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  • I received the MGX last week and started using it. Let me say that I'm not trying to set the world on fire immediately, like everyone on here tells you not to do. My concern, however, is that the only way I feel anything to speak of is to push on the handle. Once I do this, I began having sensations in the end on my penis. Once I let go, I don't feel much. Also, I am not experiencing any of the prostate fluid most people mention.

    Do you guys think I may want to get a Helix since it is a bit longer, or should I give this some more time?

    Any replies and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
  • thhn
    Posts: 425
    it's way too soon to start considering another model. Give it some time.... get several sessions under your belt and keep posting on the fourmn
    best of luck
  • This is a marathon not a sprint. Have you read the Wiki? Lots of great suggestions there. My spouse has fingered me for years and the first time she did, it was a total surprise and I spilled my sauce pretty quickly, so I knew there was something to the whole Super O thing. My experience with Aneros was that it took several attempts before I started to think there was something to this, many more attempts before I knew there was something to it and then a bunch more attempts before I actually experienced it. Here's my tips, oft repeated:
    1. Warm the lube and the Aneros in hot water. It helps your insides relax.
    2. Pick the right lube. I use Probe (found at Walgreens) and coconut oil and little Alboline. The wrong lube can make you feel like you have to take a dump.
    3. Clean the pipes. Make sure you eat high fiber diet, empty the trash daily then use a rectal syringe and a couple shots of warm water to clear out any leftovers.
    4. Bring in the nipples. The nipples activate the prostate sensations automatically, every time for me.
    5. Practice regularly. Muscle tone helps and it takes time to develop muscle tone.
    6. Check out the forum regularly and ask questions. Lots of good suggestions and helpful people.

    You will get there. It will be worth it. Be patient. Don't jam it hard or clench down. Pay attention to the faint tickles and gentle sensations and watch them build to ecstasy. Enjoy!
  • rookrook
    Posts: 1,604
    Hi StarWars guy,
    Newguy8762's advice is right on and those basics got me moving on a good path (note there are no 'right' and 'wrong' paths.) thhn's advice in spending several weeks with the MGX are right on.

    Assuming you are average weight and height the MGX and Helix have a similar reach to the prostate. The mass, drag and balance are different. After a few sessions, spend a few minutes on your stomach. In that position I find the MGX a bit 'heavier' on my prostate than the Helix. The MGX is a bit 'fatter' in the stem and provides more lateral anal-rectal stim for me. I also get more pre-cum flow from the MGX than from the Helix -- not too important to me but some guys place a lot of importance on that.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    I've been trying it for only a little over two months (I use a Helix) and after the initial approximately 6 weeks of doing basic voluntary anal contractions during my sessions (albeit which helped the prostate congestion discomfort I bought it for in the first place) I discovered the difference it made to just completely relax for 10 or so minutes after insertion and then do slow, steady light anal contractions holding them for about 30 to 40 seconds then relaxing and deep breathing for 20 to 30 seconds and repeating the process. Within a few of these--especially if I'm lightly rubbing my nipples--I start feeling an unusual fluttering feeling in my anus when I'm contracting accompanied by a warm feeling that starts to rise in my penis. Within just a few more such contractions, the warm feeling gets even warmer and feels like it's actually trying to come out the end of my penis at which point involuntary contractions (muscle contractions that I don't consciously originate) pull the messager into my rectum strongly and I feel like a long slow orgasm inside my pelvis is occurring, but during which time either nothing or only a drop or two of clear secretions come out my uretha. Hope this helps.
  • You're right, slimjm. As it has been several sessions since my last major increase in sensation, I've managed to zero in on the key enabling factors.. and proper time spent relaxing and doing the breathing/contraction exercises is definitely one. Takes major patience though, as about halfway through the relaxation period I start feeling the slow pulse and tremors building up in my rectum, and I'm just itching to start contracting. :P
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    Kenobi:
    Join the club. I am another newbie going into my eighth week with my Helix, and for most of this time I have felt nothing either. You’re already ahead of me in that you feel something at the end of your penis. I suspect this is a subtle but clear sign that your MGX is touching the right spot. Interestingly I found another indirect indicator that I haven’t seen mentioned: When I get up to take a leak while the helix is in place, I find that touching the handle shuts off the stream, just like it was a valve on a coffee urn. Releasing it starts the stream again. I am assuming this is the result of pressure on the prostate squeezing the urethra, which runs right through it (who came up with that design?).

