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Foreskin Restoration - "Restoration of the World"
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  • Well, as the title states I am almost a month into beginning my foreskin restoration process. I understand that some people may not care about this type of thing and that it's your opinion on the subject. However, the fact is we circumcised males were mutilated and robbed of A LOT of pleasure. I know it's hard to believe and imagine, but that is the simple truth.

    Try this:

    - Touch your finger to the palm of your hand.
    - Now touch your finger to the back of your hand.
    - Feel the difference?
    - Which felt more sensitive?

    Correct!! The Palm is more sensitive because there are more nerve endings and are closer to the surface.


    Why this silly example? Because it's the only thing we can relate with to get an idea of what was lost during circumsion. According to my online research, there are over 20,000 nerve endings on the foreskin of a penis and 4,000 nerve endings on a woman's clitoris. Sadly, these are gone for good.

    Or are they?? Did you know you still have nerve endings on the glans (head) of your penis that have just been desensitized due to a process called keratinization?

    Ke­ra­ti­niza­ti­on, also known as cor­ni­fi­ca­ti­on, occurs because the un­pro­tec­ted, cir­cum­ci­sed penis is con­stant­ly exposed to the drying effects of the air and rubs against clot­hing and un­derg­ar­ments. An ex­tre­me­ly thin mucus mem­bra­ne covers surface of the glans penis, which was never in­ten­ded to be exposed. The glans penis should reside in a warm and moist en­viron­ment, pro­tec­ted from chafing against clot­hing and drying from ex­po­sure.

    The exposed glans de­ve­lops layers upon layers of pro­tec­tive tissue of a tough and fibrous protein called keratin to respond to the har­sh­ness of the foreign en­viron­ment. The process of ke­ra­ti­niza­ti­on and the re­sul­ting layers of tissue serve to protect the glans from ab­ra­si­ons and drying but at the same time deaden the highly sen­si­ti­ve nerves on the glans penis.


    However, we can restore the glans (head) to it's "covered" state. Thereby, increasing it's sensitivity through a process called de-keratinization. This will allow for the development of a new thin mucous membrane layer as a result from the restoration process and protect the glans. Another benefit is the aesthetic appearance of having a foreskin. This one tends to have a HUGE psychological benefit.

    Finally, the best part is it restores the "gliding" action that was lost. "The foreskin's gliding action is a hallmark feature of the normal, natural, intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of its own shaft skin facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners."

    This is the main reason why I'm restoring. The gliding action alone is probably the best benefit for comfort of both partners. I welcome all the other added benefits of increased sensitivity and the outer appearance, but it's this gliding action that sold me on the idea of restoring.

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    For those that have made it this far, I thank you for your time and consideration of this subject. I myself was like you in this position not knowing a thing about what circumsion actually did and the damage it caused (Physically, Sexually, and Psychologically). Foreskin Restoration is not spoken about a lot because it messes with the idea and self-esteem of one's own penis. I have accepted that I was circumcised and know there was nothing I could do to prevent it. The good news is I can do something about it and that's what I have done.

    I have done a great deal of research on the devices and techniques used for foreskin restoration and found the best device that offers the best results in less time than others. Currently, I am using the DTR (Dual Tension Restorer) device available from:

    http://www.foreskinrestore.com/

    I won't go into too much detail about this as there is a great deal of information offered on his website. (And I'm getting tired of writing... :shock: :lol:)

    All's I can say is his is the best device because it is so easy to use, painless, and comfortable. It takes about 5 seconds to put on/take off (once you get the hang of it) and you can wear it all day while doing whatever it is you do. Just make sure you wear boxers or boxer briefs or go commando style. The DTR device offers the highest tension settings due to it creating a "Push-Pull Effect" which is what makes this device unique and cuts the restoration time down to less. (Read the website for more information)

    No I'm not trying to sell anything to you. I'm just spreading the word of what's working for me. You can take all this information in and do what you want with it. I just thought it would be nice to spread the word to inform my other fellow male counterparts.


    Hopefully, this information has been useful and you understand a little bit more about yourself. Here is some more information if you're interested (I suggest to read the first link as it will give a great deal of information on foreskin restoration):

    1. http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html
    2. www.foreskinrestore.com
    3. http://oliver.prygotzki.de/privat/einsichten/circumcision.html
    4. http://www.norm-socal.org/lost.html
    5. http://www.newforeskin.biz/

    If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask. Once again, thank you for your time!

    - ArcticWolves

    P.S. Thank you Rumel for giving me the idea and being supportive of me to post this information for all to see. Also, thank you for the wonderful title!!
  • darwindarwin
    Posts: 1,195
    aw-

    way to go. i will be quite interested to hear about your results.

    i have two things to offer. one, i broke the cycle of damage, at least, by not circumsizing our son. i am philosophically/politically unhappy with the argument for circumcision that "he will be upset to be different." that kind of thinking serves to perpetuate many bad things. (also, for all you future parents, there is no significant medical reason for circumcision).

    second, i have seen some videos of guys whackerbating who have their foreskins. i noticed that they don't need to use lube, and that the their foreskin goes back and forth over their head (which you mention above). i was quite fascinated by this, and so, gave it a try myself. i don't have a foreskin, but, i was able to gather a ring of skin, even when fully erect, enough to use as a mini-foreskin. it goes back and forth over my corona. well, here is what i can report. this feels *very* good. i think it is because of the contact of penis skin to penis skin. so, based just on that, even with my poor keratinized head, i can see that a foreskin will augment pleasure. i also read that the extra skin feels good in the vagina, staying stable while the penis goes back and forth.

    based on this, will i go restore my foreskin? naw. i'll leave that too you. i am glad you and others are doing it. but, my penis has been kind of deemphasized now that my butt has been brought onto the scene, so i don't care that much about the lost sensitivity.

    darwin
  • Thanks AW for bringing this up and for your videos, which inspired my first superO last night as I told you in chat.

