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Descriptions of "failed" sessions?
  • Hello,

    I've been working with the Aneros for about 4 months now and I'm having zero success although I'm having an interesting time.

    I tried the leg bending technique that was described the other day and ended up nothing more than a sore rectum.

    I was wondering if any of you guys who have gone through this process and experienced the Super-O have done a write-up describing your early sessions that did not result in a dry orgasm? What was happening and what was not happening? How it progressed from the beginning to when you finally achieved it?

    If so could you point me towards it? If not, would you be interested in doing so?
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    I can think of a couple of things off the top of my head that gave me problems, (some of this may be redundant, but I'll just fire them off). Avoid penile contact altogether. Dedicate yourself to generating sensations in a totally different way (without your penis). Don't bother with an Aneros session, unless you have the time (90 to 120 mins undisturbed), and are physically rested. Likewise, don't take a session to the point of exhaustion...it doesn't work and it's not a great motivator for the future. Consider terminating a session with an ejaculation, once you become too tired...and think of it as a reward for time spent. If you become frustrated and can't shake it...stop..just stop and visit the exploration another day. Again, reward yourself with a good ejaculation mediated by the Aneros for your efforts. Do all exploration while you're straight...alcohol and other substances can dull your senses, remember you're going to need to tune in..not out. Make these session that are dedicated to Super O exploration, solo sessions (even well intentioned others are simply too distracting). Forget the notion that you are going to MAKE this happen...the process of finding the Super O is much more of a passive experience, or put another way success has a way of revealing itself in a more passive context. Hey it's a ZEN THING! Again think of it as sensual exploration,..avoid being obsessed with having a Super O. Don't get too hung up on ANY method. Read through instructions and suggestions in this forum carefully, but more or less just keep them in the back of your mind while you're in the midst of your session. The last thing you want to be doing is actually reading some instructions in mid session...yes I did that, it's a total non-starter. Don't hammer yourself with super strong contractions...they're like throwing a boulder into a still pond.... chaotic results. Yes you can feel it initially and it may feel good..but it rarely leads to the Super O. The concept is to generate a pleasure wave and increase it's size gradually through periodic encouragement. Read through my recent post in BEE LINE on arousal.



    B Mayfield
  • Brian,

    Thanks for that great summary. I've actually printed it off and am going to use it as a guide for the next couple of sessions.

    The problem is that you didn't answer my question.

    I'm going to re-frame it.

    Could any of you guys who are willing and who have successfully achieved the Super-O write up 3 memorable sessions that you had that DID NOT work? What was NOT happening? What did you do \"wrong\" in that specific session. How did the session go from beginning to end?

    Thanks for your help.
  • curb
    Posts: 6
    B's reply certainly hits all the stumbling blocks I faced to get there, but for what it's worth, here are the things I found I had to figure out before I could make good progress:

    1- The need for lubrication. When I first started out, I thought just coating the aneros liberally would suffice. Nope, it's gotta be in there beforehand. Only one part of the aneros should be fixed: the abutment tab. Everything else should be free to slip and slide around

    2- Those darn involuntaries. I thought at first they were those twitches you get when a muscle gets tired, so my initial contractions were way too strong. It really only takes a small contraction (after the warm-up) to get them going.

    3- Anal contractions vs. PC contractions. I was doing the latter, which generates anal contractions (at least for me it does), but I think the focus was wrong. When I learned to focus more on the anus, I found the involuntaries came more easily and I was able to maintain them for longer.

    4- Had to give myself time. Once I got to (3), I had to just give myself the time to build up the tension and stop trying too hard to make it happen. So patience is definitely needed.

    Keep at it, it's worth the wait.

    curb
  • Curb,

    Thanks for the info.

    I've been trying to be non-specific in the hopes that a bunch of people would describe their sessions, but your post gets me to the crux of the issue.

    I have never had any kind of involuntary contraction ever. Was there a time when you were in the same situation? Did it take time before you experienced them?
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    Inquisit,

