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Male Orientation?
  • View Poll Results: So after you have had your mini o & super o what is your sexual orientation now Voters: 35

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    gay 7 20.00%

    gay - curios 2 5.71%

    bi 4 11.43%

    still straight 22 62.86%

  • I have seen so many men here that have had that awaken moment when they just put all there cares to the side and just enjoy somethng up there ass with out any judgement. As a gay man I applaud you all.
  • I think we are all, if we admit it, somewhere on a continuum between hetero and homo, and different place at different times of our life, very close to either end or somewhere in between. Sexual pleasure is rather blind, it doesn't particularly care where (whom) it cums from.
  • HopefulMMOerHopefulMMOer
    Posts: 206
    Interesting topic @BigOluver... Like, now that we've been able to experience orgasmic bliss the likes of which make conventional orgasms seem paltry, does this somehow change our sexuality? Or at least expanded it beyond?

    To answer your question, as a sadly single guy ATM, I'd say I'm sorry I can't experience \ share this with someone else. Now that could be with a woman, who either participates in helping me specifically get to the high highs, or rides with her EVI. (If the EVI can indeed do for them what it does for us.) But I wonder how much of a turn it would be to be with another guy while we're both writing with bliss... Or, even better, for this guy at least, a Tgirl!?!?
  • Bunk
    Posts: 55
    As a hetro man I can honestly say that I have the odd fantasy about being 'taken' when writhing like a loon in the height of aneros induced mayhem. Although I couldn't put this into practice as I'm not attracted to men at all.
    It certainly doesn't gross me out, in fact I find it quite erotic at the time. I'm sure there are others who get a kick out of this..??
  • Perhaps, the straight men that are questioning their sexual orientation, are using Aneros as an Agent Provacateur. They have wanted to be with a man, prior to their Aneros use. I'm extremely fond of my Progasm Classic! But I don't want to be with a man. I would even let my GF peg me, but I still would not want to be with a man. I don't see how anal stimulation and/or prostate stimulation, could get a supposedly straight man, to change his sexual orientation.
  • Bunk
    Posts: 55
    I think the OP was making the point that straight men overcoming the taboo of using their ass to achieve pleasure was to be applauded. Having fantasies while experiencing anal pleasure is a personal thing. I get aroused by thinking that I'm being fucked by a man, but I would not want it to happen in reality. Whatever floats your boat..! If my prostate gland was in my ear, I'd be sticking something in that. Would probably be deaf by now though lol..!
  • VonTrapp
    Posts: 6
    I couldn't agree more Bunk with your statement from yesterday. In my limited experiences with my helix I have found my mind screaming "Yes, f@&$ my ass" while having a Dry O though I also am not attracted to men. But being "taken" at that moment is incredibly arousing.
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 28

    I think we are all, if we admit it, somewhere on a continuum between hetero and homo, and different place at different times of our life, very close to either end or somewhere in between. Sexual pleasure is rather blind, it doesn't particularly care where (whom) it cums from.



    I read about this experiment done where baby goats were raised by sheep, when they turned adult and were put back with the goats, the males still only wanted to mate with the sheep, while the females were able to adapt. Likewise with humans men are very much fixed in their sexuality/preference, while women are very flexible. So a women with a high sexdrive is bi, she doesn't care where the sex comes from, sex independent. While hetero and gay men and lesbians oddly enough it's fixed on their preference.
    Perhaps if boys were allowed to use the Aneros in their formative years they'd become as flexible as women in their sexuality encompassing all types hetero, gay, pedo
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @Ehm, I have to disagree with you.  I think people are born with their attraction to males or females.  I don't think that can be influenced per say.  Not to say women dont sleep with women just for the fun of sex and the stimulation, but are they really physically attracted to them?  Same applies for male on male.  I've noticed alot of men on here say they are curious or fantasize about sex with a "penis" but not a male.  There is a difference to them almost like they see the penis as something completely unrelated to the male body it is attached to.  And of course these same people always say towards the end that they are not attracted to the male physique.  So from my perspective curiosity and fantasy can only get you so far but in reality it isnt going to change your attraction to the person.
  • I agree totally with ineverknew. In my opinion, I believe if a man is hetero-sexual he would not fantasize about being with a man. Take hetero porn, for instance, and notice men's penises, touching other men's penises. This is seen in double penetration scenes, and 2 penises in the same orifice scenes (vaginal, oral, anal). No straight man would allow his penis to ever touch another man's penis. A Super O, lower case o, capital O, Cheeri-o, Spaghetti-o, or any kind of other O, is not going to change one's sexual orientation. Aneros, Njoy, dildos, vibrators, etc, are not going to change a man's sexual orientation. Excuses, excuses. Oh well!
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    The semantics of this or that category are not important.  The great thing about the aneros is that it puts you into an orgasmic zone (O-zone) where your imagination is the limit.  Explore whatever you want.