    I have been restoring my foreskin for some time. I have regrown a significant amount especially in the last year, including inner skin which is where the nerve endings are and which I had very little left of, and I can feel the difference.

    This is not "weird": it's a movement that's snowballing, especially now that the data has come out on all the nerve endings that are lost during circumcision.

    I highly recommend online community http://www.restoreforeskin.org for tips and support on foreskin restoration.

    Check out my page there, http://www.restoreforeskin.org/phoenix_in_md

    ... as well as my restoration method, which is an easy way to get started if you have little skin left:
    http://www.restoreforeskin.org/forums/display_topic/id_1106/Quick-T-tape-method/

    It's understandable that many do not want to mess with this, especially since it involves getting in touch with feelings of loss and that's not easy, but you're better off facing those feelings and restoring your foreskin sooner rather than later, because:
    1) it's easier to regrow the younger you are
    2) the more years your glans spends being rubbed by your underwear, the more sensitivity you lose, and then you get to a certain age and wonder why your penis doesn't work like it used to.

    Thanks
  • ArcticWolves

    Isn't Rumel great! Very intelligent, open, supportive and encouraging. I wish I had an uncle like him!

    As an uncircumcised male I am ecstatic to learn of the difficulties you are going through to obtain a foreskin. Being the youngest of eleven children (nine of them boys), I was the only uncircumcised member (or had the only uncircumcised member) in the family and was intimidated to the point of being ashamed of my appearance. Not only did I look like someone lopped off my glans, there was always the hygiene issue....and the female acquaintance who mentioned she wouldn't know what she would do if she saw an uncircumcised male -- probably scream, or something! Yeah, that was a confidence booster. It took years before I could walk through a locker room without a towel to hide behind. Even asked a urologist to remove it, but he politely refused. And, of course, there was the premature ejaculation thing from the increased sensitivity of the protected glans.

    Eventually I got to the point of 'so what...you've only got to look at it. I've got to live with it...and life's too short'. Now, I hear that it's truly a benefit and that other's wish they could have kept their prepuce. Thanks, ArcticWolves, you've made me feel a WHOLE lot better!! (Plus, Buttmasterflex, it appears to make the jelqing process easier!) No pun intended, but I'm pulling for you in your latest endeavor.
  • stmfttr
    Posts: 40
    Been working on my restore for about two years. It's been a slow process, as I've not use any mechanical devives. It HAS been well worth the journey. A lot more sensitive at the glans as well as the entire shaft skin. So, saying that , AW, I think you'll like the results, take it slow!
  • PromassPromass
    Posts: 84
    I applaud you who are all restoring i find circumcision a harsh and Medieval people who do this to poor babies should be ashamed for mutilating the kids.

    I can tell you that having a very sensitive penis only helps me control the point of no return i can feel it way before i explode giving me plenty of time maybe 15-20 seconds till i hit the point of no return in which i pause and clinch my pc muscle to control any involuntary pc spasms and after 30 secs to a minute or so i continue and i can last a long time and then when i cum its still as intense as if i just had inserted her because the foreskin keeps the fluids in and that keeps us well lubed hehe.

    So yea foreskin premature ejaculation is a myth you just need to know how to control it and when to downshift the knob then gun it back to the redline over and over all night hehe.
  • Fuzzy
    Posts: 99
    I'll re-post what I wrote earlier in the jelqing thread:
    I consider myself lucky that I wasn't circumcised.
    Whenever I read about men having to use lube just for regular penile masturbation it astounds me since I've always been able to just use the mobility of my foreskin.
    As for difference in sensitivity, I wouldn't know from experience, but it makes sense that an uncircumsised penis would have greater sensitivity at the glans because it is shielded from contact in everyday life.
    I know that when I sometimes rub the glans directly, using precum as lube it is almost unbearably sensitive.

    I've never had any issues with self esteem or feelings of being different due to not being circumsised, but I think it maybe isn't quite as common in Australia as it is in America.
    The argument of circumcising your child so that they don't feel different is just plain stupid. If most people refused to circumcise their children, then it would be the circumcised ones that stood out as weird.

    Anyway, congratulations to those of you who are restoring your stolen foreskins. I wish you the best of luck.
  • BusterBuster
    Posts: 953
    A.W. and Others,

    I am circumcised but I guess they left enough skin for me to be able to masturbate without lubrication. I had never heard of guys having to do that. I guess I am one of the lucky ones.

