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  • poppiepoppie
    Posts: 23
    Hi guys,Have not posted anything for a while as nothing has been happening as of late , seems everything just stopped , no sensations or nothing , I'm not to concerned as it is just probably all part of the big picture and I'm sure I'll get a big unexpected surprise one day .I've been using the helix most times and also the progasm when I get adventurous.Just yesterday I ordered the Eupho to see if that will rev things up, I'll keep you informed. But I do have a question regarding rewiring. From time to time I get a strong desire to have some in & out anal action , I'm thinking of using a med size silicone anal dildo , the smooth type and have myself or the wife do me! I know I cant use the aneros for this so that is why I want to try it. Because not much is happening on the aneros journey at present ,regular intercourse has taken center stage and is so much more enjoyable for now , even the wife is smiling more of late. Well my question is will using a dildo now and then affect my rewiring process ? I will still use my selection of aneros as I do not want to lose where I've got to so far. Do you think the desire for more direct in/out anal action is a result of nothing happening or just a mind over body thing? Well in closing can't wait for my new eupho and just talking about the anal dildo is really getting me extremely excited :)
    Thanks for your input
    poppie
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    Being in the same general locale of the journey path, I say it can't hurt. Early on I got the overpowering pleasure reward from just plain old ano-rectal play with the Aneros and a couple of other tools. While it may have slowed my rewiring, one should pause to smell the flowers....... etc. etc. :) .

    I've tried to use only the Eupho during serious journey sessions when I intend to arouse and stim for orgasm. That leaves the rest of the toolbox for other pursuits: (SGX for foreplay; and, the MGX, Helix and Progasm for anal play, prostate therapy and plain an occasional plain old wank).

    So that was the theory. Turned out the Helix supported my first S-O and one other.

    You'll luv Dame Eupho. Be subtle with her and she'll reward you with neat vibes, wiggles, nuzzles and nibbles. ...enjoy

    ====
    I think the error that really might slow rewiring is using one of your journey stims to support an erection and ejaculation. For example, I avoid lip-stim during my 'journey' sessions, since that causes a p-wave that I like during foreplay and hetero-sex.
  • After I crossed the Super-O threshold, I decided to try working with a dildo to see what kind of pleasure I could get from it. I found I could have Super-Os quite easily and reliably with the dildo in place, no thrusting required. However, the dildo did decrease the sensitivity of my prostate. In subsequent sessions with the Aneros, which (relative to the dildo) produces vastly superior orgasms, I could not achieve Super-O. I sort of freaked, stopped using the dildo, and the sensitivity returned within a week or so.

    Of course everyone's anatomy is different, but bear in mind that dildo usage could potentially diminish or nullify pleasure with the Aneros. I can only speculate, but extreme and/or protracted dildo use may irreversibly hinder your Aneros rewiring process. Though it took some willpower, I decided to prioritize sensitivity and give up the dildo altogether. I'm curious what others will have to say on this topic...
  • poppiepoppie
    Posts: 23
    Thanks privateidaho03, Great answer to my concerns ! makes a lot of sense , I havent done the dildo thing yet but of course I want to try it and experience the feeling.
    But I will take it slow and easy when I do.Once in a while I have had a light finger prostate massage and it felt great! maybee I should stop this practice also ? Right now I'm waiting for my Eupho which will hopefully be here today and it will take priority over the dildo .
    How long into your journey did it take you to get to the super o ? and what aneros do you mainly use ? I feel I still have a way to go to get there because as I mentioned everything
    seems like it stopped recently.
    Best to you
    poppie
  • I think it took me around 7-8 months to get to the Super-O after the first time I put in the Helix. The first Super-O came just a few sessions after I upgraded to the Progasm. I was fortunate to have lots of pleasure even before the Super-O, which made the journey easier. Though I've got Helix and Peridise, the Progasm is the only model I use these days.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,477
    Hi poppie, rook, and privateidaho03!!! :D :D :D

    This is an excellent conversation about a key conceptual and practical mapping of the overall Aneros Experience, IMHO.

