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How to make love all night(and drive women wild)
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    When I downloaded this book years ago I thought I'd found the holy grail. In the same collection was Mantak Chia and Tantra at tahoe more or less propagating the same technique; at the point of no return squeeze the pc muscle hard breath in deeply for about 10 sec and then if all goes well you'll experience 10 sec of contractions but no ejaculation.
    I wasn't succesful but thru the serendiptous worldwideweb I found Aneros and KSMO and achieved the mmo by other means.
    I purchased a cunt not that long ago so I thought I'd give this method another go, despite being completely aware of my pc muscle and really being able to squeeze it hard, when the contractions come it's like I loose all strength and ejaculate.

    When using the Aneros I guess the real pleasure is in the passive receptive, sure you can blend a bit by shifting your focus but IMO it's basically a female orgasm. This is what makes the mmo thru the pc method all the more compelling.
    As male you basically have both a receptive as an active side, a true blend would have to be divine!
    Perhaps this is what women feel when they give birth, it's in fact the only time they give/are active and passive at the same time.....creation of new life....divine

    Mother Earth
    Father Sky

    MATERialism,not just instinctively bound but also biologically, this is perhaps why the Buddha was extremely reluctant to allow women to become monks, perhaps this is why those who seek the spiritual path must remain celibate. Perhaps it's the realisation that males are both male and female that thru this union in oneself one is, as in a microcosm, in touch with divinity.....a truely mystical experience......

    With the Aneros I feel I'm close, but as mentioned above it's too feminine to be complete, my guess is that perhaps this technique would be the icing on the cake....not and/or, but and AND

    Nah, but I would want to fuck all night long and experience mo's the active way(penile).

    Anyone get any tips?

    BTW when I sneeze I can't hold the pc either, I guess with me it's with any automatic reflex.
    Has anyone been succesful with this method or is it just a waste of sperm?
  • burtwad
    Posts: 10
    Hello, Helixer, i've experimented with this method before getting aneros. And even though I've had limited success with it, I think it is possible to achieve this. I did not do it exactly by the book, I did not do any of those exercises, I just extended my regular sessions with longer edging, and then finished it off with a pc squeeze. For me it only works if I squeeze the pc muscle and have enough control not to allow the contractions that push out semen to happen. If even one contraction happens, the semen enters the urethra and the refractory period kicks in. I've had about 3 or 4 successful sessions where I could orgasm twice in a row without actually having a refractory period, meaning that my arousal after the orgasm did not go down to zero, it returned to the plateau level instead, but for me this method drains strength pretty quickly, because you have to be really tense and the clenching prolongs the ejaculatory orgasm by quite a bit. If I manage to hold it out, instead of disappearing quickly coupled with the feeling of release with the first pumps of semen, it slowly tapers off to pre-orgasmic levels of arousal whereupon I can follow it up with another one. As I've mentioned before, achieving this is quite hard for me, but it might just be, that I'm doing it wrong.

    I don't know if any this is going to help you in any way, but good luck with it.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    The method in the book you keep stimulating/fucking while squeezing your pc hard, what you describe sounds more like edging and stopping just before the point of no return. I do that sometimes but strangely enough it only works when I don't squeeze my pc, when I squeeze it pushes me right over the edge. But if I stop stimulation and relax I feel like I'm cumming without ejaculating as well, but the point is in contrast to a real mmo you just plateau it doesn't get any better, you just reach that point sooner and sooner.
    IMO with a real mmo the orgasm itself would get better and better and also with this in contrast with the Aneros it would be both active( dickstimulation) and passive(the inner awareness of ever increasing orgasms).
  • burtwad
    Posts: 10
    Definitely not edging, I edge up until to build up arousal, with or without squeezing the pc, doesn't matter, I squeeze right at the moment I pass the point of no return and this is where I have to hold it out, trying not to let the contractions that pump the semen out happen while experiencing the orgasm. Most of those exercises in the book are kind of meant to teach you to recognize the PONR, that's why the masturbating with the squeezes and doing it slow is suggested, it allows you to train yourself to sense your arousal, and to recognize when you reach the PONR. I could already do that because of my edging practices. The book teaches you to avoid the refractory period, and the only ways to do that is either not to ejaculate or be one of the lucky few men who don't have it. During my research I've read of many ways to do this, and the PC squeeze method seems to be the brute force one, but also the easiest one to understand. And yes it is hard to do, you do need to clamp down on it like vice grips and stop any stimulation.