    I would hope that we are all advanced enough to not be embarrassed about what we have. I know it is not true, but I think we have come a long way. Good luck to all in the restoration process. I enjoy bantering with you guys about subjects that are not just about Aneros and prostate massage. I am glad that we have this forum to do so.
  • nood1963
    Posts: 113
    Hello,

    I myself am circumcised. I really envy the men who are not circumcised. The thought has crossed my mind a lot of times about the restoration process. Back in the day when I was born, boys were almost always just circumcised. Us who were cut do not have the forskin for the extra stimulation and protection of the head and surrounding areas. I have tried masturbating "dry", no go. Not enough skin left either. Oh well, my experiences with the aneros are excellent and forth going. I'm happy with my "package", and it always amazes me how a guy can have so many orgasms. It's just awesome. Nood
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    This thread and subject facinates me.

    I was born with a birth defect called hypospadias and I'm pretty sure that I had to be circumcised because of all the surgeries I've been through dealing with that though when I was born most all children in the US were being circumcised anyways so either way I would had most likely been circumcised. When I was in my teens I used lube for masturbation and it was the only way. With out lube it was just so much less pleasurable. But when I was 18 I had to have more surgeries because the ones I had when I was a child just wouldn't "hold up". But after these set of surgeries my penis became too painful to masturbate with lube and eventually had to "settle" for non lube masturbation (because I had to grab lower on the shaft where there were no scar tissue).

    The amazing thing is how well the body adapts. I feel that the non lube for me feels much better than when I used to use lube with the added benifet of easier clean up(I'm 28 now so no lube for 10 years). Of course I have to have a tight grip with no sliding my hand over my head or anything. I've tried using lube every once in awhile but just doesn't feel as good as a tight grip with no lube. Again the body and mind can adapt quite well.

    Anyways with all that said this thread is the first I had ever heard about foreskin restoration. Would had never even thought that could be a possibility. Amazing. I went to that site "foreskinrestore.com" and it seems pretty legit. This is something I may be interested in but that's a lot of everyday dedication to have to wear that device so many hours everyday. Plus I wonder if once the foreskin is restored can you stop using the device. Will it stay that way or eventually will it start pulling back the other way? My guess is that it will stay?

    Plus I wonder what kind of effect using that device everyday has on the "rewiring process"? Like if it could be a hinderance at all?

    But even still I think I'm in the same boat as Darwin on this one. Since the aneros has come in my life traditional masturbation has been kinda going out the door. It's been over a month since I've even masturbated (or used the aneros) using my hands or any penile stimulation of any kind (except for my mind and PC or should I say BC contractions). And these mind induced orgasms are getting better and better (which I will be posting about soon).

    I think the main reason I would go through the foreskin restoration process is if it would make sex more enjoyable for my girl and me. My girl is very orgasmic as it is and I'm kind of scared to see what would happen if sex became even more enjoyable for her ;-)
    I guess really I would do it more for me because I feel it would feel better with that skin moving around the penis. Hard to imagine since I've never experienced that.

    Okay I've ranted long enough ;-)

    I think if I had found out about this before the aneros had changed my view on how to experience pleasure and orgasms I think I might had been game (plus not sure how healthy it would be personally for my penis after so many surgeries on it) But sill I think it's great for all those that choose to go ahead with the restoration... And please keep us updated as to how the restoration is going and what effects it has psychologically and sexually.
  • So...why do they call a penis in its native state 'uncircumcised'? Doesn't that promulgate the misconception that circumcision is normal and that the other option is 'un-normal'? I think we need a new word for a penis that hasn't been butchered...rather than "uncircumcised". Something like....free-range penis.
  • This is what religion does to people. If I had my way I would not be circumcized. When we are born we do not have a choice. Religion doesn't like pleasure by masturbation so they figure the way to take it away is by taking away skin, little did they know people still managed and discovered it. I sincerely believe that circumcision was used to deter masturbation in boys. Good thing they didn't figure out the clitoris on girls back then.
  • rumelrumel
    Posts: 2,257
    (Note : Underlined Text is a Hyper-Link)
    equalityboy81,
    Unfortunately there are still tribes in Africa that do practice a form of circumcision on women. Only they sometimes actually cut off the woman’s clitoris. I think it is a barbaric practice.

    ArticWolves,
    Thanks for the acknowledgement but beware you're making my head swell, :lol:
    I just encouraged you to get this information on record so it would be available to everyone who reads this Forum, if it had remained in the Chat room only a few of us would have been exposed to it. Thank you for taking the initiative to put this great post together. I’m sure there are a good number of men in similar circumstances who would like to regain their foreskins as well.
    I know this is not strictly on topic as far as being Aneros related but it is important. Men should know they have some options if they choose to regain their birthright.
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Free range penis :lol: LMAO!!!!

    Sometimes laughter can heal the pain. :D

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    My circumcision had nothing to do with religion. As I recall from what my mother told me years ago, the doctors told her it would make me not feel different among the other boys. What a load of shit. Did I say that? Yeah I know, I feel strongly about not having had the choice to have been mutilated and modified. And now as I research on the Internet on the emotional repercussions of male circumcision, the horror of it all becomes very clear. The following link has a lot of good information. Do some of your own searches. There is a lot of good information out there.

    http://birthpsychology.com/birthscene/circ.html

    I'm amazed at the anger in me that swells up over the loss of my foreskin. I was going to say more. But I would rather focus on the good and positive aspect of life. So here is my attempt.

    http://www.cirp.org/pages/restore.html

    A quote from the following link:
    Nevertheless, foreskin restoration can greatly enhance the sexual experience, and will improve daily personal comfort. Restored men have reported feelings of wholeness, empowerment, and "taking back their bodies from the circumcisers."