    In my case, the other night, with the aid of my faithful single toke of weed, I transformed into a female hooker (I had been reading a really cool --and sad-- novel about them).   It was fascinating to get (vaginally) fucked separately by two clients, and feel how different their bodies and styles were.   The first was a jock with a strong body, lot of dark pubes, big cock, and a long firm stroke. The second was a skinny red headed kid with pale skin, red pubes and a small cock, who pistoned into me rapidly, while squirming around on top of me, fingering my nipples. 


    crazy, but.. intense!  they both had me coming wildly, though in different ways.

    i know that hookers probably don't come, because it is just business.   but, hey, it was my fantasy so anything could happen, and at that moment, being her was awesome.

    darwin
  • @darwin

    Actually, the semantics are quite germane. The question being: So after you have had your mini-o & super-o,
    what is your sexual orientation now? I have no problem with weed smoking, but... if only after ONE hit of reefer, you fantasize about being a female hooker, you really should cease smoking. JMO.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @darwin, you have some of the wildest fantasies!  I can barely picture a naked woman lol.  I think my brain is broken in the fantasy department  :-/
  • Bunk
    Posts: 55

    I agree totally with ineverknew. In my opinion, I believe if a man is hetero-sexual he would not fantasize about being with a man. Take hetero porn, for instance, and notice men's penises, touching other men's penises. This is seen in double penetration scenes, and 2 penises in the same orifice scenes (vaginal, oral, anal). No straight man would allow his penis to ever touch another man's penis. A Super O, lower case o, capital O, Cheeri-o, Spaghetti-o, or any kind of other O, is not going to change one's sexual orientation. Aneros, Njoy, dildos, vibrators, etc, are not going to change a man's sexual orientation. Excuses, excuses. Oh well!



    So I'm not heterosexual then, ah well, live and let live I say. Any suggestions on how I break this news to my wife..?
  • @Bunk

    What you do or do not tell your wife, is your business. Should you tell her, you fantasize about being taken by a man, it may not go well for you. I used to date this bird, and when she found out I stimulated my prostate, she wanted to involve one of her friends, in the equation. A dude, with titties bolted on. She kept saying, he was really feminine, and quite womanly.
    I found that rather odd , thus I had to part ways with her, as she became too insistent ,about me meeting him. Oh well.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    I'm heterosexual and it still hasn't changed over seven plus years in this journey. I have wonderful fantasies of women strapping on a dildo and pegging me. But that works because they are women. I'm still not attracted sexually to men. I just love me some anal and prostate play whether solo or with a woman.
  • @Love_is
    HA HA! MY POINT EXACTLY. Excellent post. Thank you.
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 28

    @Ehm, I have to disagree with you.  I think people are born with their attraction to males or females.  I don't think that can be influenced per say.  Not to say women dont sleep with women just for the fun of sex and the stimulation, but are they really physically attracted to them?  Same applies for male on male.  I've noticed alot of men on here say they are curious or fantasize about sex with a "penis" but not a male.  There is a difference to them almost like they see the penis as something completely unrelated to the male body it is attached to.  And of course these same people always say towards the end that they are not attracted to the male physique.  So from my perspective curiosity and fantasy can only get you so far but in reality it isnt going to change your attraction to the person.



    So how do you explain the fact that when pederast have sex with children these children often becomes pederasts themselves?
    I do believe after a certain age males sexuality is fixed when the developmental phase  has past, but the fact that twins can have different sexual orientations suggests that there's more than  genes that play a part(if at all)
    Because my sexuality is fixed I have to have a convoluted phantasy, i.e. that it's myself fucking my feminine part coz it's the only way I'm not revolted as anything male (except myself) is disgusting. But that to me shows that had my developmental phase been different I could have been bi at the very least and I would  have had the sexual freedom to phantasize about a man fucking me.

    I'm sure  it's a biological fact that women are more flexible not just goats but humans as well.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @ehm, i think we are talking about two different things here.  Your talking about sex and I'm talking about attraction.  You can have sex with a person and enjoy it yet not be attracted to them.  My only point is that I believe attraction is something we are born with and for most does not change.  Talking about sexuality in pre-pubescent children is kinda pointless as their brains are not fully developed and they do not fully comprehend.  Looking at humans as flexible, yes they are.  But society as a norm tend to be largely hetero. Individuals who have sex with animals or dead people are extremely flexible (LOL) but in the larger picture of society tend to be looked at as freaks of nature.  Even homosexuality is a much smaller percentage of society then what the media would have us believe.  Not that I am against homosexuality, not at all, but it doesnt perpetuate the species.
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 28
    I think we're both talking about sexual attraction. And I'm not talking so much  about sexuality in children(what sexuality?) but more that there's  a developmental phase that shapes men's sexuality for the rest of their lifes. And all the example beastiality/necrophilia shows is that yes you can basically develop attraction to anything, it's not that people are born with that gene it's more that they've had an unusual sexual development phase.
    Also I don't believe sex in humans has procreation as its main goal,  otherwise we'd do and feel like it much less(only when the female is fertile). The main goal of sex is pleasure and social bonding(that's probably why homosexuality was common in Ancient Greece as fuckbrothers in arms had some added value)

  • @Ehm
    I find your posts, to be quite dubious, as well as troubling. The majority of homosexuality, in Ancient Greece (from what I've read), was between ADULT men and PUBESCENT boys. This is nothing to be lauded. Am I to gather, that you would find this behavior acceptable today, as well?
  • isvara
    Posts: 580
    "I think people are born with their attraction to males or females. I don't think that can be influenced per say." Quoting from @Pspotsquirter.
    Yet another recent study has not determined this. It seems as if upbringing and environment play a part as well. The research came out this month I did not bother to note the reference. I think the plasticity of human sexual relationships has contributed to our survival. As mentioned the bonding mechanism in sex is an extremely vital survival component. It may be greater than our sexual inclination. The imagination in a 100% heterosexual male can generate, more so in arousal, the feeling of being F-----d because of its incredible ability to put itself in the place of a female and feel what it might be like as a female. This amazing ability of being able to put oneself in another's situation and then seen oneself from that position is what makes us human.
    I often wonder in erotic literature that the male arousal is more about what the female is receiving than the male is giving.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @Ehm,  Developmental phase or not, I still believe we are born with our attraction to either females or males from birth.  Your right, procreation is not the main goal, but when the majority is considered straight it does perpepuate the species.  If the majority was homosexual then we would be in trouble of extinction.  I suspect the amount of male greeks having sex with young boys was probably low, statistically anyways.
  • isvara
    Posts: 580
    @ineverknew. Perhaps in a society that was homo orientated the environment would be safer so the heteros would be able to have more children who would have a higher survival rate.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @isvara, not sure I see where your coming from.
  • isvara
    Posts: 580
    I suppose I am off topic, but human sexuality on average is not cut and dried. An interesting article in a reputed science journal said that in all species there is about 10% same sex orientation. The article suggested that this 10% created a defense ring around the community. The article was well researched but the flock of offended arose on mass like seagull to slaughter it. It was a pity because there was much of value to be considered.
    My comments it that the process of life will adjust to maintain a species if that species is contributing to Life. It's the contribution we should be worrying about not our sexual orientation.
    PS its early morning, I can't sleep, so I am writing this ..!
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @isvara, I'm still not sure I understand.  But I dont think many people feel comforted or threatened by anyones sexual orientation when it comes to children.  Sure there are people who hate homosexuals.  There will always be haters and racists.  It amazes me that in this modern day people can really hate someone based on skin color or sexual orientation.  
  • TreiTrei
    Posts: 161
    I'm still straight but far more receptive to a pounding by any object whether it be a peg, aneros, or phallus and I can now relate to gay people and women who love anal stimulation as I’m now a fan too. :)

    ~Trei

  • tairy
    Posts: 50
    I still consider myself straight, but I would be down for experimenting with the right trans girl. Even that is arguably still pretty much 'straight' activity though.
  • ConvellConvell
    Posts: 7

    Perhaps, the straight men that are questioning their sexual orientation, are using Aneros as an Agent Provacateur. They have wanted to be with a man, prior to their Aneros use. I'm extremely fond of my Progasm Classic! But I don't want to be with a man. I would even let my GF peg me, but I still would not want to be with a man. I don't see how anal stimulation and/or prostate stimulation, could get a supposedly straight man, to change his sexual orientation.

    I 2nd this .. I feel the same way ..i also have a programs which I enjoy and into pegging but will never be with a man


    the difference of being gay or straight is WHO you choose to have sex with NOT how the sexual pleasure is being received .. this seems to be miscontrued alot

  • It seems to me the poll would be enhanced if the question was asked, "What do you consider your sexual orientation to be before...." and then the after question.
  • Miduka
    Posts: 3
    After using and enjoying the use of Aneros devices, I now question my own sexuality, though I'm not attracted to men, I'm attracted to the sexual acts between them.
  • PommiePommie
    Posts: 722
    I repeat here that I am unashamedly straight and could never imagine myself in a relationship with another man.

    Having said that, I still feel envious when I see the image of a well endowed man and wish that I was the same. (Clearly I am not well endowed)!

    For all that, five years of Aneros experience has still not changed my sexual orientation in the slightest and I doubt that it ever will. If anything, it has put me a little more in touch with how my wife feels and has made me more aware of her needs.

    For that alone, I have to thank Aneros for creating this environment.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @pommie, penis envy is normal.  The average penis size is between 5-6"(erect) and  90% of the male population fall into that category.  So no worries mate.
  • isvara
    Posts: 580
    Off topic - with apologies:
    If you were very big you could give yourself an oral - that is if you didn't faint through blood loss. Fancy never knowing.
    Could not resist it - lead me not into.......!
  • @Pommie

    Always remember an overly endowed man, is in the same boat, as a man that is under endowed.
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @Pspotsquirter, so true! lmao
  • @ineverknew

    HA HA!!!! Most people fail to realize this. In my time, I have met a woman, that did not want anything over six inches. Conversely, I have also met a woman, that did not want anything under ten inches. Oh the perils, of having a penis, whether it is big or small!
    :-B
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 28

    @Ehm
    I find your posts, to be quite dubious, as well as troubling. The majority of homosexuality, in Ancient Greece (from what I've read), was between ADULT men and PUBESCENT boys. This is nothing to be lauded. Am I to gather, that you would find this behavior acceptable today, as well?



    I'm not really in the business of 'lauding' any sexual orientation but as Isvara was saying about the evolutionary advantages of bonding thru sex, the fact that men(not just homosexual men) have evolved an erogenous zone in the anus suggests to me that homosexual activity wasn't just the pleasurable activity of a minority, i.e the homosexuals, but was something practised by all. Because sexually bonding with men obviously would strengthen groupcohesion. And again this isn't something I'm advocating or lauding it's something that makes sense. But as I mentioned men become fixed after their developmental phase, which to me is a shame as I can't experience the arousal homosexuals get from either the phantasy or actually being fucked by a man and possibly(coming back to pederasty)the real sexual abuse is being limited in scope, strictly heterosexual, instead of being able to experience the full range of sexual orientation. And I don't think this has any scientific reasoning, but is still a remnant of our religious past. And you know religions are about taking over one's mind and body(sexual repression). And in a way limiting our focus in the developmental phase is a bit like what Jesuit Priests said about getting them young so they'll be believers for life. The same goes for sexual orientation and it's the mental equivalent of  circumcision, i.e. childmutilation
    And it wasn't just homosexual activity between men and boys, although this was common as well, some citystates even had armies of lovers.

  • isvara
    Posts: 580
    Mmm, a bit off topic.
    It was just the other day I was talking with isvarason and we felt our circumcision was the best thing that happened to us. Isvarason did remind me that it was done properly by a doctor who knew what he was doing. I asked isvarason did he have any regrets. He looked up at me with his little face and said 'none'.
  • EhmEhm
    Posts: 28
    Not a day goes by without me regretting not having had part of my penis hacked off:)
  • @isvara
    Thank you for going off topic! It was the only just thing, one could do. I'm glad to hear that Isvarason is enjoying his circumcision.
  • @isvara

    I just asked Li'l Junior (not to be confused with the rapper) how he felt about being circumsized. And he replied,"Hell! I'm ecstatic that mum got it done. 'Cause you would have beat it off me, by now, anyway!"
    :\">
  • @Ehm