    Forgive me, but the list that I gave (which is a probably a partial one now that I look at it again), was culled from numerous sessions that did go wrong. Over the 9 months that I struggled, there were at least 2 or more of these issues that would ultimately sabotage any given session. Fortunately, I weeded them out as time went on. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that I could give a blow by blow of the actual sessions in which they occurred. An unsuccessful session was made productive by becoming aware of the factor that was problematic and making the necessary changes or adjustments. However, I can give context to a problem factor, if that would be helpful. For instance, there were numerous sessions in which I would introduce the Aneros and start slamming myself right away with hard contractions in hopes of generating the right kinds of sensations. Initially I found these sensations somewhat pleasant, but as I increased the number of contractions, I would notice that the sensations would quickly dissipate. I was left with nothing, no sensations to speak of and certainly no involuntaries. What I learned over time was that continuous salvos of hard contractions can actually decrease sensation from the prostate resulting in a user upping the ante with more and more pressure until ultimately they're manually working the unit in and out. (This is perhaps the only way that people can actually hurt themselves with the Aneros.) Shortly after I went to the other extreme and started experimenting with continous low level anal contractions (what I've called the basal contraction ). As I've said before, generating pleasure from this region of your body is like a dance between anal contractions (basal contraction interspersed with moderate and hard types), rectal contractions, rhythmic breathing and mental focus.

    Staying with the issue of hard contraction, I can remember other sessions where, for whatever reason I managed to get some pretty good involuntaries going. Applying the more is better approach from the penile ejaculatory model I quickly sank all hopes of the Super O when I eagerly introduced a series of intense anal contractions. The involuntaries disappeared as quickly as they began, and I was left in dismay. What did it mean? For starters that a Super O is not generated in the same way as an ejaculation, much subtler means are required. By the way add that to the list: be cautious about applying anything you learned from your years of experience with a traditional ejaculation...chances are it won't work for the Super O!

    Hope this helps. I will try to put something together for you that is more of a narrative at a later time, but know that in all truth that it will probably be more of a composited account at this point.

    B Mayfield
  • FleshJoe
    Posts: 115
    I find that the lubrication issue is very tricky. You have to make the Aneros lubed enough so that it will move freely at the slightest pressure of the rectal and PC muscles. However you want to not over-lube otherwise you get leaks and the perinium tab gets slick and then you lose the leverage. I personally just apply a lot of jell lube to the Aneros, insert, and wipe anything that is exuded. Until my body starts the pleasure climb, I make several checks that the tab is dry. Once I get a lot of pleasure, I don't check anymore (so as not to interrupt anything) and it doesnt seem to matter as much anymore.

    Likewise, the placement of the perinium tab is crucial to get started. I have to have it on just the right spot. Once the pleasure get going, the area where it feels good is much larger.

    Something that kills the sensation in my behind is an erection. If I get a strong erection, it will mask the sensations in my behind. There's not much you can do about avoiding an erection, the pleasure in my behind brings it on, so its my mind's job to integrate the new feelings and keep things rolling along. It's still learning how to do that.

    The involuntary contractions are a *stage* towards the peak, not a goal in and of themselves. Maybe there's ways to get to the peak that do not involve these contractions. What matters is whether you're feeling any sensation inside where the Aneros head should rest against the inside root of your penis. I believe that the contractions are needed for most people since your body's manipulations of the Aneros are much gentler than what most people will do with voluntary contractions. The weaker and smaller movements of the Aneros actually produce a LOT more pleasure for me than what I can produce with voluntary contractions. The involuntary contractions let you be passive and pay attention to whats happening rather than being busy moving the Aneros around and missing the key signals your body is sending to your brain.

    Another point: I'm sure *you* have already tried all the positions in the forum and some that haven't been described here yet, but for other newbies its important to know: if you have been doing something for like five or ten minutes, and you're totally relaxed, not forcing it, and its not happening, CHANGE something. Change your position, or change the level of base contraction you're holding, or change your breathing, or whatever you can think of. Pay close attention to what gets you more feelings and sensations down there, and avoid those things that make these sensations fade. Lather, rinse, repeat :)

    Final point: once you get even the slightest shiver of pleasure, grasp onto that with your mind's eye and try to visualize how that was produced. Where is the head of the Aneros at that time, and what is it touching inside you? What kind of muscle tension are you feeling or applying, and what is your body doing? Try to grab as many details of the feeling as possible, concentrating on where it feels good and blanking out everything else. Close your eyes if you must (I do, all the time), all distractions should be avoided. Once you do that repeatedly, you'll find that you're able to say to yourself, oh that felt good, let me see, ah yeah, I need to let my body do THIS and not THAT. That will shorten your trajectory from start to where you get good feelings going, and will also make the good sensations stronger once you get them started.

    You read right: I said you're getting the sensations started. This is a very passive way to describe whats going on. And its appropriate. You're along for the ride as an observer, this is between your body and the Aneros. Don't force anything to happen but observe and celebrate everything that does happen.