    What a pleasant thoughts to focus on...
    wholeness, empowerment, and taking back our bodies from the circumciser's.

    Love_is
  • Fuzzy
    Posts: 99

    So...why do they call a penis in its native state 'uncircumcised'? Doesn't that promulgate the misconception that circumcision is normal and that the other option is 'un-normal'? I think we need a new word for a penis that hasn't been butchered...rather than "uncircumcised". Something like....free-range penis.


    How about we change both terms?
    We could go with Mutilated (Circumcised) and Natural (uncircumcised).
  • I one were to wear a condom a lot, do you think that would act as a temp. foreskin?
  • cody
    Posts: 5
    When I was in the chat room last weekend, I mentioned that I had undergone foreskin restoration. I used an 'o' ring method. You pull your skin over your penis head and through an 'o' ring which keeps it in place. Over the course of about 6 months, more skin grew and I now have enough to cover the head, unless erect.

    I had done this to counteract the effects of SSRI's I need to take. The head of my penis has gotten more sensitive. For some weird reason, I also feel more relaxed in locker rooms/showers, as my penis is more 'dressed' if you will. I feel less naked and vulnerable (weird, yes, but noticeable to me).

    I could post some pix if rumel could help out with that. They aren't before and after shots, but would be the amount of coverage I have, given that I was circumcized at birth as was the custom in the 50's.
  • Crazy! if the foreskin wasnt meant to be there we wouldnt have one!

    Its like saying 5 fingers on a hand are too many, lets cut one off.
  • cody
    Posts: 5
    Stats: 58 years old; 73"tall; 220lbs; 5" soft; 7.5" erect.
    circumcised at birth; restoration via 'O' rings over a 6 month
    period about 3 years ago

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  • was it worth it?
  • cody
    Posts: 5
    There is no downside to restoration. It was simple, painless, and I had the benefits listed in my previous posting.
  • stmfttr
    Posts: 40
    What type of o-rings, nitrile - silicon - rubber?
    And where to buy?
  • stmfttr
    Posts: 40

    Crazy! if the foreskin wasnt meant to be there we wouldnt have one!

    Its like saying 5 fingers on a hand are too many, lets cut one off.



    Over the years, at a birth of a boy child, parents were told by health care professionals that it was easier to keep the penis "clean", AND the other reason was doctors "charged" for the procedure.
    WOW. What a trade off, a bit-of-skin for a BMW!!! :D
  • cody
    Posts: 5
    stmfttr said:

    What type of o-rings, nitrile - silicon - rubber?
    And where to buy?


    I got them from a restoration site located in Hawaii. Sorry,
    can't remember the name of the place. I believe they were
    silicone. IMHO, I would look for them in a hardware store.

    During 'training', I kept it on during the day, and took it
    off at nite. Also, when getting an erection you want to
    take it off, and when urinating too.

    Size wise, get several and get the smallest that will permit
    you to pull skin through and retain it. The friction from the
    ring will keep it in place.

    I will look around and see if I can find the web link, but it
    was two computers ago.
  • Billy11
    Posts: 280
    You say it only took 6 months for you to achieve this result using the O-ring method? Well I guess everybody's different maybe in how long results take to happen.
  • cody
    Posts: 5
    Billy11 said:

    You say it only took 6 months for you to achieve this result using the O-ring method? Well I guess everybody's different maybe in how long results take to happen.



    Well, no one was more surprized than I was, except perhaps my wife.
  • Fuzzy
    Posts: 99
    Wow cody, that's an impressive result!
    And in only 6 months too. Well done!
  • OH!!
    Posts: 260

    According to my online research, there are over 20,000 nerve endings on the foreskin of a penis and 4,000 nerve endings on a woman's clitoris. Sadly, these are gone for good.



    Yep, I am so happy I have my foreskin. Wow I didn't know this though! Guess that explains why lately I have a tendency to just massage the outside of the topside of my penis on the foreskin. There is also a pressure point there that if you press it will eventually give your orgasms. I love them. Good luck in your quest.
  • If you're against circumcision, the US anti-circumcision movement needs your help NOW.

    The CDC (Centers for Disease Control) is considering recommending circumcision to fight HIV (which doesn't work, see www.circumcisionandhiv.org). The circumcisers keep finding excuses to justify a procedure that hurts boys and men.

    If you're an Aneros user you should be especially aware of male sexuality and the importance of not suppressing it in any way, especially in helpless babies.

    Please help by signing a petition at www.intactamerica.org and consider donating to this new umbrella organization.

    Thanks
  • STARR831
    Posts: 69
    Thanks for your alert, Phoenix --- I just signed the petition! I'm one of the fortunate men who was never circumcised as an infant. I didn't know what a blessing this was until I came to depend upon masturbation as a satisfying method of release. :lol: I believe that God, in all of His infinite wisdom, would never have created men to have their equipment so comfortably located within hand's reach, if He hadn't expected us to use it! This arrangement actually provides a viable way for young men to remain virgins until marriage - at least it did for me at 39!

