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Not sure if that's all there is for me ...
  • cet
    Posts: 32
    Well, I've had the Helix for awhile, but I've only used it about a 1/2 dozen times.

    It was on my second session that things really "broke-out" for me, but subsequently, I've found myself wondering if that's it for me, or if there's something more.

    Let me describe what I've personally felt, and perhaps those in the know could provide me with a bit of feedback.

    Using a little ID Glide, via a "baby dosing syringe" that's commonly found in most pharmacies, and some on the Helix itself, I began on a hands and knees position with a good, prolonged contraction.

    The sensation was quite nice, and it felt like the Helix was indeed touching the prostate while holding the contraction. After a few minutes, I'd relax and the involuntary contractions would begin, first quickly and rapidly, then more slowly and forceful.

    The involuntary contractions would then get my slowly rocking forward, and at that point involutary pelvic thrusts would begin. There were two types that would alternate: strong, single, forceful thrusts that would come in groups of two or three, followed by a group 3 to 5 short, fast thrusts in quick succession.

    The involuntary pelvic thrusts would contine back and forth between the two types several times, after which I'd feel what I'd have to call the ejaculatory spasms in my penis (which was most often not erect, but in subsequent sessions, has been erect during the first set of involuntary pelvic thrusts). It addition to the spasms, I'd feel strong, involuntary contractions around the Helix, which I would consider part of the spasms.

    There would be a couple of strong spasms, followed by several more in lessening intensity. At this point, the involuntary pelvic thrusts would begin again, and the process would repeat. After 3-4 times, the intensity and number of pelvic thrusts would decrease until such time as I would get a large number of spasm of moderate to low intensity.

    I must say, the first time I experienced it, I was dumbstruck. The entire process repeated 3-4 times at which point I was tired and called it quits. I believe I stopped counting the spasms after around 120 of them in succession.

    But, after that momentus first time, the spasms are nice, but nothing thrilling ... I guess it was not having ever felt anything like that in the first place, couple with my body acting on its own accord, and a little fantasizing that made the first time so amazing.

    I can get to the involuntary pelvic thrusts, followed by the spasms, but the feeling isn't overly intense, and I'm wondering if that's all there is, if that was a Super-O out of the gate and there's nothing more, or if I'm having a nice experience and there is something more beyond it.

    I don't get any tingles, warmth, or other interesting sensations ... it all feels pretty mechanical. I do often just let it all happen to see if anything new comes my way, but so far, nothing else. I've tried it on both sides and on my back, though on all fours seems to make the most out of the pelvic thrusts.

    The one thing that I do sense could be just the beginning, is when I hold a contraction for as long as I can and shake myself from side to side, amost like a dog wagging its tail. It feels like in this position, the Helix is making solid contact with the prostate, and the extra motion gives it a bit of an internal rub.

    I'm not sure if my prostate is just a little bit beyond the reach of the Helix, as the good internal feeling is on full contraction or at the end of the strong pelvic thrusts. I don't ever seem to get any prostatic fluid flowing like so many have described.

    That's pretty much it, and I'm really hoping that there's significantly more to experience ... I'd like to think so from what I've read, and I'm indeed happy for my experiences, but so far, I can't seem to get beyond what I've already done and felt.

    Perhaps the Eupho or Maximus might help, but for now, finances are a bit prohibitive.

    If anyone has had similar experiences, or knows what I'm experiencing, I'd really appreciate your comments.

    Sorry this is so long, but hopefully, there is more for me to experience, and hopefully it can be done with the Helix I already have.

    Thanks Much!

    Cet.
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    Originally Posted By: cet
    Well, I've had the Helix for awhile, but I've only used it about a 1/2 dozen times.

    It was on my second session that things really "broke-out" for me, but subsequently, I've found myself wondering if that's it for me, or if there's something more.

    Let me describe what I've personally felt, and perhaps those in the know could provide me with a bit of feedback.

    Using a little ID Glide, via a "baby dosing syringe" that's commonly found in most pharmacies, and some on the Helix itself, I began on a hands and knees position with a good, prolonged contraction.

    The sensation was quite nice, and it felt like the Helix was indeed touching the prostate while holding the contraction. After a few minutes, I'd relax and the involuntary contractions would begin, first quickly and rapidly, then more slowly and forceful.

    The involuntary contractions would then get my slowly rocking forward, and at that point involutary pelvic thrusts would begin. There were two types that would alternate: strong, single, forceful thrusts that would come in groups of two or three, followed by a group 3 to 5 short, fast thrusts in quick succession.

    The involuntary pelvic thrusts would contine back and forth between the two types several times, after which I'd feel what I'd have to call the ejaculatory spasms in my penis (which was most often not erect, but in subsequent sessions, has been erect during the first set of involuntary pelvic thrusts). It addition to the spasms, I'd feel strong, involuntary contractions around the Helix, which I would consider part of the spasms.

    There would be a couple of strong spasms, followed by several more in lessening intensity. At this point, the involuntary pelvic thrusts would begin again, and the process would repeat. After 3-4 times, the intensity and number of pelvic thrusts would decrease until such time as I would get a large number of spasm of moderate to low intensity.

    I must say, the first time I experienced it, I was dumbstruck. The entire process repeated 3-4 times at which point I was tired and called it quits. I believe I stopped counting the spasms after around 120 of them in succession.

    But, after that momentus first time, the spasms are nice, but nothing thrilling ... I guess it was not having ever felt anything like that in the first place, couple with my body acting on its own accord, and a little fantasizing that made the first time so amazing.

    I can get to the involuntary pelvic thrusts, followed by the spasms, but the feeling isn't overly intense, and I'm wondering if that's all there is, if that was a Super-O out of the gate and there's nothing more, or if I'm having a nice experience and there is something more beyond it.

    I don't get any tingles, warmth, or other interesting sensations ... it all feels pretty mechanical. I do often just let it all happen to see if anything new comes my way, but so far, nothing else. I've tried it on both sides and on my back, though on all fours seems to make the most out of the pelvic thrusts.

    The one thing that I do sense could be just the beginning, is when I hold a contraction for as long as I can and shake myself from side to side, amost like a dog wagging its tail. It feels like in this position, the Helix is making solid contact with the prostate, and the extra motion gives it a bit of an internal rub.

    I'm not sure if my prostate is just a little bit beyond the reach of the Helix, as the good internal feeling is on full contraction or at the end of the strong pelvic thrusts. I don't ever seem to get any prostatic fluid flowing like so many have described.

    That's pretty much it, and I'm really hoping that there's significantly more to experience ... I'd like to think so from what I've read, and I'm indeed happy for my experiences, but so far, I can't seem to get beyond what I've already done and felt.

    Perhaps the Eupho or Maximus might help, but for now, finances are a bit prohibitive.

    If anyone has had similar experiences, or knows what I'm experiencing, I'd really appreciate your comments.

    Sorry this is so long, but hopefully, there is more for me to experience, and hopefully it can be done with the Helix I already have.

    Thanks Much!

    Cet.


    Sounds exactly like what I've been getting- for a year straight! No change! Involuntaries, body shaking, and then.... Nothing! After a year, sorry, but I'm pretty convinced the Aneros models I own (MGX, Helix and Maximus), just ain't reaching where my prostate is supposed to be... Maybe you'll get more lucky than I have been, I wish you the best of luck. Cuz thats all I can see it to be at this point between sucess and disapointment.
  • cet
    Posts: 32
    Well this is most depressing ... I was looking for help, suggestions, etc. and all I get is one person who quotes the entire length of my message and offers nothing but "good luck". **sigh**

    I do enjoy what I get from my Helix, and I consider myself lucky to have gotten something enjoyable starting with my second attempt.

    The spasms I feel after the involuntary contractions and pelvic thrusts are quite nice, but after reading what others are experiencing, I was truly hoping for more.

    I will give it time, but I was hoping to hear from others that have felt what I have and if they have gotten any further with additional time, techniques, etc.

    The one individual who responded didn't mention if he got the ejaculatory spasms ... and he seemed to indicate that he was feeling nothing more after a year of trying.

    So I ask again, are the ejaculatory spasms it, or is there more? Am I just not hitting the sweet spot becuase I'm not getting any prostatic fluid?

    I realize we're all built slightly differently, and that "mileage may vary" because of this, but I could certainly use some input at this point in my journey.

    Yes, I do try different positions, fantasizing, relaxing, not concentrating on anything, breathing techniques, and just about everything I've read.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm thankful for what I've discovered and felt, but I need to know, am I at the end of the journey, or is there more for me.

    I look forward to more helpful comments.

    Thanks!

    Cet.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    cet,

    I've been doing this for many years now and I continue to be surprised by the depth of things...so indeed I would encourage you to continue exploring. In your comments you described a great deal of involuntary contraction. What types and levels of voluntary contractions are you using and when? Is this your first experience with anal play? Have you ever had this phenomenon occur prior to this or since....without the Aneros? When you feel these ejaculatory spasms take hold, what if anything do you do...on a voluntary basis? What positions have you tried? Which seem to provide the most prostate contact for you?

    A lot of questions, I know.....here's an answer to one of yours. Regarding the flow of Cowper's fluid or precum as it's commonly known, I've had slamming orgasms without it and smaller ones with it. Although its presence is almost always an indicator of arousal, its absence is not necessarily significant with respect to a Super O. In fact, there are some men who produce very little of it prior to an ejaculation. So don't get hung up on that.


    BF Mayfield
  • cet
    Posts: 32

    Originally Posted By: B Mayfield
    cet,

    In your comments you described a great deal of involuntary contraction. What types and levels of voluntary contractions are you using and when?

    Is this your first experience with anal play?

    Have you ever had this phenomenon occur prior to this or since....without the Aneros?
    When you feel these ejaculatory spasms take hold, what if anything do you do...on a voluntary basis?

    What positions have you tried?

    Which seem to provide the most prostate contact for you?

    In fact, there are some men who produce very little of it prior to an ejaculation. So don't get hung up on that.

    BF Mayfield


    First a big Thank You B.F. for taking the time. Let me answer as best I can.

    Voluntary contractions were mainly just to get the ball rolling at the begining. Once the involuntaries took over, I pretty much relaxed and went along for the ride.

    After awhile into my last couple of sessions, I'd throw in some voluntary contract-and-holds after the involuntary pelvic thrusts began. During a few strong, voluntary contract-and-hold, I'd "waggle" (for lack of a better term) from side to side, and that is when I could feel some pleasurable rubbing deep inside.

    It felt like it could build into something, but, I'd have to maintain a very strong, deep contraction to get the feeling, which I could not hold for any really long length of time. This is what leads me to believe that the majority of my prostate may be just out of reach of the Helix, and that I may be stimulating only part of it, but not all of it.

    I've done some anal play in my younger days ... strictly toys, and nothing really store-bought, just objects that were the right size and shape. I'm straight, but have always enjoyed the feelings, so I'm quite open to it.

    Yes, after my first and second sessions, clearly my best as it was all very new and exciting, I could contract without the Helix in place and start the involuntary contractions, involuntary pelvic thrusts, and repeated ejaculatory "spasms".

    That was quite fun in and of itself. I could even just think about the feelings for a bit, and generate involuntary pelvice thrusts, pretty much the whole process.

    I pretty much just relax, or fantasize, or when it's feeling rather mechanical, count the number of spasms when they occur. As I mentioned before, they'll begin after a series of involuntary pelvic thrusts which come in two forms: the strong, powerful, full-body thrusts that come in a group of 2-3, followed by the short quick burst group of about 5 or so, alternating back and forth until, typically after the last strong, powerful involuntary pelvic thrust, I'd feel what I can only call ejaculatory spasms. This process repeats with fewer and fewer involuntary pelvic thrusts until all that is left are the ejaculatory spasms. That's when I counted approximately over 120 of them my first time out.

    Don't get me wrong, they feel nice, but I wouldn't compare them to an orgasm. Ejaculation aside, there's no warmth, tingling, any of the really nice feeling the preceed a traditional orgasm. It's just the semi-mechanical spasms that one feels during the ograsm process that I'm getting.

    Again, first couple of times, WOW! But now, I'm left wondering, is that all I get? Especially when I read what others are experiencing.

    The only thing I've tried when the spasms have started has been the contract-and-hold, with the "waggle".

    I've tried hands-and-knees, left-side, right-side, and on my back. I get the whole process in any of the positions, however, hands-and-knees seems to give the most satisfying stimulus during the pelvic thrusts. Perhaps it's just because it's easier to move when in this position.

    On my back has also been nice as the handle often gets pushed by the bedding, which tends to give me a little more contact on occasion. Other than that, I can't really discern if any position is actually giving me more contact.

    Thanks also for the info on the Cowper's gland. I must say that I have always been intrigued by those who seem to have an active, perhaps overactive, Cowpers. Perhaps I'm just not one of them, but I'd sure like to know if I can at the very least "milk the prostate" for health and enjoyment.

    Any advice you can offer B.F. would be much appreciated. If they ever come out with a model for those of us who feel we're just not reaching it, I'd be very happy to test it and comment!

    Regards,

    Cet.
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    Bump ... BF, any additional information given my answers to your questions?

    Cet.
  • B MayfieldB Mayfield
    Posts: 2,077
    (this post was edited 2007-02-02 17:13:36)

    cet,

    Thanks for the bump...yep, I missed this the first time 'round!

    Unfortunately, I can't say as I relate to the involuntary pelvic thrusting that you've described, but it sounds wild! With respect to the sensations that you've felt however, there is a familiar pattern with how I and others have experienced it, namely that there has been one or two are orgasmic episodes followed by a frustrating fallow period.

    I'm sure that you have gone through endless pondering over what you did differently in the first instances that made the difference. Most commonly users will concentrate on every technique that they may have used or on their preparation leading up to the event...avoiding one less obvious aspect. Arousal is perhaps the number one element necessary in producing a Super O. I had a discussion about this recently with Pan, and we both concurred that it shows up as the single most factor that users will overlook.

    The fact is, arousal trumps all! Arousal is the fuel that feeds the fire. The Aneros acts much like a match or a spark that triggers the reaction. Without arousal...there can be NO Super O. In the past, when I've stressed the need for this in a user's sessions, they'll write back.... "oh, I was plenty aroused, I had been watching porn for hours...but it didn't seem to make a difference" The fact is, that there are many different levels of arousal, and some are far more potent than others. Recently, another user, Enemagra posted in thread (entitled "Congratulations Enemagra") about experiencing what he called first date arousal and how this was essential to his success. In the past I had used the term first sexual encounter arousal for that heart pumping, fluttering in the stomach, tingly all over, feeling like something is imminent sensation. The one that you get the first time that you take your partner's clothes off and stare down at their naked body knowing that you'll soon be enjoying them in a very special way! It's the kind of arousal that makes women wet and men leak precum ! It's a moment of anticipation and excitement and again, imminence that make for this very reactive physical state. If you've read some of the other threads in this forum, you know that there are other methods of generating the Super O that do not involve the Aneros at all. Arousal is key in ALL cases!

    So how does this apply to the Aneros? I know that in my case, with my first several experiences I was tremendously charged up even before I inserted it! It was like, ....here is this odd device, unlike any toy that I had ever used, designed to massage my prostate, anus and perineum simultaneously. I found myself getting excited at the very notion of being penetrated by it, and (I should add) at the idea that a very large experience might be had from using it. After the first two sessions, I basically lost it for months! So what did I do, where did I find it? In a nutshell I found that I had to work on generating arousal. To do this I used several different techniques, KSMO for one and visualization for another. Combined with some visual stimulation in the form of erotica and tactile stimulation in the form of playing with my nipples, I derived the kind of charged up stimulation that led me back to the Super O.

    After a while there was a third source that I used, (one that has become my primary source now), that of sense memory. This last element is very powerful, yet can only be exercised effectively when one has sufficient experience/memory of the Super O. As an echo exists as a manifestation of the fundamental sound that created it, so does the echo of a Super O. In this method, the memory of the Super O becomes so vivid... that it actually manifests itself as a physical sensation. When properly focused upon, these echoes have the potential for generating full strength Super O's all by themselves!

    This having been said, it is something that you must explore and develop...it will not happen over night. Like I said, it took me months to get there (although I spent some of that time perhaps needlessly, concentrating on my technique).

    From everything that you've described, all of the involuntary contractions etc., it would appear to me that only thing that is missing is the element of mental focus. It is clear that your body knows of this kind of experience and on some level wants to go there (boy does it ever !!!) But to go all the way your mind and body must be working together. Mental focus DOES NOT mean that you are thinking about each and every contraction that is occurring, whether they be voluntary or involuntary. Rather it's about using visualization to support and effectively channel this erotic energy. When a person is highly experienced with the Super O and they become Super Orgasmic if you will, they have the capacity of allowing their mind to stimulate their body and their body to stimulate their mind. These people are capable of setting up this kind of positive feedback loop almost spontaneously. In this reactive environment the progression is such that sensation builds upon itself, resulting in a Super O.

    With regard to visualization the mental images that can be used range from those involving penetration, to ejaculation or more abstract images. One of the ones that I like to use is that of seeing the sensation (in my mind's eye) as a ball of energy in my anus and imagining it traveling deeper and deeper into my rectum. Soon it gains strength and when it does it begins to rise, until I feel it emerging in my abdomen, in an area between my pubic bone and navel (the Second Chakra). I focus on this energy rising and emerging with ever increasing magnitude. As it travels closer to the surface I can feel it spreading through my entire diaphragm. I feel it growing stronger still as it spreads to my abdominal muscles....then I my muscles are contracting, I'm realizing that the orgasm is imminent, and the energy fan out into all regions of my body!

    Another one that some users have found helpful is to visualize yourself having a Super O! This may be easier for those who have already had the Super O, apropos of my preceding comments on sense memory. However, there have been those with no prior Super O experience who have found this one helpful too. For other ideas on visualization, keyword visualization with the forum search feature.

    In conclusion....think about arousal. Think about techniques for generating it; abstaining from sex a day or two between sessions, visual erotica, KSMO, visualization. I know that this may seem like work to you, but it's not. These are simply different areas for you to explore.

    If you haven't already done so, try using the Aneros while kneeling (knees by the foot of your bed torso and head on the bed)... or on all fours. These can also be great positions to use for more submissive visualizations if you are into that.

    Enjoy all,

    BF Mayfield