    All of this sounds like a lot of abstract BS to someone who hasnt yet experienced involuntaries. So apologies. But it does work. I was in the latter group in September (two months ago) and I said I have to try this, this sounds so wonderful, lets see what I discover. I havent crossed over yet to the group of people who are able to have a super-O, but the journey so far has been fantastic. And everyone can make that journey.

    Joe
  • Thanks for both of your responses. Lots of good info there.

    I'm playing tomorrow.

    Onward and Upward!

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    Originally Posted By: Inquisit
    Curb,

    Thanks for the info.

    I've been trying to be non-specific in the hopes that a bunch of people would describe their sessions, but your post gets me to the crux of the issue.

    I have never had any kind of involuntary contraction ever. Was there a time when you were in the same situation? Did it take time before you experienced them?


    Inquisit,

    I didn't see your final result in any of your forum posts. And, unfortunately, I didn't see a response in your thread to specifically creating involuntary contractions (although the forum info in general is very good). Did you ever get involuntary contractions? What did it take in terms of your action and how long did it take before you had them after you posted? Thanks for any feedback. This is where I am at the moment....no involuntaries yet.... so I would be interested in any guidance.

    Alacrity
  • mu1ti
    Posts: 61
    I have a small tip which may help you to get involuntary contractions going. Try it at the start of your sessions a few times, I hope it works for you, I admit it's unusual in that the method involves selling yourself the lie that you don't want the aneros to move at all.

    Your goals are
    1. Try not to have any involuntary contractions, twitches or quivers etc.
    2. Fail goal 1

    Start off with no contraction whatsoever, just focus on the aneros and lie to yourself that you don't want it to move at all, your goal here is to relax enough that the aneros stays absolutely still.

    This is not as easy as it sounds and you are very likely to fail(!) :) and obtain contractions!

    If this doesn't happen for you in 10 mins or so switch to convincing yourself that a very small constant contraction will help you to keep the aneros prefectly still. I'm pretty confident a lot of guys will get it moving this way. Cheers, Mu1ti
  • I would not even try for involuntaries. This is something that held me back for a really long time. There is an image associated with involutary, and it is very misleading. I get absolutely nothing out of strong involuntary contractions. I only started to make progress when I realized this and started focusing on what did feel good for me. As it turns out, I do have involuntary contractions, but they roll with the pleasure waves I build, and I only notice them if I pay direct attention to them. Usually that stifles the feeling and I must start over, so I mostly ignore everything but the waves. I see a lot of talk about involutary contractions on this forum, and out of anything I have read, I think my obsession with them held me back the most. You cant force it, just relax and it will force itself on you( and you will not resist for long when it does ;P )
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    Hey Cagliostro,

    I could not agree with you more. How many times have I read a posting where someone explains exactly what they did in order to achieve their Super O only to find that it did not work for me? I have got to tell you, it was more times than I want to admit. Everyone is different and I know that has been said many times before. I have had sessions where I felt almost nothing that I could not believe. I have had my best sessions where I have had ejaculated within the previous 24 hours, or even the same day, so that doesnt have much to do with it for me. That also goes against some peoples idea that the best sessions requires a little "buildup". There is no rhyme or reason for what happens and why. The body is an amazing thing!

    To the hunt, gentlemen!

    Buster

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    Thanks for your replies. As always, the forum support is unusually good. I am finally convinced now to just take it slow, relax, feel the sensations, and enjoy. Thanks again.

  • Originally Posted By: Cagliostro
    I would not even try for involuntaries. This is something that held me back for a really long time. There is an image associated with involutary, and it is very misleading. I get absolutely nothing out of strong involuntary contractions. I only started to make progress when I realized this and started focusing on what did feel good for me. As it turns out, I do have involuntary contractions, but they roll with the pleasure waves I build, and I only notice them if I pay direct attention to them. Usually that stifles the feeling and I must start over, so I mostly ignore everything but the waves. I see a lot of talk about involutary contractions on this forum, and out of anything I have read, I think my obsession with them held me back the most. You cant force it, just relax and it will force itself on you( and you will not resist for long when it does ;P )


    I agree completely, I literally dont do anything, I just sit there with some porn on to get me aroused, then when the sensations start I just shut my eyes and concentrate on the sensations and I am very close to a Super O but the thing that holds me back is when i'm at the point of orgasm my left thigh gets really tight and I have to stop, I cant even remember how I did it but I have all sorts of problems with my left leg, I get cyatica, leg ache and get lower back ache all the time which is a major stumbling block for me and the aneros, I should probably see a doctor about it lol