    All through my life, however, I've never found anyone who would discuss the issues of circumcision. Not knowing anything about the subject, my wife said she simply did what her doctor told her to do when her son was born (prior to our marriage). When her son fathered a boy, 8 years ago, he said all his friends were circumcised and he didn't want his son to be different from himself. When I brought the subject up with my son-in-law, at the time, he also stated that he was circumcised and went along with my wife's son on the subject. Obviously, neither of these two men had a clue about the benefits of being uncut; and, they were too hard-headed :wink: to dare learn more on the subject.

    Since I introduced Aneros to our marriage this May, my wife and I have had our first meaningful discussions on the benefit of a foreskin. Now, and only now, does she really seem to understand AND enjoy the many pleasures a foreskin can offer. As with most learning, one has to be open to learn; and, then through experience, reap the benefits.

    Fear and ignorance still abound; but, hopefully discussions and efforts such as this will ensure that more and more little boys will be allowed to keep what God originally planned for them to have. My encouragement is extended to all you men who are in the process of restoration --- your efforts will add a wonderful dimension to your life. :D God bless!
  • MartyB
    Posts: 80
    Way to go AW!!!

    I am very interested in your results. I made a post earlier, in the wrong place, about this topic so I'm going to repost it here. This is where it belongs.

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    I'm 32, in a wonderful stable relationship were I don't have any trouble getting it. What sparked my interest in MMO and ultimately aneros, was seeing how my girlfriend responds during her orgasm. Losing control, shaking, quivering, facial expressions, vocalizations, telling me it feels too good, just can't take any more pleasure, having difficulty standing, walking, maintaining composure, etc... I thought to myself wow, I've had some good T-orgasms but I've never experienced anything like she is. There must be something I'm missing.

    At first I attributed my lack of pleasure with being circumcised. The foreskin contains the highest number of touch/pleasure sensitive nerves, where the head of the penis contains pressure/pain sensitive nerves. I'm guessing this is why I've never said it feels too good, but the rest of it is still possible.

    I will never circumcise my male children just so they look like daddy or for any reason what so ever. Western medicine is at work here again. Watch the main video http://www.youtube.com/user/painfulquestioning I think the motivation is simple, money.

    *EDIT* The main video has been changed, it is still worth watching. Here is the original video I was commenting on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf6xRFPpw


    If you are really interested in the purpose and pleasure the foreskin holds take a look at these 10 minute videos: Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9DoCn3gATE and Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps1dkbcOKfA You have to sign in but the information is worth it.

    Peace,
    Marty
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Hi All!

    I don't know how I missed this thread earlier. This is a topic dear to me too. I have really missed my missing foreskin for years, decades...

    Mrs. a and I were very clear with our doctors (our GP was also very clear and supportive) that our two sons were NOT going to be circumsized. Period. And they are not missing anything! :wink:

    I have looked into various restoration methods and been discouraged by the years most of them seem to take. And the cross purposes with certain other health treatments. However, the six months and not wearing 24/7 is very helpful and I am off to get a set of O-rings!

    As a Canuck, I don't know if my signature would be acceptable, but I have signed other similar surveys and petitions on this topic elsewhere previously. I'll give it a try.

    thanks very much cody and all for all the comments

    artform
  • brianro
    Posts: 19
    I too was circumcised (mutilated) as a neonate and while accepting that my parents intentions were ignorantly honourable I have grown to regret their decision taken on my behalf.
    When our son was born my wife and I made the informed decision, supported by a wise and open-minded gynaecologist, not to circumcise him.
    Sadly this year at the age of 19 he took the decision to have himself circumcised. While I provided him with much pro- and anti- background research material he was insistent. We spoke about the options available to him at length but I'm not sure he fully shared with me his reason(s) for wanting to be circumcised. With hindsight I suspect it may have been related to premature ejaculation(?).
    Sadly, the deed is done but it was his informed decision, unlike in my case.
    I have considered 'reconstruction' but my age (late 50's) has held me back.
    I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on 'mature' foreskin restoration?
  • Love_isLove_is
    Posts: 1,672
    Hello brainro, :)

    I'm sorry to hear that your son decided to mutilate his own body of his own choice. I wonder if he will regret his decision later in life? It sounds like you did everything you could to provide him with information that would allow him to make an informed decision. Although likely ignorant in our eyes. I wonder how much the woman he is dating, or has had sex with plays into this. I know in the past I've dated women who have told me that they find an un-circumcised penis to be gross. Can you imagine what that might do to a young man hearing that from a woman he wants to be with?

    I find myself saddened by both our society's ignorance, and difficulty and/or inability to openly talk of sexual topics. Particularly between parent and child. Don't get me wrong, I still struggle with this also. Although have slowly made progress over the years in turning it around. Can you imagine if he had actually shared the real reason for him to be circumcised? And that the two of you had been able to share your experiences together and maybe think of a better solution? Perhaps later in life he will open up to you further. I wish the two of you the best in your journey together as a family.

    Love_is
  • Badger
    Posts: 648
    I was uncircumcised until age 42, when I could no longer stand the irritation from near constant yeast infections, in spite of meticulous personal grooming. Unfortunately, I was cut a little too tight, but that can change and has changed with time. I find that sex is much better, with more rubbing sensations that cannot happen with a long foreskin. There are some dulling of feelings on the head, but there are ways to counter that. There's an added benefit of my hands not stinking of smegma after handling myself, which is nice.

