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Support for scientific research
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,253
    'artform', Guys and Gals,

    'artform' asked "Should we be organizing through this community to push for funding for more research in this whole area of positive health and development enhancements? Through the Super-O Society rumel and company?" in a recent thread. I think there is the possibility for such influence to occur but it would need to be organized and funded.

    Currently the Super O Society exists solely in the minds of this readership of which we are all members. There is no formal organization and no source of funding to promote any activity at this time. I think creating a non-profit organization with an actual membership base would be a first step to establishing a legitimate basis for promulgating scientific research into this phenomenon. However, funding for these types of studies is problematic.

    I personally am working on developing some products for sale with Super O Society logo themes as a business venture with my intention of dedicating a portion of the profits to prostate cancer research. I would not be opposed to also spending a portion on further study of the Super O experience.

    Last year, I contacted the Kinsey Institute regarding any research they had on this phenomenon and/or whether they planned any research. I was informed that nothing had or was planned to be done in this area of interest and they weren't even familiar with the term "Super-O". Obviously this phenomenon is not nearly as common as we here on the Forum think it is. I think as more men come to experience this unique form of orgasm, interest will build, but it is hard to predict when a critical mass will be reached to spur the commitment of people to spend their money on such research.

    Perhaps we have some attorney's in our membership who would be willing to volunteer their expertise in crafting the legal documents necessary to first establish the Super O Society as a non-profit organization.
  • Fuzzy
    Posts: 99
    I would be surprised if anyone who wasn't already familiar with this website knew and understood the term "Super-O".
    Mainstream media is still a long way behind in matters of sexuality and eroticism.
    Working in a petrol station, I get to read a lot of mens and womens magazines, and while multiple orgasms are sometimes mentioned for women, there still seems to be a general perception that women don't expect to even have an orgasm every time that they have a sexual encounter or experience.
    Multiple orgasms for men are absolutely un-heard of in the publications I'm familiar with.
    Techniques such as edging are about the limit of what might be considered "The next big thing", or "Sex-secrets to spice up your love life".

    While research is a very important area to be promoted, I think that social awareness is a big one too.
    We need to work towards getting the concept that men can have multi-orgasmic experiences into the mainstream media.
    I can imagine the Super O Society working in an awareness raising capacity as well as driving reasearch.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,473
    Thank you so much Rumel for addressing this issue now!

    I will bring together the issues and facts and studies here in this thread that may serve as a helpful basis for thinking this through further and organizing.

    I have experience in setting up and incorporating several not-for-profit organizations, at both the federal and provincial levels, and their strategic planning and implementation. But that is here in Canada. So, I would volunteer to help with a Canadian branch or affiliate, if anyone else in Canada is interested. Rumel, you have earlier indicated that KSMO members are also SOS members and with Jack now located in Canada (BC) as well as your northwest, that too may help the Canadian impetus.

    With the bulk of members here and at KSMO apparently residing in the USA, the formation of a national or the planetary scale organization should/would take place there. I hope others in other countries represented here may also be able to form a critical mass of early enthusiasts and form a branch or affiliated organization.

    Thanks very much again for setting this out this way!

    all the best all

    artform
  • MartyB
    Posts: 80
    I was going to post this information, and probably will, in its own thread with more information. It doesn't belong here, but Fuzzy's comment struck me odd and I had to.

    Fuzzy said:

    ...
    Mainstream media is still a long way behind in matters of sexuality and eroticism.
    Working in a petrol station, I get to read a lot of mens and womens magazines, and while multiple orgasms are sometimes mentioned for women, there still seems to be a general perception that women don't expect to even have an orgasm every time that they have a sexual encounter or experience.
    ...

    Funny you should say that. Four hours ago, I asked my GF that very question: Do you expect an orgasm? She said, "No, I don't expect it because there are times I don't have one."

    Here is why she, and us men as well, need to answer it the same way. The Super-O process is related to levels of dopamine in the brain. When you get a reward that is greater than you expected, "phasic responses of dopamine neurons are observed". What that means exactly I haven't figured out, but I'm guessing it's a good thing that either increases dopamine levels or increases our sensitivity to existing dopamine. Bottom line, the brain wants to encourage you to do things that yield the greatest rewards.