    [QUOTE=poppie;88101]Hi guys,... But I do have a question regarding rewiring. From time to time I get a strong desire to have some in & out anal action , I'm thinking of using a med size silicone anal dildo , the smooth type and have myself or the wife do me! I know I cant use the aneros for this so that is why I want to try it.

    Because not much is happening on the aneros journey at present ,regular intercourse has taken center stage and is so much more enjoyable for now , even the wife is smiling more of late.

    Well my question is will using a dildo now and then affect my rewiring process ? I will still use my selection of aneros as I do not want to lose where I've got to so far. Do you think the desire for more direct in/out anal action is a result of nothing happening or just a mind over body thing? Well in closing can't wait for my new eupho and just talking about the anal dildo is really getting me extremely excited :)
    Thanks for your input
    poppie

    Mrs. a and I have recently changed aspects of our sessions. I now have one or the other of my Aneros models in either from the beginning or inserted at an appropriate time in a longer session. Timing is everything, as your question on possible effects on rewiring is concerned poppie.

    Most of the time the Aneros in is my Progasm Ice. As I have commented earlier in threads and chats, the Ice provides extraordinary in-and-out movement and is the best Auto*F by far in my experience. If that is what you are looking for, I doubt you can find anything better. I have tried the dildos route too: no comparison.

    As we are pumping passionately, the Ice is vigorously going at my prostate and fully pumping my whole alimentary canal into a great physical frenzy and passionate fantJazziAAHHHhhhhhhhh. This is pounding through my penis and whole body contact/bonding too to mrs. a's direct physical and energies reception of these sensations and ecstasies shared.

    Some time ago, with either my wife's finger massaging my prostate or with the Ice, I sensed and memorized the delicate switch in the prostate that moves its action from potential/continuing Super-Os to the Super-T route. IMHO, it is most simply summarized as a key shift in the weigh and pressure, rhythm and insistence of the massage.

    Before I sensed and memorized the "access intent" for this switch, it might or might not happen spontaneously when we would have these sessions with me having an aneros in. Many times the T-up happened when I would not have chosen it. Did that effect the speed or reliability of my rewiring? Maybe. When I said above the key is timing, the key for me was focusing on sensing, developing and learning the energies access, amplification and everyday/anytime integration in my life, including becoming able to sense and intend the switch to happen when I choose.

    All the best with your Eupho adventures poppie!!! Eupho is still (Eupho is NEVER still!!!) my far and away favourite model...

    all the best multi-circuit rewiring and energetic choice skill developments all

    artform
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,477
    Apologies for the delay in completeing the post above!

    And Welcome privateidaho03 !!! :D :D :D

    Yours is one of the great quotation signatures in this Forum!

    all the best of nothingness arising all

    artform
  • poppiepoppie
    Posts: 23
    artform,
    Great info and reading, I have a question , Do you also have the regular progasm or just the ice , if you have both is the ice that much better
    than the regular !? I just have the regular but if the ice is giving you such a great autof#**k session I WANT ONE NOW !!! This wud def seem
    to be a much better route to go than a dildo and it won't derail my wiring . Other members have stated you shoudn't have the progasm in your
    butt while having intercourse , just the smaller ones ? But I think if it feels good do it Right !!!
    poppie
  • awakening
    Posts: 9
    Hi poppie
    You've already received some very good replies above.