    I don't know about the orgasms getting better and better, maybe they do when you master this and get good at it enough to do it unconsciously, if possible at all. I've dabbled with this at best and the effort/gain ratio didn't satisfy me, and as I've mentioned I've only managed to have only 2 consecutive orgasms(and those were orgasms, not edging, I can tell when go over PONR) without loss of arousal in a row, meaning I could not hold it clamped hard enough and ejaculated on the second one. I could speculate that if you get good enough at this method to stop ejaculation with every orgasm, maybe then you can get the "each better than the last" thing you're talking about.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Perhaps I misunderstood that you stop stimulation when you reach PONR; this is verbatim from the book:


    [B]Now here's the tricky part. This time you are going to resume thrusting past Level 9, all the way to your point of inevitability. (Remember that's the psychological point where it becomes clear to you that ejaculation is going to happen, no matter what.) As soon as you hit your point of no return, squeeze your PC muscle as hard as you can for ten seconds and open
    [/B]
    [B]your eyes. Take a really deep breath. Now keep thrusting! Don't stop!
    [/B]

    The way I understand this is that you keep thrusting while you're doing all this, but maybe you're right and you should stop thrusting till the contractions stop
    I've been practising the pc muscles every time I have a break about a week now...at least 20 short as hard as I can and at least 10 of the slowly squeezing as hard as I can for 5 secs and holding the squeeze at least 5 sec. Give it another week and try again

    Still, IMO this practise is a good complementary exercise with the Aneros. I like to exhaust my pc muscle before I start my Aneros session and then use subtle contractions during my session....the sensations that took me an hour before to achieve come much quicker now(15-30 minutes)

    BTW: so you actually feel the involuntary contractions but you're able to hold on and keep squeezing your pc muscle hard?


  • burtwad
    Posts: 10
    You can continue with stimulation, but I find it that stopping helps with holding the squeeze sometimes as stimulation tends to promote the contractions. Also the contractions themselves are a somewhat chaotic process, I feel when they're happening, and sometimes I manage to hold out, sometimes not so lucky, sometimes I don't even get them at all, especially when I edge up to the point where I can go through PONR just by deep stomach breathing (that is by the way how I got my first and best success with this).

    All in all I'm not yet able to get any consistent results with this and it is sometimes hard to tell if it's the technique working or if it's just my rather short refractory period.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    *UPDATE*

    I was able to hold my squeeze, I placed my finger behind my balls so I could feel the contractions(seemed to go on even longer than the 10 secs),nothing came out BUT the head of my penis was too sensitive to continue stimulation, it was AS IF I ejaculated, thus there's still apparently a refractory period.

    Mantak Chia says about the retrograde ejaculation to press the 3 fingers(down hard) closer to the anus next time, which is strange as I thought I wasn't really pressing hard with my 2 fingers. It was only really to feel the contractions better so I'd know when to stop the pc contractions. Sure I aided the contractions with my fingers but I wasn't pressing down hard.

    Oh well,on a positive note I didn't have to clean anything up but unfortunately the semen won't be retained either as I'll probably piss it out.

    I guess I'm either pressing to late or not hard enough, it was kind of cool though, a milestone, the first time I've held the involunatary contractions without ANY semen coming out, I feel I'm getting close, that soon I can hold the contractions without my glans becoming sensitive.

    It did help though burtwad, stopping stimulation and squeezing. I guess you have to start somewhere, it makes sense it would be harder if you continue stimulation. Next time hopefully I'll be able to continue after the 10 sec contractions. After that the goal will be to not even stop stimulation but to continue while the contractions are occurring. That would be really something
  • burtwad
    Posts: 10
    Yes, this is exactly why it is hard to use this technique, sometimes even though nothing comes out, you still get the refractory period, I've been trying to figure this out for quite a while now with no success. This exact same thing happens to me all the time.
  • HelixerHelixer
    Posts: 566
    Do you use your fingers at all to aid the pc contractions? Or just the pc muscle?
    Perhaps try the Mantak Chia suggestion next time.

    Still, it should be possible by contracting only the pc, but maybe it would be easier with the aide of 3 fingers pressing down as well. I had my fingers close to my balls, next time I'll see what happens when I move them more towards my anus....I think once you know where to place the emphasis with the contractions, perhaps it's a very subtle difference, just slightly wrong.

    Anyways I feel encouraged by this, that I'm very close, perhaps a matter of weeks before I've mastered this one....fingers crossed