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Believe in God?
  • I'm curious to know how many Aneros users are believers. I am, and I thank God for the Aneros. I've read a few posts that mention thanking God too. To me most sessions are what I would call "Godly" Any others would like to comment?
  • Turnrow
    Posts: 123
    God made these male bodies and put within them the power and pleasure of the super O. All good and perfect things are from ABOVE and altho I have not reached the super O, I am thankful to God for any and all gains that I have made as I know He created, He controls, and He orchestrates.

    For His goodness, kindness, mercy and even the blessings of what He wired into the male body, I am most thankful.

    I have a freind on TMB who shared that he experiences what you guys experience from his days as a pubescent boy, simply by relaxing to a meditative state with little touching of his penis. He is a Godly man.

    So I know that it is all possible and I know where this kind of pleasure originated and I thank Him on His day today.
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    I do.......!
  • I too believe in God --- the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! I believe God has known me since the beginning of time; and, I believe He knit me together within my mother's womb from a handful of dust. He has hedged me in from behind and before; and, His hand shall lead me and hold me wherever I go. I also believe God gave me the power of choice; and, I pray each day I will use that power wisely and to His honor. I do not believe I discovered aneros products by accident. Their use has provided a wonderful balance to other not-so-good-working-parts of my aging body AND they have helped bring my Beloved and I more intimately close than we ever could have imagined! My aneros journey has confronted me with many choices --- it has been God's strength alone that has guided me towards making choices respecting His gift of sex and not cheapening it. Each aneros session is full of rejoicing --- as is each intimate moment with my Beloved! I pray often other aneros users will give their lives Christ --- He alone provides an anchor and meaning to life. We ARE fearfully and wonderfully made --- rejoice and be glad in it!!!
  • I don't believe there's a God. I know there is. I composed a big, long post responding to this question this morning then lost it. Suffice it to say I'm convinced the reality of God's existence is not validated by religious experience, opinion or other subjective proofs but is supported by an overwhelming body of scientific and historical evidence but the most powerful proof is supplied by our own ability to think rationally and logically. Logic informs us of the simple yet profound truth that nothing can be the source of it's own origin, for to do so would require it to be (exist) and not be (not exist) at the same time and in the same sense. Reason also guides us in understanding that anything that comes into existence had a beginning, the cause of which lies outside of that which began. Reason also helps us grasp the truth that that which exists but did not have a beginning, has to have therefore always existed. It's been firmly established by science that all time, space, matter/energy in this universe came into existence some 14 billion years ago, the cause of which MUST lie outside of time, space, energy/matter. By nature of it's ontological status (the nature of it's being) this something that is the cause of everything else has to have always existed. It stands to reason, if something now exists, something has to have always existed. If there ever was a time when there was absolutely nothing, what could there possibly be now? The only rational answer is nothing. Because we exist and are having this discussion, we can be assured something has always existed and that this something is eternal, self-existent (it never came into being...it is, in fact pure being) and is also unchanging (that which is pure being can never be anything less and is never diminished). Furthermore, this eternal, self-existent being is also by necessity personal (in the sense that it has personality and intelligence) and not just a cosmic force. How could it be any less than intelligent? To intentionally create everything else requires intention, which requires thought and will. These things require intelligence and certainly it follows that since we are the result of this beings creative efforts and we are intelligent persons, our source can certainly be great than us in this respect but surely not less. Now wether you want to call this eternal, self-existent, personal, intelligent, all powerful being God or not is up to you. We're really just arguing semantics. But, when you follow this line of reasoning, you come to the inescapable conclusion this being we've just established exists, using only the abilities afforded us by rational, logical thought, looks an awful lot like the God described in the Bible. According to my understanding of the Bible, this God created us to enjoy Him and our bodies and I'm glad I'm made to feel such wonderful feelings in my body and share them with my wife.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I believe God was created in man's image. I also believe belief can be powerful regardless of the validity of the belief.

    An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves, who believes it futile to speculate on something he can't possibly know anything about.
    An atheist is an agnostic who asked a believer to tell him about his faith
  • RdrRdr
    Posts: 32
    [QUOTE=Helixer;94793]I believe God was created in man's image. I also believe belief can be powerful regardless of the validity of the belief.

    An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves, who believes it futile to speculate on something he can't possibly know anything about.
    An atheist is an agnostic who asked a believer to tell him about his faith

    +1

    I also believe every human being is his/her own 'god', as in everyone chooses/follows their own paths, and have influence in a lot of things.

