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The Aneros Men's Club
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,196
    guys-

    as i just mentioned in the "get together" thread, i have created a google group called the Aneros Men's Club to provide a place for guys to find other aneros users and arrange aneros parties (straight, gay, bi, etc), or whatever, that would not be appropriate on this forum.

    i for one would like to get together with other guys to use the aneros in a "sporting" (ie, basically straight and no touching) setting, so maybe i'll see you over there....

    http://groups.google.com/group/aneros-mens-club

    darwin
  • Nikki
    Posts: 19
    darwin said:

    guys-

    as i just mentioned in the "get together" thread, i have created a google group called the Aneros Men's Club to provide a place for guys to find other aneros users and arrange aneros parties (straight, gay, bi, etc), or whatever, that would not be appropriate on this forum.

    i for one would like to get together with other guys to use the aneros in a "sporting" (ie, basically straight and no touching) setting, so maybe i'll see you over there....

    http://groups.google.com/group/aneros-mens-club

    darwin



    One question darwin..

    Can I be a fly on the wall? ;)

    Nikki
  • My Brother-in-law came over last night and we had a 2 hour session. Using the aneros while laying next to another guy really got me hot.
    If you can find someone you trust I reccommend everyone try it with a buddy at least once.

    Or having Nikki as a fly on the wall might be fun also.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,196
    that is SO cool.

    darwin
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    I've been a user for about 3 months now and have been making some good progress. No Super O's, but some amazing sensations.

    Being heterosexual myself, I don't think I would enjoy getting together with other guys for this experience. That just doesn't sound cool to me at all. For me, it all about exploring new sensations that I can bring into my relationship with my wife. So far it's been about 50-50. Half the time alone and half with her.

    I would imagine that if one is gay, gay curious or bisexual, it's a different story. In that case, this kind of trysting would likely form the basis of relationships!
  • canadian
    Posts: 30
    darwin said:

    guys-

    as i just mentioned in the "get together" thread, i have created a google group called the Aneros Men's Club to provide a place for guys to find other aneros users and arrange aneros parties (straight, gay, bi, etc), or whatever, that would not be appropriate on this forum.

    i for one would like to get together with other guys to use the aneros in a "sporting" (ie, basically straight and no touching) setting, so maybe i'll see you over there....

    http://groups.google.com/group/aneros-mens-club

    darwin



    Why would anyone want to join a group of men who cannot accept there bisexuality? Lets be VERY honest here OK. Anyone who gets off putting something in there anus to get off has to be at least a somewhat bi. 80% on this forum swear to be straight, the biggest lie on any forum I have ever been on is here. Just be honest with yourselves & then believe me you will enjoy your aneros even more. Lets be honest ok, how many think off a penis being inside you as you enjoy the feelings, at least 80% & I being conservative with 80%.

    At least I am honest & admit it is very bisexual to me because I have learned to accept myself & my feelings. By doing so I can enjoy my play with my aneros guilt free.

    Most of you make me feel sorry for you, that you can post & profess you are straight to EVEN convince your very lost mind that you are straight. putting an aneros inside your anus is the start of what you want. Be honest with yourself, accept yourself & mostly stop makeing a fool of yoursel in public. Then I too will respect you as you show respect for yourself. This post is to all of you not just 1 person & it is meant to help anyone confused. Its with careing I post this.
  • geewiz
    Posts: 8
    We interrupt our regularly scheduled program to bring you this special announcement :
    "O.K. canadian, get real, let us be factually honest here"

