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  • I'm not following. How is this guy a fraud?
  • Pan
    Posts: 249

    I'm not following. How is this guy a fraud?



    Did you check out the link johntrevy posted above?

    http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2008/09/22/ideagasms-melt-down-stephanes-lies-revealed/

    It's not proof, but it's certainly compelling enough to warrant further investigation.

    The only thing I can personally verify as being fraudulent is in the full version of the video. I feel confident in saying that anyone who is certified in massage therapy can see that the techniques he's demonstrating are potentially very harmful, especially if practiced frequently over time, and exactly what every massage school tells their students NOT to do. His suggestions that pain and bruising are a normal part of the massage process are particularly disturbing and totally inaccurate. But he's teaching them with an air of knowledge and authority. In my book, that makes him a fraud, and a dangerous one at that.

    As for the rest of his instructions, it's all common sense (and common knowledge) advice that can be found for free on The Net - the hand technique has been around longer than he has. Grapeseed oil is indeed an excellent lubricant for this technique. Having some electrolyte replenishment nearby (bananas, sports drinks, etc) is always a good idea. And his use of NLP anchoring is well-demonstrated. It's all information worth knowing, and he combines it into one convenient package. But the only original material in the whole video are his bogus massage techniques and advice which should avoided at all costs.

    Pan
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    The allegations, if true, are very disturbing, yet given all that we hear about these days not terribly surprising. And here it was I was thinking that this guy was only into Tantra videos! Seems like he's got a whole cottage industry going! If this is really what he's up to, it's pretty sad....sad that people are taken in by this kind of tripe. But where there is an absence of self-esteem, there is inevitably a vacuum. Such a void leaves the mind open and vulnerable to manipulation. Manipulators are always employing some kind of bait to lure the more unenlightened among us. That said, employing mystical techniques for scoring with women....strikes me as a particularly pathetic modus operandi.

    With respect to Stephane's massage technique, I too had serious questions about his statement that bruising and pain were normal parts of the process. I've had many different types of massage over the years, and while some produced discomfort at times (as in the case of deep tissue massage) I must say that I never experienced any bruising and was never advised of it either.

    It's been some time since I've seen these videos. By my recollection, there was a video series that pre-dated Stephane's......the White Tiger Tantra Sensual Awakenings series presented by Steve de Amore( lol). It's interesting, because if I remember it correctly Stephane appeared in this video as a peripheral player. I presume that Stephane went out on his own after his stint with the Sensual Awakenings folks, creating his own video. So when Pan mentions that the hand technique has been around longer than he has.... that is most certainly the case. (To be sure, it's been around longer than Steve de Amore as well )

    BF Mayfield
  • thecritta
    Posts: 154
    i have seen a few video's with females using the rabbit vibrators, i have seen a lesbian porno
    with two girls a blonde and a brunette they eat each other out then use a rabbit vibe on each other
    the blonde is hardly orgasmic at all, but when it is the brunette's turn she is super multiple orgasmic
    and starts screaming after about four minutes with the blonde using the rabbit on her when the blonde pulls it out she cant even touch her own pussy because it's so sensitive. :D :twisted:

    Buy unfortunately it looks like this guy is a complete fraudster manipulator oh well
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    [quote=B Mayfield]The allegations, if true, are very disturbing, yet given all that we hear about these days not terribly surprising. And here it was I was thinking that this guy was only into Tantra videos! Seems like he's got a whole cottage industry going! If this is really what he's up to, it's pretty sad....sad that people are taken in by this kind of tripe. But where there is an absence of self-esteem, there is inevitably a vacuum. Such a void leaves the mind open and vulnerable to manipulation. Manipulators are always employing some kind of bait to lure the more unenlightened among us. That said, employing mystical techniques for scoring with women....strikes me as a particularly pathetic modus operandi.

    With respect to Stephane's massage technique, I too had serious questions about his statement that bruising and pain were normal parts of the process. I've had many different types of massage over the years, and while some produced discomfort at times (as in the case of deep tissue massage) I must say that I never experienced any bruising and was never advised of it either.

    It's been some time since I've seen these videos. By my recollection, there was a video series that pre-dated Stephane's......the White Tiger Tantra Sensual Awakenings series presented by Steve de Amore( lol). It's interesting, because if I remember it correctly Stephane appeared in this video as a peripheral player. I presume that Stephane went out on his own after his stint with the Sensual Awakenings folks, creating his own video. So when Pan mentions that the hand technique has been around longer than he has.... that is most certainly the case. (To be sure, it's been around longer than Steve de Amore as well )

    BF Mayfield




    Again, I have no way of knowing whether any of this is true and frankly I probably won't stay awake in bed at night thinking about it. But if these accounts are accurate, it's just another story of a flawed guy feeling empowered by a little knowledge that eventually uses what he's learned to exploit others. It's a tale as old as time.