    I recommend The God Delusion (Richard Dawkins) to everyone here. It's a good read, and puts you back on the ground with both feet.
  • VoyagerVoyager
    Posts: 200
    I read this recently.

    "I believe in those whom I love and trust.
    All else is foolishness.

    This god is as empty as his church.
    His followers choose to attribute all of their good fortune to him,
    but when he ignores their pleas or leaves them to suffer, they
    say only that he is beyond their understanding and abandon
    themselves to his will.

    What kind of god is that ?"

    My own thoughts are thus.

    Remember Mother Nature ?

    God is Nature and Nature is God.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    Yes.

    The gift of spiritual orgasm perpetuates my learning.

    ref: My post of Oct 2010 -- http://www.aneros.com/forum/groups/sos-sojourners/god-spiritual-orgasmic-potentials-24/ --
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    This is a touchy subject... I hope it doesn't go bad.

    I'm mostly Athiest in my own beliefs at this point in my life. God cannot be proven. Religions are man made constructions designed to extract money from people so that a few on top can live well, and to also control the masses in thought and belief. Freeing yourself spiritually, if there even is such a thing, does not involve giving your money away and conformity of thought. It's quite likely much more like what Helixer said:

    I also believe belief can be powerful regardless of the validity of the belief.

    If you believe that what you are doing is right and good regardless of what the rest of society thinks, then it is, to you. People who make un-ethical and dishonest choices continue to thrive and live lavish lifestyles despite what is considered to be good and right. These people are everywhere. Not that I advocate or want to live this way. But if what these people are doing is so spiritually wicked, why does it continue with little to no retribution? I choose to believe in myself rather than some made up deity.
  • Love_is...
    I agree, it is a touchy subject but I think we all agree, the implications are dramatic, to say the least. On your assertion that God cannot be proven...since I'm in the field of communication and also as one who follows Christ and strives to clearly articulate truth, I'm always interested in how I can communicate more effectively. I'm curious...did you read any of my post? If so, what part of my argument do you not find rationally plausible or convincing? Did I not make sense or do you not really care all that much?

    I'd appreciate any insight you can provide, as it will help me do a better job of clearly articulating my position and the evidence for God's existence.

    No one has addressed my arguments directly as of this point and I'm not sure if it's because I didn't communicate clearly, nobody cares or the subject is just too "out there" for this venue.

    Thanks for your perspective.
  • It's good to know there is christian here in the forum. I'm also a christian - born again 23 years ago. Start to practice my aneros last year.
    Not yet break thru though. Always had this mindset whether it against christian values..(this word always linger in my thought - your body is
    the temple of the Holy Spirit, and read some out of body experience where some user visit "throne room" seeing earth from distance..maybe this thing scare me to crossover..
  • Why is this question important to you?
    QV
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    The essence of belief and faith is that it requires no physical proof. I don't agree with the notion that the existence of God can be "scientifically" proven. Science is based on empiricism, religion is based on faith. There many things in life that we accept as true that cannot be proven, love for example. I'll leave it at that.

    I also wanted to point out that while there are those that accept the existence of God here, we are not all Christians!

    To each his own,

    Paul
  • Polecat,
    While I agree with some of your contention that some aspects of religion are based on faith, it is your definition of the word "faith" that I have problems with. You seem to be making the point that faith is a quality that requires adherence or acceptance of concepts for which there is no empirical evidence. Although this is a common claim by those who reject religious claims and even many who claim religious faith, I would submit that any belief in any worldview or theory for which their is NO EVIDENCE is credulity not faith. I also understand your point that not all who believe in God are Christians. Fair enough. But, one of the primary appeals of theism (the claim of the existence of a personal God) and Christianity in particular is that it IS based on empirical evidence...and I've supplied it in my rational argument: the existence of ANYTHING is a powerful proof that something has to have ALWAYS existed. Ex nihilo, nihil fit (out of nothing, nothing comes). Ironically, so called "modern scientific claims" that the universe just sprang into existence one Friday afternoon at 4p for no reason at all, out of nothing, having existed in this state for an eternity past, requires the kind of faith you are describing...belief that something can happen without a antecedent cause. This is a faith founded ultimately on an irrational and illogical claim: that nothing not only can but in fact did, produce everything. I find this kind of faith unsupported by the logic and reason my own thinking ability provides.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Yes, I'm a believer and am Christian. I cannot empirically prove the existence of God, but I do empirically question the ability of pre-biotic molecules to self organize into living materials that could in turn organize themselves by self-directing properties into higher and higher complexity life forms by merely random processes when the gradually developed intermediate stages of such processes would not have as yet fully developed attributes capable of being selected out by the environment in which they were in. But, no one was there to observe the origin of the universe or of life upon Earth to fully answer these questions, and neither can I. I just hold too many doubts that Darwinian macro-evolution can fully explain our origin, and inadequate faith that natural processes are all there is, to face life and its end.
  • Badger
    Posts: 652
    I am also a Beliver and follower of Christ. In as little as 75 years ago, philosophers debated the existence of God, and scientists were the skeptics, or agnostics, as you may. Today, with the ability to look at the molecule itself and look at look at galaxies forming and dying, scientists' are now saying that there has to be a God, because of the intricacies and order of the universe; and philosophers are now the atheists, denying the existence of God with no logic or scientific facts, but only with argumentive tactics.

