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Feels great...then a yucky surprise... : (
  • pnomanpnoman
    Posts: 145
    Hi to all!

    I've experienced this a few times recently- any idea why this happens...?

    I begin the session with an enema - 3 to 5 oz. of warm water.

    I then inject 5 tablespoons of lube into my rear and begin session.

    About 1 hour into the session I begin to have problems keeping the aneros in. This is normally with the MGX and Eupho that I have this problem. I try to keep it in, but it ends up shooting out! And it always seems to happen when I feel like I'm about to reach a plateau. I think I'm on the edge of a super-o, but then the aneros shoots out prematurely. And also when it shoots out there have been a few occasions where there was a small "puddle of mud" that accompanied it. (This was probably a mixture of the lube with whatever other material was in there.)

    Why does it pop out? What's up with the yucky mess? Is it possible that I am inducing peristalsis without knowing it? Because of this I have less desire to use the aneros. I used to use it 2-3 times a week for an average of 3 hours each time. Now I use only once a week.
  • Edit
    Posts: 0
    Sounds to me like an incomplete enema. You should really do two enemas...the first with hot water, the second with cold water. Make sure you've completley emptied your bowels. I'd skip the enema if I was you. If you're healthy, your bowel movements should be enough on their own.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 720
    pnoman,

    Sounds to me as if you are using way too much lube. The puddle you speak of is probably mostly lube!

    5 tablespoons is the equivalent of 100ml. You shouldn't need anything like that much.

    Try about half a teaspoon (2.5ml). If that doesn't give you sufficient comfort, it might be a good idea to try a different lube.

    Let's know how you go!
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello pnoman, :)

    I agree with Pommie that you are using way too much lube. The most I ever injected into me when I was using liquid lubes was 5ml. And even then, the typical advice is about 3ml. Which in combination with the possibility of NoJoy's suggestion could also be correct that you didn't completely evacuate yourself from the rectal rinse. It's been suggested by another user here that is a good idea to do the rectal rinse a bit in advance of the Aneros session so as to allow for the possibility of getting everything out in more than one sitting on the toilet. Also, are you by chance using a water based lube that has glycerin in it? You could be experiencing the "urge to purge" from it that some men get. I had to stop using using that sort of lube for that reason. I hope you are able to resolve the source of this issue. :)

    Love_is
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    pnoman,

    Sounds like there's the possibility of several things going on here. Yes, the amount of lube you're using is likely one issue, scale it down to 2 to 4 ml. But as Love_is said, the type of lube may be an problem as well. If you're using a lube that contains glycerin, it may be having a purgative effect upon you. Try switching to a product that is glycerin free. On the enema, I strongly disagree with the user who advised you to "completely empty your bowels". In theory this might seem desirable, but in practice it's a totally different thing. First, anything short of a high colonic generally leaves some water and some dissolved fecal material in your colon which can often empty into the rectum when you least expect it. If you are strongly committed to trying something like this, make certain to allow 30 to 45 mins before beginning your session. The reason for this is that it allows some time for your colon to reabsorb any water that may be present.

    It is far preferable to perform a quick rinse out of the rectum only, being careful to avoid using too much fluid (4 to 6 ounces is sufficient). Using too much fluid can result in some of it entering your colon, and if this happens you may be committed the larger task. What I like to tell people about enemas is to think in terms of using a small amount of water that helps your body to remove any material that is present in the rectum as opposed to an irrigation where the pressure of the water does all of the work. On the temperature of the water, ALWAYS use water that is as close to body temperature as possible. The use of cold water or warm water (never use hot water) can initiate peristalsis which can result in cramping and the need for the big job. Waiting 30 minutes or so prior is an added precaution as it will once again allow any small amount of water that by chance did make it into the colon to be absorbed. Lastly, the position of your body may be a factor in keeping water out of your colon as well. I like situating myself over the toilet. In this position, gravity is working for you and you're close by the toilet for the evacuation.

    For more information check out the WIKI in the "Getting Started" section or see My Turn's post " http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/do-you-need-100%25-evacuated-empty-before-session-14138/" ..