    Q. "Why would anyone want to join a group of men who cannot accept there bisexuality?"
    A. Why would anyone join any group, be they male or female if they CAN accept their bisexuality? Who cares? What difference does it make? You join a group because you want to, plain and simple.
    Statement : "Lets be VERY honest here OK. Anyone who gets off putting something in there anus to get off has to be at least a somewhat bi."
    Response : Can you cite for me the psychiatric reference book to substantiate that statement?
    Statement : "80% on this forum swear to be straight, the biggest lie on any forum I have ever been on is here."
    Response : Can you provide me with the statistical evidence to prove this? I have read a limited number of posts where the author did identify their sexual persuasion, but I haven't seen any where the author has "sworn" he or she is straight. How did you catch these people in their lie? Did you track down each and every author, perform background checks, and interview each of their current and past sexual partners to verify their sexual practices?
    Statement : "Just be honest with yourselves & then believe me you will enjoy your aneros even more."
    Response : I don't see how anyone can believe your allegations without
    back-up evidence. How is honesty related to physical enjoyment? I can lie like a rug and still enjoy getting my rocks off!
    Statement : "Lets be honest ok, how many think of a penis being inside you as you enjoy the feelings, at least 80% & I being conservative with 80%."
    Response : Can you provide me with the statistical evidence to prove this? Personally, I don't think about being penetrated by a penis while using my Aneros, I'm too caught up thinking about the sweet sensations my prostate is sending me, so I guess now you'll call me a liar.
    Statement : "At least I am honest & admit it is very bisexual to me because I have learned to accept myself & my feelings. By doing so I can enjoy my play with my aneros guilt free."
    Response : I congratulate you for comming (no pun intended) to terms with your own sexuality. This may be the most truthful statement you've made here, but guess what I also enjoy my Aneros guilt free, despite your presumption that 80% of me is Bi-sexual, (I guess that must make me also 10% homosexual and 10% straight, who knew?)
    Statement : "Most of you make me feel sorry for you, that you can post & profess you are straight to EVEN convince your very lost mind that you are straight."
    Response : I guess this means most of us Aneros users are in dire need of psychiatric counseling to find our lost minds, but please tell me where you received your Psychiatric degree and the location of your practice before they haul me off to the loony bin, and by the way don't feel sorry for me, I'm very happy with my little Aneros toy.
    Statement : "Putting an aneros inside your anus is the start of what you want. Be honest with yourself, accept yourself & mostly stop makeing a fool of yourself in public."
    Response : Well you got this half right, putting my Aneros prostate massager through my anus into my rectum so it can function as it was designed IS the start of what I WANT, namely the exquisite pleasure of a SUPER-O. I have not been engaging this activity while in public, (oops, truth here, I did go outside once to pick up the newspaper with my MGX firmly embedded in my bum, but I also had a pair of jeans on), I'm pretty certain that if I had been publicly displaying this activity I would now be in jail facing indecent exposure charges and probably a slew of other sex related crimes as well. To the best of my knowledge the last time I made a fool of myself in public was dancing to the tuneful strains of "New York, New York" atop a bar in 1986 along side several other gentlemen and ladies as we tried to perform a Radio City Music hall Rockettes style high-kick dance routine, it may have been foolish but it was also a lot of fun, so what's wrong with occasionally being foolish anyway?
    Statement : "Then I too will respect you as you show respect for yourself. This post is to all of you not just 1 person & it is meant to help anyone confused. Its with caring I post this."
    Response : I DO respect myself and I am not at all confused about my sexuality, the fact that I have enjoyed anal play since before puberty has absolutely NOTHING to do with my sexual orientation. If you are truly caring then will you care enough to provide evidence for your pseudo-factual statements on your next post to this forum.

    And now we return you back to our regularly scheduled program.
    darwin, hey dude, I been reading your comments on this forum for awhile and gotta say you have a twisted sense of humor, I LIKE IT! Your Aneros Men's Club, while not really my cup of tea, adds a whole new dimension to the term "male bonding". Good luck with it. What kind of "sporting" events did you have in mind? Progasm-put? MGX marathon? Helix hurdling? SGX sprinting? Interesting possibilities, have a ton of fun.
  • Old WolfOld Wolf
    Posts: 114
    Canadian, I'm afraid your argument falls at the first hurdle with your premise:

    "Anyone who gets off putting something in there anus to get off has to be at least a somewhat bi."



    To automatically link anal/prostate pleasure with bi- or homo-sexuality is ridiculous in the extreme and is an ignorant and hidebound attitude that many here on the forum have tried hard to counter. The anus/perineum/rectum/prostate are erogenous zones, pure and simple, irrespective of sexual orientation; to claim that enjoyment of these zones is the preserve of bi- or homosexual men and that those that do 'enjoy' are therefore 'not straight' is a myth. In perpetuating this myth you are doing a great disservice to the many newbies who come here seeking reassurance before embarking on the Aneros cruise.

    You might just as well claim that liking one's nipples played with/sucked is evidence that one's gender assignment has gone wrong and that one is partially female, or that enjoying having one's toes sucked makes one a foot fetishist.

