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Why is this so complicated?
  • Get aroused vs. don't get aroused
    Relax vs. contract
    Keep it in for hours vs. short sessions
    Try vs. do nothing
    Breathe this way, no, breathe that way
    Tingles, pot, lube, soreness, hours-long sessions, rewiring, a GLOSSARY!?!

    Tell me, is it all worth it?

    If you couldn't tell, I'm a bit frustrated - I've been trying this for over two months with very little success. I've probably had 20 "sessions" with no rhyme or reason to why sometimes it feels kind of good and others I don't feel anything special. Do I really need to follow all the conflicting advice here until I achieve something that feels better than the great penile orgasms I can give myself or get from someone else in 1/3rd of the time? I feel like that could take forever and so far this is way less fun than screwing or getting a good blow job.

    Is there anyone else who is stuck and gets hints that something good could happen but is frustrated that it's taking so long? Or anyone who did go the distance and found it worth it? Or not worth it?

    The most I've had are the "tingles" and "heart-beat" sensations in my ass, but that's nothing to write home about to be honest......

    I use Maximus lube, have tried many different amounts. Have tried giving myself a couple weeks break and have tried doing it every other night and have tried doing it two days in a row. Have tried douching, not douching, breathing, not breathing (well...you know), morning, evening, exhausted, excited, porn, no porn, sleeping with it in, 3 days of not jerking off (which is a long time in my books), and on and on. I can't afford trying another model and I don't want to modify the Aneros in case it makes things worse. I'm getting a little tired of sitting on my bed for hours (either trying or not trying) waiting for my prostate to sing. I also find the breathing rhythms and contraction exercises so boring they actually turn me off.

    Does it need to be so complicated? Has anyone had a simple experience that defies some of the complicated advice here?

    Thanks...
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,193
    tickler-

    well said! as an author of a good part of the advice you are so accurately and comically characterizing, i must say i feel your frustration.

    despite everything on this forum i still feel like we're in the dark ages with our lack of understanding of how to consistently make this thing hum. perhaps in 50 years the humanoids then will unearth this forum and guffaw at how much misguided superstitious thinking we all dispensed at each other.

    it remains totally confounding why some guys get it to work effortlessly and some only after much time, and some not yet.

    but the sad truth is that... that is the state of things. i totally appreciate your venting. but ultimately it is like venting about the weather or your health. it is what it is and its up to you make something out of it. the only good news is that despite all the frustration, when it delivers it really delivers.

    i've been doing battle with this muse for 4 years. it giveth and it taketh away.

    you are definitely not alone.

    here's to hoping it giveth to you for a change.

    darwin
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,193
    i should add that the metaphor of being in the dark ages is very apt --we are not equipped to deploy the scientific method.

    if we had a way to line up a bunch of guys across the aneros-responsiveness spectrum and use medical technology to measure anatomical and dynamic differences we might get some traction.

    (perhaps implicit in your critique is the thought that the manufacturer might indeed have such access and ought to feel obligated to do more to solve the problem. i dunno on that...)

    we do have a huge leg up on our medieval counterparts as we have a way to pool the self-discoveries of thousands of men via the miracle of the internet, instead of waiting for small discoveries to accumulate neighbor to father to son over hundreds of years.

    but without comparative observation we're pretty hobbled and it is not likely that the manufacturer is going to step in.

    darwin
  • TripperTripper
    Posts: 250
    Points well taken!

    Some of the difficulty stems from the topic itself being considered by many to be hovering near the taboo area. So, many Aneros users pursue their sessions mostly with a level of anonymity.

    Thank goodness for this forum or else Aneros (HIH) might be out of business. There remains a healthy minority of excellent posters who are sharing with the forum. ... and providing welcome guidance to new users. It also takes a special kind of person to achieve the super "o" then stay on the forum to help others reach the same level of success.