    There are advantages and disadvantages of both, and one should weigh these things carefully. Having a son circumcised in infancy, especially if you are circumcised, is the best time, especially if done at the Jewish timeframe of approximately 8 days after birth. At that time, there is a burst of endorphins and such to numb any pain, and there is a spike in antibiotics in the mother's milk and antibodies in the baby to help ward off infection.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    Being rather emotionally charged on this topic I had earlier decided to avoid the thread of discussion; however, the last couple of posts have softened the edge on my sword so here's the Gawd-awful lecture.

    First, the availability of an HPV vaccine casts some ray of hope that we may be able to someday avoid circumcision.

    //The emotional rant// HPV, cervical cancer and hysterectomy have denied me at least two, perhaps three or four grandchildren. While my wife and I have always counseled safe sex, our daughters (and perhaps our son and our sons-in-law) have not always carried out their end of the deal. And, I must admit that in my earlier/misguided past I was not 100% reliable when it came to safe-sex. However, I lived in an era with simple diseases and was always fortunate to be cured of the various bugs I did catch. // end rant//

    My paternal line has been adamant regarding post-birth circumcision of male children since at least 1805 (first mention of circs in old records of family births.) This hasn't been a religious thing -- it's been passed on as a means to extend the lifespan of our wives. Apparently there was enough anecdotal info in Northern Europe to support that conclusion. (my lineage is German-Scot-Welsh).

    ACS has some data on this: [ http://tinyurl.com/qoy5 ]

    I grew up in an Anglo environment where most boys had no foreskins. During my teen years I entered a large Latino population where the locker-room style was 'with-foreskin' and, I was the different guy.

    Anyway guys. Please. If you support males being uncut, please do several things. Spend the bucks to have your sons receive the entire series of HPV vaccinations. Teach them basic penis hygiene and occasionally review it with them. Then, extract an absolute pledge that they will adopt a reliable safe-sex protocol for all their relationships until they decide to father children.

    Circumcision is minor surgery with some deprivation of sensation. Frozen cone biopsies are no fun for women. Hysterectomy is major surgery that alters the course of a family's life.
  • DeepDeep
    Posts: 78
    I'm sorry Newbie but you are horribly uninformed. There is no medical evidence that foreskin and unmutilated penises cause infections or disease. To suggest that natural intact males cause cancer in women is vile and repugnant. I'm going to stop now..
  • rainstomp
    Posts: 51
    I educated myself on circumcision and foreskin restoration about a year ago and have used O-rings off and on. Just one day of keeping covered makes a short-term difference in my sensitivity, so I can imagine and look forward to what long-term coverage can do! Sometimes, when I'm wearing tight briefs, I end up being fully retracted. This thread has been a good reminder for me to keep plugging away at it! It's been a few months since I wore the rings.
  • Jupiter
    Posts: 14
    I think having a foreskin, makes it so a man can kind of know what sex is like for a woman. It's almost like you have a self-contained vagina, within the penis. The wall of the vagina would be the stationary erectile tissue and the skin is corresponds to the penis. Strange huh?

    Unfortunately I was circumcised. I hate it for so many reasons. We need to rid the planet of this kind of barbarism. No exceptions for the religious.
  • Jupiter
    Posts: 14
    Deep said:

    I'm sorry Newbie but you are horribly uninformed. There is no medical evidence that foreskin and unmutilated penises cause infections or disease. To suggest that natural intact males cause cancer in women is vile and repugnant. I'm going to stop now..



    Even if it did, or even if circumcision did reduce AIDS transmission, as is claimed, it's not up to anyone but the adult man to decide if it is done. It's simply a human rights issue. If you claim that circumcision promotes certain health factors as mentioned, then you must also claim that we should pursue female genital mutilation in various forms to see if that has any positive impacts on health. We've been conducting the experiment on males for decades, why not try it out on females?
  • Badger said:


    There are advantages and disadvantages of both, and one should weigh these things carefully. Having a son circumcised in infancy, especially if you are circumcised, is the best time, especially if done at the Jewish timeframe of approximately 8 days after birth. At that time, there is a burst of endorphins and such to numb any pain, and there is a spike in antibiotics in the mother's milk and antibodies in the baby to help ward off infection.



    You say "one should weigh these things carefully" and then "having a son circumcised in infancy is the best time". You're contradicting yourself. The one who should be weighing these things carefully is the son, and he can't do it when he's an infant.
  • newbie2009newbie2009
    Posts: 267
    Jupiter said:

    ....

    .... even if circumcision did reduce AIDS transmission, as is claimed, ...



    Although AIDS is a concern, the HIV odds aren't much different between being circ'd or not. (IIRC, HIV incidence, adjusted and at the 95% confidence level, is only about 1.2x for uncirced versus circ'd.) The greater difference has to do with HPV. (studies have it between 2.56x and 4.2x for uncirced over circed.) Different critter! And results are not as treatable as is AIDS.

    If anyone wants the links to the peer reviewed papers, PM me. It's a bit lengthy for here.

