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Waking up without Wood
  • hulahula
    Posts: 212
    This is doubtless going to be a thread of little interest to younger posters, but I was wondering if any of you have any ideas as to why I should be waking up without an erection. I have no problem having an erection for sex, but as I am in my late fifties, I am wondering if this is a sign of declining testosterone? Maybe it's just an ego thing, but I much prefer waking up, and having to fight the pecker to point it towards the toilet to take my morning piss.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    Hey hula,

    It's always a bit of a surprise when a gent doesn't 'pole vault out of bed' every morning.

    Welcome to the senior's group! :o As long as you're getting it up for >20 minutes each day you'll live OK with this so don't sweat it. When you're not keeping it up for 20 minutes a day or not triggering an erection when you want/need one, then it's time to see your doc.

    Erection involves a complex interplay of chemicals (GMP, PDE-5, Testosterone and Nitric Oxide -- and perhaps a few others that haven't made the press yet.) More on this at -- BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - Sexual Chemistry -- .

    Yahoo's a-s-i forum -- Yahoo! Groups -- may be of interest as you move into this new phase of your life.

    Take care guy!
  • tallguy
    Posts: 57
    [QUOTE=rook;96670]As long as you're getting it up for >20 minutes each day you'll live OK with this so don't sweat it.

    Okay, Rook, you've made me curious. I am wondering, if on a given day a guy in our age bracket (i.e., got the free AARP card in the mail) is neither a) self-pleasuring nor b) able to convince our S.O. to play, then... how should he see to it that he gets it up for 20 mins? I mean, I'm a pretty busy guy, and I am pretty sure lots of days have gone by--maybe several of them in a row!--when I wasn't very sexually attuned to anything and am not sure I was getting my 20+ in.

    Regarding morning wood, even as a young man, for me it was always caused by the need to urinate. An erection is the body's best block against accidental urination when "the owner" is as sound asleep as a caveman in winter.

    For that reason, I still have morning wood (or at least a fairly firm buddy) when awaking with a full bladder. But that's not every morning any more, nor has it been since my early to mid 40s. Also, when I was younger, I would have quite the battle working around the erection (or getting it to go down) so that I could pee; now, it only takes a minute or so to win this battle--maybe just by brushing my teeth first and focusing elsewhere mentally.

    I have no issues getting it up during sex, unless I'm really tired or distracted. That used to be the case when I was younger, too, but now I'd say I'm a little more easily distracted. I am also more sensitive than I was as a younger guy to those occasions when I can tell my wife isn't really into it and is just trying to please me. That has become more deflating as I have gotten older, because I have higher standards now. (And let's face it, sometimes we guys want to be wooed, too.)
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    [QUOTE=tallguy;96692]Okay, Rook, you've made me curious. I am wondering, if on a given day a guy in our age bracket (i.e., got the free AARP card in the mail) is neither a) self-pleasuring nor b) able to convince our S.O. to play, then... how should he see to it that he gets it up for 20 mins? I mean, I'm a pretty busy guy, and I am pretty sure lots of days have gone by--maybe several of them in a row!--when I wasn't very sexually attuned to anything and am not sure I was getting my 20+ in. ... snip ...

    Here's the TMI: .....The 20 minutes is my Urologist's prescription for prevention of fibrosis (plaques that contribute to E.D. or cause curvatures). It's of course an estimate and is intended to match the time younger guys are erect during rem sleep. The idea is to regularly circulate freshly oxygenated blood through the penis plumbing. He hands each of his 'old fart' E.D. patients an inexpensive penis pump on their first visit with an instruction sheet on how to use it. One more thing to add to the morning shave, shower and Polident-the-partial routine.

    One of the difficulties of becoming 'chronologically' endowed is that I found more spare time to enjoy foreplay and sex but lost endurance. While my wife was eager to assist with arousal, eventually I succumbed to the magic of chemistry to keep it up. Old Dupont slogan, "better living through chemistry!"
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    Well hula, rook and tallguy!!!

