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A place to discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Is there a place to discuss couples sex and achieving super-os? Possibly one of the Groups? Maybe I could start a new group. I'm reading Multi-Orgasmic Man and I wish I could ask questions just like people do for the Aneros. I would join KSMO forum, but it's $75. Maybe there's another forum focusing on couples with a similar wealth of knowledge of the Aneros forum?
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Isn't Super O Couples Sexs a contradictio in terminis? Like a square circle?
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Maybe I'm misinformed and using terms incorrectly. I just mean to say achieving the amazing sexual experiences that are spoken about in the Multi Orgasmic Man book.
  • ForUs
    Posts: 15
    I'll be following this thread although I don't have a lot to offer besides a newbie's perspective. :D

    Helixer, I don't see why 'super-o' can't be a part of a couple's sex life. Just because it is a couple doesn't mean it has to be defined exclusively by penile stimulation to traditional orgasm. *wink* Some of our most intimate times involve supporting him (directly or indirectly) in achieving new heights, with or without gratification myself. Hubby and I are starting the journey of expanding how we define sex. It's a slow journey for us, but I am very interested in other couple's experiences.
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Helixer, dood, you're very good at expression your own views on life. But it's very important that all of us accept everyone's lifestyle. I can accept that you think marriage is an evolutionary misconception, so please accept that some of us want to live a married life.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,481
    Hi again Korkelz!! :D :D

    Thank you very much for this post and suggestion!

    [QUOTE=Korkelz;93640]Is there a place to discuss couples sex and achieving super-os? Possibly one of the Groups? Maybe I could start a new group. I'm reading Multi-Orgasmic Man and I wish I could ask questions just like people do for the Aneros. I would join KSMO forum, but it's $75. Maybe there's another forum focusing on couples with a similar wealth of knowledge of the Aneros forum?

    No Helixer, respectfully, "Super O Couples Sexs" is absolutely not "a contradictio in terminis". While mrs. a and I are at different stages in the orgasmic energies work that can emerge from Aneros and/or KSMO practices, we have amazing Super-O and Beyond experiences together, and we continue growing as a couple and as individuals in these astounding possibilities.

    I would be very interested in participating in a Couples Group here Korkelz. Many of the seniors here, like us, have thought that that might get a start in the new Seniors Lounge Group, but I believe that these possibilities are there for couples of all ages. Let's see if some of those interested in a Couples Group might gather in the extended Chat over the holidays to test interest in such a group.

    ForUs, congratulations, you are doing wonderful things!! Everyone interested could benefit, IMHO, from Mantak Chia & Co's book: The MultiOrgasmic Couple, as a great guidebook, even if our methods of getting there are different.

    ForUs, for yourself, you may be interested too in the Magic Banana: http://www.femenex.net/magicbanana/index.php This looks like a great possibility for female prostate (G-spot) exploration and development, the closest thing to a female aneros. (HINT Aneros: this could make a great complementary item in the "...For Women" section in the Store here!!

    all the best to every individual journey and every m/f couple journey together, and every m/m couple and f/f couple also exploring with us all, these universal bioenergetic ecstatic potentialities all

    artform
  • Badger
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    Helixer said:

    Isn't Super O Couples Sexs a contradictio in terminis? Like a square circle?



    Not really. Once my wife and I had a simultanious orgasm, and WOW!! It's still been the orgasm to beat, and I've come somewhat close to a Super-O a couple of times, When her vagina is spasming against your spasming penis, the sensations are multiplied, and it's a sensation that has to be experinced to comprehend. She nearly cried out! (which is saying a lot about her: she's as silent as a mouse for fear that the neighbors across the road, 200 meters away would hear her moan inside their house)
  • ForUs
    Posts: 15
    Thanks for the recommendation, Artform- that banana looks great! Certainly like the aneros analog :D My general tone is fine considering my age and reproductive history, but I've never been sure how to practice isolating specific muscles/movement. This simple little gizmo is now on the wish list!
  • RogerT
    Posts: 79
    My wife and I are going through the Multi Orgasmic Male book too. I would love to find a place where others discuss their experiences and offer tips and advice. But not for $75. :-)
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    One thing I'm having no end of trouble with is moving the energy. Another thing is feeling contractions before the penile orgasm. The most important steps seem to be the ones that the book just skims over, as if it's easy "just move the energy!" yeah right, this is very frustrating. I'm so lost when it comes to this stuff. For KSMO, is it required that you do it "spot on" or is it pretty straight forward?
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    I'm not familiar with the Multi Orgasmic Male book other than hearing about it but have really enjoyed seeing this past year how getting to the point of having super-O's enhances traditional orgasm during sex. Would enjoy learning more from this discussion or any group that forms.
  • Korkelz
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    Ok, question! I stimulate myself... I get a just past the point of no return and squeeze my kegel muscle to prevent ejaculating... After a few moments (until the sting of ejaculation subsides) I let go and let involuntary contractions happen... no semen comes out... but lots of clear-watery-slippery liquid does. It's not pre-cum (cowper's gland secretion) because it's in no way stringy, and has a tiny bit of an abrasive feel. I then go on to do this maybe 4 times. I'm doing this to try to experience involuntary contractions before the point of no return.

    Due to this leading to a loss of arousal/sexual energy (refractory period) I don't feel it's a very productive practice. So the question is... has anyone else experimented with this? What are your thoughts?

    Edit: Oh wait I think I'm leaving out a key to making this happen. I am also thrusting my hand into my perinium in rhythm with the penile stimulation, trying to feel as much sensation in the prostate area as possible and also trying to get to PoNR with perinium stimulation.

    Edit: An easier technique is to place fingers below scrotum and massage down toward to anus as a way to feel prostate-area pleasure. This should lead to leaking clear slippery stuff even without contractions.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Korkelz, :)

    I don't know what to tell you, as I have no direct experience in what you are talking about. But it sure sounds a lot like what is being discussed in the following thread.

    http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/off-topic-male-version-female-ejaculation-squirting-13579/

    It's also mentioned as a possible outcome of a type of orgasm from a man being pegged.

    http://tribes.tribe.net/peggingisforeveryone/thread/84aba9a9-3d35-4707-ae6d-1f6ea4c34d36

    Love_is
  • Edit
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    [QUOTE=Korkelz;93640]Is there a place to discuss couples sex and achieving super-os? Possibly one of the Groups? Maybe I could start a new group. I'm reading Multi-Orgasmic Man and I wish I could ask questions just like people do for the Aneros. I would join KSMO forum, but it's $75. Maybe there's another forum focusing on couples with a similar wealth of knowledge of the Aneros forum?