    There aren’t really any words that describe many of the various subtle bodily sensations we have, like the feeling we get that makes us need to yawn, or the feeling in the muscles when we stretch, or our jaw aching when we think of certain foods. For me, my prostate signals are still in this category. It seems that a big part of this journey is in learning to interpret as pleasurable sensations that all our lives we have been taking for granted.

    I envy all these lucky guys who have quick responses, because I’m not one of them. The feeling from pressing on the prostate is often described as a tingle, or an electric-like sensation, etc., but I have felt nothing like this, either from the prostate or the perineum. For some weeks all I felt was a dull pressure. Then it began to gradually assume a different feel, one that might be described as the beginning of pleasure, but not much more. More recently it has started up sooner, and the most I can say is that it suggests the promise of more to come. Never having gone through this before, I have no idea what is to come next, except from reading this amazing forum. If it weren’t for it, I and probably lots of other guys would have given up after the first four or five attempts. Instead, the knowledge of what lies ahead insures I will stick with it. One of the best results so far is that I can cause that feeling to start up at other times when the helix is not in place. Pelvic thrusts build the intensity.

    Slimjm, your routine is working well for me - the period of total relaxation, followed by very light contractions, focussing on the nearly undetectable sensation from the prostate, then trying to mentally amplify it. Then the long contraction, in my case I contract very slowly and keep increasing the pressure, then hold it. This gives time to mentally play with the sensation, and assure my skeptical brain that it feels good, it really does.

    But it can be elusive, it demands the right mindset. I have visualized it as being in a thick dark forest, chasing an impossibly beautiful butterfly flitting through the woods, briefly appearing then disappearing among the trees. It lands and flexes its wings, exposing its fantastic colors. I gaze in awe, wanting to approach but fearful that it will fly away again. I move forward for a closer look and suddenly it is back in the air and is nearly out of sight, and I follow, driven by something I cannot understand but know I must have.
  • Thanks Woodsman and everyone else for your input.

    My original concern is still that I do not feel anything to speak of UNTIL I push on the handle, which I believe puts the MGX in more direct with the prostate. Unless I do this, I don't really get any pleasant or "exciting" sensations.
  • Woodsman said:

    But it can be elusive, it demands the right mindset. I have visualized it as being in a thick dark forest, chasing an impossibly beautiful butterfly flitting through the woods, briefly appearing then disappearing among the trees. It lands and flexes its wings, exposing its fantastic colors. I gaze in awe, wanting to approach but fearful that it will fly away again. I move forward for a closer look and suddenly it is back in the air and is nearly out of sight, and I follow, driven by something I cannot understand but know I must have.



    That is indeed quite a poetic approach. Personally I just whip out my cache of adult magazines and start imagining the kinkiest sex my mind can fabricate. Unless you're speaking of relaxation, then.. I guess I just blank my thoughts.

    Congratulations though, if you now have the knowledge that you're getting sensory feedback from the Aneros, as subtle as it might be. It means you're on the right track, and ultimately cannot fail. :)
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    I went through the same thing, touching the handle out of frustration that I couldn't feel anything otherwise, but I now think that tends to overwhelm the process. For me at least, the path has been more in the other direction, extreme lightness of touch. I am focussing on very small contractions, which result in the prostate sensation I am trying to nourish. It seems contradictory, but it's working for me.
    Keep us informed.
  • [quote=Newbie-Wan Kenobi]Thanks Woodsman and everyone else for your input.

    My original concern is still that I do not feel anything to speak of UNTIL I push on the handle, which I believe puts the MGX in more direct with the prostate. Unless I do this, I don't really get any pleasant or "exciting" sensations.