    This is my first post since having my first big time superO last night [for real: head to toe electroshock rigor vitus for over two hours, i thought i was going to die at first, later didn't care - btw. keep at it, it is sooo worth it]]
    Similar to privateidaho03's story, Ive been on Helix for about 10 months now. 3 months ago I got progasm, and it helped me a lot in finding out what direct contact with the prostate should feel like.
    After some of the sessions I was just too hot and frustrated and did use mostly progasm [hard and fast] as a dildo, and despite being a bit hard, gave unreal sensations to my already buzzing prostate, and the perineum tab ball just hit the spot. Got my first anorectal orgasm this way. Might have been a bladder orgasm also, since the massive force of contraction caused a jet of pee flying across the room. egh. I digress.
    Recently, my wife whipped an old smooth curved g-spot vibe into me and it felt incredible when it hit the prostate. I subsequently used it solo to similar rectal orgasm after aneros sessions that, despite being very pleasurable, left me unsated. Plus I finished all of them with trad. ejac. And all through this I've become more and more sensitive and aware of my prostate, and what things could feel like.
    I knew there was a risk of this kind of 'hard' approach undoing my patient slow progress, but I was getting frustrated, and I realized that I had no idea what an anal, rectal or prostate orgasm might feel like, and which sensations are involved.

    To get down to your question, and this is only my very personal experience; Please guys don't flame me for this.
    I have spent 10 months with the utmost diligence to do this right, and I think it helped me a great deal with rewiring and sensitizing, also with muscle tone there, but only after doing things 'wrong' did I really understand where to go, and last night it all came together. [pardon the pun.]

    Again, I am by no means suggesting that impaling yourself is the path to enlightenment, on the contrary it is probably a bad idea, but for me I have to say that it helped in this final stage, getting over the last hurdle.

    To Artform: I too am curious if there is a real difference between Ice and normal white...
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,477
    Thanks too for this clear definition of your concern and the potential problems PI03!

    [QUOTE=privateidaho03;88139]After I crossed the Super-O threshold, I decided to try working with a dildo to see what kind of pleasure I could get from it. I found I could have Super-Os quite easily and reliably with the dildo in place, no thrusting required. However, the dildo did decrease the sensitivity of my prostate. In subsequent sessions with the Aneros, which (relative to the dildo) produces vastly superior orgasms, I could not achieve Super-O. I sort of freaked, stopped using the dildo, and the sensitivity returned within a week or so.

    Of course everyone's anatomy is different, but bear in mind that dildo usage could potentially diminish or nullify pleasure with the Aneros. I can only speculate, but extreme and/or protracted dildo use may irreversibly hinder your Aneros rewiring process. Though it took some willpower, I decided to prioritize sensitivity and give up the dildo altogether. I'm curious what others will have to say on this topic...

    It is the degree of pressure on the prostate that is an issue. That is what can prompt the "switch" from the normal gentle aneros stroking or caressing of the prostate and its dry Super-Os and ecstasies opening; to the heavier, higher pressure, insistent massage of a bigger device like the Progasm models or a dildo (although there is no comparison IMHO) if you are clenching and thrusting with your hips in that kind of session. Just where that switch point occurs and how sensitive the "choice switch" can become is something that develops with experience if you keep listening intently to your body's little reactions even in an orgasmic storm!

    There are warnings here about applying too much pressure to your prostate. Ideally for Super-O development, one adopts your discipline PI03 of leaving the dildo out behind. That is the Aneros path hands free and allowing your pelvic basin muscles to power your Aneros exclusively, which is relatively gently. Similarly, going heavy with your Progasm can lead more to Super-Ts, in my experience. In my youth I had Prostatitis several times and had to be treated by a doctor massaging/milking my prostate with a very heavy-handed finger. None of my occasionally more vigorous clenching thrusting sessions have ever been the same painful weight/pressure he exerted in there!

    The best guide to appropriate pressures for massage, that seems to parallel the pure gentle aneros handsfree session, is having you female partner massaging your prostate with her finger slowly and gently, sometimes for a couple of hours or more!!! Mrs. a and I have a mutual prostates practice where we massage each other that way and the beautiful orgasmic flows and chains and ecstatic floating bliss and powerful energies and energy exchanges and even out-of-body cosmic union experiences flow from these slow gentlest caresses and slightest pressures and long stillnesses of just the lightest touch.