    I think the energy sharing you seem to be referencing and has been so eloquently described by artform quite often is a very special level to reach and my wife and I frequently experience this without intercourse being involved. The mutli orgasmic nature is so profound it can generate energy to be carried hours beyond. I think the discussion is a valuable one for many couples. Finding this in our 50's has been a wonderful gift and helped us bridge menopausal gaps that have existed for my wife. The breadth and depth of what we experience, with up to two hour lovemaking/orgasm sessions, is so much more than the previous 15 to 30 minute focus on a main event and the resulting crash. Let's talk some more as art suggests and perhaps another group is warranted,
  • HelixerHelixer
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    No Helixer, respectfully, "Super O Couples Sexs" is absolutely not "a contradictio in terminis". While mrs. a and I are at different stages in the orgasmic energies work that can emerge from Aneros and/or KSMO practices, we have amazing Super-O and Beyond experiences together, and we continue growing as a couple and as individuals in these astounding possibilities



    To keep it short and simple, and so we're in agreement over the semantics.
    The Super O is something feminine. This is why it works so well with cannabis. These orgasms are relatively long to start up but very intense and longlasting when finally fully 'engorged'. If you're a man traditional couplesex, no matter how much better it feels now you're rewired in comparison to the traditional orgasm, will have the PENIS as starting point, so you may have dry orgasms and a wholebody glow(especially the shaft)but it will still take on the characteristics of the male energy, meaning a comparitively much more rapid build up and drop off of the climax. And arguably far less satisfying.So I presume you mean Super only in camparison to traditional sex?, coz if you mean compared to the more mindblowing prostatecentred experience then I can only conclude sex with your wife is preventing you from achieving your true potential with orgasm


    BTW as a person that's read both 'MultiOrgasmic Man" &"Awakening the Healing Energy"I find the latter the better suited for my 'postorgasmic needs'.It's the very basics of energy work and a lot of other healthpractise methods are discussed.
  • @Helixer: I agree with some of your premises, but I can think of other ways it could go. I agree that the Super O is feminine. And I agree that traditional couplesex has the penis as the starting point. But the Aneros journey is about rewiring the traditional ways. The traditional penis centered approach is to build the energy quickly and orgasm/ejaculate. Through aneros and anerosless meditations I have rewired so that penile/ejaculatory orgasm is no longer central. However, even after two years of meditation I can still feel the impulses of the old wiring.

    I don't see why it would't be possible to bring the rewiring to couplesex. I had to bring discipline to my meditations to avoid masturbating to ejaculation before I learned to move the center from my penis. Why would it be impossible to do the same with couplesex? I agree that it might be very difficult, but why shouldn't rewiring be possible?

    I can also interpret the super-o as simultaneously feminine and masculine. As I move the energy, I have a sense of both receiving energy (feminine) as well as sending energy (masculine). I see no reason I can't bring that to couplesex.
  • HelixerHelixer
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    I believe you can be both passive and active, but NOT at the same time. Like you can''t go left and right at the same or night and day, hot and cold not without completely neutralizing both

    And presuming your penis is at least hard when you're engaging in intercourse, you will have to be penisfocussed you can't keep that focus away from your penis or it will eventually become flaccid.

    You can't Super O being penisfocussed, you have to be analfocussed. It's logical why analfocussed gives the most amazing orgasms, coz after all this is direct prostate stimulation (and your analregion is also very sensitive) while penile is only indirect
    Ergo, a Super O only happens when you're closest to the action
  • @Helixer: I hear ya. I'm not convinced that active and passive are mutually exclusive (like left and right or hot and cold). In energy work I think of active as drawing energy from the earth, raising it through the chakras, and releasing it through the crown. I think of passive as receiving energy through the crown and passing it into the earth. The two flows can happen simultaneously.

    I've often had intercourse that starts with a flaccid penis. It's a technique where you start 'cold' and warm up slowly. The idea is to allow consciousness to transcend and include all centers of sensation (anus, penis, etc.), and to experience the more holistic flow of energy. As attention is drawn to the penis and ejaculation (as it will), that focus is released and redirected to the breath and the whole-body flow of energy, the same way one would release distracting thoughts during a meditation.

    A big part of my journey is discovering that things I held as intuitively obvious are wrong. Physical world analogies can be very useful, but they can also limit our ability to see beyond the physical into the energetic.
  • HelixerHelixer
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    I suppose you can also be positive and negative simultaneously or do things change when I describe the same thing with different words?
  • Korkelz
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    I have a long journey of rewiring ahead of me, so I don't know everything, but it seems to me that one day I will be able to compare a prostate orgasm VS multiple full body orgasms through couple sex and I believe that I will find they are different and that one is not better than the other. Also, with a couple you can have that transfer of energy from one body to the next going on. You are experiencing it with another person. That leaves room for many more sensations and emotions.

    Helix, fine, you can say whatever you like, that Super O is only achieved through prostate stimulation. Also, I don't have enough experience to really say whether I can technically be penis-unfocused with couples sex, but who is to say that's going to prevent extreme and lasting pleasure (like a Super O)? Now let me share my latest experience.

    My wife and I have been trying a new form of sex where I go inside of her and thrust just enough so that d and I'm comfortably and completely inside of her. After that, we relax. We might even chat about our day, but the main point is to be connected physically and bond emotionally. Along with that, we try to focus on the sexual energy. My wife says she's been feeling P-waves during this, and I'm definitely feeling some kind of extra pleasure without thrusting. I have not been able to strongly feel P-waves during intercourse so far, but I feel I will get there soon enough.

    So, we did this a few nights ago. I think I had a dry orgasm! After some thrusting, I began to have involuntary contractions; I thought I might be ejaculating, but checked and all that came was a drop of cloudy pre-cum. Now I know not to expect dry orgasms to be completely dry. No loss of arousal or erection! I believe my fear of ejaculating prevented me from focusing on the pleasure of involuntaries though.

    After exhanging a few words about our day, my wife used her kegel muscles to "squeeze" me as she caressed my skin and stimulated a nipple and it was very pleasurable, I'd say it was penis-focused, but I haven't previously been able to feel such pleasure with this kind of subtle stim.

    The next morning (and I haven't ejaculated for a while now) I was feeling all sorts of P-waves, constant erections, and a few drops of pre-cum. I decided to stimulate my nipples and experienced great pleasure. My glans (head of penis) became fully inflated (a pre-orgasm indicator) Not my most powerful experience, but definitely up there.