    BF Mayfield
  • I initially tried doing enemas and rinses to clean things up before I started but I learned that it was completely unnecessary (for me) unless I felt the urgent need to use the restroom. If I need to go, I just do and then my rectum is plenty clear for a session.

    Do what you feel is necessary but you may be that you can skip that step.
  • pnomanpnoman
    Posts: 145
    Thanks for all your replies. Will try to skip the BM and see what happens. The lube that I prefer is PROBE Thick and Rich. I normally inject it via a children's medicine dropper that you can get free from rite aid (tell them you lost the dropper that came with your kid's medicine). I fill it up to the max - and maybe it's 5 teaspoons instead of tablespoons- I'm not 100% sure on that. I'll try cutting my lube usage as well and see what happens. Wish me luck!
  • Old WolfOld Wolf
    Posts: 114
    If you're using a child's medicine dropper it is unlikely to be 5 teaspoons, surely. Most children's medicine is measured in 5ml teaspoons (or at least it is 'over here'). To have multiples is confusing the issue and could result in serious overdosing (of the child). Check the graduations and what they represent. As has been suggested 5ml is plenty.

    Re evacuation I always rinse up there and rarely fail to remove something. Maybe I don't eat enough fibre :)

    A little trick that I have learned that helps is to not hunch over the toilet in typical western style with elbows on knees but to sit as straight as possible, raise your arms above your head and look to the front too, not at the floor. Not mumbo jumbo, it works because, again, gravity is working in your favour via a straightened rectum. I often find that using this method 'finds' a BM I didn't even know I wanted, lol.

    Enough scat ;)

    Have fun,

    Old Wolf
  • DeepDeep
    Posts: 78
    [QUOTE=Old Wolf;85941]A little trick that I have learned that helps is to not hunch over the toilet in typical western style with elbows on knees but to sit as straight as possible, raise your arms above your head and look to the front too, not at the floor. Not mumbo jumbo, it works because, again, gravity is working in your favour via a straightened rectum. I often find that using this method 'finds' a BM I didn't even know I wanted, lol.

    I'd have to disagree with you here. Elbows to knees puts the colon in the most natural position to go to the toilet short of actually squatting. This is a hang over from when we walked on all fours. Before the toilet was invented humans squatted when emptying the bowels. The modern toilet can be attributed to a lot of the bowel problems humans suffer from these days.
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    [QUOTE=pnoman;85899]Hi to all! .... snip ...

    About 1 hour into the session I begin to have problems keeping the aneros in. ...

    I try to keep it in, but it ends up shooting out! And it always seems to happen when I feel like I'm about to reach a plateau. I think I'm on the edge of a super-o, but then the aneros shoots out prematurely. ....

    Sounds like you are on the verge of a 'suck-in' of the Aneros (when there's a strong involuntary anal contraction accompanied by pelvic and rectal contractions) but some reflex is reversing the co-ordination of the muscles.

    You might be better off focusing on just pelvic relaxation hoping just for an anal involuntary.
  • pnomanpnoman
    Posts: 145
    rook-

    That's what I thought too. Everything starts to feel real good and I'm hoping that something magical is about to happen, then it shoots out. I'll try your pelvic relaxation and see what happens.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    pnoman,

    I've got a bit of a different take on the issue of the Aneros "shooting out prematurely". I've experienced the same thing myself on occasion, and while it's disconcerting, I think that it might be something to adapt to with a workaround as opposed to avoiding altogether. The fact is that Super O's have been known to trigger peristaltic contraction for some folks. So it's possible that it is natural for you to experience this as an element leading up to a Super O. From a practical standpoint however, this presents you with a bit of a problem if you can't retain the Aneros long enough to go all of the way.

