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Alternative method for those who have yet to succeed with aneros.
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    I've taken quite a long break from using the Aneros to focus on KSMO. I love you guys and haven’t forgotten you. I’ve returned to share what I’ve learned on this forked path: I will discuss how one might benefit from prostate-milking sessions as a supplement to your Aneros/KSMO session and challenge some common beliefs. Be mindful of my words as this is mostly speculation and have not yet come to a grand conclusion with solid facts and information.

    I think some of us have forgotten that the journey is more important than the destination, waiting for the day you have your first dry o as you take in all the information on the forum, which basically says, “use only your Aneros because anything else will distract you from your rewiring.” Start listening to your body and use others’ beliefs and information only as a comparative tool. Keep what matches, discard what doesn’t, explore and experiment. Enjoy the process rather than getting disheartened with lack of "required" results you read on the forum. I feel that I am on to something that may help some of you.

    Let's start this off with an Xtube video (not by me): Milking my prostate "It seems people like my milking vids, so I will keep posting! This one has a really big flow due to ~10 days without massage.... Enjoy, and comments always welcome!" Products used (I believe): Lucid Dream No 14 G-Spot Purple, Raging Hard-Ons Manhandle

    Challenging the common method of aneros use

    If you're like me, you've used the aneros for a while and have repeatedly read: Leave the penis alone, be careful as you might cum with a slight caress to the penis, don't manually use the Aneros, don’t use a vibrator on your prostate. This is great advice and should be followed in most cases! However, you should ask yourself if these statements currently apply to you at your level of rewiring. Maybe a little experimentation is in order. Plus, not all vibrators are the same. A gentle and rumbly vibrator will be better than a harsh buzzy one. (Note: Using a vibrator directly on the prostate is on my to-do list).

    In the past, I’ve attempted to milk my prostate but was frustrated because of what I believed to be true: milking lead to producing only pre-cum and that I shouldn't touch my penis in this process. If I deviated from this in any way, I believed I was just ejaculating slowly and losing arousal.

    First of all, it's important to know what fluid is what.

    Bulbourethral: Clear and stringy, also called pre-cum. The little I produced and let dry on my finger, I hardly noticed it was there until adding water. Seems unable to reconstitute well.

    Prostatic: Clear to milky. Can feel it constricting skin if left to dry. Reconstitutes well with water. If you retro-ejaculate and then urinate, you will notice large sustaining bubbles. It’s like soap in that it becomes frothy-white if agitated. To test the difference between this and urine is simple. Rub a tiny bit between two fingers and see if you get a white spot. Urine does not do this.

    Seminal: White, thick, smelly. Clings to itself and turns to jelly in liquids. Dries crusty.

    I don't think it's possible to predict what fluid and what amount will be produced for a given person at a given time. We are all unique. Those who are big producers of pre-cum are lucky. Perhaps the rest of us are lucky in other areas of fluid. Some of us may need to use the penis as a training wheel. After experimenting with stimulating the penis during the manual prostate massage, I produced a tiny bit of semen, lots of prostatic fluid, and variable amounts of pre-cum. It was fairly easy not to crest over the ejaculatory edge.

    Here’s what I did: Tape a nice rumbly bullet vibe to penis (Clearly Sensual Vibe Ring) not too close to the frenelum while using the Progasm to manually put pressure (sometimes vigorous in/out, sometimes slow firm) on the prostate. I would produce fluids whenever I was near ejaculation (because of the vibe), but would not let myself go over the edge (would turn on/off vibe). I did this three days consecutively: twice by myself (producing plenty of fluid) and the third day with my wife (not as successful, but I did produce. We didn’t have the right tool. Maybe something used in the above video would help.) Obviously we must exercise caution when doing this.

    What’s my point to all of this?:

    After the milking session with my wife I was a bit confused as my arousal seemed to go down. I thought maybe this milking thing was causing me to leak arousal after all…This is probably just evidence of a natural tendency for pleasure to come and go, because…I woke up this morning (and still am) feeling P-waves, getting constant erections, feeling all sorts of good pleasure with unusual nipple sensitivity. While in bed I stimulated my nipples and thought I was going to cum! I don’t think I’ve ever been more aroused.