    If you enter into a session thinking you will feel pleasure, when you do, it isn't a surprise and no dopamine bonus.

    If you are not expecting an orgasm, when it starts to happen, you are getting a reward greater than you expected; the brain gives you a dopamine bonus, causing more surprising pleasure, and you get the cascading point here.

    Enjoy the surprises in the journey,
    Marty
  • RTGoose
    Posts: 30
    artform said:

    Thank you so much Rumel for addressing this issue now!

    I will bring together the issues and facts and studies here in this thread that may serve as a helpful basis for thinking this through further and organizing.

    I have experience in setting up and incorporating several not-for-profit organizations, at both the federal and provincial levels, and their strategic planning and implementation. But that is here in Canada. So, I would volunteer to help with a Canadian branch or affiliate, if anyone else in Canada is interested. Rumel, you have earlier indicated that KSMO members are also SOS members and with Jack now located in Canada (BC) as well as your northwest, that too may help the Canadian impetus.



    I'd be happy to help with Canada too.

    This is something I've actually thought about as well (not in terms of any planning -- just in terms of how such an incredible thing can be essentially unknown). I think a great deal of the problem is that it seems unbelievable; it goes against almost everything we are taught as men (we try to delay orgasm and withhold pleasure: think about baseball, desensitizing creams and so forth) -- anything "multiple" or hard to attain is the domain of women. I admit when I first heard about this I thought "these people are all crazy -- this isn't real -- this is hippy new-age spirituality BS."

    Having something scientific would help a great deal in helping people understand that it is real. Not to mention some research would help US to in terms of developing a better understanding of correct methods, procedures, safety issues and so forth. I think it's a great idea!
  • Anon17564
    Posts: 57
    This might be the sort of thing that's in the company producing Aneros' interests to see undertaken. They no doubt have the funding and some kind of scientific experience to pioneer such research - after all, they continue to make new models intended to improve the experience. Just a thought.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    Product concept to finance all this:

    Design an Aneros to interface with Ninentendo Wii. Initial design with two-axis rate sensing. Add a Z-axis sensor in a follow-on product.

    Wireless interface by J4,

    Equations of motion, modeling and transfer function specs by AW.

    Marketing by rumel, demos by Darwin.

    Port it to X-box and PlayStation.

    Then add networking to support the Full-Moon club.

    Just the thing for Toys-R-Us (well, maybe that's a bit too advanced).
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,253
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    newbie2009,

    That's a cool idea, an approach that could be posted to the Ideas for Spreading the Word... thread. It certainly adds a whole new dimension to the “joy stick” game controller concept. :lol:
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    rumel said:



    Last year, I contacted the Kinsey Institute regarding any research they had on this phenomenon and/or whether they planned any research. I was informed that nothing had or was planned to be done in this area of interest and they weren't even familiar with the term "Super-O". Obviously this phenomenon is not nearly as common as we here on the Forum think it is. I think as more men come to experience this unique form of orgasm, interest will build, but it is hard to predict when a critical mass will be reached to spur the commitment of people to spend their money on such research.



    I don't know guys, it seems to me that this is the key. The Kinsey Institute says right on their website that it is dedicated to "passionate research" and "inspiring awareness"....... They are all set up already to do this kind of research and they seem to do it pretty well. Maybe a few more inquiries from our group might be all that is needed to inspire them to put more efforts and resources in this direction. If they do not know what a Super O is, they are certainly behind the times in my book.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    I tend to agree with Buster. I think there's a lot to be gained in the bio-psychology arena and Kinsey has been the pre-eminent leader. However, I'd keep an eye open for any BigPharma grants to Kinsey that overlap MMO research.

    (I'm a follower of Jack Welch...the, "work to destroy your own business guy").

    There's some formidable competition in our pop-a-pill society.

    Consider a small kit that you pick up at the corner pharmacy. It contains a cartridge of nasal spray and several trans-dermal patches. One patch on the back of your balls, another on the base of your spine. Then a shot of nasal spray at three-hour intervals. MMOs for the whole weekend. Market this as an antidote for the adverse sexual side effects from other meds.