    For the developers of Aneros to provide scientific guidance, they would have to have the quantifiable inputs from many users.....which won't happen soon. There are, though, many more users on the path that read and follow the exellent guidance being given by the successful folks......without necessarily posting on the threads.

    What I think will help is that Brian Mayfield, who is the Aneros guru and long time user, will be putting together a training guide. Yes, there is oodles of information in the 5000 threads on the forum and in the Stickys but pulling out the information in an easily usable form is very difficult for the Aneros noob.

    The other obstacle is that according to the forum, everybody is different so you can never tell which of the recommendations will trigger your own success.

    My own belief is that one of the secrets happens when you feel more than the heart beat and tingling....something special....that usually leads to progress. It is at that point when you say "ahhh, that's what I am supposed to feel" and you have your first clue.

    Trip
  • in my highschool philosophy class we were asked 'if there was a magic box that you could plug yourself into and it would feed you with all of the joys and wonderful emotions of life without you having to do anything but once you tried it you would never want to come off, would you do it?' most people answered something to the effect of 'no, because there is a sacred dignity to life that this box would undermine, not to mention society would cease to function'. i think the aneros that eager consumers expect is more or less the same as this box; it doesnt exist! and thank god! i believe that being born into a consumer society socializes our brains to beleive that anything can be bought and that all joyous/pleasurable experiences are essentially commodities that can and should be packaged and purchased. in reality, you cant really buy anything. all objects are essentially empty and anything we get out of them is a product of our psychological conditioning. is it any wonder that the first individuals who discovered what the aneros can offer were ancient tantras / taoists who would dedicate their entire lives to studying and practicing nature and its concepts? their entire lives! and we think that because we've spent 80 bucks on something that in itself should warrant it satisfying our fantasies. i believe that modern individuals are blind to what the true sources of happyness and joy are. the average goals in life really seek to fuel the ego, which does nothing but cause suffering. happyness comes from without! i think that the aneros provides a valuable opportuniy to acquire some life wisdom and the journey is half the experience. to quote... someone... 'you can do anything, but not everything'... if something is truly worthwhile and can provide a sacred life fulfillment... it will take time.
  • Exactly, i am so glad i went through (and still going through) MY journey. If i had reached Super-O off the bat, it would have been boring and not had the same impact as when it did finally come

    It was the teasing my body, and being let down, then being even more intensely teased that made it worth while for me.

    Going through the "Milestones" was as pleasurable as finally going over the edge.

    there is a nice feeling of sexyness, about having your whole body being teased and masturbated. to quite probably your best ever orgasm.
  • Hi Tickler,

    Good to meet you!

    I am amazed at ALL the Logic and Philosophy of the previous posts! We definitely have some brilliant thinkers and tremendously helpful and dedicated members here in this Forum! (Lucky for us ALL!)

    It seems to me that the road to the Super-O can be both complicated and simple at once! IMHO, the most important element to success here, is to not give up and continue practicing this protocol! (No Matter What!)

    The different strokes for different folks principle applies here and when you hit on the right combination for YOU, the key to the Gate will be yours too and the gate will be opened and you WILL enter and have the correct path to YOUR Journey.

    Your Journey is not over when you obtain Super-O either, it has only begun!

    A good rule of thumb for me has always been: Relax, breath and observe what is happening and it will come to you. I know patience is needed, but our bodies and minds need time to assimilate this awesome and completely new thing in them.

    Pick and choose, like a Chinese menu . . . 1 from column A . . . 2 from column B??? or Try a lite contraction and JUST relax...

    Hope this helps a little!

    Later, Hlaser99
  • tickler said:

    Get aroused vs. don't get aroused
    Relax vs. contract
    Keep it in for hours vs. short sessions
    Try vs. do nothing
    Breathe this way, no, breathe that way
    Tingles, pot, lube, soreness, hours-long sessions, rewiring, a GLOSSARY!?!

    Tell me, is it all worth it?