    The issue isn't so much whether to cut or not to cut. Either way, a Gardisil vaccination will be important for the next generation or so. It's just more important for the guy who's going to carry a foreskin. And also important for anyone who's anal receptive. Perhaps what killed Farah Fawcett.

    That said though, there are other paths for the virus than just anal receptivity.

    The valuable point made in this thread is that we make many well thought-out decisions for our sons and daughters. We set the course for their education before they know what school is, for their sports skill set, musical skills & dental care. By age 6 much of their value system is established and they have little choice in the matter. I think few parents take these matters lightly. The kid may later resent having spent so much time in Little League or Pop Warner and blame his parents for not taking him/her elsewhere. Tough...that was the hand that was dealt.
  • Jupiter
    Posts: 14

    Jupiter said:

    ....

    .... even if circumcision did reduce AIDS transmission, as is claimed, ...



    Although AIDS is a concern, the HIV odds aren't much different between being circ'd or not. (IIRC, HIV incidence, adjusted and at the 95% confidence level, is only about 1.2x for uncirced versus circ'd.) The greater difference has to do with HPV. (studies have it between 2.56x and 4.2x for uncirced over circed.) Different critter! And results are not as treatable as is AIDS.

    If anyone wants the links to the peer reviewed papers, PM me. It's a bit lengthy for here.

    The issue isn't so much whether to cut or not to cut. Either way, a Gardisil vaccination will be important for the next generation or so. It's just more important for the guy who's going to carry a foreskin. And also important for anyone who's anal receptive. Perhaps what killed Farah Fawcett.

    That said though, there are other paths for the virus than just anal receptivity.

    The valuable point made in this thread is that we make many well thought-out decisions for our sons and daughters. We set the course for their education before they know what school is, for their sports skill set, musical skills & dental care. By age 6 much of their value system is established and they have little choice in the matter. I think few parents take these matters lightly. The kid may later resent having spent so much time in Little League or Pop Warner and blame his parents for not taking him/her elsewhere. Tough...that was the hand that was dealt.


    Circumcision can't be a well thought out decision. It would be like saying it's a well thought out thing to rape your daughter, or mutilate HER genitalia. You can't compare it to little league. It is inherently not a well thought out act.
  • DeepDeep
    Posts: 78
    Genital mutilation is not comparable to what school you send your son to, or what sports or instruments you make them play, or even dentist visits. It is irreparable damage to a vital organ. The original point of this thread is about restoring some of what is stolen from boys.

    Your right though, your son will resent you for having half his penis cut off.
  • mobilesub
    Posts: 77
    As one with is circumcised and who made the choice to circumcise my son, I'll be in the solid minority with my opinions on this topic. I'm OK with that. Feel free to call me a religious nutjob and describe a holy covenent with God as mutilation. That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

    When it comes to the facts... I think those who claim to have command of them in this thread haven't done their research. It does no one any good to growl "you're uninformed" or "that is wrong" without citing what is correct information. This is how speculation becomes accepted knowledge and no one is better off with incorrect or simply contradicted information.

    The 'barbarians' in South Africa are attempting to reduce their risk in an AIDS rich environment by encouraging adult male circumcision because the outcome is clear. It does reduce (but does not eliminate) the incidents in men who have unprotected sex with someone who has HIV.

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090720/ZNYT04/907203003?Title=South-Africa-Is-Seen-to-Lag-in-H-I-V-Fight

    WHO HIV Circumcision Brochure
    http://data.unaids.org/pub/Manual/2007/070613_humanrightsethicallegalguidance_en.pdf

    There are benefits to circumcision which go beyond partial protection from HIV AIDS which may include protecting women from HPV (as already discussed) which is the virus that causes cervical cancer.
    http://men.webmd.com/news/20090325/circumcision-cuts-stds

    Other benefits may include lower incidents of male UTI (already low), penile cancer (also infrequent), lower risk of genital warts, herpes and genital ulcers.

    Are the health benefits significant enough to recommend reversing the trend to not circumcise (currently at 70% and dropping)? The data is inconclusive at the moment and the American Academy of Pediatrics is examining the available data to see if there is a case to be made.

    I’m not aware of any doctor outside of the third world that would “recommend” that a baby boy be circumcised for anything but extraordinary medical reasons. For those looking for the definitive resource on the topic, the website http://www.nocirc.org is among the top sources educating those who are looking for information on why NOT to circumcise.

    You may look at http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/ which has the same goal. Neither organization disagrees with the research and confirms the benefits of adult circumcision in preventing disease but scathingly attacks neonatal circumcision for any reason.
  • Jupiter
    Posts: 14
    mobilesub said:

    As one with is circumcised and who made the choice to circumcise my son, I'll be in the solid minority with my opinions on this topic. I'm OK with that. Feel free to call me a religious nutjob and describe a holy covenent with God as mutilation. That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

    When it comes to the facts... I think those who claim to have command of them in this thread haven't done their research. It does no one any good to growl "you're uninformed" or "that is wrong" without citing what is correct information. This is how speculation becomes accepted knowledge and no one is better off with incorrect or simply contradicted information.

    The 'barbarians' in South Africa are attempting to reduce their risk in an AIDS rich environment by encouraging adult male circumcision because the outcome is clear. It does reduce (but does not eliminate) the incidents in men who have unprotected sex with someone who has HIV.

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090720/ZNYT04/907203003?Title=South-Africa-Is-Seen-to-Lag-in-H-I-V-Fight

    WHO HIV Circumcision Brochure
    http://data.unaids.org/pub/Manual/2007/070613_humanrightsethicallegalguidance_en.pdf

    There are benefits to circumcision which go beyond partial protection from HIV AIDS which may include protecting women from HPV (as already discussed) which is the virus that causes cervical cancer.
    http://men.webmd.com/news/20090325/circumcision-cuts-stds

    Other benefits may include lower incidents of male UTI (already low), penile cancer (also infrequent), lower risk of genital warts, herpes and genital ulcers.

    Are the health benefits significant enough to recommend reversing the trend to not circumcise (currently at 70% and dropping)? The data is inconclusive at the moment and the American Academy of Pediatrics is examining the available data to see if there is a case to be made.

    I’m not aware of any doctor outside of the third world that would “recommend” that a baby boy be circumcised for anything but extraordinary medical reasons. For those looking for the definitive resource on the topic, the website http://www.nocirc.org is among the top sources educating those who are looking for information on why NOT to circumcise.

    You may look at http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/ which has the same goal. Neither organization disagrees with the research and confirms the benefits of adult circumcision in preventing disease but scathingly attacks neonatal circumcision for any reason.



    So let's start experimenting on women to see what benefits we can reap that way. It's identical in principle. Would you also support mutilating the genitalia of women in an ongoing experiment? If you think this would be wrong then you must logically conclude that the same is wrong if we do it to men.
  • DeepDeep
    Posts: 78
    Let's hypothetically say we agree on having everyone circumcised, based on possible health benefits. Everyone on this forum would be well aware of the prostate organ. I'm quite likely to have prostate problems as I get older. The prostate provides pleasure but is quite useless once I've spawned offspring and I pass a certain age, should I not have it removed just in case I get an enlarged prostate or cancer? What about my gallbladder in case of stones? Appendix, tonsils etc. These latter organs will be removed shortly after being born, to make it easier and remove the burden of choice you see. Free reign on little girls too. No need for clitoris's. And we'll need to hack off parts of the labia too.

    I submit that genital mutilation is just sexual repression being practiced due to outdated ideas.

    I'll leave with part of the hippocratic or hypocratic oath as the case is here. 'I will keep them from harm and injustice'.
  • artformartform
    Posts: 1,482
    Well All.

    This is clearly a profoundly engaging topic for many, on both sides of the debate. Thanks to all who have added to the scientific literature available.

    Deep, your most recent post above and its hypothetical, antithetical case for prophylactic prostate removal is a clarion call, IMHO. The science is beginning to show a positive prostate health benefit to prostate massage on the order of 20% less chance of prostate cancer for those massaging.

    If this proves widely replicable, then active positive attention to the prostate is called for, perhaps by having it included widely in good health practices, like flossing your teeth. Perhaps when all the evidence is in, HIH Pro-State models (Aneros) should be introduced and given to every pubescent boy through the public schools.

    This, inevitably then tied to the Aneros/orgasmic MMO plus benefits (and I would suggest their demonstrable mental health benefits!) would/could be a medical/social revolution in how we all (most) view men's health and sexuality. Time and science will tell...

    all the best health and healthy sons all

    artform
  • Edit
    Posts: 0
    i was reading the thread on foreskin restoration, and, as a 'restorer' now starting my 8th year, i wanted to add a favorite term used among restorers for a penis of an unchanged state since birth...many restorers, including myself, like the term , 'intact'.......as in not messed with...i thank artic for posting his original post and for all the men out there who are taking the long process toward becoming a whole man again...as for my results, they are very slow, but what results i do have, im very happy with...'glide' with my wife is now a wonderful pleasure we did not share before, and even though i have no consistent coverage of the glans yet, i do have plenty of new skin which will allow natural retaining over the glans with the aid of a very inexpensive device...on closing, i would ask any men on this site who know of any unborn boys due soon...'please educate the parents, give them links 'online' that artic has provided...allow them to make an educated choice, and at least, '''allow your future son to make HIS own choice as an adult'''......chuck
  • I would like to second Fuzzy's name for the uncircumcised penis:
    Natural (au naturale)
    If nothing else comes out of this, hopefully dads will stand up for their sons and grandsons when this topic raises its ugly head. At my age, being single, restoration is not seen as an advantage. For others, that is not the case.

    20,000 nerve endings garnered my attention. My former sister-in-law, who is more than a bit whacky, brought her grandson in with her daughter because he was having bleeding problems after circumcision. The physician said "No problem; I'll just add another stitch. No need for an anaesthetic; he won't feel a thing." She stopped him dead in his tracks. She said to let her put a stitch in his penis and tell her he doesn't feel a thing! He used the anaesthetic.

    To those who may have hangups regarding a "Natural" penis, DON'T! Walk proud and thank your parents for the gift.

    I'll get off my soapbox now.

    To use "elective surgery" in this day and time to mutilate a child is unforgivable.
  • tokertoker
    Posts: 128
    in the uk boys only get circumcised if there is an underlying medical condition like tightening of the foreskin virtually no one gets it done for messed up idea of hygene etc and there are not a lot of jewish guys around the uk outside london but on american tv and here on your poll it seems to be the opposite why
    :wink: