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  • Tildin
    Posts: 9
    I have a standard Aneros and after using it as instructed on three occaisions for about 30 mins each time I find my prostate region is sore and uncomfortable. The discomfort has lasted about 7 days so far. Naturally I am a little worried. Can anybody offer any advice or reassurance. I used gallons of KY. Having read all the blurb I assumed this device was safe to use?
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    Hi Tildin,

    I had the same thing happen to me and I am sure others have as well. I believe that as long as you were not manually moving your Aneros, that the discomfort that you are experiencing is probably the muscles that are getting a workout. I am about to enter my 3rd year with the Aneros, and I can still suffer from some slight muscle discomfort if I have a particularly aggressive or long session.

    When it happened to me, I was spooked. The nice folks here in the forum put my mind at ease. I just pulled back and gave it a rest for a bit and everything was fine. I was checking for blood and the whole works. There are some stretegic muscles that you are giving some strength to. Like going to the gym and working out with weights when you are not used to it....you can make things pretty sore.

    Hang in there.

    Buster
  • Tildin
    Posts: 9
    (this post was edited 2007-01-28 09:15:14)


    Thanks Buster. Anybody else had this problem? How long did it take to ease?
  • Are you sore internally or are you sore on your perineum? Does it hurt when you have a bowel movement? You are using muscles that are not routinely exercised as Buster has mentioned this could be the source of your discomfort. Are you sore when the aneros is inserted or just after you use it? How much hair do you have on your perineum? This was a significant source of discomfort for me. As the tab made contact with my perineum it would pull hair and as you know this is a highly innervated area. This discomfort lasted usually 2-3 days but was easily fixed.

    la
  • Tildin
    Posts: 9


    The soreness is internal and slightly left of centre and occured after using the aneros. It is not especially painful during a bowel movement but I can feel the tender spot. Its been seven days since I used the aneros and I would have expected simple muscle strain to have worn off. Perineum is not hairy and not externally sore.
  • Is your soreness located where the perineum tab made contact? Just slightly left of center? The skin that covers the perineum is very thin and with aggressive contraction of your anal muscles in the pelvic floor can create soreness that is perceived as internal in origin. It would not be uncommon for new users to experience this. It is not uncommon for the tab to make contact just left or right of center. When I first started if I my perineal raphe (the thin line running down the midline of your perineum) was sore I thought something may be wrong too. I quickly correlated this with the strong contractions I was using to try and stimulate my prostate but with time this resolved and I learned that strong contractions are not the way to achieve the desired results. At first I thought this pain was internal but quickly learned with repeated sessions that it was not. Are you having any difficulty urinating or ejaculating? Any history of hemorrhoids? Have you looked at your perineum any sores noted? You can do this easily with a compact mirror. I would suggest shortening your next session by 10-15 minutes and see if the pain returns or lessens. You should not experience any pain with insertion if done properly please make sure you have read the directions on insertion. As well as the other directions. Keep using plenty of lube. Make sure your are relaxed. Allow time for your rectum to get familar with the aneros before you begin any type of contraction. Hope this helps.

    la
  • Tildin
    Posts: 9


    Actually yes the the pain IS where the perineum tab made contact, I remember it being slightly to the left of center and as you say its difficult to say whether the sensation is internal or external. I've had a look and I cant see any abrasion and the skin is not sore to touch externally. I did use strong contractions and found the contact on the perineum irritating and uncomfortable. I have not got hemorrhoids, urination does not cause pain but I am aware of the sore spot during ejaculation although it is no more painful I just feel its there. I just want it to go away and feel normal again. There was no pain on insertion and I followed the instructions exactly, the aneros slid home quite easily. I really dont feel at all confident about using it again at least until I'm sure I have not done any permanent damage.
  • The pain you are having with ejaculation is most likely from the muscles of your pelvic floor contracting when you orgasm. Take a break from use and let your body heal. It sounds like what has happened to you is exactly what I went through when I first started. I highly doubt you have done any damage to yourself if you only engaged in anal contractions with the aneros like they recommend. Next time take it easy and slow. Go light on the contraction strength I think you will find it more enjoyable and not be sore afterwards. There has also been posts on padding the perineum tab on the forum. Look them up they may be of some benefit.

    la
  • Tildin,

    Any better?

    la

  • Originally Posted By: luvinaneros
    Tildin,

    Any better?

    la


    Unforunately not, still the same. Thanks for asking though.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    Tildin,

    A couple other questions, if you don't mind. Are you new to anal play or just the aneros? If it is the latter, what types have you experimented with in the past (dildos, plugs,vibrators, fingers) and had this produced any pain or discomfort at that time? You mentioned that you own a standard model Aneros, I assume that you mean an MGX, is that correct? With the exception of the times when you used a strong contraction (which you indicated was painful) did you notice an intense feeling of pressure or discomfort from the abutment tab at more moderate levels? Specifically, I want to know if the problem only occurred when you went to strong contractions.