    This is the thing, generally, just prior to this happening one has a definite sense that one is almost involuntarily bearing down, is it like this for you, or does this really happen without any warning? Sometimes this can be more just like a feeling of something imminent, if this is so for you, there are a couple things that you can try. First, as simple as it sounds, start and hold a contraction(anally) as soon as you begin to feel this outward (or imminent) sensation. Optimally you want to try to add the voluntary contraction with incremental intensity in response to the involuntary contraction if possible. So if you're feeling a low-level rectal contraction, add a low-level anal contraction. However, you may not be able to gauge this accurately enough to do so. What happens then? The Aneros either shoots out as it's done in the past or you use a contraction that is so hard that it extinguishes what's going on involuntarily. No question, this requires a little trial and error but this has the potential of producing some very nice sensations or even a Super O.

    If you've read some of my earlier posts, I suggested that people actually try to set up a circumstance like this on their own. I discussed the concept of anal and rectal contractions being antagonistic with one another. I suggested that users utilize the pushing out (rectal) contraction simultaneously with the closing in (anal )contraction. When the conditions are right, this can be like the collision of atomic nuclei, where the electromagnetic forces (positive and negative) that keep nuclei apart are overcome and one has FUSION and the release of a whole lot of energy! What may be going in your case actually holds even greater potential, as one wouldn't be doing everything voluntarily. So in sum, I'm saying if you have a physical awareness of this outward force, work with it, and see if you can make it work for you!

    In the event that there is NO sensation leading up to the rectal contraction (although there normally is, very often men are just not tuned in to the warning signs), a more physical workaround may be necessary. Yep, you may have to keep your hand down there in order to intervene should it become necessary. I know it's a hassle and I know that it breaks the mood a bit, but the Aneros firing out at the wrong time is far worse. Btw. the idea here is NOT to take this into a total manual mode (working the Aneros by hand), but just to add enough force to keep it in. From there allow your body to react to it as naturally as possible using voluntary anal contractions to mitigate the outward force.

    Check it out



    BF Mayfield
  • Pnoman, Thank you for your post. I am experiencing a similar condition, but without the surprise. At the point where I am feeling "what happens next is going to be fantastic" my MGX will pop out. No amount of contractions, relaxation, or attempts at muscle control seem to have any effect on keeping the mgx in place. This means end of session. The expulsion is not explosive, quite the opposite. It seems slow and almost purposeful. Once it has come out reintroduction has not been successful, without a substantial rest period. This usually occurs at the 1-1 1/2 hour mark, after insertion. I do prelube with about 3ml or 1tbs of lube. I do a rectal cleanse of about 10-20 ML, that's 1 to 2 lube syringes of warm water. And I do linger at a very pleasurable spot as I insert my mgx. It just feels so dam great.....

    I have come to three possible conclusions.

    1, Is that I have a very intensely pleasurable sensation when the MGX is approximately 2/3 of the way in. I am thinking that my body my be trying to find this pleasure point and pushing the mgx out to the point it will not stay in because of the size and design. I am thinking a smaller model might be what I need.

    2, Is that my body knows best what it needs and to go any further is pointless or possible harmful.

    3, and most likely... is that I need to better develop the musculature in the area.

    Now I also remember what happened to me last summer after I had been on my Anros journey for several months. I was hospitlaized for about a week with a severe bacterial infection in my colon. My Doc does not think it was connected to my Aneros use, but rather a specific bacteria found in soil. I was building a stone wall at the time. As the pain and abdomen swelling increased, so did an almost constant butt buzz and pleasure waves. I needed very little narcotics to keep the pain under control. The only time I did not have a butt buzz during the hospital stay, was when they had me well medicated with narcotics (not my choice).

    I am convinced my body provided what my brain needed for pain relief. This leads me to think that I do not want to rush this prostate pleasure process. That I should let it happen when it is ready, not when I think it is. I am looking forward to following this thread to see what others think.
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    I have that problem, mostly with the Progasm. I used to have the same problem with the Helix, usually when nearing a crossover O, but now, the P-tab just digs in to the point of distracting. It feels good, like it's doing something but I can't tell if it's going in or out until it's too late. My workaround is wearing a pair of old underwear to prevent it from coming all the way out. My beginner Peridise sucks itself in until the T is digging into my outer sphincter.