    If you couldn't tell, I'm a bit frustrated - I've been trying this for over two months with very little success. I've probably had 20 "sessions" with no rhyme or reason to why sometimes it feels kind of good and others I don't feel anything special. Do I really need to follow all the conflicting advice here until I achieve something that feels better than the great penile orgasms I can give myself or get from someone else in 1/3rd of the time? I feel like that could take forever and so far this is way less fun than screwing or getting a good blow job.

    Is there anyone else who is stuck and gets hints that something good could happen but is frustrated that it's taking so long? Or anyone who did go the distance and found it worth it? Or not worth it?

    The most I've had are the "tingles" and "heart-beat" sensations in my ass, but that's nothing to write home about to be honest......

    I use Maximus lube, have tried many different amounts. Have tried giving myself a couple weeks break and have tried doing it every other night and have tried doing it two days in a row. Have tried douching, not douching, breathing, not breathing (well...you know), morning, evening, exhausted, excited, porn, no porn, sleeping with it in, 3 days of not jerking off (which is a long time in my books), and on and on. I can't afford trying another model and I don't want to modify the Aneros in case it makes things worse. I'm getting a little tired of sitting on my bed for hours (either trying or not trying) waiting for my prostate to sing. I also find the breathing rhythms and contraction exercises so boring they actually turn me off.

    Does it need to be so complicated? Has anyone had a simple experience that defies some of the complicated advice here?

    Thanks...



    Wow Bud!
    Man I totally feel what you are dealing with!! I'm kind of new here, have been through all that you describe in your GREAT post. All you say is so true! All I can hope to help you with is the replies you have received here are so true

    I totally believe you're trying to hard. Relax and let IT do the work! I also feel your attitude is a huge factor. If you're P/O'd about spending your money on a blob of plastic granted, you're going nowhere! I'm 58, and have never gotten off from a blow job. Have just always wanted iy in there.

    Do you even like the feeling of something up your ass?

    Bud, I so think you have such a P/O'ed attitude right now that nothing will work for ya. Why can't you just take the TIME, and enjoy the pleasure of something up there?

    I probably haven't helped you much, but I so understand what you are talking about, I'm there also! Everybody here, almost has been through this. Such a learning process!

    If you at all feel that I may help, please feel free to contact me. I am not giving up, and have had some totally positive body experiences! Only one, but so worth it!!

    mosquito
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    Why is this so complicated?

    One of the reasons is that the default setting for the male orgasm is via the traditional route.... ejaculation. Consequently, the subtler pathway is generally obscured. Another factor is the role our society plays. Eastern cultures have discussed this phenomenon for centuries. However, Western cultures, with our taboos, rigid definitions of “masculine” behavior and continuous focus on instant gratification have largely dismissed this kind of experience. This often results in users approaching this endeavor with skepticism and doubt, where openness and optimism are needed.

    For males the multi-orgasmic experience is an alternate pathway that requires time, patience and introspection to tap into. It is not an automatic process which one can engage in for a “quickie” (certainly not for the newbie). However, if you’re a person who is turned on by new experiences and open to personal growth and exploration the journey awaits you!

    The “learning curve” for the Super O varies from one individual to the next. Some people develop this ability immediately while most others will take several weeks to many months to get consistent results. Why isn’t it the same for everybody? The reasons lie in our differences as human beings. We all bring something different to the party. Although there are a few physical factors that may affect your progress, many factors are psychological in origin and involve our attitudes and emotions. Consequently, the time that it takes for you to become Super Orgasmic may largely depend upon your feelings about: accepting change, self-discovery, deferring gratification, and dealing with expectation.


    Explore and enjoy!

    BF Mayfield
  • Enemagra said:

    in my highschool philosophy class we were asked 'if there was a magic box that you could plug yourself into and it would feed you with all of the joys and wonderful emotions of life without you having to do anything but once you tried it you would never want to come off, would you do it?' most people answered something to the effect of 'no, because there is a sacred dignity to life that this box would undermine, not to mention society would cease to function'.