    BF Mayfield


  • Originally Posted By: B Mayfield
    Tildin,

    A couple other questions, if you don't mind. Are you new to anal play or just the aneros? If it is the latter, what types have you experimented with in the past (dildos, plugs,vibrators, fingers) and had this produced any pain or discomfort at that time? You mentioned that you own a standard model Aneros, I assume that you mean an MGX, is that correct? With the exception of the times when you used a strong contraction (which you indicated was painful) did you notice an intense feeling of pressure or discomfort from the abutment tab at more moderate levels? Specifically, I want to know if the problem only occurred when you went to strong contractions.


    BF Mayfield


    Hi, have played with anal plugs before and had no unpleasant sensations at all. Yes it is an MGX. During use I experienced only comparatively mild discomfort particularly from the abutment tab. I did use strong contractions and weak ones really just experimenting with the thing to try and get some pleasurable sensations. The thing that gives me concern is the persitance of internal perineal discomfort weeks after I last used the aneros. I didn't really do anything violent with the aneros nor was there a point when using it that I though "Ah that hurts." But after using it and still (three weeks later) I am experiencing what feels like internal perineal pain where there was none before. I have no history of anal problems, no bleedng, no piles, and no prostate problems to the best of my knowledge. However I'm wondering if the massaging action could have provoked an attack of prostatitis. There is definite internal tenderness which is worse when sitting.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    (this post was edited 2007-02-06 09:22:09)

    I will tell you briefly my pain issues. This is not to say that you have same or similar. It is just background info.

    I have been battling with pain in that region for many years. It seemed to have all begun with a case of acute epididymitis (infection of some of the tubing in the scrotum) many years ago. my right sack swelled up. the swelling went away after a course of antibiotics. but, the pain lasted for a year.

    since then, i can provoke a flare-up by:
    - doing strong kegels focused on my anal and rectal muscles. (posterior pelvic floor muscles. anterior don't give me a problem)

    - strong pressure on my perineum or prostate (eg, aneros, bike riding)

    - some strong orgasms.

    the flare-ups can last from days to weeks to months.

    in the last 6 months i have had a breakthrough where i can actually use the aneros and similar methods with no or very minimal flare-ups.

    the key to my improvement has been:
    - physical therapy (stretching the pelvic floor digitally through the rectum)
    - relaxation and stretching exercises. the relaxation exercises are particularly important (and are a nice adjunct to aneros use).
    - a low dose prescription to nortryptoline (an anti-depressant prescribed in low doses for chronic pain)

    a key step forward for me was reading the book "A Headache in the Pelvis."

    the nutshell of that book's thesis is that the kind of pain i (and perhaps you) are having is from chronic muscle tension and spasming in the pelvic floor muscles. they propose that this, and not inflammation of the prostate, is commonly the underlying cause of symptoms typically diagnosed as "prostatitis." on their theory, using those muscles down there (in orgasm or kegels or aneros) can aggravate them.

    think of it like a back muscle that is inclined towards muscular spasm and pain. if you use your back lifting stuff, you risk having a flare-up. in the back, the pain is sharp. in the pelvis it is an ache.

    one more thing i will say: most docs and urologists are pretty much in the dark on this issue. luckily, where i live i found some rare specialists in pelvic pain.

    i should mention that the authors of the Headache in the Pelvis book, and the specialists i have seen, are mainstream doctors (eg, the HiP book is from the urology department at Stanford Univerisity), not fringe practitioners.

    darwin


  • Definitely some food for thought there Darwin. I had come across the theory about so called prostatitis being cause by muscular spasms rather than inflamtion of the prostate having done a bit of googling around perineal pain. Hope to goodness this isn't the start of chronic long term problems. But thanks for sharing your experience. I may well invest in a copy of the book you mentioned if I get no joy from the doctors.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    Tildin,

    First, thanks to Darwin for his post. I'm a life-long sufferer of prostatitis myself so over the years he and I have become kindred spirits on the topic of pelvic pain. There is no question that this neuromuscular approach that he has so eloquently described, bears looking into. I'm certainly glad that it has brought him some measure of relief.

    With respect to your situation, I would suggest being screened for prostatitis first. If you are experiencing a bout that is bacterial in origin, you would want to address it post haste. The question is, are you having any other symptoms that are consistent with prostatitis, i.e. frequent urges to urinate, burning sensation when you urinate, testicular pain, lower back pain, fever etc.?

    BF Mayfield
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    (this post was edited 2007-02-06 20:24:12)

    tilden-

    i've read over this thread.

    first thing, just to be clear: no advice you get on this forum is a substitute for medical attention. if you have a concern, go to a doctor.

    it has come up before that it might be embarrassing to mention the aneros or other non-standard practices to a doctor. my strong recommendation is to move right past that. if you feel you need to see a doctor, tell him/her all the facts. (you might even consider bringing the aneros with you if you think it is pertinent).

    given the caveat above, here are some suggestions that occur to me.

    1) i totally agree with B that if you have the symptoms of acute bacterial prostatitis, you should get it treated immediately. if it is even a possibility, get medical attention. i suggest going to a urologist. (make them take you on an asap basis).

    the standard test for acute prostatitis is getting a sample of expressed prostatic secretion (by digitally pressing on the gland through the rectum) and looking for signs of infection in it (and in the urine sample after that). i suggest a urologist because they have a lot of experience doing that, and, if done wrong, it can be painful.

    2) if you don't think that is a possiblity, then i think you should let it rest. give it a few weeks to heal, whether it is a bruise from the strong contractions or a muscular problem.

    darwin
  • Tildin,

    I could not agree more with the above posts.


    la
  • Don't worry guys I wont take any chances, I have an appointment at the urology clinic next Friday. I have none of the other symptoms of acute bacterial prostatitis but if they develop I will be hammering on the door of my doctors or the local ER dept. Thanks a lot for all your input and concern. Think its time to see what the professionals say now. Best of luck to all and I will let you know how I get on.
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    Originally Posted By: darwin
    (this post was edited 2007-02-06 09:22:09)

    I will tell you briefly my pain issues. This is not to say that you have same or similar. It is just background info.

    I have been battling with pain in that region for many years. It seemed to have all begun with a case of acute epididymitis (infection of some of the tubing in the scrotum) many years ago. my right sack swelled up. the swelling went away after a course of antibiotics. but, the pain lasted for a year.

    since then, i can provoke a flare-up by:
    - doing strong kegels focused on my anal and rectal muscles. (posterior pelvic floor muscles. anterior don't give me a problem)

    - strong pressure on my perineum or prostate (eg, aneros, bike riding)

    - some strong orgasms.

    the flare-ups can last from days to weeks to months.

    in the last 6 months i have had a breakthrough where i can actually use the aneros and similar methods with no or very minimal flare-ups.

    the key to my improvement has been:
    - physical therapy (stretching the pelvic floor digitally through the rectum)
    - relaxation and stretching exercises. the relaxation exercises are particularly important (and are a nice adjunct to aneros use).
    - a low dose prescription to nortryptoline (an anti-depressant prescribed in low doses for chronic pain)

    a key step forward for me was reading the book "A Headache in the Pelvis."

    the nutshell of that book's thesis is that the kind of pain i (and perhaps you) are having is from chronic muscle tension and spasming in the pelvic floor muscles. they propose that this, and not inflammation of the prostate, is commonly the underlying cause of symptoms typically diagnosed as "prostatitis." on their theory, using those muscles down there (in orgasm or kegels or aneros) can aggravate them.

    think of it like a back muscle that is inclined towards muscular spasm and pain. if you use your back lifting stuff, you risk having a flare-up. in the back, the pain is sharp. in the pelvis it is an ache.

    one more thing i will say: most docs and urologists are pretty much in the dark on this issue. luckily, where i live i found some rare specialists in pelvic pain.

    i should mention that the authors of the Headache in the Pelvis book, and the specialists i have seen, are mainstream doctors (eg, the HiP book is from the urology department at Stanford Univerisity), not fringe practitioners.

    darwin


    Interesting that prostatitis is being mentioned on this forum. I have had this condition for 7 years however my pain has reduced significantly over the last year due to physiotherapy and following the treatment described in the book you mention, headache in the pelvis. I hope to be free of this condition with continued physiotherapy.