    It’s been 7 days since my last ejaculatory orgasm. I’ve also been using KSMO. I've been pretty sensitive for a few days now. (wow, I just had to get out of my computer chair because I couldn’t focus on typing due to P-waves/pelvic pleasure; I’m very sensitive right now and feel my heart beating!)

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    short digression from topic:
    I used to think I should leave my penis alone when (not during ksmo/aneros session) I’m feeling all this pleasure and just let my body do its thang. That’s good and all, but… what if this self control is actually slowing the rewiring progress? This morning I finally decided to stimulate my penis while feeling all this pleasure. Never before has P-waves occurred so closely together with penile stimulation. Usually I think penile stimulation causes P-waves to go away… maybe I’m wrong! Now I’m touching it mindfully when I feel that strong desire, but not as a way to get nearer to an orgasm.
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    Here's my point: I think all this stuff that is happening is because of KSMO and not ejaculating. HOWEVER! I am better able to stave off wet-o / refractory period because I release prostatic fluid, which, when built up, may be causing those torturous feelings of a desparate need to have a wet-o, the "penis-itch." If you milk instead of having a wet-o, you can stay at the peak of arousal without feeling tortured. This may be an alternative to ejaculating before sex to last longer. You can remain ultra-sensitive.

    SO! Prostate milking may help you stave off a wet-o so you can progress more easily with the Aneros by always having high arousal. Also, even though I need to stimulate my penis (so-called-training-wheels) to produce fluid, maybe this handicap will go away in time... or maybe it's just a unique feature about me. Anway, it's highly sensual and pleasurable, and you may feel relieved afterwards.
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Yesterday, that torturous feeling returned and so I just had to do an afternoon milking session. Afterwards, my arousal again seemed to drop... For being in super-arousal mode for so long, it really was a relief to have arousal drop some. Like a sleeping dragon, I could tell I was still aroused, just not feeling the effects. I was about to brush my teeth when the first P-wave-bomb hit. Soon after, I felt a bombing raid of strong pleasure and constant erections; the strongest pleasure I've felt yet (sometimes it felt like I was being stimulated by a phantom Aneros). Also, my balls were sexually sensitive for the first time! In the past there's no way I could have fought the temptation to bring myself over the edge, but I believe prostate milking removed the droning "penis-itch."

    I just remembered an incident in the past I was very disheartened about. One night I was feeling all sorts of awesome pleasure throughout my anus & penis. The next night it seemed that all the pleasure went away and what remained was a torturous-radiating penis-itch; so I caved. I had a depressing thought that this was the inevitable limitation to my arousal and pleasure. I hope that I've found the solution to this problem with prostate milking.
  • cyrezcyrez
    Posts: 109
    Wow, that is so cool man...looks like you finally found the key =) Congratz... I wish i knew how to milk myself...im always dying from that 'penis itch'..drives me crazy
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Korkelz, :)

    Thank you for starting this thread, and discussing your experiments, and observations. It's always good to discuss methods and new ideas. We all learn from each other.


    Start listening to your body and use others’ beliefs and information only as a comparative tool. Keep what matches, discard what doesn’t, explore and experiment. Enjoy the process rather than getting disheartened with lack of "required" results you read on the forum.

    This is a really key observation! It's really easy for those of us, me included, that have been doing this for a while, to dish out advice and ideas to help without making it a point to say that these are just guidelines. Ultimately every guy's Aneros journey is unique, and they will have to experiment to find what works for them.


    I went through a point of time in my journey where I to thought it was necessary to stimulate my penis during Aneros sessions to produce amazing pleasurable sensations. Ultimately that was a dead end but necessary learning lesson for me. I no longer need to do that to create pleasurable sensations, and it takes away from or kills the yummy pleasurable prostate and anal sensations that occur, unless I'm aiming to have an occasional super-T. As long as we are open minded, pay attention to sensations, and experiment during the sessions, I don't think there is anything we experience on this journey that is not helpful in the long run whether it is a dead or not towards achieving super-O's. It's all part of learning about our bodies responses.