    As you know I make no bones about my unexplored bisexuality and although I have tried gay fantasy on my route to the super O, quite frankly, I found it unfruitful. (Pun acknowledged) Like geewiz I find focus on my own body more productive than fantasy of any kind.

    As well as doing others a disservice you do so to yourself with your bigoted attitude backed up by unsubstantiated percentages and sweeping statements.

    I wish you speedy enlightenment,

    Old Wolf
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    Before I address the comments of Canadian, I wanted to discuss the post that seems to have got this all going in the first place. In his comments above, Polecat offered his opinions on the get-togethers suggested by Darwin. I'm not really clear from his statement whether he was just offering his own feelings on attending such gatherings or his condemnation. If it was the latter, I would ask him to consider the following. Darwin is a venerable member of this forum who has showered us with the wealth of his experience for many years now. And on the issue of this Men's Club whether or not it is for you, he certainly has every right to give notice of it here. Furthermore, he's gone about this in the right way, realizing that the details of it, are best left for a different place. In addition, he has stated several purposes for entertaining the idea.


    With regards to Canadian, in as much as I would like to avoid a pile-on here, (as I strongly agree with Old Wolf and Geewiz), there are a couple of points that I feel compelled to add.

    Having read many of Canadian's posts in the past I must confess I was a bit surprised when I saw this one. His other comments for the most part have appeared well considered. Frankly, this is the kind of opinion that one would expect from one who is uninitiated in the ways of the Aneros. Having enjoyed the benefits of this device, as he has, it's difficult to understand why he feels the necessity to so angrily denounce users who would consider themselves heterosexual?

    Anal stimulation = homosexual? This kind of reductionism is a relic of puritanism and Western culture to sure. And clearly, it is not confined to the conservative heterosexual establishment either. It's noteworthy, that in Asian and Eastern cultures there is no such association. Ancient teachings of the Tao and Tantra have long established the use of anal and prostate stimulation in a deeply heterosexual context for health and sexual fulfillment.

    My attitude on it is this, if the object of one's love, affection, sexual interest or attraction is a member of the same sex*, one is likely gay or bisexual. From my perpective, a sexual act itself does not define one's sexual preference, unless that sexual act requires that one has a same sex partner, to achieve fulfillment.

    I will give Canadian this much, there are no doubt some people here (and everywhere for that matter) that have a certain amount of ambivalence with respect to their sexual orientation. In my opinion it's ill advised and unproductive to attempt to shame those who are still searching, into an epiphany. Personal discovery such as this can't be prodded with hostility. Such revelations come with time and in the best cirumstances, in an open accepting environment (like we have here). I would hasten to add however, that there are many individuals here that are firmly heterosexual....having no interest in or curiousity about men as sexual partners.

    There has never been any kind of sexual litmus test applied in this forum. That's always been one of the great things about it, in that all are welcome here; straight, gay, bisexual and uncommitted!

    It's my hope that Canadian will reconsider some of his feelings,...not just for us, but for himself as well.

    BF Mayfield


    * ...love, and affection other the fraternal, paternal or maternal types.
  • johntrevy
    Posts: 221
    Um, somewhat in Canadian's defence (not wholely though). I have professed to be straight. Well, Yes this is true for the most part, but i do have fantasies about the male characters in RPGS. For example, i kinda think Vaan from FFXII is cute. Why?because he isnt one of those hard hitting macho guys. Would i ever have a relationship with him were he real?No, because i could never love him. He just looks and acts cute.
    I need a Vagina and breasts to get me off (which i can only imagine in the movies of course, for reasons i mentioned in a post).
    I know it sounds weird, but wanting and thinking are two differnt things.

    Would i attend this so called club?Hell yes!!watching super-o's can be educational in thier own right. Would i want to go out with them?hell no. Id rather have Nikki (Even if she is a fly on the wall LOL).
  • TripperTripper
    Posts: 250
    My personal belief is that we are all crazy......it's just a question of the percentage (%) in each individual's case.

    It's also clear that humans are all highly sexual animals. I went for a tour yesterday of the porn channels and toys.......and saw a plastic foot with an entry hole on the bottom of it. I guess that toy or porn sector would be labeled a sexual "fetish"? And E-Stimming equipment out of Pulp Fiction.

    No, we are quite tame on the Aneros forum. Having fun but still on the sexual charts.

    There is room here for both Darwin and Canadian.

    Tripper
  • Tripper said:

    My personal belief is that we are all crazy......it's just a question of the percentage (%) in each individual's case.
    Tripper



    Whoa Man..
    Don't be grouping me with the rest of you lunatics, the doctors said I was cured when they let me out of the asylem.
    And where can I get a plastic foot? :P

    I want to start a plastic foot club where we can all get together and watch each other use our plastic feet.
  • canadian
    Posts: 30
    I am very sorry to those who I offended. My honest intention was to maybe shock 1 or 2 to think about themselves & maybe help. After reading the replies to me it has helped me to maybe understand more & I am grateful for that as now I realise maybe I should not have been so harsh in my post. I myself at a younger age needed to get a shock like that to learn to accept myself & my secret bisexuality which in time was a great help to me, to learn to love myself & become a better person, at least in my case. I still live in secret & I feel bad for younger people as I do not want them to go through a life as I had to live with shame & feeling unwanted in society. The most happy in life that I have met are the bi friends I have met who accept themselves & life (I do not know any gays). Most of the male friends I have are hetro & ALL will say they would not even put a finger inside there anus, I think I was thinking about that last nite as I posted.

    I am not backing down on my my thoughts, I still believe in everything I said. I am just sorry I upset anyone & I respect everyone here. I am sure some here are hetro & learning & enjoying the wonder of what GOD has given us, that being our total body. No doubt the aneros can be of a great help to everyone.
  • canadian
    Posts: 30
    OK
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    canadian said:

    I am very sorry to those who I offended. My honest intention was to maybe shock 1 or 2 to think about themselves & maybe help. After reading the replies to me it has helped me to maybe understand more & I am grateful for that as now I realise maybe I should not have been so harsh in my post. I myself at a younger age needed to get a shock like that to learn to accept myself & my secret bisexuality which in time was a great help to me, to learn to love myself & become a better person, at least in my case. I still live in secret & I feel bad for younger people as I do not want them to go through a life as I had to live with shame & feeling unwanted in society. The most happy in life that I have met are the bi friends I have met who accept themselves & life (I do not know any gays). Most of the male friends I have are hetro & ALL will say they would not even put a finger inside there anus, I think I was thinking about that last nite as I posted.

    I am not backing down on my my thoughts, I still believe in everything I said. I am just sorry I upset anyone & I respect everyone here. I am sure some here are hetro & learning & enjoying the wonder of what GOD has given us, that being our total body. No doubt the aneros can be of a great help to everyone.




    Canadian,

    Thanks for the clarification, it is appreciated. I believe I have a better idea of where you're coming from now. Although, I am heterosexual, I am familiar with notion of having to keep something "secret" about myself. Unfortunately, there are precious few heterosexual friends of mine with whom I can share this wonderful information...about the Super O. This is definitely a cultural thing. When I was in Berlin last year, I found a different attitude about this kind of stimulation. It was refreshing to say the least. My participation in this forum, for all of these years has everything to do with the fact that I wanted to be able to share my experiences with others in an honest and open way. In some ways I've hoped that by giving this greater exposure, that maybe we could change some minds out there too! (Changin' America....one bedroom at a time....lol).


    I was taken with your reference to the attitudes of your heterosexual friends inserting anything up their rears. As I've already said, I know this to be true in my case as well, but I should also say that I've had gay friends who were not into anal stimulation either. There was no doubt mind you that they were openly and avowedly gay, it's simply that, in their words..".the anal thing...isn't our thing!". Again, the sexual act itself doesn't necessarily define sexuality, it's deeper than that. Needless to say, these guys would have been far more accepting of the knowledge of my use of anal stimulation than say my straight friends.

    Alas, it is the world, as it is presently configured. I guess it's up to us to update the firmware!

    Cheers,


    BF Mayfield
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    [quote=B Mayfield]Before I address the comments of Canadian, I wanted to discuss the post that seems to have got this all going in the first place. In his comments above, Polecat offered his opinions on the get-togethers suggested by Darwin. I'm not really clear from his statement whether he was just offering his own feelings on attending such gatherings or his condemnation. If it was the latter, I would ask him to consider the following. Darwin is a venerable member of this forum who has showered us with the wealth of his experience for many years now. And on the issue of this Men's Club whether or not it is for you, he certainly has every right to give notice of it here. Furthermore, he's gone about this in the right way, realizing that the details of it, are best left for a different place. In addition, he has stated several purposes for entertaining the idea.......