    What I've learned/hypothesize:

    #1. I hypothesize that any form of arousal creates a potential for orgasm, be it visual stimuli, physical, imagination, etc. where the orgasm can be eventually reached through cultivating this arousal in the mind.

    #2. The more non-penile pleasure I experience, the more pre-cum I seem to have (penile-stimulation plus P-waves or prostate-area pleasure counts as non-penile pleasure). I've been noticing more pre-cum lately, and viewing it as a visual representation of the degree pleasure felt.

    #3. I believe I am starting to understand the role of the mind in all of this. I believe I was using my mind that morning to help create arousal. I would focus on a subtle sensation (be it a p-wave or a tingling in my hand(s), feet, or scrotum, or simply having an erection, etc), and use that to cultivate arousal, creating that feedback loop of more sensation and more arousal. As a matter of fact, one thing I am beginning to feel great pleasure in is simply having an erection which inadvertently causes the erection to happen with greater force... I believe I could eventually mentally cultivate that arousal into some kind of an orgasm.



    [QUOTE=Love_is;93764]...it sure sounds a lot like what is being discussed in the following thread. http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/off-topic-male-version-female-ejaculation-squirting-13579/ Haven't heard that squirting fluid is slippery.
  • HelixerHelixer
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    @Korkelz: Well it sounds like your rewiring has been an enormously beneficial addition to your marriage, I'm glad for you, let's just leave it at that
  • karyon
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    This is a great thread, save Helixer's unhelpful and provocative posts, just the kind of thing I need more information about. I've had some good success with Aneros/MMO methods, but am still looking to integrate them into lovemaking with my wife. No question my practices have enhanced coupled sex for both of us, but those are secondary rather than primary effects. Of course, Artform's posts, including the one above, have been most helpful and encouraging in this area.

    That magic banana thing looks interesting, I'd never seen it before, but from the photo, it looks like something anyone could cobble together with $5 worth of rope and tubing from the hardware store, rather than shelling out $50.

    [RANT] Helixer, you are inches away from being a full-on troll around here, with your constant insistence that coupled sex is somehow less evolved than solo Aneros activity. You are not going to change anyone's mind with that attitude, especially given how many of us are in satisfying, interesting, rich relationships with members of the fairer sex, not to mention the majority of the rest of the population of humans who at least wish the same. Good on you for having such great success with the Aneros technique, but it should be obvious that such experiences are but one facet of a much greater world, and you are only limiting your own experience by denying its existence.[/RANT]

    [QUOTE=Korkelz;93818]My wife and I have been trying a new form of sex where I go inside of her and thrust just enough so that d and I'm comfortably and completely inside of her. After that, we relax. We might even chat about our day, but the main point is to be connected physically and bond emotionally. Along with that, we try to focus on the sexual energy. My wife says she's been feeling P-waves during this, and I'm definitely feeling some kind of extra pleasure without thrusting. I have not been able to strongly feel P-waves during intercourse so far, but I feel I will get there soon enough.

    K, this is something my wife and I have on our to-do list, glad you had success, it's encouraged me to bump it up to near the top of the list.

    [QUOTE=Korkelz;93818]

    What I've learned/hypothesize:

    #1. I hypothesize that any form of arousal creates a potential for orgasm, be it visual stimuli, physical, imagination, etc. where the orgasm can be eventually reached through cultivating this arousal in the mind.

    #2. The more non-penile pleasure I experience, the more pre-cum I seem to have (penile-stimulation plus P-waves or prostate-area pleasure counts as non-penile pleasure). I've been noticing more pre-cum lately, and viewing it as a visual representation of the degree pleasure felt.

    #3. I believe I am starting to understand the role of the mind in all of this. I believe I was using my mind that morning to help create arousal. I would focus on a subtle sensation (be it a p-wave or a tingling in my hand(s), feet, or scrotum, or simply having an erection, etc), and use that to cultivate arousal, creating that feedback loop of more sensation and more arousal. As a matter of fact, one thing I am beginning to feel great pleasure in is simply having an erection which inadvertently causes the erection to happen with greater force... I believe I could eventually mentally cultivate that arousal into some kind of an orgasm.

    That all jibes nicely with my own evolving thought. I think of arousal/sexual pleasure as a wavelength that is always there; first you must learn to hear/see/feel it, and then you can learn to amplify it by various means. On some level, I think in the beginning you need to trust that it is there, even if it is faint or totally inaudible. Also, I too find that pre-cum is a good indicator that I've gotten somewhere in a session, even if nothing much else seems to happen.

    cheers
    k
  • karyon
    Posts: 34
    FYI, if anyone is considering fashioning a homemade magic banana, this youtube video should help to sort out the approximate dimensions: YouTube - Toy Talk - The Magic Banana

    - k
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    I wasn't planning on responding to this thread anymore until:


    This is a great thread, save Helixer's unhelpful and provocative posts


    Seems like you are the one that's doing the provoking. All I did was point out that a Super O is something fundamentally different from traditional (penile sex), no matter how much the rewiring has changed that for the better. And no matter how much you would like to think otherwise you can't Super O with penile stimulation. They have different characteristics(slow vs fast; feminine vs masculine; etc)


    Helixer, you are inches away from being a full-on troll around here, with your constant insistence that coupled sex is somehow less evolved than solo Aneros activity


    I'm a troll now for having a different opinion and backing my opinion up with arguments? If you don't agree, fine, but must you resort to namecalling and vilification?
    Men are made to enjoy sex the natural way, BUTa Super O is a lot more enjoyable.If you're a couple, a normal man won't say NO to sex eventhough a Super O is far more enjoyable coz he's programmed to enjoy that. So thanks to the Aneros a man won't have to supplicate anymore due to his superior sexdrive, coz there's a far greater orgasm he can have on his own now, but if she's horny as hell he can equally enjoy the sexual experience with a woman. What's the problem? A man wins both ways
    However unless you have some kind of erectile dysfunction if you want to experience the Aneros the way it's intended, use the Aneros on your own! The rewiring works equally well without the Aneros in, so for sex I don't see the point of having it in
  • Korkelz
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    karyon said:

    korkelz said:

    My wife and I have been trying a new form of sex where I go inside of her and thrust just enough so that d and I'm comfortably and completely inside of her. After that, we relax. We might even chat about our day, but the main point is to be connected physically and bond emotionally. Along with that, we try to focus on the sexual energy. My wife says she's been feeling P-waves during this, and I'm definitely feeling some kind of extra pleasure without thrusting. I have not been able to strongly feel P-waves during intercourse so far, but I feel I will get there soon enough.