    Welcome to the joys and challenges of the aging male. Last September I finally got my GP doc to refer me back to my cardio doc to see about the long sought replacement for the Erectile Disfunction inducing beta-blocker drug. I realize induced ED is not the cause you are exploring here, but I have to say that there are many medical and environmental chemicals that can accumulate to affect our physical performance. I am thrilled with the return of morning wood that I have obtained by getting one prescription switched to a new, non-ED inducing medication. Now to get new multivitaminerals that do not have the ED inducing ingredient in the "Mature Male" formulation I have had for a year or more unwittingly.

    Tallguy, your entire post is great but this last quoted section deserves a thread of its own, IMHO.

    [QUOTE=tallguy;96692]Okay, Rook, you've made me curious. I am wondering, if on a given day a guy in our age bracket (i.e., got the free AARP card in the mail) is neither a) self-pleasuring nor b) able to convince our S.O. to play, then... how should he see to it that he gets it up for 20 mins?...

    ...I have no issues getting it up during sex, unless I'm really tired or distracted. That used to be the case when I was younger, too, but now I'd say I'm a little more easily distracted. I am also more sensitive than I was as a younger guy to those occasions when I can tell my wife isn't really into it and is just trying to please me. That has become more deflating as I have gotten older, because I have higher standards now. (And let's face it, sometimes we guys want to be wooed, too.)

    [Have to leave with apologies – more detail later]

    artform
  • Just a quick note guys. Take L-Arginine. It's a non essential amino acid. I take it for bodybuilding. However, one cool side affect is erections. 1 week after I started taking this, I got wood all the time. I'm only 37 so I usually ok with erections anyway. But I wake up with my unit almost in pain cuz it's so hard. For best reuslts, take it right before bed on an empty stomache. Love this stuff. It boosts the nitric oxide in your body as someone mentioned earlier. Look it up and do your research. You will not be disappointed. Great stuff.
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 819
    Hello, hula.

    I'm way past AARP age and my solution for morning wood is sleeping with Aneros inside. It's great to wake up for a dawn session with an erection.

    I know, not recommended by manufacturer, potential for negative health effects, yada, yada, yada. So far, no problems. If any symptoms appear, I'll post a thread about it.

    Cheers,

    Dave
  • Turnrow
    Posts: 123
    Craig: How many grams of L arginine are you taking. At 64, I too am in the gym most days and I take about 6 grams of L arginine daily. I know I have lower T levels and higher estrogen levels. So the l arginine is not helping me appreciably with wood like you describe. Enjoy your youth, man.

    Tenis Nut, you are more my age so I am going to try what you have presented. Wood at night and in the morning are a boon to the male psyche. When it goes, men grieve. I want these back.
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 819
    Hello, Turnrow.

    If you're going to try sleeping with an Aneros device in you, be absolutely sure you have lube that will make it through the night. None of the water-based lubes have met that requirement for me. Vaseline covered with Olive Oil works, as does Astroglide X Silicone. (Of course, you can't use silicone lube on VICE.)

    Best of luck with it,

    Dave
  • tallguy
    Posts: 57
    I've concurred w/Ten_S previously...I advocate occasional overnight use as a way to "get in more Aneros time," and I report the same benefit: Waking up a few times during the night, and in the a.m., with a hard-on, like in the good old days. Also: Frequently waking up in the midst of a P-wave. In my sleepy mindstate, I then find it very easy to enjoy and extend the wave without thinking or analyzing my way out of it...just run my hands across my body, reflexively add some nipple stim, and maybe murmur a few words of self-appreciation!

    Shea butter is a fantastic all-night lube; it's still working 7-8 hours later, and, I might add, it leaves the backdoor nicely conditioned.

    Even without the Aneros in, I occasionally wake at night with wood (maybe as the result of a particularly spicy dream...still having these now and then...or maybe as the result of a full bladder), but not nearly as often as "before 40."