    The important distinction is between the voluntary and involuntary contractions. To a person with average physical health, that direct contact with the prostate you speak of is not possible with voluntary contractions, not at least longer than few seconds, and probably with little to no pleasurable sensation. But with involuntary contractions - of which slimjm already spoke of - a steady, massaging contact is possible. This combined with the contact made with perineum (via p-tab) and the nerves around the anus will result in if not mind-blowing, but the very least mind-tackling pleasure.

    Read the material about breathing/contracting exercises at the Aneros Wiki. In all likelyhood, they'll aid you in taking the next step of your journey. :wink:
  • Woodsman said:

    I went through the same thing, touching the handle out of frustration that I couldn't feel anything otherwise, but I now think that tends to overwhelm the process. For me at least, the path has been more in the other direction, extreme lightness of touch. I am focussing on very small contractions, which result in the prostate sensation I am trying to nourish. It seems contradictory, but it's working for me.
    Keep us informed.



    Good call. On several other occasions I've underlined the importance of not "rolling over" the sensations and involuntary contractions one experiences with comparatively harder voluntarily contractions. They indeed overwhelm the process.
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    Rod:
    That's a great way to do it if it works for you. I have done the same with porn video, but my problem is that it pulls me inevitably into traditional masturbation, where I end up jacking off. I have been using this along with a cock ring to practice my edging technique, which is improving. This rewiring is complicated stuff.
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    Regarding subtlety of stimulation, this seems a very similar challenge to that of trying to excite a woman by massaging her clitoris. The easiest and most common problem is overdoing it. It can quickly derail the whole thing. At least in this case we have direct feedback.
    Rod:
    I have not yet begun to experience any involuntary contractions, in much of what I have read here these just seem to arrive at some point. Any advice on how to become more receptive to them?
    Kenobi: How about you? I'm assuming you have not yet had involuntaries?
  • No involuntaries as of yet...
  • Woodsman said:

    Rod:
    That's a great way to do it if it works for you. I have done the same with porn video, but my problem is that it pulls me inevitably into traditional masturbation, where I end up jacking off. I have been using this along with a cock ring to practice my edging technique, which is improving. This rewiring is complicated stuff.



    Wait a sec - are you using the cock ring while engaging in traditional masturbation, or during Aneros sessions? If latter's the case, I'm not sure whether it's a good idea. :?

    Woodsman said:

    I have not yet begun to experience any involuntary contractions, in much of what I have read here these just seem to arrive at some point. Any advice on how to become more receptive to them?
    Kenobi: How about you? I'm assuming you have not yet had involuntaries?



    I moved from practically no involuntaries to a full involuntary contraction as described by slimjm in just a single session. I believe it's all thanks to a particularly long exercise period before attempting any contractions (approx. 15 minutes of relaxation, followed by 20 minutes of b/c exercises) and a bit of dumb luck, as it was far more than I had expected the exercises would do.
  • Woodsman
    Posts: 102
    Rod:
    Cock ring only while masturbating. Tried it with the aneros and you're right, not a good idea. Anything that pulls the attention away from the prostate is probably to be avoided.
    Thanks for the advice on involuntaries. I will be thinking of this tonight.
  • Alright, good. Keep us updated. :)
  • bbn
    Posts: 5
    Excellent discussion guys. I am a newbie yet to experience involuntaries, although I have been enjoying new sensations from my Helix for a while. I guess I may not be relaxing properly yet - but I do feel the more gentle one applies contractions the more aware I am of responses from around my aneros.

    I sometimes think that the Helix may have gone in too far or the perinaeum pressure is wrong. All part of learning about this newly discovered part of my body.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Appreciate your comments Rod of Plastic and Woodsman. I'm a newbie also, only having been at this for almost 3 months now. Perhaps due to not studying the Wiki and Forum enough before I started, I just lubed up and inserted it and did voluntary anal contractions, which of course drive the thing back and forth and made secretions come out but didn't really feel good. Then about a month ago I read about and tried the "relax and do nothing" approach, just lying there quietly after inserting for about 10 or 15 minutes and doing nothing. During this time I feel periodic little "winking" contractions of my anus (apparently due to the "foreign piece of plastic" being in it) and I can almost tell from how twitchy these are how well things are going to go later.

