinged post matter. (i agree with those who think he probably needs some counseling. the idea of cutting and pasting the above junk is sad.)

    there isn't much use in continuing this debate. the guy wasted support's time and polluted the forum. we have more important things to do here. i cringe at the possibility of a newbie coming here to learn, landing first on one of helixer's threads, and fleeing with a dramatically wrong impression about this forum.

    singleuser, whoever you are, there has never been the first suggestion that single men are unwelcome. That is just nuts, as they participate daily in almost all of the threads.

    darwin
  • mog
    Posts: 149
    ?And btw anyone reading this, copy it and paste it everytime support takes it away?

    IMHO that post, being the precious drivel that it is, should just be ignored.

    Mog
  • tokertoker
    Posts: 128
    seemed to me guy was just posting shocking things to get a rise from people just a weirdo best forgot and he did mention using aneros with children of 8 i stoped reading his post's after that
  • PareidoliaPareidolia
    Posts: 74
    Oh boy, this thread has turned in some kind of a funeral reception, sprinkled with sock puppets. Helixer, whether you are right or wrong this won't solve anything. The genie's out of the bottle.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Well gosh... It's about time! Thank you Aneros Support for banning Helixer. This was long overdue. Much like Rumel and Darwin have said, I personally made it a point to ignore reading his posts and not respond to him. But then like others have said, what would new forum members think of the general feel of this forum running into his posts first off? Not good. I'm most sure that this wonderful forum will grow and benefit without him. And that people of both genders will feel more comfortable to post and start new threads here without feeling attacked or having their thread high-jacked.

    Love_is
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    I used to read Helixer's posts, but as he became more bellicose and confontational, and especially long-winded in his manifestos, I just quit reading them. So I am somewhat in the dark about what he posted that got him banished from the forum. From the sounds of posters who have been paying closer attention to what he's been saying, it does sound like he might be bipolar, or at worst, have some form of schizophrenia. I do hope he gets help and gets better.
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 817
    Hello, all.

    From the above posts, it seems the consensus around here is that Helixer was properly warned and then equally correctly, banned.

    I've noticed on other forums and boards that making a permanent ban effective can be very difficult for technical reasons, such as dynamic IP addresses and multiple user platforms. So I don't think we should be surprised to see Helixer return as a new user after a month or two. His return would be OK by me as long as his "new" persona is more in line with the rules of this site. I guess we'll wait and see.

    Cheers,

    Dave
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 720
    ten_s_nut,

    I hope you are right but i'm not sure it's working so far.

    It looks as if he has reappeared in this thread alone in at least five aliases. If so, he has already returned!
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