    K, this is something my wife and I have on our to-do list, glad you had success, it's encouraged me to bump it up to near the top of the list.


    To expand on this, when(if) you lose your erection, try gaining your erection back through non-penile stimulation... nipple, mental, kissing or embracing each other, etc.

    I encourage you to apply our knowledge and creativity; breathing techniques (synchonous breathing), meditation stuff, what we learn here on the forum or in books, etc.
  • karyon
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    [QUOTE=Helixer;94038] I'm a troll now for having a different opinion and backing my opinion up with arguments? If you don't agree, fine, but must you resort to namecalling and vilification?

    First of all, in case you don't already know this, a troll is a someone on the interwebz who makes a habit of inserting his or her controversial and contradictory opinions in an inflammatory way when they aren't solicited. I could easily come up with dozens of examples of posts in which you do just this here in the forum, so the term is entirely appropriate. Of course, a cardinal rule of internet communication is Do Not Feed Trolls, so this will be the last meal you get from me, enjoy it.

    Secondly. You are welcome to your opinions, of course, but you are going to have a hard time convincing me that you don't take contradictory positions simply to provoke your audience. This post was entitled "A Place to Discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?" In other words, a forum to explore methods and approaches to incorporating MMO methods into coupled sex, which has been discussed in a general way elsewhere. It should be obvious that the OP and subsequent posters were looking for encouragement and assistance in a less commonly discussed area. Your fist post was a snarky suggestion that the two are incompatible (Super-O and coupled sex). As there are numerous people here who claim from firsthand experience that MMOs can be achieved in coupled sex, your opinion is nothing more than deliberatively provocative. Why not start your own post, entitled "A place to discuss why solo Aneros practice is more evolved than coupled sex?" and see whether you can convince others that your position is vaild, rather than trying to derail this one?

    End of meal
    k
  • HelixerHelixer
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    First of all, in case you don't already know this, a troll is a someone on the interwebz who makes a habit of inserting his or her controversial and contradictory opinions in an inflammatory way when they aren't solicited



    I don't deny my opinions are often controversial, but calling me troll for that reason is like calling every german a nazi.
    I think you'll find if you read my posts in this thread or even if you'd understand what a Super O is, that my comment was entirely justified.



    This post was entitled "A Place to Discuss achieving Super-O with couples sex?" In other words, a forum to explore methods and approaches to incorporating MMO methods into coupled sex



    WRONG, a Super O isn't the same thing as an MMO, if the thread had been entitled "A place to discuss MMO with couples sex", I wouldn't have replied

    Anyway you call me troll based on whatever I said in this thread, can you back this up? Or is it just your immature way of dealing with opinions that aren't your own?
  • Korkelz
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    [QUOTE=karyon;94055]Why not start your own post, entitled "A place to discuss why solo Aneros practice is more evolved than coupled sex?" and see whether you can convince others that your position is vaild, rather than trying to derail this one?He already did a few times

    Super O is not the same as MMO, you are right, but no one said MMO won't lead to Super O... one can't really define Super O anyway, it's simply a orgasm the reaches new heights, it's when you say "I never could have imagined it would feel this good" for the 3rd time in your life (first and second time don't count if you know what I mean! :) ). For me, I think a couples Super O is when both of us are having a profound experience where we have lost the sense of self, almost like an out of body experience, and are just experiencing pure unbounded pleasure, when two become one, literally!
  • HelixerHelixer
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    I give up, call it what you like
  • HelixerHelixer
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    I believe there should be some conformity on how words are to be used. Before I got acquainted with the Aneros I was already familiar with the term 'male multiple orgasm' and this tantric separation of ejaculation and orgasm, it was my curiosity for this that led to me finding the Aneros and (the mmo specific to the Aneros) the 'Super O'.
    Although a Super O is a type of mmo this doesn't mean that every mmo is a Super O(just like not every difference of opinion is the same as 'trolling').
    After all an mmo can mean both penisorientated(active) and anusorientated(passive), while a Super O is a term coined specifically for an analtoy, for the receptive pleasure.

    If I had said I can jerk off and Super O I would have been flooded with comments pointing out the fallacy of this statement, but now since it's concerning couples sex I'm not allowed to say anything? Isn't this a double standard?
    I'm dismayed by the responses even from veteran Aneros users that should know better. What message is that sending out to newbies?
    Conflicting messages. Threads like 'Penis NO', but Super O couples sex.
    Not only do I not get backed up by veteran Aneros users for pointing out this fallacy, to top things off, I receive an unsubstantiated invective from karyon an receive a warning from support.'Someone' had apparantly complained to Aneros that the messages I'd deleted were offensive and that's why I deleted them, when in fact I'd deleted them because it was too late to edit(as someone had already responded)and I didn't convey the message the way I wanted to. Looks like from now on I'm going to have to watch editing my messages as well as 'someone' will use that as an opportunity to say I was being offensive.

    Anyway, one of the messages in response to MultiD I can't remember(perhaps MultiD can comment if I was being offensive), the other message in response to ForUs was short and I can still remember what that was approximately:" If you're married there's no point crying over spilt milk"

    Why did I delete this? Because it was too vague and it wasn't really what I wanted to say.
    Perhaps it's just me but I wouldn't want my wife or gf in the room while I was Super O-ing no matter how beautiful she was.
    The reply ForUs gave wasn't really a reply to my objection, coz I wouldn't say voyeurism is part of a couples sex life.
    Couples sex I would define as equal sexual gratification. So yeah, it seemed a little absurd to have the other partner as part of the furniture just for the sake of being a couple. If you're married does that mean that the other partner always has to be around? So I replied (tongue in cheek) there's no point crying over spilt milk

    And the sneakiness of the complaint I understand is because I didn't reply to Korkelz after that who was insinuating I didn't accept other ppl's lifestyle.
    Korkelz who in my thread http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/take-chance-15124/
    insinuated if you didn't have his lifestyle(being married that is) you might as well be dead. I know there are a lot of single guys around that are depressed because they've been brainwashed with exactly that message. All I can say is, thank God for the Aneros!!!!
  • @Helixer, I didn't find your replies to my posts offensive. You seem to have strong opinions about things and declare them as "the truth," but that's fine by me. You seem to be far more experienced with the Aneros than I am, so I value your perspective. I choose to read what you say and consider how it applies to me -- not as THE truth but as your truth. I have a different sense of the truth, but I don't need to agree with everything you say to pay attention and consider.