    For instance, look at fractals: they are found everywhere, they are the building blocks of everything from ice crystals to mountains. And the basic shape is the triangle - the smallest object that can exist. Three points are needed for the basis of the simplest object, which is the basis for the construction of everything. Three points make one. Three in one, triune. God is Triune: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,196
    i am thoroughly atheist. but i am very glad there believers here because i like the idea of them participating in an activity that is generally considered taboo.

    darwin
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    @Newguy8762. To be clear I do believe in God, but I'm not a Christian. My statement regarding spirituality being faith based and empiricism being the basis for science is not unique to agnostics and atheists. Actually it seems to be the consensus of the various Christian denominations that I've come in contact with in my lifetime. As a matter of fact I've heard many Christian friends of mine defend their belief in God using the very same statement that I used earlier when interacting with someone who denied God's existence.

    Empiricism is about knowledge that is demonstrable, that can be tested and proven through observation and experimentation. This is not the province of spirituality. The point that I was trying to make earlier is that it doesn't have to be either! I'm in agreement with Slimjm , I hold with science but I can see a divine hand in the way of things in the universe as well. One does not preclude the other. My belief in God is not empirically based however, and I am okay with that.

    I think the most salient response so far has been from QuoVadis who has asked, why is this important to you? I'm kind of curious about that myself. I would assume that the thread author wants to know if those who use the Aneros are spiritual or not. That having been established it occurs to me that heavy theological discussions are probably best left elsewhere. This seems off topic for a forum dedicated to prostate massage, Super Orgasms and male sexuality.

    Paul
  • impimp
    Posts: 72
    Guys,
    [QUOTE=QuoVadis;94819]Why is this question important to you? Does it make the Aneros experience any more or less significant?

    I think not!
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    I'd offer that spiritual behaviors can support and enhance the Aneros practice and that a personalized spirituality need not be based on either religion or worship of a god or God.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Religion should be practised not preached, you're the God of your body. Don't be tempted or indoctrinated into revering a surrogate. Only a knave would try preach to others what can't possibly be known. Only sheep need guiding.The claims of ALL religions are non sequitur in nature. PERIOD!It's outside the box (so put a lid on it!)

    God is created in the image of man

    claiming anything else would be presumptious and pretentious
    Whatever answer is given is false because the logic is false.
    Still it shouldn't be anything to gloat about, it only proves some people are needy for a supernatural explaination and will go to all lengths to 'prove' or rationalize, and others are not. Neither can know.

    Neither those who claim 'knowledge' from religious 'authority' dating back to an age when few were literate,life was superstition instead of science and supernatural claims were common place. NOR followers of the scientific method, expanding basically only what we as humans are capable of understanding. All we learn is within the human ambit. So Atheists who believe science can give them some special qualification or weight in dismissing a possibility of a God are also wrong. Horses for courses, both wrong

    Even if I could prove there was life after death, it still wouldn't prove God. Making it conditional to religion is outrageous! Not only does religion covet truth, it pollutes spirituality subjecting spirituality to religious dogma.

    Do SUPER Os make the Super Man.Perhaps as artform says"as we rewire we're all connected"as in online and soon to be chipped. Man follows orgasm. This is why NirwanaNERO('burn like a fire in the groin')osians believe: ALL sexualities should be tolerated, cause the Super O is beyond sexuality,Inner sexual first and foremost, all sexualities are legal and free porn for everyone, YES@!, even to paedophiles! End the persecution! Give them some Polm, an Aneros, a soft padded sloped(Yeah a slope is good especially with a cushion as leverage) on both sided 2 sitter, and whatever porn they require.
    We're all victim of our sexuality, regardless of legality, and a Penis No Guy can't surely be a threat to anybody?