    Then, as mentioned, I do slow, gentle contractions and when the anal flutters start coming, I just "feed" them with continued but not necessarily stronger contractions. I find that at this point if you pull hard, you'll simply overpower and kill the flutters which are the clearest indicators of the neuro-feed-back pathway that's trying to get established. It's building the strength and intensity of this feed-back pathway with subsequent gentle contractions (especially adding nipple stimulation while doing so) that soon produces the warm orgasmic pressure that grows in your pelvis and base of the penis that then builds into the hard, orgasm-like involuntary contractions that make up a "dry" or prostate orgasm.

    I wonder if during that first nearly couple months when I was only doing the voluntary contractions that didn't feel very good that it still benefited me by improving tone and muscle control so that the relax-and-do-gentle-contractions I learned to do later made such a breakthrough. Therefore, I would suggest you keep trying. And as everyone says, don't get so distracted by the with "Are we there yet?" feeling that you miss a lot of subtle, fun feelings along the way.
  • bbn said:

    Excellent discussion guys. I am a newbie yet to experience involuntaries, although I have been enjoying new sensations from my Helix for a while. I guess I may not be relaxing properly yet - but I do feel the more gentle one applies contractions the more aware I am of responses from around my aneros.



    Reading these forums it seems to me that achieving that first step is the hardest part - meaning feeling those first subtle sensations, that will slowly get the pleasure feedback loop rolling. Good for you. :D

    bbn said:

    I sometimes think that the Helix may have gone in too far or the perinaeum pressure is wrong. All part of learning about this newly discovered part of my body.



    Noticed both things on my Helix, too. The feeling on wrong depth goes away once you experience more powerful involuntaries, as these appear to "home in" the massager on your prostate. The P-tab is a more curious case, as it often feels that my perineum goes numb mid-session. But again, I have a feeling that the perineum stimulation becomes a more pronounced sensation once those involuntaries start rolling. :wink:

    @slimjm: keeps those posts coming, I think we're on the same frequency. :)
  • This morning I had session #5. I was still and did nothing for 20-30 minutes. Then I tried subtle contractions. I had no involuntary contractions or no leakage, but I did feel like the head of my penis was on fire for a while. After 3 hours, I quit.

    I am using plenty of lube, and re-applied about halfway through. I tried every position imaginable, but nothing else happened.
  • [quote=Newbie-Wan Kenobi]This morning I had session #5. I was still and did nothing for 20-30 minutes. Then I tried subtle contractions. I had no involuntary contractions or no leakage, but I did feel like the head of my penis was on fire for a while. After 3 hours, I quit.

    I think relaxation alone does little, it merely sets the stage for the exercises. And it's those exercises that will make the involuntaries stronger and easier to trigger. Good that you felt massage-speficic sensations, though. :)

    [quote=Newbie-Wan Kenobi]I am using plenty of lube, and re-applied about halfway through. I tried every position imaginable, but nothing else happened.

    Now, there are likely many approaches to general physical activity during a session, all leading to something positive. Personally I try to find the most relaxing position, and stay there. This is because I believe moving around can disrupt the muscle flow that could turn into involuntaries. Same I believe applies to removing the Aneros mid-session (although I do not know if re-applying lube involved extraction to you).
  • Newbie-Wan Kenobi,

    As your fellow jedi master I ask that you "use the force" and stop trying so hard. :lol: (Just kidding about the 'force') :lol:

    From what I read in your last post you're trying way to hard to feel something or make something happen. That nice feeling you had is all you need to treasure. Don't get greedy and want more because in that type of mindset it will get you nowhere. Trust me on this. 8)

    Instead just be happy with the pleasure you got at the end of your penis. Don't get so caught up in the idea of "What's supposed to be happening" according to any testimonials, blogs, or anything else that you have read. In your case, it appears this is going to take you some time to just relax and not get so anxious in "wanting" something to happen by trying to hard.

    So just take a step back, relax, go with the flow. Savor any and all sensations you get. Don't try to force anything. Just let the pleasure come and pass.