    Robin Williams once said,"It's either a snake with a sweater! Or a snail with a helmet!"
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    I personally disagree with circumcision.  There is really no reason for it as the previous reasons have been debunked(infection).  Your also robbing the male of more pleasure from his penis by cutting off some of the most sensitive skin.  They also say(not sure, but read this somewhere) that by having the head of the penis covered throughout the day by skin it makes the penis head extremely sensitive, whereas without the skin the head becomes dried out and loses sensitivity by rubbing on your underwear incessantly.  I dont know, it just makes sense to me now.  Seems barbaric to cut a childs penis, and for what purpose??
  • devajones
    Posts: 34
    @ineverknew I would tend to agree with the sensitivity issue with circumsized men as every man i've ever known that was NOT circumcized was very sensitive. I could get them to cum so fast it was unbelievable. Those that were circumsized took longer, but thats just my experience. I guess it is just one of those things thats been being done for so long it will take a while for people to not consider it.
  • isvara
    Posts: 580
    @devajones, thank you for your observation, I have some serious questions but not for this thread. Good to hear from the other side.

    Re the thread. The sample is very small so having a mini/super O does not appear to change ones sexual orientation. It looks like most remain the same. The big difference I think is that Aneros use has made us all much more tolerant/understanding of the other. This, if it is so, is quite remarkable. What is also good is that we appear to encourage each other on our several journeys with no judgement or pressure to change the other. As said in a previous post the Poll might have been better if could have had a before and after buttons, but that complexity may not be possible on this site or easily set up.
    The other blessing is that it seems as if we are all developing a deeper acceptance, understanding and enjoyment of our sexual side. Even the straights are coming "out" so as to speak.
  • I knew a dude that had to get circumsized, at 30 years of age. This was because, his foreskin had started to constrict about his dick head. After the circumcision, he was in extreme pain for about 20 days. I had a friend that dated an un-circumsized dude, and she was always getting yeast infections, as a result of his foreskin.
    A circumsized man cannot miss something , that he has never had. If a man's ding- ding, is being rubbed dry, by his drawers, he has options:

    A. Get underwear made of softer material.
    B. Try some fabric softener
    C. Lotion your dick. That is what shea butter is really for (lotion purposes)
    D. All of the above.

    Too many dudes are lamenting about not having a foreskin. If it is that bad, go to the Doctor, and get foreskin reconstruction surgery. About 25-30 years ago, there was a dude on the Sally Jessy Raphael Show;
    and he was complaining how bad his life was, sans foreskin. He got his foreskin reconstructed. He had to spend six weeks, with his penis sewn to his leg, so the skin graft could work. No shit! Smh.
    :-t
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    One thing that @Ehm mentioned is the biological curiosity of us men having erotic response in our asses.   I long ago wrote about that, envisioning that in way earlier times of our natural history, perhaps dominant males subordinated less dominate by fucking them. The orgasmic response in the fucked was a way to gain favor with the fucker, because the receiver's orgasmic contractions in turn cause great pleasure in the penetrator.

    I had those thoughts after a particularly intense orgasmic session in which the feeling of getting fucked was very tangible.  I could not understand how I could have such a strong response without having been evolved to perform that way.

    However, the thing that somewhat undermines this speculation is exactly how miraculous the aneros is as an invention.   From what i have learned on this forum, from the writings of gay guys, intense multiple orgasm from gay receptive anal intercourse is rare.   We take it for granted because we have been rewired.  But that rewiring seems to be a consequence of the Aneros training, not something that occurs "in nature" very commonly.

    To me, the mystery is:  
    1) has there been a time long ago in our natural history when males had anal/prostate orgasms?   

    2) When was the first male in our lineage to receive anal intercourse?  

    3) When was the first male in our lineage to have an anal orgasm?  

    4) Is the Aneros a novel development in our natural history, such that it greatly eases the way to having anal orgasms, and, if so, is it just a biological coincidence that our bodies can do this?

    Darwin
  • ineverknewineverknew
    Posts: 860
    @Pspotsquirter, yeast infections can easily be avoided by bathing properly, its called washing yo dick! lol  I dont personally miss my forskin that was cut off as I dont know any differently as you mentioned but I still think its unnecessary.  There are actually devices you can wear that slowly stretch the skin over the penis head restoring your foreskin.  Surgery seems drastic!  
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    @ineverknew, washing your dick is futile if your wife isn't as meticulous; I fought an infection for over 10 years, so the surgery was a relief.

    The only thing I miss is the ability to squeeze out the last urine from the urethra, like I could with a foreskin. The added friction in intercourse overpowers the loss of sensitivity before circumcision, because the foreskin was so long, my penis just rolled in and out of it, dulling the ability to feel much of anything.