    Two options for society, Either believe sex is damaging for children before a certain age, or don't.
    It is interesting to note that in ancient Greece, the cradle of Western civilisation, homosexual paedophilia was part of the culture.

    For ever giver there's a receiver
    Beyond sexuality there's only equality

    The Aneros gospel has only one axiom:Penis NO! Plug N Play!

    And if you are needy for a miracle try HIH with THC. Inside is all you need
  • I was raised Christian, but my views became more atheist as time progressed. I don't have anything against religious believers, as long as they don't threaten me to burn in hell for all eternity, or tell me that i have no morals.
    :rolleyes:
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Newguy8762, :)

    First of all, the title of the thread is “Believe in God?”. A simple question asking each one of to state our views and beliefs. And up until your second post, everyone just stated their own personal views and beliefs and left it at that. Although I suspect that Bill Bately's intention in his post was to just validate his own beliefs of God with others who feel the same. Not that I have an issue with that. Although if this is indeed the case, a better choice of wording would have helped clarify what kind of responses he wanted from the users here. Ultimately though, you can't put up a controversial question like this and expect just the believers to post.

    Counter-Question

    Why is this question important to you?
    QV


    Thank you QuoVadis, you took the words right out of my mouth. So why is it so important that I understand your beliefs? Quite honestly, I don't understand your argument. It makes no sense to me, there is no proof provided besides your own argument which seems most circular at times, and on top of that, I could care less. The only way my beliefs in god will change is for myself to have a personal experience that clarifies the whole subject for me, not someone else's argumentative skills. And I'm not the least bit interested in having someone preach their religious dogma to me in an attempt to get me to change my mind or convert. The only way this thread is going to survive here is by people being respectful of others beliefs regardless if they are polar opposites extremes. Case in point, one of my best friends is highly religious. Yet we get along because she does not preach her beliefs to me. And rarely is there much mention of it unless I specifically ask. Otherwise I couldn't tolerate being around her. So, that's fine that you seem to have an argument that you feel creates belief in god for yourself. But I'm not interested.


    Love_is
  • Hello Love_is,
    Was truly just interested in your perspective on the issue and since you could care less, you've graciously answered the question. Thank you for your response. It was not my intention to offend you or preach in any way. My sincere apologies for clumsily communicating otherwise. We'll leave it at that. Have a good day.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    No worries Newguy8762, it's all good. Thank you for the polite and respectful follow up. :)

    Love_is
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    (HOW) civilized guys!, I'm impressed ;)
    "I'm glad youre impressed we've come to exterminate you"

    No debate?Pity, don't like seeing people rolling over so quickly
  • RipTheJacker
    Posts: 240
    i believe in god meaning good positive power light life truth ...

    i believe most people's god is a creation in their own image

    ... whereas religion can initially serve one in developing a spiritual discipline - it is a process by which god good positive power light life truth is ultimately removed from all things spiritual

    as a believer in the words of the man jesus

    ... i find myself spiritually in agreement with many self-proclaimed atheists

    as far as sex and sexual pleasure they are good gifts from a good god

    ... and religion can't stand that truth

    - rip
  • evergreen
    Posts: 20
    I think it takes more faith to be a non-believer,you have to believe in thousands of miracles every day.As a believer I only have to believe in one that being that God controls the universe.Also I don't have to sit and wring my hands as watch the Book of Revelations being fulfilled in the middle east.As an aside I plan on talking to Him tonight about my oldest son in Iraq and my youngest in Kuwait. Sincerely Evergreen
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    Hi gents:
    You might like to also post over in the SOS group. It's a wide ranging discussion of spiritual topics. From religions at one end of it's spectrum to simple and complex spiritual aspects of Aneros use.

    -- http://www.aneros.com/forum/groups/sos-sojourners/ --
  • Bill BatelyBill Bately
    Posts: 33

    I think it takes more faith to be a non-believer,you have to believe in thousands of miracles every day.As a believer I only have to believe in one that being that God controls the universe.Also I don't have to sit and wring my hands as watch the Book of Revelations being fulfilled in the middle east.As an aside I plan on talking to Him tonight about my oldest son in Iraq and my youngest in Kuwait. Sincerely Evergreen



    Yes, well put and well said.
    I'll pray for your two sons you mentioned as well.