    I think all this stuff that is happening is because of KSMO and not ejaculating. HOWEVER! I am better able to stave off wet-o / refractory period because I release prostatic fluid, which, when built up, may be causing those torturous feelings of a desparate need to have a wet-o. If you milk instead of having a wet-o, you can stay at the peak of arousal without feeling that desparate need.

    This contradicts some of my own understanding. I thought that by learning to separate orgasm and ejaculation via the Aneros toys, one could learn to have multiple and prolonged prostate based orgasms without the refractory period that typically kills arousal after ejaculation. My understanding of prostate milking, although not from personal experience, that is used in the BDSM context is to deny the man orgasm by forcing just the ejaculation to occur with no orgasm, hence no pleasure. Then the refractory period sets in and the mans arousal dies as does his ability to likely get erect or orgasm for a period of time. I do know for myself, that after having an ejaculatory orgasm, this is indeed what the refractory period does to me.


    I think it is good that you are exploring and discovering your own body and it's responses. I'd be curious to know what would happen if you tried to get past those feelings of needing to ejaculate without actually doing so.


    Certainly using ejaculation to kill unwanted super-arousal or any form of uncontrollable super-O's or P-waves is certainly a known technique here in the forums. Although most guys like me that are still trying to achieve super-O's don't purposely use that trick.


    (Note: Using a vibrator directly on the prostate is on my to-do list).

    So you didn't try using the vibrator built in to the Lucid Dream No 14 G-Spot Purple?


    Love_is
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Hey Love_is, thank you so much for your response. I've been waiting eagerly to hear from knowledgeable people like yourself to dispute my claims.

    So you didn't try using the vibrator built in to the Lucid Dream No 14 G-Spot Purple?

    Are you thinking I'm the one in the video? Sorry, that is not me! It's just a random dood on Xtube.

    I went through a point of time in my journey where I to thought it was necessary to stimulate my penis during Aneros sessions to produce amazing pleasurable sensations. Ultimately that was a dead end...

    Indeed! But I believe there is something to be said about the method of stimulating the penis during Aneros use. Electro-stimulation and bullet vibes provide hands-free constant pleasure that can be set to a level where it never gives you an orgasm for the sake of Aneros use. I'd say it wouldn't hurt to deviate from traditional Aneros use once in a while. What does hurt is experiencing a loss of arousal due to a traditional o refractory period, especially during an Aneros session. Lastly, I can't say whether or not stimulating my penis during milking sessions means I will always require the penis. However, I have a hunch that I may be rewiring for prostate pleasure as I milk. It's also possible that KSMO helps; I'm not using the Aneros (traditionally) these days, so I can't say if any prostate rewiring is going on.

    My understanding of prostate milking, although not from personal experience, that is used in the BDSM context is to deny the man orgasm by forcing just the ejaculation to occur with no orgasm, hence no pleasure. Then the refractory period sets in and the mans arousal dies as does his ability to likely get erect or orgasm for a period of time.

    Maybe it's possible to overdue prostate milking to the point of refractory period. What I focus on is producing prostate fluid. After producing a good amount, I stop (I inevitably produce a little semen. My hypothesis is that maybe if I overmilked myself, I'd produce lots of semen and have a refractory period). After milking, the super-arousal symptoms leave as mentioned previously, but later it returns without the penis-itch... which I believe is caused by a build-up prostate fluid. Also, I don't know how you can milk the prostate without pleasure.

    I feel like I'm finally assembling all my knowledge and personal experiences like a jig-saw puzzle. I made a poll What happens to your arousal after a wet dream? I created this poll to answer the question, "Why, after ejaculating due to a wet dream, I do not experience refractory period, but rather become more aroused?" I believe the answer is this: In the dream I feel like I'm ejaculating and having involuntary contractions when in real life I am simply oozing prostate fluid. In all the wet dreams I've had, I do not recall semen nor do I remember ever actually having contractions in real life, yet I usually wake up in the middle or end of the orgasm.