    On several occasions in my life I've been absolutely certain of something that I've subsequently found to be wrong. That's why I tend to state things tentatively. But that's just my epistemological choice.
  • Korkelz
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    [QUOTE=Helixer;94125]And the sneakiness of the complaint I understand is because I didn't reply to Korkelz after that who was insinuating I didn't accept other ppl's lifestyle.
    Korkelz who in my thread http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/take-chance-15124/
    insinuated if you didn't have his lifestyle(being married that is) you might as well be dead. I know there are a lot of single guys around that are depressed because they've been brainwashed with exactly that message. All I can say is, thank God for the Aneros!!!!

    Helixer, I remember very specifically thinking "I am not here to promote marriage" when making a post in your thread. Read it again carefully, you will see that I am seeing from your viewpoint as well. My post says "...or unite your own mind and body on this level." I'm not saying be married or be dead.


    Helixer, no one is really disagreeing with you. Your idea that couples can't have a super o together is confusing to me. All I know is that I have a goal with couples sex and I'm trying to reach it. If you have a name for couples being united it in extreme sexual ecstasy, let us know. Until then the term I'm going to use is "Super Orgasm."
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566


    I didn't find your replies to my posts offensive


    The reason I raised the issue was because someone had complained to support that the posts I'd deleted in this thread were deleted so support couldn't see I was trolling the thread. Anyway, thanks for your honesty.


    You seem to have strong opinions about things and declare them as "the truth," but that's fine by me.


    It's called polemics ;) But the issue I raised in this thread really has nothing to do with that, all I did was address a fallacy. If we start calling everything that's different from the traditional orgasm a Super O then it looses its meaning. There's really no debate. It's like if you had a pair of trousers and called it a blouse and said that was right coz they were both clothes.
    As far as the traditional sex(penis orientated) and the Super O (anus orientated) is concerned try seeing them as people sitting on opposite sides of a seesaw. So a Super O would be if that person is right up and vice versa. Sure you've got variations in between but you can't have both at the same time. When the penis gets involved the type of orgasm changes from Super O into something else(the seesaw moves towards penis orientated and away from anusorientated) and vice versa.


    I choose to read what you say and consider how it applies to me -- not as THE truth but as your truth. I have a different sense of the truth, but I don't need to agree with everything you say to pay attention and consider.



    This to me is what every openminded person should do. The problem here is that people either agree or disagree depending on who is saying it, not if they agree or disagree. So for example if cockadoodle says something people agree, but when I say the same thing people disagree. It's this kind of groupbehaviour, lemmingism that I find abhorrent. I too judge WHAT is being said not WHO is saying it.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Just so it's clear exactly what was said:


    The point of life is to experience pleasure, and there's no greater pleasure than Sexual Ecstasy. Being able to unite two bodies physically and spiritually on a transcendent level (or unite your own mind and body on this level) is the only reason to live. Otherwise, there's no point to life. If we cannot strive for this, then we might as well be dead.



    I can see how you added the bracketed as an afterthought coz in the context it really doesn't make sense and is selfcontradictory. It's something akin to saying you think your race is superior then adding in brackets(but all races are equal).
    Your saying the goal in life is uniting 2 ppl or uniting 1.
    Do you see why I discarded the bracketed and take it with a grain of salt?
    Just be truthful, if you're not truthful and start placating you just end up contradicting yourself. It's okay to have an opinion, just please don't be hypocritical when I have an opposing(though admittedly less extreme) than your own. I don't hold it against you for having this pov, we've all been brainwashed to believe this


    Helixer, no one is really disagreeing with you.



    Again, just be truthful.


    Your idea that couples can't have a super o together is confusing to me. All I know is that I have a goal with couples sex and I'm trying to reach it. If you have a name for couples being united it in extreme sexual ecstasy, let us know. Until then the term I'm going to use is "Super Orgasm."



    I'm not the one confusing things. If you don't know what a Super O is yet, but you've experienced multiple orgasms during sex what's wrong with just calling it an MMO?
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Helixer, all I was trying to say is that experiencing pleasure is what life is all about. It's just natural for me to explain that from a married viewpoint.

    [QUOTE=Helixer;94160]As far as the traditional sex(penis orientated) and the Super O (anus orientated) is concerned try seeing them as people sitting on opposite sides of a seesaw. So a Super O would be if that person is right up and vice versa. Sure you've got variations in between but you can't have both at the same time. When the penis gets involved the type of orgasm changes from Super O into something else(the seesaw moves towards penis orientated and away from anusorientated) and vice versa.

    [quote=Aneros Wiki]Super-O is an abbreviation of "super orgasm," a term coined by Aneros user Brian Mayfield for an orgasm that steps out of the normal frame of reference. A Super-O is an overwhelmingly strong non-ejaculatory orgasm that may involve: durations of minutes at a time; full-body orgasmic waves of pleasure; intense pleasure throughout the pelvic region, particularly the prostate, rectum and surrounding muscles; loss of a sense of reality; strong emotional responses; flashes of color (optical activity in the brain); large muscle contractions; a strong sense of ejaculation (with no emission); protracted involuntary vocalizations, roars or screams; pleasant convulsions; pronounced deep or staccato pelvic thrusting or writhing; a sense of soulful release and relief; a sense of self-redefinition; and, an energized feeling immediately following orgasm and being ready for more (as opposed to post-ejaculation lethargy).

    Some on the forum have learned to create orgasms with their mind. Based on what I've experienced and read on the forum, Penis vs Anus does not define whether you can experience the Super O that the Aneros Wiki describes; it's your mind.

    Helixer, you call it brainwashing and a mistake of evolution. So you've managed to completely disconnect yourself from this. That's one way to do it... Why not instead have used mistake of evolution to your advantage? As in, having a spouse, having sex, bypass the evolutionary mistake that causes you to ejaculate, and go on to experience as much pleasure as the aneros gives you... except now you're sharing that experience with another living soul. That's what I'm trying to do. Helixer, let us brainwashed folk try. Let this thread to be a place for like-minded couples to discuss how to achieve the transcendent and uniting experience that I know is possible.

    As I discover sex, I discover life: as I realize how extreme pleasure makes me feel, I realize how it is possible to feel that in every day life. Helps make me a happier person, helps me lift myself and lift others around me. It goes beyond sex, it is being able to experience the tangible and intangible world around you in greater detail... it's being able to feel extreme ends of emotional spectrum. It is as if I am discovering how to bring the dream world into waking life. (I'm very much into dreams :) )

    Sadly no, I have not experienced a true multiple orgasm. I wish to learn from the wisdom of those who have success with their spouse in this area. The Multi-Org Man book leaves me with questions... but I'm always making progress with the help of wisdom found here and the Aneros. And by the way, I've never truly had immediate reactions to using the Aneros. My success is so far found only many hours after using it.
  • mrbater
    Posts: 43
    Hi Kortelz, I have sent you 2 private messages... I don't know what's happening but they don't appear in my Outbox so I'm not sure you're getting them?
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Korkelz, :)

    If you haven't already, you should have a read through artform's Aneros blog. His wife and him seem to have a lot of experience together of non-traditional couples sex. You might glean some bits of wisdom there. In addition the KSMO practice which is talked about here a fair amount here, is an alternative path to multiple dry orgasms for men, but I believe also applies for women, might be an outlet to look into.
    How to Last Longer in Bed... Way Longer... Orgasms after Orgasm | Help for Premature Ejaculation + Female Multiple Orgasms and Male Multiple Orgasm

    Scroll down to the bottom and have a read through the training forums. There is bound to be much good information there.

    Love_is
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    [QUOTE=mrbater;94182]Hi Kortelz, I have sent you 2 private messages... I don't know what's happening but they don't appear in my Outbox so I'm not sure you're getting them? If I had more wisdom to offer I'd be able to respond right away, but have been busy.

    Edit: Responded! And it seems that Artform is someone who can guide us further. Love_is, thanks for the suggestion!
  • ForUs said:

    Helixer, I don't see why 'super-o' can't be a part of a couple's sex life. Just because it is a couple doesn't mean it has to be defined exclusively by penile stimulation to traditional orgasm. *wink* Some of our most intimate times involve supporting him (directly or indirectly) in achieving new heights, with or without gratification myself. Hubby and I are starting the journey of expanding how we define sex. It's a slow journey for us, but I am very interested in other couple's experiences.



    ForUs, your spot on.

    My wife often brings me to a Super O without penetration of any kind, either way. By that I mean I do not penetrate her and nor does she penetrate me, with anything what so ever. I started using the Aneros about 3 years ago and she has been bringing me to super o for the past 18 months, although we never use the Aneros during our sexual encounters (every Friday night). My wife has watched me (in all meanings of the word) on my journey and listened intently to all I have to tell her about my experiences. BTW, this would never have happened without the Aneros and all the information so generously posted to this forum. We are close to 60 and married for over 30 years but very seldom talked about sex. That was until the Aneros came into our lives and opened up a complete new world of commutation. I am at a loss to explain why but it has.

    She has only ever inserted the Aneros for me on the last two occasions, although she knew I wanted her to she couldn’t bring herself to insert it (she is not into anal play), she has otherwise been very supportive of my Aneros use.

    We lay naked together for quite a while kissing and cuddling (after all these years I still get an erection the minute she starts kissing me even though I have a problem with ED. Once the kissing stops the erection vanishes) after which time she is able to bring me to Super O by massaging my prostate from the outside just above the base of the penis or gently massaging my balls and perineum or very seductively kissing my breasts and nipples. She never touches my breasts until I am about to go from orgasm to supero and then she wraps her hot little mouth around my nipples and I just explode into the most wonderful super O I ever have, even better then when using the Aneros.

    Sometimes I think my wife gets almost as much pleasure, seeing me squirm around the bed and scream out in erotic arousal, as I do (if that were possible). I say that because she never wants to stop and sometimes it gets so intense that I have to beg her to stop: I thinks she really likes it when that happens. She does like to please me as I do her. I do every thing and anything that turns her on including rimming without expecting it in return (though I sure wish).
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566

    Some on the forum have learned to create orgasms with their mind. Based on what I've experienced and read on the forum, Penis vs Anus does not define whether you can experience the Super O that the Aneros Wiki describes; it's your mind



    Everything is in the mind, that's no argument as you quoted yourself:


    intense pleasure throughout the pelvic region, particularly the prostate, rectum and surrounding muscles


    The Super O is specific to the Aneros an ANALTOY and it's brought on through DIRECT prostate stimulation which is obviously much better than INDIRECT prostate stimulation. This is why it's SUPER and not just multiple orgasms


    Helixer, you call it brainwashing and a mistake of evolution. So you've managed to completely disconnect yourself from this. That's one way to do it... Why not instead have used mistake of evolution to your advantage? As in, having a spouse, having sex, bypass the evolutionary mistake that causes you to ejaculate, and go on to experience as much pleasure as the aneros gives you... except now you're sharing that experience with another living soul. That's what I'm trying to do. Helixer, let us brainwashed folk try. Let this thread to be a place for like-minded couples to discuss how to achieve the transcendent and uniting experience that I know is possible.


    You're the one that said you might as well be DEAD if you couldn't, implying myself and other singles should be dangling from the highest tree coz we don't have what you have. What you don't realize (or don't want to realize) is there are advantages and disadvantages to both situations. Also I don't believe society has really given us a choise, not until now at least.
    The type of sharing you are talking about is purely SEXUAL, you might say it's transcedental and blabla, but if that's so you could share it with other women,men, children, animals as well. I believe ppl change over time and judging by how the divorce-rate is skyrocketing with ppl's freedom in modern times to choose this is all to accurate. Anyway I can go on and on, but this isn't the thread for it. If you want to discuss this you should start a thread partner vs no partner or the like.


    As I discover sex, I discover life: as I realize how extreme pleasure makes me feel, I realize how it is possible to feel that in every day life. Helps make me a happier person, helps me lift myself and lift others around me. It goes beyond sex, it is being able to experience the tangible and intangible world around you in greater detail... it's being able to feel extreme ends of emotional spectrum. It is as if I am discovering how to bring the dream world into waking life. (I'm very much into dreams :) )


    Since you believe life is all about sexual union/ecstasy I can understand that. I guess we all have different goals in life. Just for the record there's a pleasure much more fulfilling than the sexual and letting go of the sexual is preconditional to achieving this, but since we're talking couples sex here I won't expand on that here.


    Sadly no, I have not experienced a true multiple orgasm. I wish to learn from the wisdom of those who have success with their spouse in this area.



    hmm, so what did you mention here then?


    So, we did this a few nights ago. I think I had a dry orgasm! After some thrusting, I began to have involuntary contractions; I thought I might be ejaculating, but checked and all that came was a drop of cloudy pre-cum. Now I know not to expect dry orgasms to be completely dry. No loss of arousal or erection! I believe my fear of ejaculating prevented me from focusing on the pleasure of involuntaries though



    Or did you not come after that?
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    @Downunder: Couples sex to me implies sexual intercourse. But Super O-ing with the partner in supportive role, if it works for you great!
    Perhaps coz you're older and have lived together for so long. This for younger couples, especially for men who haven't yet experienced a Super O, IMO would only make it harder if not impossible to achieve a Super O. A Super O really makes a partner superfluous as you focus inwards on the amazing pleasure building inside you.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    Hey Guys,

    speaking from my own experience. I know what a Super-O feels like. And I know what an MMO feels like. I've been enjoying both of them for over a decade now.

    It took a lot of time and practice before I learned how, but I have on many occasions enjoyed both the full-blown, prostate-centered Super-O and the penile-centered, non-ejaculatory MMO simultaneously as well as separately, over and over again, in the same session for hours, while using plenty of penile stimulation. I did this almost every day for about 18 months. So I know it's certainly possible for me. I'm pretty sure it's possible for most men with enough information, time, and practice.

    In my opinion, it's the equivalent of a woman learning how to simultaneously enjoy intense g-spot orgasms from intercourse while learning to maintain her awareness through the pleasure enough to stimulate her clitoris to bring on yet another completely different type of none-the-less simultaneous orgasms. And once this is learned, it gets easier to go on having both types whether together or separately throughout the rest of the session. At least this is how it was for me, learning to orgasm from two places at once (and I'm not even going to try to explain where the Third Eye, Heart, and Crown Chakra Orgasms fit into all this).

    In my opinion, the belief that Super-O's cannot be experienced in the presence of penile orgasm, stimulation, or sexual intercourse is similar to the still commonly held belief that men can't have orgasms without ejaculating, one is inclined to accept the limitation as truth unless/until they feel it for themselves to be otherwise.

    Oh and Korkelz, I can understand your hesitation, $75 is a lot to ask. But in my opinion, the value comes from having access to a live teacher with well over a decade of experience in helping men "get it" quickly and easily via live chats. If you're willing to actually step into the chat room and tell Jack what you need help with in your practice, he can save you weeks and months of scavenging the forums for information by getting straight to the heart of what you need to change in order to get the results you want. And he remains available for this level of personal live coaching indefinitely until you get it, no matter how long it takes. In fact, I'm considering going back to Jack for advice even now because as my body has changed, so has my KSMO practice, and I for one am glad to know that as a paying customer, Jack is contractually obligated to answer any questions I might have on the matter. ;)

    Best of Luck,

    Pan
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Ok, I understand the implications of what I'm saying and why couples will gainsay it ad nauseam. A Super O is an mmo, but not all mmo's are Super O's. You can have blended orgasms, but that isn't a Super O, again the seesaw analogy. I know you couples want to feel special, but please a little common sense. When I start stimulating my penis when I'm Super O-ing, blood flows from my (engorged)anus to my penis as does the focus and the sensation changes. Even when I'm Super O-ing, occasionally my penis will get hard and the orgasm becomes less super>the seesaw analogy, I can't describe it any better than that
  • cyrezcyrez
    Posts: 109
    Thankyou Pam for you wonderful insights, i appriciate it a lot.

    [QUOTE=Helixer;94228]
    The Super O is specific to the Aneros an ANALTOY and it's brought on through DIRECT prostate stimulation which is obviously much better than INDIRECT prostate stimulation. This is why it's SUPER and not just multiple orgasms

    I have to disagree on that point, even though aneros obviously takes you there under the right condition. It's not the ONLY way to go there. You don't need DIRECT prostate stimulation, u don't even need INDIRECT prostate stimulation. You said it yourself....

    You talked about 'plug 'n play' if i remember it correctly, you started out with the helix, then super-o:ed and then you removed the toy and continued on for hours, HOW is that possible if you need 'direct' or 'indirect' prostate stimulation? Is it then so hard to believe that there is a way to go 'there' without the stimulation from the helix in the first place?

    People have been super-o:in before aneros was even invented, or the term coined. You get locked down if you think a little toy is needed to experience things.You can go there without putting stuff up your behind, but it takes lots and lots of practice, dicipline and most importantly an open mind.
  • karyon
    Posts: 34
    Helixer -

    Why are you so damned invested in convincing others that your particular opinions are gospel? This is what I mean when I said you are a troll. There are a great number of people, in this thread and elsewhere some of whom (such Artforum and Pan) clearly have far more experience in this realm than most of us combined, who do not share your conviction that the Super-O is Only One Thing, that does not overlap or combine with other related energies and experiences.

    Most of us use these forums as an open, cheerful discussion to explore areas that are, by their very nature, nebulous, mercurial, and open-ended. You on the other hand act as though your understanding of it all is the only valid interpretation, the rest of us be damned. You are the wise master, the rest of us are simply delusional, wishful thinkers.

    Is it any wonder many of us dread when you choose to join in these discussions? Not only are you a troll, but you are a bummer to boot. You must be great fun at parties.

    k
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566


    You talked about 'plug 'n play' if i remember it correctly, you started out with the helix, then super-o:ed and then you removed the toy and continued on for hours, HOW is that possible if you need 'direct' or 'indirect' prostate stimulation? Is it then so hard to believe that there is a way to go 'there' without the stimulation from the helix in the first place?



    P'n'P is basically the thc version of echo-effects. It's like when you've been on a boat for a long time, when you get off you still feel like you're sailing the waves. For some reason(perhaps coz my sessions are generally longer coz I loose track of time or coz of overall increase in sensitivity) those echo effects are much more pronounced so there's virtually no difference between having the Aneros in or out.
    BUT, this didn't come about by spanking my monkey, this is thru direct prostate stimulation! Sure it can continue for hours, so the one way to bring down the intensity would be penile stimulation. If you're referring to the dry O's even after that as Super O I strongly disagree, MMO's yes, Super O no!


    People have been super-o:in before aneros was even invented, or the term coined. You get locked down if you think a little toy is needed to experience things.You can go there without putting stuff up your behind, but it takes lots and lots of practice, dicipline and most importantly an open mind


    If it was possible for people to have Super O's before the Aneros was invented(must have had some staying power in their stinky pinky) it would have occured the same way, namely thru direct prostate stimulation. But to my knowledge, apart from the milking, or even dry Os I haven't heard of anything like it before I became familiar with the Aneros. The design is genius! Tailor made to stimulate the prostate and the anal cavity.
    Thus the Super O is a type of mmo that would be near impossible to achieve without the Aneros or a similar prostate massager.
    So with all respect, I think you (and the others) are confusing the Super O with other mmo's
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    @karyon: vilify all you like, I call it as I see it and how I've experienced it. Just coz they've been doing it longer doesn't mean they have to be more knowledgeable. The Aneros is a very new thing. To draw the parallel with computers would you say that a programmer from the sixties would be better than a 14 year old programmer of today? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the 14 year olds are generally better, coz they are younger and have to unlearn less stuff they get the newest stuff right away and generally learn quicker as well.
    I don't claim to be a prodigy, but similarly I'm single, meaning I don't get distracted so I can focus on the inward pleasure and probably more importantly I have access to some of the best thc in the world! This heightened sensitivity has helped me learn a lot quicker.
    I've experienced firsthand what it's like going beyond the sexual, not only does it feel much better, it's a very liberating experience.

    Ps: you remind me of that expression, something with a pot and a kettle?
  • cyrezcyrez
    Posts: 109
    [QUOTE=Helixer;94238] P'n'P is basically the thc version of echo-effects. It's like when you've been on a boat for a long time, when you get off you still feel like you're sailing the waves. For some reason(perhaps coz my sessions are generally longer coz I loose track of time or coz of overall increase in sensitivity) those echo effects are much more pronounced so there's virtually no difference between having the Aneros in or out.

    So i'm guessing i'm full of shit then (and all others on this forum who goes the anerosless way), when i say that even after several months from NOT using a aneros, i can STILL get thoose 'echo' effects that you talk about, dry-o's out of the blue, without touching anything?

    [QUOTE=Helixer;94238]
    If it was possible for people to have Super O's before the Aneros was invented(must have had some staying power in their stinky pinky) it would have occured the same way, namely thru direct prostate stimulation. But to my knowledge, apart from the milking, or even dry Os I haven't heard of anything like it before

    So you think you're the only one who has experienced a super-o, in all the millenias of man, no one could ever come this far? Well, things get a little distorted through the millenias passing from one person to another, but yes, it has happened before, and yes it made an impact. There are religions based on the super-o, religions that started thousands of years ago.

    What would you think if you came across the super-o a millenia ago? How would you interpret it? An act of divine intervention? a direct connection with god? a little slice of heaven? The path to immortality and beyond? And if you found the 'path to god', would you then share it with the whole world, or keep it a secret only to be shared with a special few 'followers'. and what happens next? have other 'normal' people look up to theese 'grand masters' that has the ability to 'connect' with god?
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566


    So you think you're the only one who has experienced a super-o, in all the millenias of man, no one could ever come this far?


    How is that a logical deduction?Where did I say that?


    There are religions based on the super-o, religions that started thousands of years ago.


    You've got my attention, tell me more!


    And if you found the 'path to god', would you then share it with the whole world, or keep it a secret only to be shared with a special few 'followers'. and what happens next? have other 'normal' people look up to theese 'grand masters' that has the ability to 'connect' with god?


    If I ever found such a path I'd keep it secret, for obvious reasons
    Although, I might not be able to help myself, despite knowing better
    -------


    So i'm guessing i'm full of shit then (and all others on this forum who goes the anerosless way), when i say that even after several months from NOT using a aneros, i can STILL get thoose 'echo' effects that you talk about, dry-o's out of the blue, without touching anything

    Dry O's, again isn't the same as Super O, stop putting words in my mouth
  • karyon
    Posts: 34
    [QUOTE=Pan;94231]Hey Guys,

    speaking from my own experience. I know what a Super-O feels like. And I know what an MMO feels like. I've been enjoying both of them for over a decade now.

    It took a lot of time and practice before I learned how, but I have on many occasions enjoyed both the full-blown, prostate-centered Super-O and the penile-centered, non-ejaculatory MMO simultaneously as well as separately, over and over again, in the same session for hours, while using plenty of penile stimulation. I did this almost every day for about 18 months. So I know it's certainly possible for me. I'm pretty sure it's possible for most men with enough information, time, and practice.

    In my opinion, it's the equivalent of a woman learning how to simultaneously enjoy intense g-spot orgasms from intercourse while learning to maintain her awareness through the pleasure enough to stimulate her clitoris to bring on yet another completely different type of none-the-less simultaneous orgasms. And once this is learned, it gets easier to go on having both types whether together or separately throughout the rest of the session. At least this is how it was for me, learning to orgasm from two places at once (and I'm not even going to try to explain where the Third Eye, Heart, and Crown Chakra Orgasms fit into all this).

    In my opinion, the belief that Super-O's cannot be experienced in the presence of penile orgasm, stimulation, or sexual intercourse is similar to the still commonly held belief that men can't have orgasms without ejaculating, one is inclined to accept the limitation as truth unless/until they feel it for themselves to be otherwise.

    . . .

    Best of Luck,

    Pan

    Pan -

    Great to have you chime in here, as your posts here and at the ksmo forum (as well as your audio interview with Jack) have been really helpful in my own practices.

    I'm wondering if you might be willing to elaborate more on what you feel are the distinctions between the Super-O and KSMO generated MMOs. I'm guilty of working toward both concurrently, and have had my best experiences when combining the Aneros devices WITH the Key Sound. I've had only subtle effects when doing the KS practice alone (though I am 100% positive that I am making progress). I suspect that what I have experienced is a KS-assisted Super-O, rather than a true MMO, but really, I have no benchmark to distinguish one from the other.

    Thanks
    K
  • cyrezcyrez
    Posts: 109
    [QUOTE=Helixer;94247]
    [QUOTE=cyrez;94240]So i'm guessing i'm full of shit then (and all others on this forum who goes the anerosless way), when i say that even after several months from NOT using a aneros, i can STILL get thoose 'echo' effects that you talk about, dry-o's out of the blue, without touching anything?

    Dry O's, again isn't the same as Super O, stop putting words in my mouth

    I'm sorry, it was not my intention to put words in your mouth, it was a statement formulated as a question, if it is possible to experience a dry-O without an aneros (hence "anerosless"). And i do believe you responded indirectly to that question, that it is indeed possible to have an anerosless dry-o. [QUOTE=Helixer;94247].....so with all respect, I think you (and the others) are confusing the Super O with other mmo's.

    So why is a super-o possible only with an aneros, and not without it? What makes it truly unique in creating a super-o? Why is there no other way?

    Is it the prostate stimulation? Many things can stimulate your prostate, your breathing, your movement of your body, musclespasms, not to mention that the area around the prostate, and the prostate itself is surronded by muscle tissue. With lots of movement controlled by the autonomus nerve system, like the peristal movement of the colomn etc.