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Multiples.com, or Aneros?
  • OptimusOptimus
    Posts: 25
    Is there anyone here who knows a lot about the multi-orgasm methods hyped by the multiples.com website, vs. Aneros? I'm interested in knowing which method is more likely to produce the desired result. Do the multiples.com methods not work for some, just like Aneros?
  • I've used both and had better results from multiples.com. As with all things, your mileage may vary. I'm learning how to relax into the pleasure which is leading to better Aneros sessions. The two systems compliment each other nicely.
  • mog
    Posts: 149
    For me, without any doubt, multiples.com.

    My main daily practice is device-free, entirely mind-driven, and based on the KSMO. I have used most of the Aneros and Peridise models for years and they all all generate fantastic orgasms but none of them produce results comparable with a mature practice based on Jack Johnston's multiples.

    I believe that anyone with serious intent to explore the world of high orgasm-on-demand should first take up the KSMO as a basic practice. It will support and greatly enhance every other practice.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    I have made slow but steady progress with my aneros over a couple years. I just started with ksmo a few months ago and have made quite significant progress with that, but I attribute that to my learning with the aneros and being rewired by aneros use.
    they do go hand in hand. I tired ksmo a year or so ago and didn't get any progress so I sort of gave up. for me, the aneros gave me at least something right off the bat but I feel in the long haul ksmo is the better choice.
    If you are expecting immediate results with either , you will likely be dissapointed
  • [QUOTE=mog;88132]For me, without any doubt, multiples.com.

    My main daily practice is device-free, entirely mind-driven, and based on the KSMO. I have used most of the Aneros and Peridise models for years and they all all generate fantastic orgasms but none of them produce results comparable with a mature practice based on Jack Johnston's multiples.

    I believe that anyone with serious intent to explore the world of high orgasm-on-demand should first take up the KSMO as a basic practice. It will support and greatly enhance every other practice.

    Well said. Since starting KSMO I've made much faster progress with my Aneros sessions even to the point of ghostly pleasurable sensations in my prostate region when the device is not present. Still no Super-O but my nipples have become such a pleasure source that I really couldn't care less if I ever have one.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,474
    [QUOTE=mog;88132]For me, without any doubt, multiples.com.

    My main daily practice is device-free, entirely mind-driven, and based on the KSMO. I have used most of the Aneros and Peridise models for years and they all all generate fantastic orgasms but none of them produce results comparable with a mature practice based on Jack Johnston's multiples.

    I believe that anyone with serious intent to explore the world of high orgasm-on-demand should first take up the KSMO as a basic practice. It will support and greatly enhance every other practice.

    Indeed mog, that is, Sir Mog of MultiOrgattainia!!!

    As BF Mayfield has said, Aneros devices are "Tantric Training Wheels". Aneros and KSMO are great complementary practices. There are others that many can benefit from as well. As one continues to explore, IMHO, KSMO is the core practice, even as just a silent intent becomes more than sufficient. AAAHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh.................. :D :D :D ... ... ...

    all the greatest results from the most pleasure-filled journeys to elegant ecstasies and energies all

    artform
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 715
    mog

    For those who are not aware of this, I am sure you will not mind me pointing out that you are some 78 years old!

    I am truly impressed by the fact that KSMO has been the catalyst for your current experiences and will take on board your advice. Thank you very much for that!

    Pommie
  • mog
    Posts: 149
    Hi Pommie,:)

    >For those who are not aware of this, I am sure you will not mind me pointing out that you are some 78 years old!<<br />
    No I don't mind at all! - it's no secret. But in the interests of veracity I shall be 80 this year.

    The fact that I can now access unlimited mind-blowing orgasms - truly, the orgasmic events of a lifetime - at my age, is as much a source of amazement to me as to anybody.

