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Why isn't Vaseline your primary lubricant?
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Stop me if I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just used nothing but Vaseline for lubricating the aneros and it was way better and more convenient than Flaxseed homeade lube (cause you have to make it, and it's difficult to work with), Slippery Stuff... no need to do any pre-lube or shooting, stays slippery much longer than anything I've tried in the past, extremely easy to work with...

    Am I missing something... is Vaseline a bad idea or.. ?

    Edit: Oh, and I'm using the Progasm.
  • cyrezcyrez
    Posts: 109
    The reason why people dont like vaseline (i think it) is because it's petrolium based. Yea, it's one of the million things that comes from that black icky thing called crude oil, and some users wonders about the health aspect of using petroliumbased lubricants up your ass. The thing with the rectal wall is that it is designed to absorb nutrients from the solutions contained within (that's how we get food into our system), so pretty much anything you stuck up there will end up in your bloodstream, and some users prefer to use products thats not petrolium or silica based, others dont mind as much. There is a bunch of topic discussing the harmfullness of different things, just search for it
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,253
    Korkelz,

    A number of users DO use Vaseline petroleum jelly as their personal lubricant and I have not read any reports alleging negative consequences from such use. However, as has often been discussed on this Forum, Aneros owners are a unique collection of users who are taking in these various compounds for prolonged periods of time on a regular basis. As far as I know such usage has not been scientifically studied hence our concern for long term health effects. As an alternative to Vaseline, I personally use Natural Jelly, not only for its all natural ingredients but also for the ability to easily adjust the viscosity of the mix to my desired consistency.
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Understood, thanks!
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Korkelz, :)

    I can understand why you found such a profound difference in performance going from flax seed lube to vaseline. I found the flax seed lube nice in texture, but a real failure in how quickly it dries externally on the anus and gets absorbed internally. I don't use petroleum based lubes for the very reasons mentioned by cyrez and rumel. What I use is unrefined 100% shea butter that is pale yellow to white in color (This is a natural plant based oil). Reference the main shea butter thread if you are unfamiliar with this.
    http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/unrefined-shea-butter-how-much-12757/

    This has been my primary lube for many years now. And I suspect it performs very similarly to natural jelly and vaseline. When melted at body temperature, it's consistency is like a heavy oil. And there is never a need to re-lube as it does not dry out.

    What you use for lube just depends on your beliefs, and how what you have tried performs. So the whole lube subject tends to be quite individual like in what people choose to use.

    Love_is
  • rickg
    Posts: 94
    I have been using Shea butter since I got my Helix and Progasm. I think it works great, smells nice and lasts. Also, I use it for intercourse with wife.
  • I started with KY, moved to astroglide, tried some silicone based and water based lubes and finally settled in with Vaseline. I'm curious about Shea Butter and Abalone but not enough that I have tried them yet.

    Perhaps a mix of using a condom to contain the vaseline and a natural lube on the outside would make a safe mixture of lubrication.

    Hmmm... I wonder if I can make this happen tonight?
  • cyrezcyrez
    Posts: 109

    [QUOTE=rickg;93944]I have been using Shea butter since I got my Helix and Progasm. I think it works great, smells nice and lasts. Also, I use it for intercourse with wife.
    Using a oil based product during intercouse is a really bad idea, it coats the whole vagina with a thin layer of oil, that can disrupt the very delicate pH-balance of the area. This can easily make the area more susceptible to yeast infections, which are incredibly uncomfortable, itchy, and painful.

    While shea is wonderful anally, it can cause lots of problems for your significant other if used during intercourse
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,603
    [QUOTE=mobilesub;93947]I started with KY, moved to astroglide, tried some silicone based and water based lubes and finally settled in with Vaseline. I'm curious about Shea Butter and Abalone but not enough that I have tried them yet.

    Perhaps a mix of using a condom to contain the vaseline and a natural lube on the outside would make a safe mixture of lubrication.

    Hmmm... I wonder if I can make this happen tonight?

    session length suitable for Aneros + latex condom + vaseline = shreaded condom and some discomfort! Might work with a polyisoprene or polyurethane condom.
  • Badger
    Posts: 647
    I used to use Vaseline on the Aneros, which kept it slippery and very easy to clean, but I noticed that if I had many overnighters, that apparently, the mucus glands in the anus wouldn't produce much, if any mucus, and it would take for-ev-er to wipe myself clean after a BM. Seriously, on those small rolls of TP, it would take 1/4 - 1/3 of a roll of TP before I'd be clean, using 3-sheets at a time. It was tedious as well as tiresome, not to mention what all that wiping would do to my butt. So now I just use my Slippery Stuff Gel on everything, and it's all good.
  • Liam9
    Posts: 25
    Does vaseline make you want to go to bathroom as well?