    I hesitated getting the Progasm Ice. I knew I would enjoy the heavier play too and wasn't sure I wanted it competing with what we had so magnificently been experiencing on the Slow and Gentlest Path. Having first rewired for that way, and having achieved multiple Super-O flows or chains regularly, was less concerned about loosing that wiring than if I was just beginning that path. Butt I do limit the times I use the Progasm Ice and typically have several Eupho session in between. If I ever feel that I am shifting to the heavier too much I will retire it for a longer while. Nothing should rob a man of the results possible from this slow gentle multiple energies centred ecstasies life. Nothing.

    A Taoist energies practice arising from my/our Aneros/KSMO opening/awakening practice (and continuing BPH therapy) is our focus and future through the full range of orgasmic, health and spiritual ecstasies and body/mind reintegration it can bring to you and your partner.

    Welcome awakening!! The Ice is made of the clear acrylic, a very different, much smoother plastic. Other have polished their white Progasms to achieve comparable smoothness and you can use the Search feature of the site here to find them if you like. I went for the Ice for the slicker smoother possibilities. If Ice hadn't cum along, I doubt that I would have "gone big" beyond my Helix or MGX.

    all the best careful exploration of the most effective pressure/weight/vigour of your prostate massage practice all

    artform
  • poppiepoppie
    Posts: 23
    awakening CONGRATULATIONS !! ON YOUR FIRST SUPER O , I am even more determined now! . I found it interesting that you have used the progasm sort of like a dildo and it sounds like it helped you in your journey without derailing your rewiring , like you I am into this about 9 mths or so and yes I am getting a little frustated due to lack of any significant progress, this is why I need a little release from the frustation. I am happy for all the guys that crossed over but when I read the super O posts of course being human you get a bit jealous and also ask why not me what am I doing wrong ? Last month I posted a question" when is to much too much "- in regards to frequent masturbatiion and ejaculation, Come to think about it since I stopped ejaculating as much as before (by sex or by hand) and watching less porn my sensations and feelings have stopped, this has been tough for me as I luv getting off! So this gets me wondering that for me I should do what I feel is right for me ? Also according to posts from gay guys who have regular penile- anal intercourse they are also having Super O's , it didn't affect their rewiring so that tells me why not have some fun with some extra anal action, this might put me in tune as it did for you. Of course I will take it easy and enjoy , I wont pound my prostate into submission,will use the silicone dildo for some in/out anal action , I will most likely polish up my progasm to work like the ice does for artform sounds hot !! By the way I've yet to try my Eupho for its maiden run, any special way to make her dance or just do the contractions etc and relax.
    also artform, rook and privateidaho03, many thanks for your input
    Best to you all
    poppie
  • poppiepoppie
    Posts: 23
    Hey guys , me again.
    In a nutshell I guess my main frustation is the absence of the involuntary in/out movement that so many members get on the road to the super o , from what I can figure out these are what put you over the top. Well these are not happening for me and that is why I guess I desire the manual method , if I can get these involuntaries going I will no doub't not require the dildo thing. Is there any special method you guys are using to get them. Maybe some guys are just predisposed to get them and others are not ? Any suggestions? I have the helix , progasm and just now the Eupho,
    Thanks
    poppie
  • The_BishopThe_Bishop
    Posts: 810
    [QUOTE=poppie;88283]Hey guys , me again.
    In a nutshell I guess my main frustation is the absence of the involuntary in/out movement that so many members get on the road to the super o , from what I can figure out these are what put you over the top. Well these are not happening for me and that is why I guess I desire the manual method , if I can get these involuntaries going I will no doub't not require the dildo thing. Is there any special method you guys are using to get them. Maybe some guys are just predisposed to get them and others are not ? Any suggestions? I have the helix , progasm and just now the Eupho,
    Thanks
    poppie

    I vape some weed to relax and lay down on my side with my legs bent. This position provides a good amount of pressure on the Aneros without contracting. Then I just wait for the twitching to start (20 minutes or so). First my eye begins to twitch, then arm, then hips. Then I roll to my back which seems to be a better position for me once the involuntaries start. I try to resit the urge to contract because it seems to be counter-productive to the building of the sensations. That is my personal experience.
    BTW: I use a tailless Eupho to start and then move to the Helix when things start to progress.