    Bill
  • Tycho
    Posts: 12
    I am glad to see this thread. My journey has led me to research my sexuality even more. I began to realize that true pleasure in existing lies beyond the orgasm, but in acceptance of one self and loving one self. I believe in God and his son Jesus. My brief excursions to the edge of bliss without a woman has taught me that I can be truly content being single and yet not deny my sexuality. It was one of the biggest questions I had about Jesus. Could he have really been tempted by everything I was tempted by? How did he take care of all the sexual energy that is generated by our bodies and deal with it in a godly manner? After having one of my best orgasms ever without a woman, a lustful thought or even an erection, just proved to me that God gave every person a way to deal with their sexuality as an individual. Not just dissipate it but store it and use it for creative activities outside of sex. It made me believe in God and Jesus even more. Now what I am also thankful for is that my wife has agreed to research and learn this with me. We haven't started yet due to a wedding and a sick child, but when the time is right, I look forward to us praising God together for our sexuality. Just my personal beliefs. Take it or leave it. I am not hear to argue or force my view on anyone.
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    Was atheist when I was young. Turned agnostic as I grew older. Have been more of a panthiest over the last decade. But to answer the question of the thread. No I don't believe there is a single entity god. Especially a being that supposedly is watching and judging us determining whether we're going to heaven or hell after our physical body decides to shut down. Humans have existed for merely a spec of time since the beginning of time. Though I'm not quite sure if there ever was a beginning or if there will be an end. But I think it's purely ego and fear that drives humans to create the idea of a god and heaven and hell. I do believe that there's so crazy shit going down though. Some crazy shit...
  • I go between agnosticism and atheism. I cannot stand evangelicals who believe all must believe as they do or everyone goes to hell except them. As far as I am concerned, evangelicals have created hell on earth. Touchy subject? You're damned right this is a touchy subject and one that does not belong on this forum. Religion is personal. True, we are sharing very personal experiences but once we discuss religion and faith, then sin comes in. Well, isn't that special?
  • newguy8762
    Posts: 198
    Notsogood...don't want to offend here but it seems you despise evangelicals for intolerance...and yet your post is kind of intolerant. Double-standard? Or do you just hate "their kind" of intolerance? So, everyone else is free to discuss whatever they want here except those of us who wish to acknowledge a conviction that our bodies are not the product of unguided randomness but are fearfully and wonderfully made. There's a number of us despicable evangelicals here and I challenge you to identify ONE post or comment from any that is judgmental or self-righteous or condemns anyone in any sense. Actually, the worst vitrol has come from the most ardent hedonist in the group. Sorry if you've had some bad experiences with others who claim to follow Christ but maybe you could extend us a little of the same tolerance you seem to think we should be showing you? Peace out...
  • The_BishopThe_Bishop
    Posts: 810
    Religion and politics...can't we discuss something that we know we all believe in? The Aneros! :)
  • To newguy8762: I apologize for my double standard. You are absolutely right that intolerance of the intolerant is not much of an improvement. In fact, it is no different. Yes, I have had misery with evangelicals and still do. Nonetheless, all here have the right to express their faith. Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways.
  • Turnrow
    Posts: 123
    As a fellow evangelical, Notsogood, I applaud your response; and, I am sorry you were offended in times past. We evangelicals know that our position on many things in our culture are adverse to others beliefs. It was so with the life of Christ. He met stiff opposition which lead to his death.

    Still, in my espousing of what I believe I have arrived at a place where I dont condemn. Each man in on an individual journey. Mans search for meaning in life is inherent in all existence and breath. For me, that search has led me to know assuredly that the scriptures are as relevant today as when they were written years ago and that love is a much more powerful force than rejection.

    Blessings to you on your journey.
  • newguy8762
    Posts: 198
    Notsogood...all is good. None of us consistently live up to ever our own standards for behavior or expectations, let alone those pronounced from on high. All of us can be guilty of double-standards and hypocrisy from time to time. I KNOW I fall into such far too often. It would all do us humans a lot of good not to take ourselves too seriously. It would help us be more forgiving and accepting of others. I've found in the course of my life that I could end up being friends with people very much different from me in beliefs. You have a lot of character to admit your mistake and I respect you tremendously for that. It's rare on the internet to find someone apologizing for being hasty with their posts. Peace to you and my very best wishes for you.
  • I too am a believer in the Lord God Almighty. Even though the Aneros gives me worldly pleasure, I know it's not enough to compare to the infinite pleasure of serving Him everyday.

    His word is my lifeline, and His purpose for my life is something I live to find out. I can't wait to experience the eternity of Heaven with Him and His Son. I just pray that others will realize the loving sacrifice Jesus made for them before it's too late.
  • evergreen
    Posts: 20
    Thank you Bill best wishes.
    Evergreen