    Well, I've suffered from depression for 23 years, and I most definitely would plug that "magic box" the hell in. I do hope you'll pardon my weakness. Not in touch with my "Zen" and all.
  • thanks for all the responses.

    it sounds like i'm pissed off, but i'm not. just frustrated. i'm not a spiritual person and the idea of going on a "spiritual journey" makes me feel so unaroused it's not funny...so reading post after post of new-age sentiment and convoluted instructions got me wondering if i was the only one approaching this from an angle other than most posts i've read.

    so this is for the guys who are approaching it from more of a "i want to have some fun but not dedicate my life to a deep journey that takes years" angle.

    the biggest conflict for me (and i'm sure for many) is not trying to get to the super-o. if i didn't want to get to it why would i put something up my butt? it is totally counter-intuitive and i couldn't train myself not to have that goal in mind.

    so here's a tip. make it into a daily/every other day/weekly thing (depending on how much you want to do it). make up a schedule and stick with it (as long as you're not hurting yourself). this way it becomes kind of like work, or going to the gym...sometimes i don't feel horny or like i really want to put it in but after a while i'm happy i did. i've already had marked results in the past few days of doing this.

    up till now i had only been putting in the aneros when i was horny or had a couple hours where i could sit on my bed and dedicate myself to it...every time i did that i thought "okay, this could be the time, but don't try to have one" which is ridiculous cause i was sitting on my bed trying to have a super-o.

    so now, when i'm doing housework or reading or watching a movie i put it in and things are starting to happen...when i'm just hanging out around the house with it in and i get a tingle it's like a nice surprise rather than something i had been trying to get.

    anyway, hope that makes sense, hope some guys out there that aren't into tantric journeys get something out of this, and i'll post more if i progress or not.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,253
    Hi tickler,

    I like to think that an Aneros session is somewhat analogous to going on a fishing trip wherein one is desirous of landing a big “O”ne. You have to get all your gear ready and prepared properly before you even begin (rectal rinse, lubing up, etc.). You need to make sure the environmental conditions are conducive to an enjoyable outing (comfortable bed or chair etc.) You need to make sure your technique is appropriate for your intended catch (proper breathing, contractions, etc.) then you need to be patient while waiting for that big fish (the super-O) to bite.. You may not get any bites (a dud session), you may get a lot of nibbles (mini-O’s), you may catch an occasional keeper (a dry-O), you may catch a whole creel full of nice fish (multiple-O’s), you may even catch one of those trophy lunkers (a super-O). In any case if you go fishing expecting any of those above noted events you are likely to experience frustration and disappointment when those expectations are not met. Every fisherman has the desire to catch those big “O”nes, from the youngest fisherman to the oldest, from the novice to the most experienced. We are all pursuing that same elusive prized game fish (a super-O). Even the most proficient and experienced fisherman does not land a lunker on every excursion, they also occasionally get skunked. Over all, the more experienced fisherman do, however, consistently land more and bigger fish (orgasms).

    So why do men keep fishing when there is no guarantee or even certainty for a successful catch?

    I believe it has a great deal to do with the gestalt of fishing itself. There is much more taking place around the activity than is immediately noticed or thought about. Expectations are enjoyment killers in fishing and Aneros sessions. It has nothing to do with “New Age” thinking, nothing to do with Zen thinking or ancient Tantric practices. Trying to catch and land that big “O”, has been a pursuit of man since before recorded time, we are now just lucky enough to have our high-tech gear (Aneros) available to make the fishing trip’s success more likely. As you become more knowledgeable and experienced in the sport you will derive proportionally more pleasure from it as well. Fishing should be fun (so should your Aneros sessions).

    My main point is the process is not so complicated, it is that the whole Aneros experience is mysteriously unpredictable, a technique that catches fish today, may leave you scratching your head in wonderment tomorrow for its lack of effective success, the best you can do is refine your technique and try to learn to "read the waters" for where the big "O"nes are lying in wait, then be ready to gently set the hook and ride that big fish when it does come along.