    BF Mayfield
  • Has anyone listened to the GTP by stephane?

    It's actually pretty good. There are parts that I wouldn't use, as with anything, but I definitely learned a lot from it.

    I don't think he's a total fraud POS like the article makes him out to be. Going a little crazy yeah, maybe, but some of the stuff he's taught has been quite good.

    You can download the GTP (girlfriend training program) on bit torrent.
  • Has anyone listened to the GTP by stephane?

    It's actually pretty good. There are parts that I wouldn't use, as with anything, but I definitely learned a lot from it.

    I don't think he's a total fraud POS like the article makes him out to be. Going a little crazy yeah, maybe, but some of the stuff he's taught has been quite good.

    You can download the GTP (girlfriend training program) on bit torrent.




    Buttmaster-

    Can you give a short summary of what the GTP is?
  • johntrevy
    Posts: 221
    What worries me is why would someone name a video "Girlfriend training program". If i was a woman, i would be very offended by the very title. Every time i think of the title, i think of sentances like.....

    "here woman"

    "sit woman"

    "bad/good woman"

    "open wide woman"

    Women are not dogs you can train. Women have feelings which is somthing that Stephane dosent understand.

    Yes, the squirting is sexy as hell, but the guy........the guy...........ewwwkkkkkkkkk.
  • Sirius
    Posts: 11
    John Trevy,
    Good for you. You help redeem our gender. I too feel mortified by this thread. Our own pleasure doesn't need to come at the expense of the dignity or safety of the women we love.
  • OH!!
    Posts: 260
    I saw the short vid. Pretty inspiring orgasms from the lady. They appear mostly genuine to me. Does his G spot technique (not the rest of the massage crap) work? Has anyone tried it on their women? What were the results?

  • Buttmaster-

    Can you give a short summary of what the GTP is?



    Absolutely!
    It's several hours long of audio recordings but I'll try to sum it up.
    It's about having standards for yourself and the steering wheel in your hand. i.e. instead of looking for someone to love you and give meaning to your life, you need to have your "mission" figured out firmly before embarking on a relationship.
    Your relationship is like a business where you are the president, your g/f is the vice president. You will reference her for input and her opinion is very valid and important but the decision ultimately comes down to you. (not about the relationship per say but about your life. If she disagrees on something you believe about the relationship then you guys disagree and need to find different partners)
    You are the oak tree and she is the water, she's nurturing and fluid. She fills in the gaps, this is why he speculates that most (if not all, it's just that some can't be open enough with themselves to embrace it) women are bisexual. Water can mix with other water but two oak trees don't mix with each other.
    You other guys are openly repelled by the name of the GTP but Stephane never EVER said to train a girl that doesn't want to be trained. It's only about conveying to her the things that you deem significant. i.e. You're lingerie shopping with your gf and you ask her to try some cute little outfit on, she gives the typical, "I don't want to, I don't feel comfortable. I'm too fat, etc,etc" He says what he'd do is take her to the nearest mirror and say (not because it's a line but because this is what he believes) "Look at yourself! Your body was made to be a perfect match for your soul. Everytime you reject your body you're rejecting every cell in your body and indirectly rejecting your soul. It's only down hill from here, if you can't accept your body now, how can you ever accept your body?" "Now look at your body and apologize to it and tell your body that you love it."
    ^This is a typical part of "training" what's so bad about that?!?^
    And the woman is free to disagree, "No, I dont' like my body and I don't want to love it."
    "Okay, that's alright but those aren't the frequencies I want to keep close." and you guys break up. It's not about controlling the woman, it's about knowing what kind of woman you want, making it clear what you want, helping the woman get there, and if she doesn't want to that's cool, you're not compatible.
    The GTP is all about developing a trusting guiding relationship with your gf and teaching her how to better love herself. Because a girl that has self esteem problems i.e. doesn't love herself can not be trusted. I don't care if people argue this, I've seen it as true in my life over an over.
    From steph, "The more a girl fully loves herself the more she's going to love you anyway so it all works out."
    I agree that if that article is true then Steph needs some serious counceling but he's got a lot of good stuff especially from his earlier products.

    I had my ex girlfriend listen to some of it on a road trip and she really liked it because he took charge but in a way that takes care of his gf, it's all about making both of them better and carrying out his purpose. It's not being the gf's servant though, it's about taking care of her like a leader would. Too many guys end up busting their hump trying to serve their woman and what happens? The woman looses interest and leaves because the guy doesn't have a greater purpose than the woman he's with. The woman WANTS you to have a greater purpose so that she can be nurturing and help you with your purpose.