    To Darwin, B Mayfield and all,

    My intention was not to offend or get into a conflict with anybody in this forum. I'm absolutely aware of Darwin's contributions here and have read many of his threads with interest. Perhaps I should have kept my opinions to myself, or at the very least chosen my words more carefully. But what I was really trying to say was kind of like, "I'm not into this, but each to his own". Come to think of it I wish I had said just that! If my post started a controversy with others, I'm terribly sorry. Generally, I want everyone to know that I'm in awe of his product, this website and this community of users.

    Peace to all,

    Paul
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,196
    polecat-

    i am pretty clear that your post meant what you meant it to mean.

    here is what i think: this thread explicitly and implicitly touches on homosexuality and as such it is bound to be controversial. where on the spectrum of homosexuality does having the kind of get together i (and some of the other "straight" guys) envisioned lie? hard to tell. clearly not on the extreme straight side; clearly not on the extreme gay side. i was thinking that since the men (and occasional woman, nikki,) on this forum have ventured into alternative sexual territory that this kind of thing could be fun, interesting, enlightening, scientific and arousing, and could do so without the encumberence of sexual orientation issues.

    i think your post was kind of a reality check, in which you expressed something personal, that you wouldn't like to be in a room with other guys using the aneros, and also something actually very nice, that your interest in sharing the aneros is with your wife.

    in a world of my creation i would have it that aneros users could explore getting together without it being a tryst.

    but, from the content of this thread, and from the perhaps predictably under-enthusiastic response to the google group, i am seeing the difference between my imaginary world and this one.

    finally, i am thinking that the men's club idea is one that will slowly go away, withering like many another not-the-best idea in a forum; and that this forum, which i think we all agree is pretty spectacular, is just as well without it.

    i think its spirit will live on when we hear from guys that their own concept of their sexuality and what they find themselves thinking about when under the influence of the aneros has been expanded into territory they didn't expect at the outset, whatever that may be.

    darwin
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,488
    darwin and everyone on this thread, your post above is touching in its exposure of the essential innocence that the aneros practice, KSMO and some of the other "special erotics" explorations growing around nuclei like this Forum and the related internet communities.

    I have been on another site we might call a "general erotics" site where a mixed group of large numbers and churn rate, diverse in age and orientations, have battled over many of the conventions that divide and wound people over sex issues. While doing that, including sharing the story of Aneros, and testing responses to heterosexual male anal practices, coming back here to this site has seemed like a refuge of sanity and civility.

    That is what allows us to feel comfortable enough to be far more open and honest with each other here than many strangers could ever hope to be so soon and so genuinely. I hope we do not lose either that or the innocence that led you to suggest the Aneros Mens Club because there was a hope and something real and valuable in the idea or your ideal that led you to it.

    Human sexuality is a 24/365 deal unlike most species limited by estrus. Human males have a non-retracting penis for a purpose or purposes. Human males have a prostate and all of the sensory/reactive nervous system of the perineum, anus, rectum, skin, brain(s, head and gut) etc. etc. beyond the apparent primary function, for reasons. Could it be that this part of something that is both a personal transcendental development and a centre of our erotic enfleshedness becoming one of our greatest artforms?

    all the best to all

    artform
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,265
    darwin,

    Man, you have a big, loving, compassionate heart, God Bless You for that! With an insatiable appetite for expanding your life's experiential knowledge and a willingness to share it with others despite the flack flying past your ears, I salute you! I think your idea for the group certainly has merit, based upon being open to all sexual persuasions, it could definitely be a consciousness raising endeavor. I do agree with you that this Forum "...is pretty spectacular" and is expanding users experiences in our cyber space connections.