    Some of the money is on the sidelines for this sort of thing -- it's lurking in the Pharma houses that have trouble maintaining compliance in patients taking SSRI's, MAOI's, Tri-cyclics.and other psycho active meds. Those guys aren't accepting of the libido hit.

    FDA has been adverse to anything that smacks of a recreational enhancement of libido -- witness the quick burial of PT-141/Melanotan. The indicator of change may be the emergence of advertising that touts Bupropion as having fewer sexual side effects than other families of mood meds.

    A change in Bupropion advertising might be a precursor to a sea-change in FDA policy.

    Links to some old research: http://www.aneros.com/forum/placeholder-oxytocin-t4409.html

    For rumel: Is there a better way to maintain/edit/update reference stuff like that in a library on this server? Is the group feature of the software available on this server? If so, it might do well to have both front and back channels for threads on this topic.
  • J4J4
    Posts: 124
    Of course I am honored to be mentioned in this research thread. Though I think it is probably not feasible (unless I volunteered to be a research subject!). I have an extensive background in industrial engineering providing detailed historical trending and analysis of multiple analog inputs (variables such as pressure, temperature and frequency over time). However, this research pursuit far outstrips my capabilities.

    I think the research will best be served by MRI style technology that maps such things as traditional orgasm based nerve impulses (pudendal nerve only?) and aneros orgasm based nerve impulses (vagus nerve?).

    Attached is an internet article that quotes: “The role of the vagus nerve in orgasms is a new discovery and there's still much that's unknown about it; until recently, researchers didn't know that it passed through the pelvic region at all.”

    http://health.howstuffworks.com/brain-during-orgasm1.htm

    The recent exchange I had with MartyB about measuring human frequency enlightened me more to how little I knew and how intricate the play of our bodies at work.

    As an interesting side note, I queried “Aneros Support” as to their research direction some time ago. The response I got was that Aneros, AKA High Island Health had their research dollars going to hemorrhoid studies to get the Peridise model approved for hemorrhoid relief. I would have to believe that “that’s were the money is”.

    In addition to that, my internet searching has come up with a plethora of orgasm studies aimed at women. Even the Kinsey Institute website under their research volunteer opportunities is only looking for women. Men don’t have as many problems with orgasm, and if they do, we already have Viagra. But what’s the use of having a perpetual 25 year old dick if no woman wants it. Hence, there’s going to be money in women’s research.

    Now if we could come up with a model where we knew the aneros was massaging the pudendal nerve (connected through the nerves in the spine) with one motion and the vagus nerve (bypasses the spine and connects directly to the brainstem) with a different motion then we’d be able to start charting some things. Which nerve (pudendal) does the kegels massage. Is rewiring really about crossing nerve impulses along different nerve paths? Nipple stim produces pleasure, but it doesn’t go to either of these nerves!

    And there seems to be a critical difference somewhere in our brain as it relates to “pleasure” or “reward”. In certain drug addictions, more and more of the drug is needed to produce the same euphoric results due to the dopamine tolerance build up with a subsequent loss of energy and onset of depression. This does not seem to hold true (indeed the opposite) for aneros induced euphoria – why? In the case of drugs that don’t induce increased usage due to tolerance issues they still generally suck the life out of you. What are the long term effects of hundreds and hundreds of hours of orgasm?

    I know some forum members bought into a battery operated, charge producing, prostate stimulator a while ago. What kind of rewiring is this device facilitating? Who has continued using this device for months now with what results?

    It also seems intuitive that KSMO stimulates the vagus nerve through the larynx and stomach. Is their any KSMO research on why this approach works?

    There is an existing Vagus Nerve Stimulator that is medically used to control epilepsy AND improve depression. (Yet aneros use causes uncontrolled muscle spasms!)

    That about sums up my questions for the day. (I decided to stop short of asking if this product could cure Alzheimer’s or help prevent stroke).

    J4
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,473
    Bump for further discussion possibly resulting form more recent threads. :wink:

    More information shortly...

    Have messaged RTGoose about getting going in Canuckland...

    mighty oaks from little acorns may grow

    artform