    Anyway, this ended up being a lot longer than I had planned. If you guys have any more questions I can most likely answer them as I've listened to the GTP multiple times and watched the entire squirt DVD numerous times and the Chakra program he has once. That's cause I don't really believe in chakras and he uses a crystal to test their openeness which I think is complete bologne (although I don't doubt that he believes it)
  • [quote=OH!!]I saw the short vid. Pretty inspiring orgasms from the lady. They appear mostly genuine to me. Does his G spot technique (not the rest of the massage crap) work? Has anyone tried it on their women? What were the results?

    The women I've tried it on have varying degrees of enjoyment. A couple didn't seem to respond at all and a couple LOVED it. I think like all things sexual, it's not "one size fits all" so to speak. Try it, if she doesn't like it try something else.

    I really like his thing about massages before hand though. It's been made clear by previous posts that the massages he demonstrates could be harmful but just regular massage. It really helps both of you relax, open up, and feel intimate before doing anything which is really important, especially for the lady.
  • John Trevy,

    Sexual attraction is based on polarities (like everything) the yin and yang, dominant and submissive, master and teacher, masculine and feminine.

    I know in this age we tense up when we hear anything that suggests we aren't completely the same. But WE AREN'T. Women are attracted to us because we're strong, lean, we are analytical and get shit done, we can LEAD.

    The GTP is all about leading. If you don't want to lead in your relationships then the GTP is not for you. Some girls actually like being the leader and the guy is the follower, he acknowleges this. He's not saying the man has to be the leader. It's just that in most relationships one is more the leader, and that is typically the male. If you would like to lead, his program shows how.

    Your girlfriend isn't a disabled cow that doesn't have a choice. She chooses which leader she wants to nurture and love. Stephane shows how to be the leader you want to be. If she doesn't like it, awesome, let's split now so we can continue persuing our own dreams sooner.

    Infact he says if your girlfriend says, "Maybe we shouldn't be together.... I wonder what it would be like to date other people, etc" Instead of crying to her, "No, we're so good together! I love you! Please, etc, etc." Which I've seen this SO many times, it might smooth things over for a week or two and then you go through these bouts (sp?) back and forth as she slowly works herself away from you. (because you're showing that you don't have a higher purpose, she is your purpose and this scares women, they don't want to lead! they want someone strong to be able to lead that they can nurture!)
    Instead he says to honor it. Say, "Okay, here's $50 go find someone as good as me and take them out on a date. Best of luck." and boot her. She will realize that you're strong and have your shit figured out and you don't want a woman that isn't sure about you, you don't want a woman that is thinking about other guys. This usually results in her back pedalling and realizing that she doesn't want to leave. If instead she says okay and leaves, GREAT! You can move on faster to someone that fully appreciates you and actually really wants to be with you.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    Buttmasterflex,

    “Sexual attraction is based on polarities (like everything) the yin and yang, dominant and submissive, master and teacher, masculine and feminine.”

    Master and teacher polar opposite? Do you really believe that?
    Where does the student fit in?

    Masculine and feminine …where does the hermaphrodite fit in?

    Is everything just black and white to you? What happened to the wondrous spectrum of colors between the light and the darkness, where we really live?

    I believe human relationships are far more complex than the oversimplified philosophy being expressed in the ‘Girl Training Program’

    If it is true that Ghita left Stephane Hemon, that alone would indicate his philosophy is not credible, he obviously didn't have the leadership qualities to keep his flock intact.
  • Pan
    Posts: 249
    Hey, how bout a new poll!

    Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus:

    A. True
    B. False
    C. Put down the bong!
    D. (Avoid eye contact and back away slowly...) :shock:
  • Rumel, using your logic. My dad doesn't know how to love a woman correctly because my mom left him years ago.

    Stephane never said that he would pick a girl and then train her forever. He didn't say, "Hey guys, watch I can keep Ghita here forever!"

    He said that he knows his life purpose and Ghita was going along with him.

    Hermaphodites? come on. I didn't say it's based on masuline and feminine BODIES. It's masculine and feminine energies. A hermaphodite can still have a feminine or masculine energy and their partner can have the opposite.

    I can't believe you're trying to argue this, I mean look as lesbians! They are both feminine right? WRONG, one is the butch and the other is the girl. People are attracted to the polar opposites. You know it, I don't know why you're trying to argue this.

    Where is room for the student? Learning! lol

    Do you think that when we had to hunt for food we both hunted equally? Are we both made to raise a child equally? Did you nurse your children?

    "Is everything black and white to you? What happened to the wondrous spectrum of colors between light and darkness?"
    It's not about black and white, it IS about spectrum. I'm glad you pointed that out. One person isn't black and one white. They're in a spectrum, one being darker and one being lighter. If both people were the identical shade of green do you think there'd be much chemistry or attraction?
  • oh, and sorry. I didn't mean master and teacher. I meant master and student lol. That's where the student fits in :D
  • PolecatPolecat
    Posts: 56
    Stephan HEMAN
    HE Big Man
    HE Oak Tree
    HE need water
    make HIM grow
    HE learn from Big White Cat
    make water from little flower.....