    I hope you catch a big “O”ne soon, Good Vibes to You ! :lol:
  • thanks rumel,

    but gestalt and analogies no longer have a place in how i use my sex toy.

    i'm enjoying it when i'm using it but approaching it head on now rather than in ways i was not enjoying before (such as long sessions and meditating and so on).

    the thing is that i was feeling bad for not wanting to do those things (meditate, breathing exercises, long sessions) and thinking that i would never get any pleasure out of it if i didn't enjoy those things...but the truth is that i am now enjoying it without having to be someone i'm not.

    those methods weren't right for me, the way i'm doing it now is working much better for me, and hopefully anyone else who was frustrated like i was will see these posts and get something out of it.
  • Hi Tickler and everyone,

    Tickler, when I read this post I thought I could have written it.!

    This is Matt, the guy that wrote up the Do Nothing way of having a Super O. I got impatient a very long time ago with the various disciplines of douching, breathing, contracting etc.

    During the past week (I've been "at this" for about 3 years now) I've come to the same conclusion ... I'm just going to do what ever feels good to my butt, whenever and however it seems right at the moment.

    Here is what happened yesterday.

    I decided to stretch my very tight A Hole while working on the computer. So I sat on a dildo that starts real thin and ends up fatter.

    I did this about an hour and stopped when it didn't feel good any longer.

    Later that night I went to bed and decided to watch some porn with the Maximus in me (I have every model ever made). If I felt like jerking off, I was going to ,,, I got tired of "saving it" for a try at a Super O.

    The Maximus "nudged me" so during the next 75 minutes I came 5 times, 3 times by hand and twice with my Fleshlight STU.

    I then went to sleep with it still in me, because it still felt nice up there. I had absolutely no thoughts that anything was going to happen since I was running on empty. I usually have erotic dreams when I fall asleep with any model in me, so that is all I "hoped for".

    Within an hour I awoke to 2 "Oh My GAWD" full body Super O's from head to toe. BEST EVER since day 1 with my first Aneros.

    Fell asleep again, woke up horny a few hours later and jerked off 2 more times, still coming.

    I do understand the Tantric energies and the various disciplines that go with it. I respect them but after 3 years with this thing, I decided that I was simply going to enjoy what ever my Butt wanted to give me in the way of pleasure.

    So I've branched out to include what others have written about such as the PJOY plug, etc.

    I've totally stopped thinking about chasing a Super O. If the thought occurs to me to walk around for part of the day with a plug up my Butt, I do it. If I get the idea that I would like to loosen up my hole, I do it. If I think a new toy looks like fun I buy it. I no longer worry about how any of this is going to possibly prevent me from getting a Super O.

    I'm having a great time !!!! I credit the Aneros for starting me out on Prostate and Anal Orgasms, but now feel free to do what ever else makes me "super" orgasmic.

    I've never experienced pleasure like this from the thousands of times I've had sex with others.

    I'm totally content that my own body is all I need to reach unbelievable heights of Ecstasy.

    BTW I'm 60.

    Best Wishes to everyone,

    Matt
  • Well I received mine today (helix and mgx). I followed all instructions and the only thing I felt, besides "it" being "up" there was a slight vibration. Almost like a tuning fork. This happened mainly when walking or leaning forward slightly and rotating my hips a bit. Kinda like dancing in place. Again, this is a first time, so I will be trying again.
  • msd
    Posts: 4
    I haven't been able to achieve satisfaction without manipulating the Eupho myself. I must say though, that I have never been more excited and aroused when doing so. I have had some unbelievable orgasms when simply maneuvering the Eupho ever so gently over the prostate as I squeeze and gently masturbate. I believe that I would probably have an orgasm without masturbating but, am too anxious.

    It took some time but have figured it out for myself. I think that is ultimately the deal, you must figure it out for yourself, and you will if you have patience. An empty bowel is preferred too. I usually watch some movies after cleaning myself out and the rest is history.