    In my lifetime I have seen the pendulum of social mores swing from the "uptight-ass" conservativism of the 1950's through the "swinging, anything goes" of the 1960's back through the present day "politically correct, right-wing activism". I think your idea is sound, just that the timing is off, the pendulum, however, is starting to swing back! :lol: Unfortunately it may be several years before the culture can re-embrace such groups without attaching negative sterotypes to them. :twisted:

    You really tripped me back to 'John Lennon's song, Imagine, which is just as relevant today as when he wrote it, when you mentioned "...my imaginary world..." in your post. You are indeed a beautiful dreamer, as was John. I hope that your statement : "I think its spirit will live on when we hear from guys that their own concept of their sexuality and what they find themselves thinking about when under the influence of the aneros has been expanded into territory they didn't expect at the outset, whatever that may be." proves to be prophetic . I guess we'll just have to live with "Changin' America...one bedroom at a time" as 'B.F. Mayfield' stated in his post for now.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,196
    guys, particularly canadian-

    please don't take what i wrote as a condemnation of what anybody wrote on this thread. and also please don't take it as a plea for approval.

    i really meant what i said which is just that judging from the responses on this thread and at the google group (except for a recent flurry from the ever lustful hitachi), i am just not persuaded that this idea is either going to take off or is in real harmony w/ the aneros forum. this is a conclusion that would have made itself apparent sooner or later, so, in this case sooner is just fine.

    so i say... who cares about this whole business, let the super-Os resume!

    darwin
  • hlaser99hlaser99
    Posts: 785
    Amen, Brother Darwin!

    Nuff Said!!!

    Let's Move Forward . . .

    Hlaser
  • Goddess
    Posts: 7
    canadian said:



    Why would anyone want to join a group of men who cannot accept there bisexuality? Lets be VERY honest here OK. Anyone who gets off putting something in there anus to get off has to be at least a somewhat bi. 80% on this forum swear to be straight, the biggest lie on any forum I have ever been on is here.

    Most of you make me feel sorry for you, that you can post & profess you are straight to EVEN convince your very lost mind that you are straight. putting an aneros inside your anus is the start of what you want. Be honest with yourself, accept yourself & mostly stop makeing a fool of yoursel in public. Then I too will respect you as you show respect for yourself. This post is to all of you not just 1 person & it is meant to help anyone confused. Its with careing I post this.



    Sorry, you are dead wrong. My husband and I use the Aneros to have the best STRAIGHT sex we have ever had. He uses it 30 minutes before we have sex, and he's harder and has the biggest ejaculations inside me from it. Sometimes he leaves it in all night, and he's HUGE in the morning and goes after me again.

    I think anything that gives someone pleasure like this is fine, and it has nothing to do with whether you are gay, straight or bi. I think of men who use this device as "englightened."
  • I just signed up for the Aneros Men's Club Google Group. I'm [email]jrcfbch@gmail.com[/email] and equalityboy81 but I check most of my email and chat most on my Yahoo: [email]jrcfbch@yahoo.com[/email].
  • Polecat said:

    I've been a user for about 3 months now and have been making some good progress. No Super O's, but some amazing sensations.

    Being heterosexual myself, I don't think I would enjoy getting together with other guys for this experience. That just doesn't sound cool to me at all. For me, it all about exploring new sensations that I can bring into my relationship with my wife. So far it's been about 50-50. Half the time alone and half with her.

    I would imagine that if one is gay, gay curious or bisexual, it's a different story. In that case, this kind of trysting would likely form the basis of relationships!



    As I suspected you've certainly made your point clear that you are heterosexual.
  • Polecat said:

    [quote=B Mayfield]Before I address the comments of Canadian, I wanted to discuss the post that seems to have got this all going in the first place. In his comments above, Polecat offered his opinions on the get-togethers suggested by Darwin. I'm not really clear from his statement whether he was just offering his own feelings on attending such gatherings or his condemnation. If it was the latter, I would ask him to consider the following. Darwin is a venerable member of this forum who has showered us with the wealth of his experience for many years now. And on the issue of this Men's Club whether or not it is for you, he certainly has every right to give notice of it here. Furthermore, he's gone about this in the right way, realizing that the details of it, are best left for a different place. In addition, he has stated several purposes for entertaining the idea.......



    To Darwin, B Mayfield and all,

    My intention was not to offend or get into a conflict with anybody in this forum. I'm absolutely aware of Darwin's contributions here and have read many of his threads with interest. Perhaps I should have kept my opinions to myself, or at the very least chosen my words more carefully. But what I was really trying to say was kind of like, "I'm not into this, but each to his own". Come to think of it I wish I had said just that! If my post started a controversy with others, I'm terribly sorry. Generally, I want everyone to know that I'm in awe of his product, this website and this community of users.

    Peace to all,

    Paul


    Yes sometimes it's best for all of us to keep our opinions to ourselves.