    I tried it with my progasm, and it made me feel like I wanted to go to the bath room during the session aswell as the next day. Needless to say I stop using it and went to boybutter,
  • Bobby B
    Posts: 27
    My adversity to Vaseline is that it's not safe to use with condoms for "regular" sex. I can never get that out of my head.
  • One of my favorite lubes,which interestingly I haven't heard any mention of on the forum is my own pre-cum.Luckily I produce alot of pre-cum when I get turned on,so all I do is spend about 10minutes looking at some porn or even just thinking about my upcomming session then I have produced more than enough pre-cum to lube my anus and the Aneros,It's very exciting using your own pre-cum as lube and also very effective.Even the progasm slides in easily when lubed with pre-cum.
    I recommend you guys try it and let us know how you get on.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello Anal fun, :)

    This has been discussed before. Unfortunately it was long enough ago that it was difficult to find with the dysfunctional forum search tool that spits out results based on most current date first, and then relevancy. I had to go through pages and pages of search results to find it. But it is an interesting read.
    http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/ultimate-aneros-lubricant-its-free-12836/

    If it works for you great, but I suspect that most Aneros users don't produce enough to even attempt this.

    Love_is
  • Korkelz
    Posts: 294
    Yep, most people (or at least me) only produce a few drips in a few hours, and encouraging people to try it is depressing because they know they can't... :(

    BUT... I'm making progress in my journey, so I'm still happy! I also suspect that in the future I will learn the secret to producing lots of pre-cum.
  • Thanks for the link Love_is,interesting read.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    i currently inject albolene using the syrninge that comes with baby ibuprofen. the syringe is oil-compatible and thin for easy insertion. holds about 2ml.

    i am not so worried about albolene being petro based, as i don't think it will be absorbed in my rectum more than on the skin, and it has been in use on the skin forever.

    on the other hand, my lube mantra has always been: if it ain't edible it ain't assable.

    so... has anybody tried crisco?

    darwin
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,603
    [QUOTE=darwin;94025] ...... snip ......

    so... has anybody tried crisco? .... darwin

    Ass a matter of fact, yes.

    Good when I want something that will adhere to a short tool and avoid a pre-lube routine. Not for something like the Progasm unless it's a tool lube to accompany some pre-lube.

    Originally suggested by our Urologist when we started with the Helix as a foreplay and intercourse toy. (As a newbie to Aneros, I had been over-lubing with K-Y and had caused my wife an e-coli infection when lube had worked its way down my balls and shaft.)

    Crisco isn't my first choice of anal lube however, I use it with the Peridise or de-tailed SGX for foreplay, Tai Chi or yoga.

    The melting point seems to be just above body temp so it's not 'runny' and it adheres to the surface texture of the Peridise and SGX.

    OTOH, for pure anal fun with the Peridise, Crisco 'hides' some of the texture of the Peridise from my nerve endings -- Shea is my preference when I crave max sensation from the texture.

    While there are some trans-fats from the hydrogenation of vegetable fats I figure I'm better off than with animal proteins or petro-carbons.
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    ok, i'll pick up some crisco and try injecting it.

    i have found it is easy to stuff a syringe full of a thick lube like vasoline or albolene by getting a fingertip full and pressing it in there. i much prefer that to coating, which loses most lube outside the door.

    the first test i plan on giving crisco is an ol' hand-and-penis routine, to see how it lasts, and compare w/ the fabled albolene.

    darwin
  • i use a light coat of vaseline on my progasm - plus a tiny amount of some warm foamed dove on insertion, and precum which i produce in fairly copious amounts when turned on or during sex or foreplay ...

    butt for intercourse i use just precum and sometimes some saliva - ideally hers

    i have recently learned of (and tried) hyaluronic acid (sodium hyaluronate) which is a viscous pharmaceutical grade gel available by prescription ...

    it is indeed absorbed - butt it's effects are beneficial

    ... orthopedists actually inject it into joints - and veterinarians have horses ingest it to relieve inflamed joints - and it's used in dermatologic lubricants and moisturizing products

    it's a great non-greasy gel that my wife uses on her face - a tiny amount goes a long way

    ... the stuff is not cheap, butt since it's a generic brand she gets it for minimum copay on a dermatologist's Rx

    check the shit out on google

    - rip
    :D
  • ten_s_nutten_s_nut
    Posts: 816
    Hi, Kork.

    I think you know I use Vaseline coated with Walnut Oil. Vaseline by itself doesn't feel slippery enough for me. Vaseline doesn't seem to get absorbed; it's still there the next morning. The Walnut Oil does get absorbed, but it's good for you. :)

    Cheers,

    Dave
  • [QUOTE=ten_s_nut;100244]Hi, Kork.

    I think you know I use Vaseline coated with Walnut Oil. Vaseline by itself doesn't feel slippery enough for me. Vaseline doesn't seem to get absorbed; it's still there the next morning. The Walnut Oil does get absorbed, but it's good for you. :)

    Cheers,

    Dave

    hey dave and kork -

    the ten-s-nut is right (as he so often is) - vaseline is not absorbed and its viscosity and tenaciousness makes it a great base with which to sparingly coat yer aneros ...

    the vaseline can be washed off with hot water and soap/detergent - same goes for albolene

    ... and taking a shit clears it outta yer ass - but ya don't wanna load of it up yer butt (unless mebbe u got internal hemorrhoid problems) - nor is it good for pussy

    vaseline also weakens rubber and latex

    ... butt IMO it is the greatest base coating for most toys - particularly if they're gonna be inside yer body for any appreciable length of time

    a healthy lube - since it IS gonna get absorbed - like precum, olive oil, walnut and some other oils do the real lubin'

    - rip
    :D