    Everyone's chemistry is different, but I have to say, judging by loss of lean body mass, energy, libido, etc., I must have begun a gradual T-slide beginning right around 40-42, but I don't believe I would be diagnosed as "low-T" today. (I did ask my GP about it in my early 40s, but he said I was within the normal range. During my next check-up, I'm asking again, just for the sake of tracking on baseline.)
  • tallguy
    Posts: 57
    From about.com

    "L-arginine is an amino acid that the body uses to make nitric oxide, a substance signals smooth muscle surrounding blood vessels to relax, which dilates the blood vessels and increases blood flow. Relaxation of smooth muscle in the penis allows for enhanced blood flow, leading to an erection.

    "L-arginine is found naturally in foods such as meat, dairy, poultry and fish. It is also available as oral L-arginine supplements, which some product manufacturers market as a "natural Viagra").


    "There have only been two studies to date, however, evaluating the effectiveness of L-arginine for erectile dysfunction.


    "One study involved 50 men who took L-arginine (5 grams a day) or a placebo. After six weeks, significantly more men taking L-arginine experienced an improvement in sexual function compared with men taking the placebo. Interestingly, it only benefited men who had initially low levels of nitric oxide.


    "Another study using a smaller dose of L-arginine and a shorter treatment duration found no benefit with L-arginine use. The study involved 32 men with erectile dysfunction who took oral L-arginine supplements (500 milligrams three times per day) or a placebo for 17 days. Oral L-arginine was no better than the placebo.


    "Side effects may include digestive complaints. High dosees of L-arginine may stimulate the body's production of gastrin, a hormone that increases stomach acid. For this reason, L-arginine may be harmful for individuals with ulcers and people taking drugs that are hard on the stomach.


    "L-arginine may also alter potassium levels in the body, especially in people with liver disease. It should not be taken by people who are on medications that alter potassium levels, such as potassium sparing diuretics and ACE inhibitors."
  • CockadoodleCockadoodle
    Posts: 397
    Very interesting thread, guys. I am now 65 and very active with both Aneros and non-aneros activity. Natural erections are not as numerous as in previous years, so you young guys enjoy them while you have them.

    I find I'm able to answer the bell yet, and have no problems with naturally stimulated erections. I can maintain for quite a while under most circumstances so I feel everything is working as it should. I seldom have morning "wood" however, but I realize this is most definitely a function of age. If I need to pee bad as I awaken, or at night, I do become erect as always to prevent accidents in bed. So far so good.

    Now, while using my Aneros, at least for the last year of so, I often, if not always, have at least one Aneros induced erection. These are the best, and my full body orgasms while erect are terrific. I also always get an erection or partial erection during my prolonged Super O events...most of which are pretty calm but highly stimulating and long lasting...over an hour in some instances, although rare. I hold my erection pretty well during these prolonged periods of high orgasmic activity.

    If I have a prolonged Aneros session, I will often have several instances of erection, all tied to the cyclic nature of my sessions. I also find that nipple stim is directly tied to penile arousal. Very nice.

    I take some excellent vitamins along with CoQ-10, a potent berru anti-oxident, and Vitamin D. I think that these supplement my well-being a great deal, as I'm never ill, no colds, no nuttin' and swear by their freshness and potency. L-arginine figures high in their estimation, as well.

    I digress. Erections are truly a mark of male prowess. No doubt, so enjoy, enjoy, enjoy. They won't last forever.

    Cockadoodle
  • hulahula
    Posts: 212
    It's funny, but I read that a "piss hard-on" doesn't actually exist, it is just a function of waking up from a phase of sleep where you get an erection.
  • tallguy
    Posts: 57
    [QUOTE=artform;96696]Well hula, rook and tallguy!!!

    Tallguy, your entire post is great but this last quoted section deserves a thread of its own, IMHO.

    [Have to leave with apologies – more detail later]

    artform

    ...I have no issues getting it up during sex, unless I'm really tired or distracted. That used to be the case when I was younger, too, but now I'd say I'm a little more easily distracted. I am also more sensitive than I was as a younger guy to those occasions when I can tell my wife isn't really into it and is just trying to please me. That has become more deflating as I have gotten older, because I have higher standards now. (And let's face it, sometimes we guys want to be wooed, too.)

    Okay, Artform, I've been wondering what intrigued you so!

    --Tallguy