    Sorry guys, I just couldn't resist! It seems like this guy has some insights into the relationships between men and women. While they are not particularly original, he packaged them in a way that he was able to profit from them. It's a pity that he couldn't put these ideas into effect in his own life. The picture that's emerged of him is of a pretty twisted fellow.

    Omitted from Buttmasterflex's posts on the He-Mon was this whole picking-up women thing which I find pretty creepy. Where does that fit into any kind enlightened perspective? Add to that the idea that he would send his girlfriend out for "recruits" is reminiscent of a whole host of unsavory characters (whom I won't mention). Finally, the way that he's attempting to control the buzz that's out there about him, the banishments etc. is just too weird.

    If Buttmasterflex found something valuable in all of this that's great! After all, he paid for this and I should hope that he would get something out it. But I'm thinking that you could find the same thing at your local bookstore, but without the sick head trip thrown into the mix.




    Paul
  • johntrevy
    Posts: 221
    I am forced to agree with Rumel for the simple fact that, in Stephane's mind everything is Black and white. His statistics of being 15% are of truth and 85% of people are of the lie is TOTALLY RUBBISH, it just shows how little he really knows about people. And hence why i would never buy one of his products. Not to mention his crazy callibration system that makes EVERYONE who disagrees with his views "Below integrity".

    Then you have those of male/female energy in balance (yes they do exist), where do they fit into all of this?

    Heck where do I fit into all of this. Im a guy obviously, but im a bit sensitive and feminine. Does that make me gay then? Last time i ran a self diagnostic most of my thoughts were about women, not guys. Im just not someone who wants to bow down to some rubbish that tells me how i should be with women.

    Yes im single, for basicaly all my life so far(ive had one GF before) . I will probably be single for the rest of my life because im not what girls want. BUT, when i do die, i will die for what i believe in and be proud that i didnt stoop to being somthing im not (if i follow the GTP).
  • johntrevy said:

    Yes im single, for basicaly all my life so far(ive had one GF before) . I will probably be single for the rest of my life because im not what girls want. BUT, when i do die, i will die for what i believe in and be proud that i didnt stoop to being somthing im not (if i follow the GTP).



    lol, PERFECT! You're doing EXACTLY what the GTP teaches!
  • MarkM
    Posts: 33
    Polecat said:

    Stephan HEMAN
    HE Big Man
    HE Oak Tree
    HE need water
    make HIM grow
    HE learn from Big White Cat
    make water from little flower.....


    Sorry guys, I just couldn't resist! It seems like this guy has some insights into the relationships between men and women. While they are not particularly original, he packaged them in a way that he was able to profit from them. It's a pity that he couldn't put these ideas into effect in his own life. The picture that's emerged of him is of a pretty twisted fellow.





    Funny! :D

    With regard to the comments in the blog about Stephane, I have to say that there have always been people like this, and there always will be. Likewise, there will always be those who buy into their agendas. I'm sure that there's some substance to what this guy has to say. But then again, if his behavior is really this out of whack, it would tend to undermine everything positive that he has to offer.

    Mark
  • http://video.xnxx.com/video70937/how_to_make_women_g_spot_orgasm_tutorial

    I think this one's better. The other one gave off a vibe of "Oh wow! Look what I can do!" The couple in this video seem much more intimate, and not just about bringing the woman to orgasm.
  • OH!!
    Posts: 260
    I repeat...does this G spot technique work? Has anyone tried the technique?
  • Matty12232-
    That is Seymore Butts an American adult film director and Alisha Klass, from Female Ejaculation - A Complete Guide

    http://video.xnxx.com/video70937/how_to_make_women_g_spot_orgasm_tutorial

    I think this one's better. The other one gave off a vibe of "Oh wow! Look what I can do!" The couple in this video seem much more intimate, and not just about bringing the woman to orgasm.

  • Pan
    Posts: 249

    http://video.xnxx.com/video70937/how_to_make_women_g_spot_orgasm_tutorial

    I think this one's better. The other one gave off a vibe of "Oh wow! Look what I can do!" The couple in this video seem much more intimate, and not just about bringing the woman to orgasm.



    Excellent demonstration of the technique, nice couple, no ego!

    Thanks Matty!
  • [quote=OH!!]I repeat...does this G spot technique work? Has anyone tried the technique?


    The women I've tried it on have varying degrees of enjoyment. A couple didn't seem to respond at all and a couple LOVED it. I think like all things sexual, it's not "one size fits all" so to speak. Try it, if she doesn't like it try something else.