    I wish you well but, don't give up. :D
  • I tried again tonight, tho not as long as the last time. Last nights session was about 2 hours total, alternating between helix and mgx. Tonight I was optimistic, and pretty relaxed but had no success. I have read about what are seen as 3 different muscle groups, but all I seem able to do is pull it into me. I feel pressure inside, but nothing that seems all that pleasurable. Maybe I am pulling it in too hard? I know that I have focussed too much on my sphincter muscles as I was by pulling it into me, and more or less relaxing, then pulling it back in and repeating . I find it easier to pull in, than push out. How long do you try to relax and let things happen before you decide its not gonna happen?
  • Virg
    Posts: 154
    Hi Analnewb,

    Your questions could cover a lot of area and I really relate....

    The length of sessions really vary but I think most users go for 1.5 to 3 hours. I tend to do 2 to 4 hours but have gone as much as 8 hours. It is a matter of (1) having "X" of hours available, (2) how long since your last session, (3) how aroused you are, (4) how long sine your last ejac., and (5) how skilled you are at generating those good feelings and flowing with it for as long as they stick around...

    I do not change models much. I find it VERY distracting and harder to get back to those good sensations. I tend to go the "mediative" route... If I do change models, I go with a bigger model. Btw, I have all but the SGX, as well as, some other manufacturer's models.

    The muscle group thing is critical. I had limited sensation in the beginning. So limited that when I tried the Classic a couple times, I deemed it as a sham and did not touch it for probably a year. I tried again after reading the Forum many months later. I purchased additional models and have not looked back, but, it was the strengthening of those muscles and increasing control that has kept me going. Read "Muscle Tone ROCKS!!!", if you have not aleady...

    As the muscles strengthen and you gain the ability to control, and especially, use them together, the sensations will appear...that is what will feed your progress. Be patient, Be gentle. It will happen.

    I have been at this for probably two to three years, steadily. It has been frustrating, I will not deny, but, it has also been utterly amazing! I have not had the Super"O". I will have a killer session with something "new" surfacing and it will not show up again for months! Whatever "re-wiring" is, it is real. Nerve pathways take a very long time to heal when damaged, so I imagine, for the ANeros process, they will take a long time to "re-route" nerve impulses, and maybe, to even grow new nerves. Granted, I get REALLY impatient for the Super "O" search. It can be REALLY hard to enjoy what does happen but that is my best advice. The "right out of the box" guys...well, they do not know how lucky they are but I believe I will get there and so will you, even though that may not seem so right now. Try very hard to enjoy the "process"...otherwise, you will make yourself crazy trying to conjure up the "Super "O".

    Also, your post referred to "pulling", "pressure inside", "pulling it in too hard", and "easier to pull in, than push out". This is all about strength and control. Until you get those muscles developed, your concentration is going to be on using and controling those muscles, which will distract you from the sensations you are trying to create through the prostrate. Take your time and savor each tiny sensation, and as your muscles develop, more sensations will occur as you are able to concebtrate on the feelings generated by your movement of the Aneros, the big difference is that your manipulations of the Aneros will become second nature, and your mind will concentrate on the sensations and your arousal.

    I believe there are basically two, different types of pleasure in this process, which are generated differently.

    What I have been talking about is a more mediative route...super relaxed, dream-like, utterly focussed on the Aneros and what you are trying to do. And, btw, I do not mediatate, do yoga, chant, or do anything like that... The "pulling in", I believe, can be pleasureable and can create sensations that similiar to the type and rythum of what we feel during a traditional orgasm with an erection, ejac., and so on... I think it is easy to "go there" and feel like you are on the right track but I think is a dead-end, at least, in terms of getting to the Super "O"... I am sure many guys like that route, and it is nice but, I suggest that it just sidetracks the process.

    My opinion only.

    Hope this all helps and good luck...