    I was wondering if the aneros might actually help with pelvic pain as I thought it may stretch the pelvic floor. Its dissapointing that you say the aneros brings back your symptoms as I was considering getting one to help with my condition. It says in the blurb on the website that it strenghtens your muscles so I thought it would be beneficial.

    Incidentally to the guy experiencing pain in the perineum I agree with the previous poster that you may have flared up a muscle. If the urologist rules out an infection get along to a physiotherapist that knows how to do internal pelvic floor work. You might have just have a tight bit of muscle (no different from having a knot of muscle in your back)and it can be easliy massaged out if you get treatment early on. Urologists unfortunatly are not aware of this treatment so sufferers rarely get the correct treatment. If you find a good physio it can be easily fixed.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    Charlie-

    About the aneros and this condition. I wouldn't necessarily generalize from my experience. The condition seems different with each person.

    A good test to see if the aneros will give you the kind of problems it gives me is to spend say a week doing kegel exercises, and practicing the low-level anal contractions that drive the device. if you can do those without a flare-up, than your situation isn't similar enough to mine to draw any negative conclusions. (note that the HiP book specifically advises against kegels, as the muscle conditioning can lead to muscle tension).

    for whatever reason, and this is likely personal, i found that the eupho is the only aneros that i can use successfully (both in terms of giving pleasure and avoiding flare-ups).

    i should also mention that i have a not fully tested theory that the Slightest Touch TENS device (http://www.slightesttouch.com) helps my condition. it also feels very very good.

    darwin
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    Originally Posted By: darwin
    Charlie-

    About the aneros and this condition. I wouldn't necessarily generalize from my experience. The condition seems different with each person.

    A good test to see if the aneros will give you the kind of problems it gives me is to spend say a week doing kegel exercises, and practicing the low-level anal contractions that drive the device. if you can do those without a flare-up, than your situation isn't similar enough to mine to draw any negative conclusions. (note that the HiP book specifically advises against kegels, as the muscle conditioning can lead to muscle tension).

    for whatever reason, and this is likely personal, i found that the eupho is the only aneros that i can use successfully (both in terms of giving pleasure and avoiding flare-ups).

    i should also mention that i have a not fully tested theory that the Slightest Touch TENS device (http://www.slightesttouch.com) helps my condition. it also feels very very good.

    darwin


    Thanks for replying to my post Darwin. I know the headache in the pelvis book advises against Kegels so I am very wary of doing them. I find sex usually flares up my condition slightly so I was wondering whether using the aneros during sex may prevent my muscles tightning up.It would also be good for massaging the prostate after sex so the muscles aorund it go back to their relaxed state. Using it regulary would certainly loosen the Sphincter muscle which would help with pelvic pain. I think I will discuss it with my physio first and see what he thinks. Thanks also for recommending a model.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    (this post was edited 2007-02-13 08:30:08)

    From my experience, the Aneros won't provide relief based on stretching. It is not used in a stretching motion. On the contrary its use entails contractions (which are the opposite of stretching).

    if you want to do internal stretching, you might try doing it manually with:

    (1) a vaginal dilator. i got one from my physical therapist. it is a solid piece of plastic (similar material to the aneros), about 6 inches long, 1/2 inch in diameter, and one end is rounded. I should mention that the length is important. you need it at least that long to get a good grip.

    (2) the Crystal Wand Deluxe (i just got this, and am still evaluating it.) This wand is designed for female and male g-spot stimulation (manually). but it is also good for therapeutic stretching and myofacial release. see: http://www.thetaobums.com/Crystal-in-Uranus-Illuminating-the-Male-Pelvis-t1712.html

    darwin
  • (this post was edited 2007-02-15 15:39:22)

    As promised a final update, all discomfort has gone. Once again a big thank you for all your advice.
  • Tildin,

    That is great news. Remember to try more gentle contractions.

    la
  • Tildin,

    Any update from your sessions? Are the lighter contractions helping?

    la