    I'd be curious to know what would happen if you tried to get past those feelings of needing to ejaculate without actually doing so.

    I know exactly what happens:
    -After every urination I leak cum and get erections making it difficult to urinate (difficulty easily overcome by applying pressure above pubic bone on bladdar.)
    -Some nights I wake up with intense pleasure and leaking prostate fluid, pre-cum, and traces of semen.
    -If I last long enough I have an awesome wet dream.
    -Eventually I can no longer handle the penis itch and I cave. All wonderful pleasure is lost and I become somewhat depressed. I've never lasted long enough to have two wet dreams between traditional o.

    Prostate milking prevents all this from happening (so far as I know). I do like the wet dreams and leaking cum, but prostate milking makes up for it in that I feel the most intense and lasting pleasure I've ever felt before. I'm always feeling P-waves. If the penis is not kept in my pants, it'll become erect or simply remain inflated for long periods of time, all occurring alongside pleasure (not to mention the actual pleasure of the milking process). All this without torture of desperately wanting to have some kind of orgasmic release.

    Certainly using ejaculation to kill unwanted super-arousal or any form of uncontrollable super-O's or P-waves is certainly a known technique here in the forums. Although most guys like me that are still trying to achieve super-O's don't purposely use that trick.

    So that is why I suggest prostate milking as the alternative way to solve the penis-itch, prevent refractory period, and allow us to get past this stumbling block that is preventing us from achieving new heights of arousal.
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Wow, once again all morning I was shivering and (silently) moaning, throbbing erections, P-waves, feeling like I might leak... I dozed off at one point and dreamed that I ran to the bathroom as I spontaneously started dripping cum, felt quite good as well. Even when I really made conscious effort to try to ignore such feelings (for sleeping), I would have a moment of sexual silence followed by a glowing and teasing of sexual pleasure that I could not escape!

    Edit: Wait a minute, did I experience a visual? For a moment I swear I saw a simple animation of a black outline of a curvy woman walking toward me. Not getting closer, just in motion. It was similar to how one would "visualize" something in their mind, except it was more substantial, dream-like. Also, I've been looking at sex toys recently and so images of sex toys and usage were flashing through my head and it seemed to be followed by P-waves and pelvic pleasure. I feel like all this is because of extreme arousal.
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Interesting milking session, wife was in charge of my penis stimulation which caused me to go too close to the edge and I dripped seminal fluid. I didn't experience a refractory period, however, my arousal is definitely lower today than previous days, but nothing to get down about. I got a good night's rest as a result! This just comes to show how we can control our arousal without dumping it out completely.

    I just had a thought: I could wait till fluid starts to drip out on its own before doing a milking session; just takes a bit of self control to last to that point. A little torture is not a bad thing!

    The idea that we can release prostate fluid to allow arousal to flourish without the uncontrollable desire to ejaculate is revolutionary, in my opinoin! I feel that I've put the pieces of the puzzle together to say my claims are correct. It answers questions about male sexuality. Why so few responses to this thread? Maybe I didn't title it correcltly, it probably should be titled How to keep arousal high. Ah well, it's all good.

    Unless any of you have better ideas, we can let this thread die and I'll repost it in a week or two with (what I think to be) conclusive information, formatted more clearly, topic more focused, etc. I just think a lot of people struggle with this and would like to hear this information. But maybe that's just me!
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 818
    Korkelz,

    Yes, you mis-titled the thread, but I don't think that's the main reason guys aren't commenting.

    Many guys, especially those under 40, struggle with excess arousal, not a dearth of it. I know I do and I'm kind of old. There are 20-somethings on this site who say they ejac 3 times a day and I believe them. The milking technique you talk about is great for guys who want to maintain a high state of arousal but normally can't.

    In any case, your posts have been interesting and worthwhile.

    Best Regards,

    Dave
  • gilbertgilbert
    Posts: 10
    Interesting thread Korkelz. Waiting for some folloow ups ;)
  • I asked for something like this and thank you for this. I just wanted to know some details about prostate massage.Only if you could still put a link to the video that practically's see how it looks.