    Hang in there and don't get to discouraged!
  • FrostFire - thanks for your comments and encouragement...
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    These good discussions prompted thinking on a couple other possibly helpful subjects, that is arousal and masturbation in sessions. I guess you have to be at least somewhat aroused or interested to want to start a session anyway, though I've had some surprising sessions that I wasn't that aroused for and just thought I'd lube and insert the massager and lie back and relax and read in bed or something. (I actually started Aneros prostate massage a little less than 3 months ago for episodic prostatic congestion pain).

    Although I understand that all contributors come to this forum from different backgrounds, mine is that of Christian traditional convictions, so porn/erotica is off limits for me and would probably mess up the good time I have already with my wife. And, interestingly, in that I read at least some contributors citing that they avoid porn as it distracts them from subtle prostate feelings and makes them want to have a masturbated traditional orgasm (with the following refractory period that ends everything), I wonder if this argument has some traction.

    As to masturbating in general, it's fairly rare for me as I "offer sex" to my wife FIRST, and she's usually good about taking me up on it except for the occasional times she doesn't doesn't want me to bother her and says "to take care of it myself". And so, at least thus far, I've never masturbated during or to end a session, although from the fun I hear it is with the Aneros in, I may put it on my list of things to try one of these times she turns me down.

    Bottom line, and seriously, is it possible my "re-wiring" process (which was not really intentional for me from the beginning and that has gone faster than I thought might be the case for someone who'd never even heard of this 3 months ago) has been influenced by having these factors not be a part of my sessions?
  • SlimJim...also coming from a evangelical Christian worldview. Sex is great, do it all you want in however you and your spouse enjoy, just keep it in marriage. Don't want to use porn or fantasy and I try to avoid masturbation so as not to deprive my wife. Same as you, if she's satisfied, I don't feel bad about tossing one off. I do think avoiding these external distractions help speed the process. We're trying to concentrate on new bodily sensations and controlling muscles not normally under voluntary control. In this sense, I think it's helpful to eliminate distractions (and my opinion is it also honors the One who made us). Cumming takes the edge off for me and I find when I have a warm-up session without ejaculating and later in the day have sex with my wife (who likes to finger me) the orgasms are mind blowing and I get incredibly hard...something she's commented on, with delight. So, this has become a marital aid in the truest sense of the word.
  • Slimjim,

    Thank you for your very nice post.

    Sounds like we have some fairly common ground. I, too, was having a bit of problem with pain that I believed was caused by my prostate. After sex (not literally immediately) I would have pains in my general pelvic area and testicles. It would begin to subside within days and after sex ait would "flare up" all over again, only to die down and dissapate until after sex the next time (you get the idea).

    After doing some research, I felt like I had non-bacterial prostatitis (I'm not a doctor, but I do play one on TV). That's where I came across the Aneros. I got it just last week. It definitely seems to have already helped in that department. But now, I want to experience all the wonderful things I have read about on here.

    My wife and I have a very active sex life and I have not masturbated during or after using the Aneros. I may get around to trying it during sex, but I would like to experience some solo success before clouding the waters.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Newbie-Wan Kenobi,

    Sorry to hear about the prostatitis symptoms. I actually discovered the Aneros this past summer doing some on-line reading when I was also having an episode of it. My urologist had in the past checked me for the same thing and had just smiled and said, "Try having more sex." In my case I had pains in the general pelvic area you described (specifically--and since you play a doctor's role--this is the perineum, the space between the anus and scrotum where the prostate lives just inside and where the P-tab of the Aneros positions itself during contractions). Some guys, as you did, can feel pain in the testicles also, but not everyone will.

    In most situations including mine and probably also what you are describing--and would seem the case for most here given the forum demographics show the majority of us aren't the younger crowd anymore--the prostatitis is non-infectious, that is, there are no infecting organisms like bacteria present in the gland. In infectious prostatitis, by contrast, bacteria invade the prostate gland which swells and becomes extremely tender (think of pus spreading throughout and inflaming the gland) and you generally have a fever and feel really bad. Usually the urologist can tell this when he inserts his finger into your rectum to examine the gland (and unfortunately you'll feel it too if you've got this type of prostatitis) and then he'll give you a long course of antibiotics to take which generally will clear it. Of note, this is the type of prostatitis you hear about for which you should not practice self-massage (either finger or Aneros), for fear of disseminating the infection into other parts of your body.