    Mog
  • dtmsmith
    Posts: 219
    I can also endorse KSMO. My introduction to aneros opened my mind to the idea of separating orgasm and ejaculation. Prior to this, I thought separating these was impossible and anyone claiming to have done so was full of poo. I believe my aneros use initiated the re-wiring process that has enabled me to have incredible results with KSMO. Now all of my practice is KSMO and I haven't used my aneros (other than once to see what would happen) for a month or so. I have never had an experience nearly as good with my aneros as I have with KS.
    While I haven't had something I'd call a super-o with KSMO, the dry-o's have been amazing. I can usually get from nothing to intense p-waves in 30 seconds or so. I've had sessions of several hours that consist of almost continuous dry-o's. The feelings are growing more and more intense every session. If you have had some success with aneros and esp. if you have had aneros-less p-waves or better, I would strongly encourage you to try KSMO.
  • mog
    Posts: 149
    Hi dt,

    It's great to note your continued success. Like you my use of the Aneros is now infrequent. Nevertheless it affords an exciting variation on the theme of continuous orgasm.

    >The feelings are growing more and more intense every session.<<br />
    If you have patience I wager your progress will continue and take you to places undreamed of. IMHO the device-free, mind-generated entire-body orgasms beat all others.

    Mog
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,474
    Indeed mog, INDEED!!!

    all the very best onward and outward potentiation beyond training wheels and techniques all

    artform
  • dtmsmith
    Posts: 219
    [QUOTE=mog;88335]Hi dt,

    It's great to note your continued success. Like you my use of the Aneros is now infrequent. Nevertheless it affords an exciting variation on the theme of continuous orgasm.

    >The feelings are growing more and more intense every session.<<br />
    If you have patience I wager your progress will continue and take you to places undreamed of. IMHO the device-free, mind-generated entire-body orgasms beat all others.

    Mog

    Thanks Mog. My KSMO sessions have taken an interesting turn of late. The feelings have decided to settle in my abdomen more than they used to (a lot more as a matter of fact). This only started happening in the last few days. It's kinda freaky actually. But, I'm trying to just let things happen the way they want to.
    But, I do agree that the device-free is awesome.
    I do wish that the multiples forum was more active though. This forum seems to have so many active members. The ability to discuss things, ask questions, etc. and get almost real-time responses is very nice. The other forum simply doesn't seem to work this way.
  • mog
    Posts: 149
    >It's kinda freaky actually.<<br />
    It'll get more so!

    >But, I'm trying to just let things happen the way they want to.<<br />
    You've got it nailed!

    >I do wish that the multiples forum was more active though.<<br />
    Yes, I've puzzled about the low level of activity over at multiples for some time. There must be hundreds of guys and gals busy having the orgasms of their lives thanks to Jack's KSMO but why they don't seem to want to talk about it more I can't fathom. Maybe they just don't have the free time any more, the call of continuous orgasm being what it is.:D
  • OptimusOptimus
    Posts: 25
    Mog or Dt,

    Could one of you give me a little bit of info about how the KSMO program works, before I plunk down my $70 or $130? I don't mind paying if it's for real, but there are so many come-ons on the internet, that I'd appreciate having some insight about how it works before I take the plunge.
  • mrkpnh
    Posts: 58
    [QUOTE=Optimus;88348]I don't mind paying if it's for real, but there are so many come-ons on the internet, that I'd appreciate having some insight about how it works before I take the plunge.

    I agree. There is a site, www.hypnofantasydownloads.com/ that sells hypnotic fantasy recordings. They do offer free downloads to try their material here. I've downloaded the male recording but haven't tried it yet.
  • dtmsmith
    Posts: 219
    [QUOTE=Optimus;88348]Mog or Dt,

    Could one of you give me a little bit of info about how the KSMO program works, before I plunk down my $70 or $130? I don't mind paying if it's for real, but there are so many come-ons on the internet, that I'd appreciate having some insight about how it works before I take the plunge.

    Based on my experience, it's real. The program involves learning how to make a sound that amplifies pleasure. I don't think would be ethical for me to say more. For some reason, I've had very good success with KSMO. I suspect my responsiveness was due to my aneros-less success. What is your success level with an aneros? What about aneros-less? If you've had success with either and esp. aneros-less, I think KSMO would probably work for you (no guarantees though :-)). If you've not had any aneros success yet, I'm not sure what to say. Perhaps someone else could comment.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 715
    I have to say that I am intrigued by this thread and am beginning to feel a degree of envy for all those who have managed to achieve some success with KSMO.

    For at least six years now, I have been chasing the Holy Grail of multiple orgasms for men. One of the first sources of inspiration came from Jack Johnson’s KSMO site and I have twice subscribed to his online seminar.

    It still remains a mystery to me how the operation of one’s vocal chords in a particular way can result in a response that can trigger a sexual orgasm, let alone multiple orgasms. At first I thought that perhaps uttering the Key Sound would cause certain muscles in the abdomen or pelvic region to operate in such a way as to induce sexual arousal, but I am now coming to the realisation that it has nothing whatever to do with ones sexual anatomy. It must be all going on in the brain, but I am darned if I know how. It seems to me that this is the crucial link that needs to be made. I would dearly like to see some scientific explanation for this phenomenon.

    Over the years, I have diligently practised the Key Sound as instructed but as yet, have found that the concentration required actually has the reverse effect. If I was aroused at the start of a KS session, the process tended to kill that arousal.

    Unfortunately, I now find that I don’t have the opportunity to practise KS as I simply don’t have the private time and space available any more. I was hoping that one might be able to obtain the same effects without actually making the sound. (I gather that the louder you can make the sound the better)! I must also admit up front, that I have never participated in the regular online chat sessions hosted by Jack on his website. Reasons for this are complex, but largely it comes down to being unable to follow what is going on. I have read several of the transcripts of those chat sessions, but fail to make much sense of them.

    As suggested by others here, I think that it would be nice if there was an equally open forum over at KSMO as there is here.

    For the several devotees of KSMO that there are on this forum, (and I am becoming aware that there dozens) I must say I am happy for you. That is proof enough, if needed, that there must be something in it. I would love to be able to combine Aneros activity with KSMO – I just wonder how on earth you do it!!!!

    Pommie
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,474
    Hi dtmsmith and Pommie!!! :D :D :D

    Thanks DTM for your ethical concern about how far one describes KSMO techniques to those who are not yet members. What Jack has discovered and makes available for a one time cost for a lifetime's ecstasies, opportunities and skill is one of the best bargains you will ever find, IMHO. In addition, he does offer a "No-Risk Lifetime Money-Back Guarantee" as set out on his opening at How to Last Longer in Bed... Way Longer... Orgasms after Orgasm | Help for Premature Ejaculation + Female Multiple Orgasms and Male Multiple Orgasm

    Pommie, even though I am a very experience solo prostate massager for the past 50 years, I found my aneros early days slow going and somewhat frustrating too. I had essentially been using prostate massage to produce what we here call Super-T ejaculatory orgasms, and found it very hard to not end a session that way, since that is what my whole system, including my prostate had been trained to do so well through that 50 years. How to break that habit and deeply ingrained neuro-circuitry???

    I saw the KSMO practioners comments on the site here 3 years ago in my early days/daze, and decided this "guaranteed" approach worth the investment. To be certain that I got all the advice/resources on offer, I/we (my wife and I were just launching our mutual prostates practice then) bought the full four disk Library package from KSMO.

    I have never regretted that investment!!! I found the Key Sound sessions quickly produced powerful p-waves, the next day following the session, that quite insistently took over my body and yet were relatively soon able to be befriended and acting with me. When then having an Aneros session and getting some brief gentle involuntaries, I would sound the Key Sound and instantly the involuntaries became four times or more powerful and persistent. KSMO became my aneros accelerator and soon the trigger for many other effects. Both separately and together both Aneros and KSMO practices for me took off up an exponential curve into the stratosphere and way beyond.

    Jack, who is also an Aneros member here, HydraulicJack discusses the basic mechanism of KSMO in threads and chats in the KSMO Forum. Fundamentally it is a process of reprogramming the autonomic nervous system to separate the ejaculatory response from the orgasmic response; same goal as ours here at Aneros through gentle prostate awakening. These are complementary, mutually re-enforcing practices in my experience.

    Pan, who is about a decade and a half younger than I, and I have similar histories of muscle/nerve damage from major automobile accidents. There are things that we both need to avoid or prefer to avoid physiologically, and it has been great for us to be able to compare effects of these and other complementary practices. We both, like mog, consider Key Sound technique our core practice. That is the way the experience has unfolded for many of us who practice both. That is consistent with BF Mayfield's classic "Tantric Training Wheels" positioning here of the Aneros practice.

    Similarly, once one has achieved the basic KSMO practice, one can learn to silently move those muscle nerve responses, and ultimately to be able to just intend the KS effect mentally and away you go!!! I like to revisit both practices physically from time to time because the "doing" remains pleasurable in and of itself too. Butt, I don't need to do that any longer to achieve the most astounding orgasmic energies and explosive effects imaginable, and beyond to call up the full spectrum of Taoist described energies from Jing (Orgasmic) to Chi/Qi (general Life-Force "electric"energies) to Shen (Spiritual union/dissolving into God/Universe/Multiverse and beyond). IMHO, Aneros and KSMO are new techniques to learn to access and accelerate these essential energies of life and spirit, that several eastern traditions have found through their own techniques and practices for centuries.

    I find the KSMO Forum, which is divided into more different topic sections, still relatively easy to navigate. I participate there and have answered questions from many participants through KSMO Forum (Lounge) threads, Profile visitor discussions, and I have a major resource thread on Science and Ecstatic Energies going in the Complementary Resources and Practices section of the KSMO forum. The great difference in the relative size of the membership base, IMHO, accounts for the sleepier pace at KSMO. There are just far fewer members there. Hope this post is helpful. I am always happy to answer questions and point to resources here or in the KSMO Forum and Chats too.

    all the best finding the optimum combination of attitudes, approaches, techniques and complementary practices on the multiple male orgasmic energetics adventures all

    artform
  • dtmsmith
    Posts: 219
    [QUOTE=mog;88345]>It's kinda freaky actually.<<br />
    It'll get more so!



    You're not kidding! Just this morning, only about 10 minutes into a session, I had a dry-o that caused my stomach muscles to violently contract and had me "doubled over". It came absolutely out of nowhere. This is what made it so strange. It's not like it came after a slow build up of arousal. Sure, I was having good feelings at the time but nothing mind-blowing.
    I just finished the session (earlier than I wanted to due to scheduling issues). My body is still going crazy...I can hardly type. I'm having dry-o after dry-o...very very very intense....
  • mog
    Posts: 149
    >Just this morning, only about 10 minutes into a session, I had a dry-o that caused my stomach muscles to violently contract and had me "doubled over".<<br />
    You're really going to town there dt!

    I often find my head, shoulders and upper torso lifting off the bed with the tension in the stomach - is that what is called "the Bow of Pleasure" I wonder?

    You adventures are getting me quite excited! Keep connected!:)

    Mog
  • dtmsmith
    Posts: 219
    [QUOTE=artform;88369]Hi dtmsmith and Pommie!!! :D :D :D

    Similarly, once one has achieved the basic KSMO practice, one can learn to silently move those muscle nerve responses, and ultimately to be able to just intend the KS effect mentally and away you go!!! I like to revisit both practices physically from time to time because the "doing" remains pleasurable in and of itself too. Butt, I don't need to do that any longer to achieve the most astounding orgasmic energies and explosive effects imaginable, and beyond to call up the full spectrum of Taoist described energies from Jing (Orgasmic) to Chi/Qi (general Life-Force "electric"energies) to Shen (Spiritual union/dissolving into God/Universe/Multiverse and beyond). IMHO, Aneros and KSMO are new techniques to learn to access and accelerate these essential energies of life and spirit, that several eastern traditions have found through their own techniques and practices for centuries.

    artform

    Artform,
    Your description is consistent with my own experience. At first, I had to make the sound loudly. After a while, softly was fine. Then, all I needed to do was breathe the same way I would while making the sound. Now, I can just imagine making the sound. In fact, often, I just need to imagine the feelings that the sound produces and they happen. But, like you, sometimes I make the sound because it's fun. And, sometimes making the sound generates the feelings more easily than just using my mind. I am still trying to refine the way I make the sound, hoping that I can make it more effective. We'll see how it goes.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,474
    So excellent eh dtmsmith!!! :D :D :D

    all the best accepting experimenting navigating the grand arc of this experience and its so potent full potential all

    artform
  • SteelColdiron
    Posts: 229
    [QUOTE=dtmsmith;88362]Based on my experience, it's real. The program involves learning how to make a sound that amplifies pleasure. I don't think would be ethical for me to say more.

    I'm not going to ask you to say more, but this is in direct line with a theory that I have been pondering the last week or two. I am starting to think about the total connection between physics, biology, and chemistry. In essence, everything boils down to chemistry, ions and electrons spurring the foundation of physics with electrons and ions providing energy. Then thinking in terms of physics, my impression is that all comes in waves, light waves, sound waves, etc...however light also uses particle motion, so no perfect connection there. But your statement regarding sound is leading me to believe that my thinking of frequency waves can directly impact organic material, such as muscle contraction and the activation of energy release via mitochondria, like Artform has advised. I am most curious about Jack's method now. When I am afforded the opportunity I will most certainly look into his method. I am also curious if applying a frequency based approach can work in other aspects of the human realm, such as improved memory, health, etc... If frequency can enhance pleasure, I'm not sure why it wouldn't work in other areas that respond to sensory receptors.
  • Invidia
    Posts: 8
    Can anyone inform me on the difference between the $70 package and the $130 package. As a beginner what would be best? Thanks!
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,474
    Welcome Invidia!! :D :D

    As I said in a post above, I have never regretted investing in the full 4 disk Library package that Jack has on offer. There are two (2) different instructional disks in the Library and many guys and gals find they do want the second disk too, if they just get the introductory package, although that does work completely for others!!

    The third disk is interviews with successful users. I found this exceptionally valuable to put the practice in a life story context. The fourth disk is your own copy of the first twelve years of chats and files that you can then explore at your leisure without having to be on the net!

    If it won't break the bank, definitely go for the full Library package, IMHO. Read my blog to see more of why I say this: Aneros

    all the best complementary practice searching experimenting accelerating integrating where that tickles your fancy all

    artform
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    I've not yet undertaken or seriously studied KSMO but bought into the entire comprehensive package last year. I've only scanned the material but it's breadth and depth is impressive. Last night I had an interesting experience with vocalization (not KSMO) and it's relationship to Orgasm. I blogged the background and whole experience but here's a 'nutshell' summary.

    Last night I became wakeful as one moan ended. I was then wide-awake during the moan that followed. Those two moans were deep in pitch and I could feel the vibrations in my diaphragm and Dan Tien. Unlike any feeling I'd ever had from a sound. I have no memory of any dream that might have preceded these moans. I'm not yet into KSMO but this seemed to resemble some of what I've read about that MMO technique. Although I'd like to fulfill my Aneros journey first, my future seems headed for KSMO.

    Yeah, although inexperienced, I'd recommend the whole package. The $$ difference is not much different than adding another tool to your Aneros toybox.
  • J4J4
    Posts: 124
    I too have found benefits from combining both Aneros and KSMO practices. As for KSMO, it is in my intermediate goal range to crack the O barrier using breath and sound alone. Let’s face it, I don’t want to be shooting lube forever.

    I have had very interesting results using KSMO. It takes a little leap of faith to keep at it long enough to make things happen but it is worth it.

    In Aneros’ favor, it is such a tactile experience – for many, it provides immediate feedback as to where and how it feels good. That’s a big reason why I choose the Aneros session over a KSMO session when I have a longer time block available. Aneros almost always gives me something to enjoy.

    KSMO has a delayed gratification factor to it for me. The feelings sometimes hit at night or the morning after and seems for me to really heighten prostate tingle in the days following a couple of good KSMO sessions. In that way KSMO is very sneaky. If I forgo KSMO for a long period of time, my Aneros sessions seem to peak out. But mix in the KSMO sessions and the day after effects increase. It takes months of on again off again KSMO practice to see these patterns… but I’ve got the time.

    I can generate intense prostate buzz with KSMO but still no cross over to dry O.

    Currently, just the act of lying down can spark a spontaneous session of p-waves. I attribute this very desirable development of Anerosless sessions to KSMO. I don’t employ the key sound during spontaneous sessions because I want to encourage this natural evolution of my abilities.

    KSMO helps keep my moving on down the road. But Aneros delivers the only payload of mini O’s that I can achieve. I have integrated Aneros into my sex life with the missus, but haven’t even attempted to shout out a key sound during sex – that seems a lot more foreign than the little bit of protruding plastic.

    Good sessions to all,

    J4