    The non-infectious form of prostatitis, on the other hand, is more annoying than dangerous and is something of a urologists' bane to treat as few things seem to definitively help. It is thought that common precipitating factors for getting it are more birthdays, going longer periods of time between ejaculations, having longer sex before ejaculation, and various other presumptive factors like too much caffeine, prolonged sitting/driving/bike riding etc. It doesn't necessarily indicate prostate enlargement and the common factor thought to exist here is unreleased fluids/pressure within the prostate for which urologists in years gone by would have you come in every few weeks for a prostate massage. But now, they typically will give you antibiotics mostly for the benefit of the doubt and advise more frequent sex or masturbation and avoidance of precipitating factors but beyond that usually don't have much more to offer.

    This is the situation where using the Aneros seems logical. It's intuitive that using anything, a finger or the Aneros to massage the gland like urologists did in the past, would help and I presume that this was the original intent of the High Island Health company--to create a product for private home use that obviated the expense and hassle of going to the urologist. Of course, as users experienced the pleasurable sensations the Aneros provided to the prostate and the plexus of nerves that overlie the gland through the anterior (front) wall of the rectum, a whole new interest in their products developed.

    In your case I would say that using your MGX would be safe and probably beneficial. I would not worry that at this point in time you don't feel any sensations being generated by the massager itself. And though it does no harm to gently move the massager some in your rectum to experience the different sensations and explore your own body's responsiveness in this area, it will ultimately be the involuntary contractions that come from building the neural feedback loop already discussed that will give you the dry or prostate originated orgasms everyone wants to experience. This only comes with time.

    Keep working with it and enjoying all the little feelings that go along with the process of getting there.
  • slimjm
    Posts: 497
    Thanks for your remarks, newguy8762. When you're new to something still fairly unfamiliar and as personal as comments in these discussions can be, it's great to know there's someone there that shares the same views and convictions. Like you referenced, ain't it great that keeping the priorities straight--like honoring Him and pleasing your wife first and only--still provides for the pleasure of exploring and benefiting our bodies in unique ways like this.
  • Today I had Session #10 or so. 5:00 AM to 9:00 AM.

    I ordered a Helix and have tried it along with the original MGX. Generally trying every other day.

    Not unpleasant, but nothing wonderful, no pre-cum, no wonderful sensations, no involuntary contractions, no waves, etc.

    Trying different things- standing, sitting, kneeling, squatting, lying on side(s), lying on back, lying on stomach - still nothing. I am doing deep breathing, and fast and slow voluntary contractions. Nothing really happening.

    I'm a bit discouraged. Help a newbie out.
  • I've said it before and I'm going to say it again - STOP TRYING!!! This really is a game of "Mind Tricks" (Have the wrong frame of mind and it will just elude you even more). Sure, you can try all sorts of techniques and advice we give you. Unfortunately, it will do you no good when you go into your sessions TRYING to accomplish something!! It will only lead to your frustration. Sorry to be so forward and direct.

    You cannot FORCE or TRY to get these sensations to come to you. They will never come if you choose this strategy! I am sure you have heard this many times and you can take it how you'd like. It's the honest truth. I know this isn't the answer you're looking for and I'm sorry I can't be of more help.

    The only thing I might suggest is you change your session time to the evening. Besides, 4 hours is quite awhile to be having a session when you're first starting out. If after the first 30 - 45 minutes nothing is happening don't go past an hour when you're starting out. Every other day is a bit much too for now give your body a rest like 3 - 4 days and then try.

    Honestly though, I think you're trying way to hard to "achieve a goal." Enjoy any sensations you have for now no matter how SLIGHT they are just treasure it.

    Good Luck!

    STOP TRYING!!!:x:!::shock:

    - ArcticWolves :wink: